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How Gays Homosexualized America by Brainwashing Americans

 
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Dr. Socarides recently passed away.

How America Went Gay

by Charles W. Socarides, M.D.

Charles W. Socarides, M.D., is clinical professor of psychiatry at Albert Einstein College of Medicine/Montefiore Medical Center in New York. He is president of the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality, and author of Homosexuality: A Freedom Too Far (Adam Margrave Books, Phoenix, Arizona).

For more than 20 years, I and a few of my colleagues in the field of psychoanalysis have felt like an embattled minority, because we have continued to insist, against today's conventional wisdom, that gays aren't born that way. We know that obligatory homosexuals are caught up in unconscious adaptations to early childhood abuse and neglect and that, with insight into their earliest beginnings, they can change. This "adaptation" I speak of is a polite term for men going through the motions of mating not with the opposite sex but with one another.

For most of this century, most of us in the helping professions considered this behavior aberrant. Not only was it "off the track"; the people caught up in it were suffering, which is why we called it a pathology. We had patients, early in their therapy, who would seek out one sex partner after another-total strangers-on a single night, then come limping into our offices the next day to tell us how they were hurting themselves. Since we were in the business of helping people learn how not to keep hurting themselves, many of us thought we were quietly doing God's work.

Now, in the opinion of those who make up the so-called cultural elite, our view is "out of date." The elite say we hurt people more than we help them, and that we belong in one of the century's dustbins. They have managed to sell this idea to a great many Americans, thereby making homosexuality fashionable and raising formerly aberrant behavior to the status of an "alternate lifestyle."

You see this view expressed in some places you would least expect. The Pope says same-sex sex is wrong, but a good many of his own priests in this country (some of whom are gay themselves) say the Pope is wrong. Indeed, in much of academe and in many secondary school classrooms gays are said to lead a new vanguard, the wave of the future in a world that will be more demographically secure when it has fewer "breeders" (which is what some gay activists call heterosexuals these days).

How did this change come about? Well, the revolution did not just happen. It has been orchestrated by a small band of very bright men and women-most of them gays and lesbians-in a cultural campaign that has been going on since a few intellectuals laid down the ideological underpinnings for the entire tie-dyed, try-anything-sexual Woodstock generation. In various ways, Theodore Reich, Alfred Kinsey, Fritz Perls, Norman O. Brown, Herbert Marcuse and Paul Goodman preached a new countercultural gospel: "If it feels good, do it."

It was all part of a plan, as one gay publication put it, "to make the whole world gay." I am not making this up. You can read an account of the campaign in Dennis Altman's The Homosexualization of America. In 1982 Altman, himself gay, reported with an air of elation that more and more Americans were thinking like gays and acting like gays. There were engaged, that is, "in numbers of short-lived sexual adventures either in place of or alongside long-term relationships." Altman cited the heterosexual equivalents of gay saunas and the emergence of the swinging singles scene as proofs that "promiscuity and 'impersonal sex' are determined more by social possibilities than by inherent differences between homosexuals and heterosexuals, or even between men and women."

Heady stuff. Gays said they could "reinvent human nature, reinvent themselves." To do this, these reinventors had to clear away one major obstacle. No, they didn't go after the nation's clergy. They targeted the members of a worldly priesthood, the psychiatric community, and neutralized them with a radical redefinition of homosexuality itself. In 1972 and 1973 they co-opted the leadership of the American Psychiatric Association and, through a series of political maneuvers, lies and outright flim-flams, they "cured" homosexuality overnight-by fiat. They got the A.P.A. to say that same-sex sex was "not a disorder." It was merely "a condition"-as neutral as lefthandedness.

This amounted to a full approval of homosexuality. Those of us who did not go along with the political redefinition were soon silenced at our own professional meetings. Our lectures were canceled inside academe and our research papers turned down in the learned journals. Worse things followed in the culture at large. Television and movie producers began to do stories promoting homosexuality as a legitimate lifestyle. A gay review board told Hollywood how it should deal or not deal with homosexuality. Mainstream publishers turned down books that objected to the gay revolution. Gays and lesbians influenced sex education in our nation's schools, and gay and lesbian libbers seized wide control of faculty committees in our nations' colleges. State legislatures nullified laws against sodomy.

