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Goodbye to Animal Ownership, Goodbye to Animals? Love Won’t Allow It

 
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Goodbye to Animal Ownership, Goodbye to Animals? Love Won’t Allow It
As astounding as it may seem, laws and regulations have been or are now being put into place to remove the right for Americans to own animals. This is being done under many pretexts, all of them bogus, all camouflaged as beneficial for either the animals or public.

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thanks for the pin
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Oh Good ! Wabbit season....



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The gov't can make all the laws they want. It does not mean we consent. Providing food for our families is the true definition of independence. If they try to take away too many freedoms, the state humane officers may find themselves dead on the farmers lane. People in the country talk and no one will let this go down. They may take out a couple farmers , but the backlash will overwhelm them.
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I posted this in a similar thread earlier...

From the link -

“This bill would provide, in addition and with specified exceptions, that it shall be a crime, punishable as specified, for any person to willfully sell or give away as part of a commercial transaction, a live animal on any street, highway, public right-of-way, parking lot, carnival, or boardwalk, or to display or offer for sale, or display or offer to give away as part of a commercial transaction, a live animal if the act of selling or giving away the live animal is to occur on any street, highway, public right-of-way, parking lot, carnival, or boardwalk. The bill would provide that a notice describing the charge and the penalty for a violation of this bill may be issued by a peace officer, animal control officer, or humane officer. By creating a new crime, this bill would impose a state-mandated local program.”


This sounds similar to what the USDA wants to impose on a federal level, where you will not be allowed to ship puppies without being a licensed, inspected kennel.

Thread: USDA's proposal to regulate ALL ANIMALS sold over the internet, including livestock! HUGE POWER GRAB!!!
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Also from the link:

HOARDING:

In Vermont, they have been considering house bill 371 on animal hoarding which defines an “Animal hoarder” means a person who: (A) possesses five or more animals …. ” This does not exclude livestock, so would, in an instant criminalize farmers raising animals. It also does not include harm to animals as the basis of determination. Simple ownership of a small number of animals is the crime.



How would breeders factor in? Unless someone only has two to have "a litter", usually a breeder intent on using specific lines are going to have at least a few animals to diversify their stock. HSUS garbage where they want to eliminate all breeding and animal ownership.
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Bump! Read that article and people are going to have to get involved in overturning those legislations.
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Bump! Read that article and people are going to have to get involved in overturning those legislations.
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I wish that would happen, but I don't have much faith...people didn't seem to care when USDA proposed similar stuff, right now it's still pending as far as I know but I haven't looked for an update recently. It will impact not only dog breeders but anyone who produces animals that are not outright eaten.
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As a rancher I try to stay pretty aware of the progress of Agenda 21, which is what this is, and I'm here to tell you it is moving at an astonishing pace...

Between Agenda 21, and Codex Alimantarius, they intend to take away ever single right we have...
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As a rancher I try to stay pretty aware of the progress of Agenda 21, which is what this is, and I'm here to tell you it is moving at an astonishing pace...

Between Agenda 21, and Codex Alimantarius, they intend to take away ever single right we have...
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You got that right, and all they have to do is say "But it's for the 'puppies and kittens'" or the "children" and people get all gooey and willing to push it through.
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So, PETA's long term plan of eliminating pets entirely is becoming the norm?

[link to www.peta.org]
but we believe that it would have been in the animals' best interests if the institution of "pet keeping"—i.e., breeding animals to be kept and regarded as "pets"—never existed.
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So, PETA's long term plan of eliminating pets entirely is becoming the norm?

[link to www.peta.org]
but we believe that it would have been in the animals' best interests if the institution of "pet keeping"—i.e., breeding animals to be kept and regarded as "pets"—never existed.
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Yep! It's been proposed on a federal level, but apparently (just like other Agenda 21 type garbage) they decided they'll try to implement the stuff locally as well.
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I posted this in a similar thread earlier...

From the link -

“This bill would provide, in addition and with specified exceptions, that it shall be a crime, punishable as specified, for any person to willfully sell or give away as part of a commercial transaction, a live animal on any street, highway, public right-of-way, parking lot, carnival, or boardwalk, or to display or offer for sale, or display or offer to give away as part of a commercial transaction, a live animal if the act of selling or giving away the live animal is to occur on any street, highway, public right-of-way, parking lot, carnival, or boardwalk. The bill would provide that a notice describing the charge and the penalty for a violation of this bill may be issued by a peace officer, animal control officer, or humane officer. By creating a new crime, this bill would impose a state-mandated local program.”


This sounds similar to what the USDA wants to impose on a federal level, where you will not be allowed to ship puppies without being a licensed, inspected kennel.

Thread: USDA's proposal to regulate ALL ANIMALS sold over the internet, including livestock! HUGE POWER GRAB!!!
 Quoting: Laura Bow

 Quoting: Laura Bow


I saw this link from your post. These things they're doing will have no effect on factory farms, just the family farmer or organic farmer. This is only more Agenda 21 tyranny, which also considers domestic pets 'unsustainable'.
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Guess they'll have to shut down all those factory farms then. Oh wait....
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Obvious

there idea is to control

and have all live in gov commie housing with their finger on all buttons ; for water ; electric
for all to live in zombie land

this is their commie utopia
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My dog goes, they will have the pleasure if assasinating me along with the removal of my dog.
That's the bottom line.
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I posted this in a similar thread earlier...

From the link -

“This bill would provide, in addition and with specified exceptions, that it shall be a crime, punishable as specified, for any person to willfully sell or give away as part of a commercial transaction, a live animal on any street, highway, public right-of-way, parking lot, carnival, or boardwalk, or to display or offer for sale, or display or offer to give away as part of a commercial transaction, a live animal if the act of selling or giving away the live animal is to occur on any street, highway, public right-of-way, parking lot, carnival, or boardwalk. The bill would provide that a notice describing the charge and the penalty for a violation of this bill may be issued by a peace officer, animal control officer, or humane officer. By creating a new crime, this bill would impose a state-mandated local program.”


