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The garbling you often heard was encrypted walkies being used on that line. Basically, only walkies programmed to decrypt the message hear it normally. All others would hear the garbled message we heard. The sensitive info is in those encrypted messages.

Everyone and their grandma practically knows how to listen to scanner feeds over the web now. Criminals have been using scanners for intel and edge for decades. So of course certain cops involved in looking for shooters would be on the encrypted walkies.

If some audio genius can decrypt those, there will be a lot of heavy info in there. Perhaps the black-OP was using the line with encryptions.
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Yes...and the unencrypted scanner line was accidentally left open.

IMO, It was either an order or it was just him audibly commenting to himself. Either way, the unencrypted scanner mic caught it.
The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank."

The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects.

The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard.
The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass.
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Not buying it... Sounds totally different than all the other voices... Almost clearer even though its quieter... I think this has been doctored.., definitely some fuckery going on. Besides who talks like that? This isn't some 19th century novel, if you were in hostile black op mission, you would say it as fast as possible, for example "take Adam down" not as its been led to believe "take the life of Adam". Bullshit.
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What if accidentally turned off the encryption he was using at the end of his message. There is encryption right before that audio.

Encrypted walkies can be used regular or encrypted on a line. There are only so many channels. Plus, operatives would benefit from being encrypted on the line they also need to communicate on. That way they hear their opposition and are responding to each other on the same line, but encrypted.

It was probably cops who were using the encryption, but make no doubt about it....there was encrypted messages on that line.
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Not buying it... Sounds totally different than all the other voices... Almost clearer even though its quieter... I think this has been doctored.., definitely some fuckery going on. Besides who talks like that? This isn't some 19th century novel, if you were in hostile black op mission, you would say it as fast as possible, for example "take Adam down" not as its been led to believe "take the life of Adam". Bullshit.
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He said "a little late for that".

It is the same voice as the responder who requests men to secure the roof at 5:49.

He is responding to the announcement at 5:02 that they are conducting an interior search at this time.

He is probably the type who would have went in right away, and hates the new candy ass protocols where the first responders gather outside and wait until everyone inside is dead, and then go in.
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Not buying it... Sounds totally different than all the other voices... Almost clearer even though its quieter... I think this has been doctored.., definitely some fuckery going on. Besides who talks like that? This isn't some 19th century novel, if you were in hostile black op mission, you would say it as fast as possible, for example "take Adam down" not as its been led to believe "take the life of Adam". Bullshit.
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Well, maybe you should find the original police scanner recordings...
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Listening to a police scanner in 5.1 surround sound...means nothing. You can try and clean up the audio a bit through software, but that's it. And if you knew anything at all of what you're talking about, you'd know that headphones are the best option for something like this, not speakers.

PLUS...if someone actually took the time to either clear it up with software and/or ATTEMPT to listen to it through 5.1 surround...that means it obviously wasn't conclusive enough for them to start with, which means..it is not clear :)

You hear it because you want to hear it.
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First I have been listening to it using a headset this whole time (which I have stated many times). I was just answering for the other guy that used 5.1 (which I feel only brought up 5.1 to including as much detail as he could to his post... it has nothing to do with him not being able to hear it without 5.1... you are almost suggesting he has all his 5.1 shit disconnected for some reason, listens to the clip, doesn't hear anything, for some reason plugs all his shit back in to make it 5.1 surround and then all of a sudden hears its... that's a total assumption on your part since he didn't say ANY of that, you just seemed to make it up for him.). Can't it just be he has a 5.1 system listened to the clip and heard the words clear as his actual words suggest (no audio enhancement programs involved, no having to increase quality to 5.1).