If the print media paid any attention at all, they tended to hail the gay revolution, possibly because many of the reporters on gay issues were themselves gay and open advocates for the movement. And those reporters who were not gay seemed too intimidated by groupthink to expose what was going on in their own newsrooms.

And now, what happens to those of us who stand up and object? Gay activists have already anticipated that. They have created a kind of conventional wisdom: that we suffer from homophobia, a disease that has actually been invented by gays projecting their own fear on society. And we are bigots besides, because, they say, we fail to deal with gays compassionately. Gays are now no different than people born black or Hispanic or physically challenged. Since gays are born that way and have no choice about their sexual orientation, anyone who calls same-sex sex an aberration is now a bigot. Un-American, too. Astoundingly now, college freshmen come home for their first Thanksgiving to announce, "Hey, Mom! Hey, Dad! We've taken the high moral ground. We've joined the gay revolution."

My wife, Clare, who has an unerring aptitude for getting to the heart of things, said one day recently in passing, "I think everybody's being brainwashed." That gave me a start. I know "brainwashing" is a term that has been used and overused. But my wife's casual observation only reminded me of a brilliant tract I had read several years ago and then forgotten. It was called After the Ball: How America Will Conquer its Fear and Hatred of Gays in the 1990's, by Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen.

That book turned out to be the blueprint gay activists would use in their campaign to normalize the abnormal through a variety of brainwashing techniques once catalogued by Robert Jay Lifton in his seminal work, Thought Reform and the Psychology of Totalism: A Study of Brainwashing in China.

In their book Kirk and Madsen urged that gay activists adopt the very strategies that helped change the political face of the largest nation on earth. The authors knew the techniques had worked in China. All they needed was enough media-and enough money-to put them to work in the United States. And they did. These activists got the media and the money to radicalize America-by processes known as desensitization, jamming and conversion.

They would desensitize the public by selling the notion that gays were "just like everyone else." This would make the engine of prejudice run out of steam, i.e., lull straights into an attitude of indifference.

They would jam the public by shaming them into a kind of guilt at their own "bigotry." Kirk and Madsen wrote:


All normal persons feel shame when they perceive that they are not thinking, feeling, or acting like one of the pack....The trick is to get the bigot into the position of feeling a conflicting twinge of shame...when his homohatred surfaces. Thus, propagandistic advertisement can depict homophobic and homohating bigots as crude loudmouths....It can show them being criticized, hated, shunned. It can depict gays experiencing horrific suffering as the direct result of homohatred-suffering of which even most bigots would be ashamed to be the cause.
The best thing about this technique, according to Kirk and Madsen: The bigot did not even have to believe he was a loathsome creature:

Rather, our effect is achieved without reference to facts, logic, or proof. Just as the bigot became such, without any say in the matter, through repeated infralogical emotional conditioning, his bigotry can be alloyed in exactly the same way, whether he is conscious of the attack or not. In short, jamming succeeds insofar as it inserts even a slight frisson of doubt and shame into the previously unalloyed, self-righteous pleasure. The approach can be quite useful and effective-if our message can get the massive exposure upon which all else depends.
Finally-this was the process they called conversion-Kirk and Madsen predicted a mass public change of heart would follow, even among bigots, "if we can actually make them like us." They wrote, "Conversion aims at just this...conversion of the average American's emotions, mind, and will, through a planned psychological attack, in the form of propaganda fed to the nation via the media."
In the movie "Philadelphia" we see the shaming technique and the conversion process working at the highest media level. We saw Tom Hank's character suffering (because he was gay and had AIDS) at the hands of bigots in his Philadelphia law firm. Not only were we ashamed of the homophobic behavior of the villainous straight lawyers in the firm; we felt nothing but sympathy for the suffering Hanks. (Members of the Motion Picture Academy felt so much sympathy they gave Hanks an Oscar.) Our feelings helped fulfill Kirk and Madsen's strategy: "to make Americans hold us in warm regard, whether they like it or not."

Few dared speak out against "Philadelphia" as an example of the kind of propaganda Kirk and Madsen had called for. By then, four years after the publication of the Kirk-Madsen blueprint, the American public had already been programmed. Homosexuality was now simply "an alternate lifestyle." Best of all, because of the persuaders embedded in thousands of media messages, society's acceptance of homosexuality seemed one of those spontaneous, historic turnings in time-yes, a kind of conversion. Nobody quite knew how it happened, but the nation had changed. We had become more sophisticated, more loving toward all, even toward those "afflicted" with the malady-excuse me, condition.