This sounds similar to what the USDA wants to impose on a federal level, where you will not be allowed to ship puppies without being a licensed, inspected kennel.

Thread: USDA's proposal to regulate ALL ANIMALS sold over the internet, including livestock! HUGE POWER GRAB!!!
 Quoting: Laura Bow

 Quoting: Laura Bow


I saw this link from your post. These things they're doing will have no effect on factory farms, just the family farmer or organic farmer. This is only more Agenda 21 tyranny, which also considers domestic pets 'unsustainable'.
 Quoting: Ralph--a house dog


Exactly! It's going to put small, hobby breeders (and not just of doggies but ANY animal) like myself in a rather unsavory position of choosing to be inspected (if they want to ship, and most do, I have not so far but want the option to remain open) OR give up breeding. Whole lines or breeds could die out, which I guess is the goal.
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I don't even know what to say anymore. I supposed we'll have to build more prisons.

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Guess they'll have to shut down all those factory farms then. Oh wait....
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lol It'll push those that stay in it to BECOME factory, "inspected and approved" farms. yak
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FUCK THEM ALL
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They would rather wipe species out then see them as “slaves” to humans.

They would rather kill your pet then see it “suffer” happily in your home, as they call it a “fate worse than death


How crazy are they? I remember when the near extinct panda was born in a zoo in Europe, PETA sued to have it put down.

Not sure about you guys but I hope to be reincarnated as my cat in my next life.
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IF I WANT TO SELL AN ENGLISH BULL DOG WITH PAPERS I WILL
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They would rather wipe species out then see them as “slaves” to humans.

They would rather kill your pet then see it “suffer” happily in your home, as they call it a “fate worse than death


How crazy are they? I remember when the near extinct panda was born in a zoo in Europe, PETA sued to have it put down.

Not sure about you guys but I hope to be reincarnated as my cat in my next life.
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Funny you say that, I was just thinking how good my cat had it the other day...man, that's the life!
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[. Whole lines or breeds could die out, which I guess is the goal.
 Quoting: Laura Bow


First to go: The Pit Bull.

Followed by any other good home protection animal.
All hunting dogs, like beagles, and Walker hounds.
Then decorative breeds, like teacup poodles.

Imagine a world with no dogs. Except dingos.
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As a rancher I try to stay pretty aware of the progress of Agenda 21, which is what this is, and I'm here to tell you it is moving at an astonishing pace...

Between Agenda 21, and Codex Alimantarius, they intend to take away ever single right we have...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


You got that right, and all they have to do is say "But it's for the 'puppies and kittens'" or the "children" and people get all gooey and willing to push it through.
 Quoting: Laura Bow


Yep they use everyone's emotions against them. They know this is most peoples weakness. We all need to stay strong and help others to see what we can.

Last Edited by 422 on 12/20/2012 09:14 PM
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I did not see this mentioned in the article, but there are places that have implemented MANDATORY spay/neuter laws. Usually these dogs must be altered by the age of 4 months!!!

Here's PETA'S list:

[link to www.peta.org]
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My dog goes, they will have the pleasure if assasinating me along with the removal of my dog.
That's the bottom line.
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Trust me.....if you thing there stupid minds behind this...you are wrong.
You will keep your current dog
You might grandfather offspring from it..but with each step down the road....licensing..... state and local regulations.....other taxes.....will make you change your mind....on ownership of the pet.
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When you hand in a gun, you can keep a animal.

damned
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As astounding as it may seem, laws and regulations have been or are now being put into place to remove the right for Americans to own animals. This is being done under many pretexts, all of them bogus, all camouflaged as beneficial for either the animals or public.

[link to foodfreedomgroup.com]
 Quoting: ^TheWatchMan^


I agree to this to an extent, Did you know that when you give away free kittens? Guys pick them up to feed to their pirahnas or boa constrictors?

We have way, way, way, way, way too many dogs and cats. And too many that are mistreated, abandoned and left to become feral.
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As astounding as it may seem, laws and regulations have been or are now being put into place to remove the right for Americans to own animals. This is being done under many pretexts, all of them bogus, all camouflaged as beneficial for either the animals or public.

[link to foodfreedomgroup.com]
 Quoting: ^TheWatchMan^


I agree to this to an extent, Did you know that when you give away free kittens? Guys pick them up to feed to their pirahnas or boa constrictors?

We have way, way, way, way, way too many dogs and cats. And too many that are mistreated, abandoned and left to become feral.
 Quoting: ELNATHAN APOLLYON


I do see this also. There are many mistreated, abandoned, strays all over. BUT I believe that is just a stepping stone for them to get their foot in the door.
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As astounding as it may seem, laws and regulations have been or are now being put into place to remove the right for Americans to own animals. This is being done under many pretexts, all of them bogus, all camouflaged as beneficial for either the animals or public.

[link to foodfreedomgroup.com]
 Quoting: ^TheWatchMan^


I agree to this to an extent, Did you know that when you give away free kittens? Guys pick them up to feed to their pirahnas or boa constrictors?

We have way, way, way, way, way too many dogs and cats. And too many that are mistreated, abandoned and left to become feral.
 Quoting: ELNATHAN APOLLYON


I do see this also. There are many mistreated, abandoned, strays all over. BUT I believe that is just a stepping stone for them to get their foot in the door.
 Quoting: 422


Dogs and cats cannot be a free for all. Humane society admits they are way overwhelmed and underfunded and have to put the majority of their animals to sleep. Pet ownership should get some regulation. They deserve this.

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