And no I don't hear it because I want to, I hear it cuz its clear as a bell what is said. I played the video for my sister which knows next to nothing about anything sandy hook related... without telling her context or any background info she clearly hear "End the life or Adam", after listening to it 1 more time she said the "or" actually sounded more like a "of". END THE LIFE OF ADAM.
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in the press conference with dr carver the full version a journalist asks him about accuracy and when he says he doesnt know its very difficult to tell
the journalists jokes even in the movies
and there are laughs heard
during this question carver was about to corpse you can see his face and lip quivering to remain serious and not burst out laughing
that is why the reporter says
yes-even in the movies.
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My gosh, learn grammar, use it please.
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"A little late for that" sounds not even close to "end the life of Adam".

Also, why would he say "in the life of Adam"? That makes even less sense then if he said "end the life of Adam"

Even if he was talking about "just another day in the life of Adam" as an officer named Adam. How often does "officer Adam" run into the most horrific school murder in US history. Yep, just another day in life of suburban Connecticut cop, Adam.

There very well is a logical explanation to this, but don't muddy the waters with even less logical interpretations.
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Listening to a police scanner in 5.1 surround sound...means nothing. You can try and clean up the audio a bit through software, but that's it. And if you knew anything at all of what you're talking about, you'd know that headphones are the best option for something like this, not speakers.

PLUS...if someone actually took the time to either clear it up with software and/or ATTEMPT to listen to it through 5.1 surround...that means it obviously wasn't conclusive enough for them to start with, which means..it is not clear :)

You hear it because you want to hear it.
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First I have been listening to it using a headset this whole time (which I have stated many times). I was just answering for the other guy that used 5.1 (which I feel only brought up 5.1 to including as much detail as he could to his post... it has nothing to do with him not being able to hear it without 5.1... you are almost suggesting he has all his 5.1 shit disconnected for some reason, listens to the clip, doesn't hear anything, for some reason plugs all his shit back in to make it 5.1 surround and then all of a sudden hears its... that's a total assumption on your part since he didn't say ANY of that, you just seemed to make it up for him.). Can't it just be he has a 5.1 system listened to the clip and heard the words clear as his actual words suggest (no audio enhancement programs involved, no having to increase quality to 5.1).

And no I don't hear it because I want to, I hear it cuz its clear as a bell what is said. I played the video for my sister which knows next to nothing about anything sandy hook related... without telling her context or any background info she clearly hear "End the life or Adam", after listening to it 1 more time she said the "or" actually sounded more like a "of". END THE LIFE OF ADAM.
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Well, honestly, the sister bit, c'mon huh, I can say that kinda stuff too.

Look, there are those who think that's what is said, and there are those who think otherwise. I think the one thing it proves is that the audio is clearly inconclusive.

We'll just have to disagree that's all.

No hard feelings
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Because accidents happen and why they get caught some of time. Let me ask you a hypothetical questions such as do governments world wide ever carry out assassination?

Have they ever got caught in the plot? YEP!
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Governments typically don't carry out assassinations on 6 and 7 year old first graders in their classrooms.
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They would if the wanted guns banned! Its also like the war on drugs when they have in fact been involved with it from day one. They do whats necessary to fit their agenda such as psychological warfare.

With the media they can make anyone look like the enemy.


Go back and look on google when fox news put a pig nose on a guy to attack him for a purpose.
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They're not trying to "ban guns." They might try and make some changes regarding future sales of some assault rifles (which I do not agree with), but they're not banning guns.

The topic is hot now, but it will cool off eventually. But either way they're not coming for your guns.

The government did not kill 20 first graders just so they could push some gun policy.
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no, they pretended to kill 20 first graders just so they can push a gun policy.

you don't get it, and that's ok. it is a LOT to wrap your head around. not a comfy scenario.
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"A little late for that" sounds not even close to "end the life of Adam".

Also, why would he say "in the life of Adam"? That makes even less sense then if he said "end the life of Adam"

Even if he was talking about "just another day in the life of Adam" as an officer named Adam. How often does "officer Adam" run into the most horrific school murder in US history. Yep, just another day in life of suburban Connecticut cop, Adam.

There very well is a logical explanation to this, but don't muddy the waters with even less logical interpretations.
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Did you even listen to it?