By 1992 the President of the United States said it was time that people who were openly gay and lesbian should not be ousted from the nation's armed forces. In 1993 the nation's media celebrated a huge outpouring of gay pride in Washington, D.C. Television viewers chanted along with half a million marchers, "Two, four, six, eight! Being gay is really great." We felt good about ourselves. We were patriotic Americans. We had abolished one more form of discrimination, wiped out one of society's most enduring afflictions: homophobia. Best of all, we knew now that gay was good, gay was free.

Excuse me. Gay is not good. Gay is not decidedly free. How do I know this? For more than 40 years, I have been in solidarity with hundreds of homosexuals, my patients, and I have spent most of my professional life engaged in exercising a kind of "pastoral care" on their behalf. But I do not help them by telling them they are O.K. when they are not O.K. Nor do I endorse their "new claim to self-definition and self-respect." Tell me: Have we dumped the idea that a man's self-esteem comes from something inside himself (sometimes called character) and from having a good education, a good job and a good family-and replaced that notion with this, that he has an affinity to love (and have sex with) other men?

In point of fact, many of my patients had character; they had an education; they were respected ad men and actuaries and actors. But they were still in pain-for one reason and one reason alone. They were caught up in this mysterious compulsion to have sex with other men. They were not free. They were not happy. And they wanted to see if they could change.

Over the years, I found that those of my patients who really wanted to change could do so, by attaining the insight that comes with a good psychoanalysis. Others found other therapies that helped them get to the bottom of their compulsions, all of which involved high motivation and hard work. Difficult as their therapeutic trips were, hundreds and thousands of homosexuals changed their ways. Many of my own formerly homosexual patients-about a third of them-are married today and happily so, with children. One-third may not sound like a very good average. But it is just about the same success rate you will find at the best treatment centers for alcoholics, like Hazelden in Minnesota and the Betty Ford Clinic in California.

Another third of my patients remain homosexual but not part of the gay scene. Now, after therapy, they still have same-sex sex, but they have more control over their impulses because now they understand the roots of their need for same-sex sex. Some of these are even beginning to turn on to the opposite sex. I add this third to my own success rate-so that I can tell people in all honesty that my batting average is .667 out of more than a thousand "at bats."

Of course, I could bat .997 if I told all my patients in pain that their homosexuality was "a special call" and "a liberation." That would endear me to everyone, but it would not help them. It would be a lie-despite recent pieces of pseudo-science bolstering the fantasy that gays are "born that way." The media put its immediate blessing on this "research," but we were oversold. Now we are getting reports, even in such gay publications as The Journal of Homosexuality, that the gay-gene studies and the gay-brain studies do not stand up to critical analysis. (The author of one so-called "gay-gene theory" is under investigation by the National Institutes of Health for scientific fraud.)

I was not surprised to hear this. My long clinical experience and a sizable body of psychoanalysis research dating all the way back to Freud tell me that most men caught up in same-sex sex are reacting, at an unconscious level, to something amiss with their earliest upbringing- overcontrolling mothers and abdicating fathers. Through long observation I have also learned that the supposedly liberated homosexual is never really free. In his multiple, same-sex adventures, even the most effeminate gay was looking to incorporate the manhood of others, because he was in a compulsive, never-ending search for the masculinity that was never allowed to build and grow in early childhood.

When I tried to explain these dynamics to the writer who helped me put together a kind of popular catechism on homosexuality, I found he had a hard time understanding what this "incorporation" meant. He said, "Your patient would be more manly if he took in the penis of another man? Sounds a little dumb. Would I run faster if I ate the flesh of a deer?"

I told him, "You have to understand that we are talking about feelings that come from deep in the unconscious mind. They are very primitive. In fact, if you have ever read any Indian lore, you may remember that Indians would, in fact, eat the flesh of a deer in order to become faster afoot. To us, that is a very primitive idea. But it had a mythic significance for a young Iroquois brave. And Madison Avenue still makes use of such mythic meanings. The ad people sell us things based on the notion that we will become what we eat or drink or possess." The point I was making was this: We do not understand same-sex sex until we realize that the dynamics involved are unconscious.

