This is my idea of perfect feminine facial proportions

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This cutie was once my idea of perfect... Sadly she rejected me and I'm not sure anymore.

Surprisingly, no mention of Grace Kelly.

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^^ This ^^

Every time I think I have a definite image of what would be perfect ideal female beauty I'll see some chick who completely changes my opinion.

Sometimes I'll see them in public or here for example, like this thread.

I'd have to say I'm partial to the Jessica Alba type look. Just my opinion of course.

But the question is, could you visualize an ideal not of your own concept of beauty or attractiveness, but instead of the pure essence of what femininity is. Meaning for instance, I am attracted to darker skinned very curvy chicks, picture Brazilians or Colombians, those make my blood boil. But when I think of an ideal concept of femininity I don't think about these type of women, whom I see more of a sexually objectifiable kind, but I see the pure essence of ideal femininity as something almost drawn from a higher sphere of existing, it maybe doesn't even exist, but theoretically it'd be sort of a template for what a more refined, call it "heavenly" design, or its vestiges at least, of an ideal of ladylike traits would be.

It's hard to detach the subjective from this visualization, but that is the point I was seeking for, even if I failed miserably with my initial attempt.

Ok, I see what you're saying.

It is definitely difficult to separate personal preference from from a purely subjective view of beauty. Is it even possible? Maybe...

You would need to lay the foundation of what the required elements for "heavenly" perfection would be. Although, this would seem to be too cold and mathematical. Like using correct ratios and dimensions for facial features, or applying sacred geometry to the face and body.

I feel that I am way over-thinking this... LOL.

But you see, I think it is actually impossible to be able to arrive to the actual goal of putting into paper an actual absolute ideal of femininity, but at least one should strive to be able to separate one's own subjective ideal of beauty from one's own subjective ideal of perfect femininity. The problem is that most people are brutes and can't even process these concepts. They just read the title thread and interpret, post women that you think are beautiful.

Whatever blows your skirt up.

my ideal woman :

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A woman after 35 is "expired goods"? Says who? Some random GLP tard? I can't tell you how many of my late 30s divorced friends have gone onto find great love AFTER age 35. Men like you who spout such chauvinistic nonsense clearly are very bitter towards women, perhaps because women just don't give them the time of day. Does this describe you? Not like you would admit it or anything. As for age of "usefulness", I don't know ANY women who would want to procreate with an older man unless they were really rich. Even then, sperms are far more likely to be of low quality, and possible carrying genetic problems. Women can have babies well into their 40s, and commonly do these days.

Women certainly have more to offer the world than "eye candy". I'm sorry you feel women are merely sex objects who have an "expiration date", but I'm positive you are in a very small and dysfunctional minority who feel that way, and as such a person, your "uselfulness" to the world is NIL, and your burden on it is incalculable. You should just do us all a favor and kill yourself, if you aren't already well on your way to that anyway. Guys like you typically don't have lives, meaningful relationships, meaningful careers, or anything to enhance the lives of anyone. You are pathetic and a waste of oxygen. Meanwhile, women over 35 are still loved, desired and valued by men. Get out once in awhile and observe the real world.

Still the Most beautiful woman I ever saw