At first, even when told it was "end the life of Adam", I did not hear it. Exactly that is. It was close to that. But I wasn't hearing it, and I have excellent hearing.

I got out my headphones, cranked it up, and heard "little late for that" Mumbled, but fairly distinct.

Definitely NOT "end the life of Adam".

Use your brain. If they were going to be so overt and stupid to use such an idiotic signal to end Adam's life, wouldn't he just have said it LOUD and CLEAR?

Please...
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Governments typically don't carry out assassinations on 6 and 7 year old first graders in their classrooms.
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They would if the wanted guns banned! Its also like the war on drugs when they have in fact been involved with it from day one. They do whats necessary to fit their agenda such as psychological warfare.

With the media they can make anyone look like the enemy.


Go back and look on google when fox news put a pig nose on a guy to attack him for a purpose.
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They're not trying to "ban guns." They might try and make some changes regarding future sales of some assault rifles (which I do not agree with), but they're not banning guns.

The topic is hot now, but it will cool off eventually. But either way they're not coming for your guns.

The government did not kill 20 first graders just so they could push some gun policy.
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no, they pretended to kill 20 first graders just so they can push a gun policy.

you don't get it, and that's ok. it is a LOT to wrap your head around. not a comfy scenario.
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No, sadly they possibly had a hit squad murder 20 first graders, three teachers and two patsies as a mean to their wicked ends.

Your theory makes them sound just like liars, rather than homicidal liars.

You are thinking they have a conscious or valued those children's lives.

The minds of those without conscious nor empathy is a darkness hard to fathom for us normal folk.
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Governments typically don't carry out assassinations on 6 and 7 year old first graders in their classrooms.
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They would if the wanted guns banned! Its also like the war on drugs when they have in fact been involved with it from day one. They do whats necessary to fit their agenda such as psychological warfare.

With the media they can make anyone look like the enemy.


Go back and look on google when fox news put a pig nose on a guy to attack him for a purpose.
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They're not trying to "ban guns." They might try and make some changes regarding future sales of some assault rifles (which I do not agree with), but they're not banning guns.

The topic is hot now, but it will cool off eventually. But either way they're not coming for your guns.

The government did not kill 20 first graders just so they could push some gun policy.
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no, they pretended to kill 20 first graders just so they can push a gun policy.

you don't get it, and that's ok. it is a LOT to wrap your head around. not a comfy scenario.
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I think I get the scenario. In fact yours is one of several scenarios floating around that suggests staged psy ops etc. I just don't go along with them in this case. At all.
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well, i saw the photo with obama of the three parker children with another child that was listed as victims.

i don't think one child was harmed in the entire charade.

makes it easier to lie about it, doesn't it?
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"A little late for that" sounds not even close to "end the life of Adam".

Also, why would he say "in the life of Adam"? That makes even less sense then if he said "end the life of Adam"

Even if he was talking about "just another day in the life of Adam" as an officer named Adam. How often does "officer Adam" run into the most horrific school murder in US history. Yep, just another day in life of suburban Connecticut cop, Adam.

There very well is a logical explanation to this, but don't muddy the waters with even less logical interpretations.
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Did you even listen to it?

At first, even when told it was "end the life of Adam", I did not hear it. Exactly that is. It was close to that. But I wasn't hearing it, and I have excellent hearing.

I got out my headphones, cranked it up, and heard "little late for that" Mumbled, but fairly distinct.

Definitely NOT "end the life of Adam".

Use your brain. If they were going to be so overt and stupid to use such an idiotic signal to end Adam's life, wouldn't he just have said it LOUD and CLEAR?

Please...
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Classic shill attack methods. Attempt to make people feel stupid, because no one wants to be stupid. That programming trick was learned back when Murray was programming the Unabomber. Now it is used on the masses as well.

You must be the new guy. Your moves are so easy to see coming.
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well, i saw the photo of the three parker children with another child that was listed as victims.

i don't think one child was harmed in the entire charade.

makes it easier to lie about it, doesn't it?
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Harder...