This is one reason why psychoanalysis is the tool that gets us to the heart of everything. Once my patients have achieved an insight into these dynamics-and realized there is no moral fault involved in their longtime and mysterious need-they have moved rather quickly on the road to recovery. Their consequent gratitude to me is overwhelming. And why shouldn't it be? They were formerly caught up in compulsions they could not understand, compulsions they could not control. Now they are in charge of their own lives.

Their former promiscuity may have looked a lot like "liberation." But it was not true freedom. It was a kind of slavery. And it was not a lifestyle. With the onset of AIDS, as the playwright and gay militant Larry Kramer said in a 1993 interview, it turned out to be a death style. I have had some patients tell me, "Doctor, if I weren't in therapy, I'd be dead."

Testimonials from my recovered patients make me feel my work is worthwhile-despite regular demands from the gay rights community for my silence. What would they have me do? Pack my bags, find a new profession, lock up a lifetime of research and analysis, hide my truth under a bushel? It is not my psychoanalytic duty to tell people they are marvelous when they are out of control, much less ask disingenuous rhetorical questions like, "What kind of God would afflict people with an 'objective disorder' in the disposition of their hearts?"

Giving God the credit for their gayness is a persistent refrain in much gay literature today, and I am saddened to see people of evident good will become unwitting parties to the blasphemy. Gays ascribe their condition to God, but he should not have to take that rap, any more than he should be blamed for the existence of other man-made maladies-like war, for instance, which has proven to be very unhealthy for humans and for all other living things. God does not make war. Men do.

And, when homosexuality takes on all the aspects of a political movement, it, too, becomes a war, the kind of war in which the first casualty is truth, and the spoils turn out to be our own children. An exaggeration? Well, what are we to think when militant homosexuals seek to lower the age of consensual sexual intercourse between homosexual men and young boys to the age of 14 (as they did in Hawaii in 1993) or 16 (as they tried to do in England in 1994)? In the Washington March for Gay Pride in 1993, they chanted, "We're here. We're queer. And we're coming after your children."

What more do we need to know?

[link to www.leaderu.com]
[This article first appeared in America (November 18, 1995). Used by permission of the author.]
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you'ld have to have a brain before it could be washed.

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Wow, he sure has put a lot of energy into it. I wonder what his agenda is?
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The penguins are at war too...


"The Humboldt penguin is an endangered species. Today there are just 20,000 of these birds left, and most live along the Pacific coast of Chile and Peru. At the Bremerhaven zoo are 14 of them -- 10 males and four females -- as part of a European program to ensure protection of the species.

In theory, in a protected environment, the penguins should reproduce and multiply.

But the arithmetic of procreation occasionally runs into a twist: the 14 penguins formed seven pairs with the four females mating with four males and reproducing just once. The remaining six males formed three homosexual pairs, which in their fruitless attempts to produce offspring have attempted to incubate rocks that they have confused for eggs.

So Kuek decided to import four females, which were charged with attracting the males who had formed same-sex couples.

But the effort came too late. The Bremerhaven males ignored the female penguins from Sweden, and continued their homosexual behaviors. "

In the USA too

"Roy and Silo, two chinstrap penguins at the Central Park Zoo in Manhattan, are completely devoted to each other. For nearly six years now, they have been inseparable. They exhibit what in penguin parlance is called "ecstatic behavior": That is, they entwine their necks, they vocalize to each other, they have sex. Silo and Roy are, to anthropomorphize a bit, gay penguins.

When offered female companionship, they have adamantly refused it"

"ome same-sex birds do do it. So do beetles, sheep, fruit bats, dolphins, and orangutans. Zoologists are discovering that homosexual and bisexual activity is not unknown within the animal kingdom."

"Wild birds exhibit similar behavior. There are male ostriches that only court their own gender, and pairs of male flamingos that mate, build nests, and even raise foster chicks.

Filmmakers recently went in search of homosexual wild animals as part of a National Geographic Ultimate Explorer documentary about the female's role in the mating game. (The film, Girl Power, will be screened in the U.S this Saturday at 8 p.m. ET, 5 p.m PT on MSNBC TV.)

The team caught female Japanese macaques engaged in intimate acts which, if observed in humans, would be in the X-rated category. "
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" How Gays Homosexualized America by Brainwashing Americans"

... hmmmmm? What was it now, and that OB1 said in the very first Starwars... about those who are easy to lead? Hmmmm? what could it be, lol?