Your theory means all of the police officers and emts would have to have been in on it. Killing the kids and the witnesses (the three teachers) makes it easier to hide actually.

Maybe a spook or two had a kid in that class and is pretending they actually let them go to school that day, but kids were murdered.

Dark people we are dealing with. That or a kid gone of the rails. Either way, little kids were murdered.
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well, i saw the photo with obama of the three parker children with another child that was listed as victims.

i don't think one child was harmed in the entire charade.

makes it easier to lie about it, doesn't it?
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You mean this photo?

[link to blog.ctnews.com]
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Nobody would say "Take the life of Adam"

That's not how people talk.

Silly thread.

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claim the life provided


tame the life without it

aim for life regarded


for the life of god


her life without it.
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This thread plays into the psy-op. leave the guns alone, but also make some slight rule changes to avoid this.

Otherwise, the answer is to better people to each other. To value family more.

You do that and you defeat any psy-op.

Conditioning is only successful if the desired response is obtained. Do not give these possible dark agents the desired response from this.

I know that sound like inaction and letting them get away, but if we stop giving the desired responses, the justice you seek will just sort of organically appear.

Thoughts become things, so don't think fear, hate and revenge. Otherwise you attract those things.

Our enemies fear, hate and feel they need to punish us. They do this by playing with our thoughts.

If we think things like empathy, pity, love and friendship. The dark ones will start to finally have their evil thoughts attract what they fear, hate and want to punish. A world that has regained it love and understanding for its fellow man.
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Not buying it... Sounds totally different than all the other voices... Almost clearer even though its quieter... I think this has been doctored.., definitely some fuckery going on. Besides who talks like that? This isn't some 19th century novel, if you were in hostile black op mission, you would say it as fast as possible, for example "take Adam down" not as its been led to believe "take the life of Adam". Bullshit.
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HAHAHA, THIS! "Kill Adam" would also have sufficed.
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So, how come when they thought it was Ryan Lanza, they were reporting a 20 year old? If he used his brother's ID, it would said he was twenty four, not twenty.
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+1

I also read that it was 20 year old Ryan, and that he had a child who went to the same school.

I even remember thinking to myself, "How old was this guy when he had a kid, 14?"
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That theory is full of holes because the theorizer did not do his homework. He didn't even check the schematic of the building obviously. No offense, but you watched too many movies, and did not think this through, but kudos for at least trying. You have alot of decent ideas actually but way to many holes.

- The new security protocol was that people only get buzzed in after 9:30. Look it up.

- After 9:30 No other main doors in the building could open without alerting the office secretary who monitors the security panel.

- All the action occurred between 15-75 feet MAX of the front entrance. The office, the first grade classrooms, the gym, all right there. They would never risk letting someone in the back door wearing combat clothing and a mask, just to walk all the way through the school to do shooting at the front of the school.

For example, you wrote "Meanwhile operative 2 (the one that forces his way through the front door) makes his way through the school to meet up with the other operative"

If you had checked the schematic, you would have realized they would have been standing within about 25 feet of each other once the entrance was breached.

The on duty police officers is a huge stretch. Not saying Local cops could'nt be bought off for a few million a piece, but wow, it is just too risky. They make LOTS of money in a town like that.

Adam definitely had help, if he did any shooting at all.

After all, the officer on scene in the interior states that they found multiple weapons, LONG RIFLES (PLURAL) and a shotgun.

NO way in hell Adam Lanza carried An AR-15, an Enfield Rifle, a shotgun, and 2 9mm pistols, including ammo.

More research to be done but this isn't over.
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There were replies here made by AC 28724521 to my points above. I reproduced them below with my new responses.
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I will respond to your Answers (A) to my original responses that you marked as (Q). My new responses will be marked as (Q2)

Q: The new security protocol was that people only get buzzed in after 9:30. Look it up.

A: All the more easy for the lookout/cleaner to get into the building before the incident. And the official story isn't he was buzzed in, it was that he shot out the front glass and entered that way.