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Oh God! not another closet case thread!
Will you people just build that bridge and get over it!
The only problem we have here is hate...
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Threatened much? Jeeez...
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OP, I mean.
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It's only in the media. Most AMericans don't like it. Other countries are more open about it.
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Shit and assholes are such a turnoff except for the perverted few. They should go back to the closet where they belong.

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Virtually every study associating with animal homosexuality is a BLATANT LIE! It is designated to give the impression that Man is an animal and must be like every animal on Earth, therefore any animal can have same sex with fellow animal.

This is goes against the very basis of how God separated Man from Animal.

You are not an animal! You are all made in God's Image. You are a special Creature to God.

Don't debase yourself to the level of animals by siding with the homosexual agenda.
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that's a good article OP. i've never seen it put better. compulsion. ruin. death. there's a lot out there. this is one of the worst.
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that gays aren't born that way. We know that obligatory homosexuals are caught up in unconscious adaptations to early childhood abuse and neglect and that, with insight into their earliest beginnings, they can change.




Right on. Great article.
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GUESS WHAT ASSHOLES,

There's gay sex going on all over the animal kingdom. Gay gorillas, gay rats. Gay Birds. Right down to the microscopic level. Wow, you even got creatures that can FUCK THEMSELVES!

What are we going to do?
Or what so ever shall we do?????
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I'm still undecided on the nature vs nurture issue. Either way I have no problem with gays trying to gain more acceptance. I sure as hell didn't gain any insight from this self indulgent crap.
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Must be. His gaydar picked up on his own emasculation and confusion.

Op is a "fag"

No I'm not!

No You're not!!

Yes I am!!!! OOOOOOPS!!!!
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sORRY. I WOULDNT FUCK A GUY IN THE ASS NO MATTER WHAT....A NICE SOFT WOMAN THOUGH......NOW THATS ANOTHER STORY. DOES that MAKE ME GAY? iNFLUENCED? DOUBT IT.
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OP

Are you gay? I'm not. I guess the article was wrong. America has not been "homosexualized".
Don't judge me monkey.
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70902: that gays aren't born that way. We know that obligatory homosexuals are caught up in unconscious adaptations to early childhood abuse and neglect and that, with insight into their earliest beginnings, they can change<<

The problem is simply a lack of acknowledging one's own masculinity.

There is nothing shameful about being a masculine man. That is a concept gay men having a hard time reconciling with it. Everything they do to other men have nothing to do with real, God-affirming masculinity, but a false impression having to do with sexuality in associating with masculinity.

It is OKAY for men to have platonic relationships with men. There should be no pretense or feeling awkward in just being in a good company with a man or men. Just be respectful and not to assume too much about the other men in platonic relationships. No need to go to a Brokeback mountain.

I am simply not interesting in men sexually. I do not find them sexually attractive at all. I'm more interesting in men who have interesting things to share or discuss: politics, military, history, religion, collecting or sharing hobbies, playing or talking about sports, working out, and so on.
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Kreeper, you see? You are just reinforcing Dr. Socarides' reasoning that people like you are under false and blatant impression of assuming all men to be gay by suggesting that very question.

You are incapable of having a reasonable discussion except to resort to some juvenile-minded tact commonly well-known in the gay community.

I would never assume you to be gay or question you of that unless you demonstrate yourself to be gay on your own terms, Kreeper.
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What's wrong with gay sex? Well, I don't want ANYTHING going in my anus - that's an exit only.

But if a guy really wants to suck my cock? Have at it!

Trust me, a guy working you over feels just as good as a woman, and can even feel better, depending... the rest of it (i.e. homophobia) is all in your warped f'ing minds!
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I like your tube top and roller skates, OP...

Yeah, gays are born gay. Google Hypothalmus and homosexuality.

It's fun to be gay! Everyone endlessly speculating about what you do in bed...Idiots threatening to beat you up, social ostracision, yeah...so cool..The only choice is to accept your circumstance or live a lie. Period.

Fucking act like we live in the 21st century, ok? Why not concentrate on some real problems, and stop spamming the board with propaganda that has obvious roots in sexual panic.
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I know smart people: this isn't one of them. He also doesn't write like a professional. What are his credentials, really? Doesn't 'read' as a psychologist to me.

He collects and projects the actions of a limited study group, his psychological patients, who are de facto neurotic, and paints a broad stroke onto a larger demographic, all self-identified homophiles. Like saying, because your friend is neurotic, then all friends are.

He also alleges mass brainwashing. I would say he's a power tripper, or has a saviour complex.

He uses moral terms like 'good', which is a religious term; it implies 'bad'.
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oh, fuck off. It's so obviously genetic, and our only "agenda" is that we want to be left alone to live our lives as equals.
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How Gays Homosexualized America by Brainwashing Americans

and they've buggered our language too
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let me see if i understand this correctly.

some of you straight guys would f*ck a woman up the *ss, but you think it's disgusting to f*ck a man up the *ss.

what's the difference? an *sshole is an *sshole.

some of you straight guys would let a woman s*ck your d*ck, but you wouldn't let a man s*ck your d*ck.

what's the difference? a mouth is a mouth.

it's all in your mind.

scratching
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Had it occurred to you that some of the scientists and researchers who studied everything that have to do with gay and declared it as scientifically and biologically acceptable for men might be gays themselves?

Had it occurred to you that homosexual behaviors are manipulated and used to drive a wedge between men and women sexually so that more men have sex with men and more women have sex with women, reducing the prospect of having children?!

Had it occurred to you that it is all part of a hidden population reduction method encouraged by the Club of Rome members?

Sex is just a recreational method for people to enjoy but it is being usefully manipulated to push men toward same-sex sex by all sorts of psychological, emotional and mental means over the decades.

Lucifer have many, many tools to destroy God's children - the human race. Homosexuality is one of his many, many destructive tools.
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bullshit.

we are ATTRACTED SEXUALLY to a WOMAN's ASS

A WOMAN"S PUSSY.

A WOMAN"S MOUTH.

not you.

faggot.
Anonymous Coward
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02/08/2006 07:02 PM
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Re: How Gays Homosexualized America by Brainwashing Americans
personally i've never understood the excitement over what others do with these particular parts of their anatomy.

it provokes in me about the same level of interest, or say desire to register approval/disapproval, as how the question of the correct or "normal" way to shake hands in greeting.

what exactly is the big deal?
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02/08/2006 07:04 PM
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First, Dr. Socarides' own son Richard is/was gay and is/was active in the gay rights movement. (I cannot remember if Richard Socarides is still alive, so I have used both the present and past tense in referring to him.) Following Dr. Socarides' theory to its logical conclusion, we could assume that he abused and/or neglected his own son, leading to his homosexuality. If that were the case, then we could also logically assume that his work resulted, at least in part, from his own guilt and despair over his son's being what he himself seems most to detest. I actually do not know that he did abuse or neglect his son. I merely point this out to suggest the trap he lays for himself in his own argument.

Yes, there are many gay men and lesbians who lead lives clouded by guilt and despair, and often such guilt and despair can lead to behavior that can be deadly. There are also many heterosexual people who have these same problems, including, but not limited to, compulsive sexual behaviors. Dr. Socarides' work presupposes that the maladjustment of some homosexuals is caused by homosexualtiy itself, as opposed to other factors that also affect many heterosexuals. Some homosexuals, for instance, are maladujusted to their homosexuality because they are unable to accept it in light of family, religious, and cultural admonitions against it, just as some heterosexuals are unable to adjust to aspects of their lives in light of similar admonitions. Most, if not all, of the theories of Dr. Socarides and his cohorts have been debunked by sound scientific research based on objective data, although these cohorts refuse to accept the data because it does not conform to thier own suppositions. In fact, the data on the success of programs like Dr. Socarides', usually called reparative therapy, suggest that such programs have a very poor success rate.

As for 14571's insistance that all studies of homosexuality in the amimal kingdom are a lie, he offers no proof. He simply states that God created mankind above the animals and that mankind should not demean itself by engaging in animal behavior. Ironically, until studies of homosexuality in the animal kingdom became quite common, the anti-homosexual argument usually ran in the opposite direction: homosexuality was unnatural because it did not exist in the animal kingdom and that man, being an animal, should not give in to behaviors that are so unnatural that not even animals engage in them. It is quite telling that when those like 14571 can't sustain an argument, they attempt to turn it on its head. How unnatural!
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02/08/2006 07:05 PM
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Why must you rack your noggin
over this matter,when there are bigger things afoot?

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