Q2: Granted, you did say "likely buzzed in", and you are right it would be easier if there was no buzzer before 9:30, but my point is you didn't even investigate and discover the security protocols in place before theorizing.

Q: After 9:30 No other main doors in the building could open without alerting the office secretary who monitors the security panel.

A: Oh you mean the office that was the first place to get shot up (by op 1)? Ya I somehow don't think the secretary would care about the security panel when he/she is being shot at.

Q2: True, but see my next "Q2" answer below.

Q: All the action occurred between 15-75 feet MAX of the front entrance. The office, the first grade classrooms, the gym, all right there. They would never risk letting someone in the back door wearing combat clothing and a mask, just to walk all the way through the school to do shooting at the front of the school.

A: You must of missed what I was saying because you have it backwards. Op 1 shoots way in front. Lookout opens back door for OP 2 + patsy. OP 1 shoots at front office and then meets up with OP 2 which at the same time is shooting up the 1st classroom. Noone at the school "let" a masked gunman in the building willingly... the only door opened willingly was the back entrance which was opened by an inside man...

Q2: I didn't miss it. First, they would have to keep the rear door ajar, in order to enter at the signal. This would have kept the security panel light lit the entire time until OP 1 blew the front door.


Further more, it is just too dangerous to have 2 men decked out with camo and long guns over their shoulders to approach the rear doors of the building from ANY direction (parking lot or the woods) because if you look at the terrain, they would have been spotted easily from ANY angle of approach, through the windows by A teacher or student in SOME classroom OR OTHER)

Q:For example, you wrote "Meanwhile operative 2 (the one that forces his way through the front door) makes his way through the school to meet up with the other operative"

If you had checked the schematic, you would have realized they would have been standing within about 25 feet of each other once the entrance was breached.

A: I didn't say it was a long distance... the key point to notice here is the distance from the front to the back isn't very large but also insn't a clear line of sight path... meaning if the good cops covering the front door don't actually go "INSIDE" the school then they cant see the op's + patsy in the back (again the point is its not a long distance but also isn't a clear line of sight).

Q2: Already covered.

Q: The on duty police officers is a huge stretch. Not saying Local cops could'nt be bought off for a few million a piece, but wow, it is just too risky. They make LOTS of money in a town like that.

A: "Because some people don't want money... some people just want to watch the world burn".

Q2: Hard to believe more than one cop from a local force in an idyllic town would be that psychotic as to willingly slaughter little toddlers. More likely someone dressed as one as per your theory who was willing to take the chance to blend in knowing that the response would be multiple jurisdictions and he might not be noticed right away.

Q: Adam definitely had help, if he did any shooting at all.

After all, the officer on scene in the interior states that they found multiple weapons, LONG RIFLES (PLURAL) and a shotgun.

A: Go figure the cop on the scene apparently standing over the body miscounts the AR's and stats a weapon is there when it isn't (and then that exact weapon is found 12 hours later in Adams trunk)... honestly the paid off cop thing sounds to far fetched? really? rethink about this point please.

Q2: I think any op dressed as a cop would be very sure to keep moving until he found a way to get outside blend in and walk away. I doubt he would stick out after enough killing was done to make the point, by dithering on the scene. But it is possible. OP 1 would have had a shotgun and could have had an AR strapped to his back, and just dropped the shotgun he used near the office, then gone into the classroom Adam was in, Shot him, dropped his AR on the ground next to Adam's body along side the AR that Adam carried in, left a couple pistols there and kept one in his holster.

Viola. A responding officer sees a shotgun laying in front of the office, walks 30 feet into the first grade classroom and sees 2 AR's and 2 pistols.

Of course he would be one of the many officers who would know that something stinks about the official story.

Q: NO way in hell Adam Lanza carried An AR-15, an Enfield Rifle, a shotgun, and 2 9mm pistols, including ammo.

A: Official story is 4 weapons. AR, 2 pistols & a shotgun (found later in trunk). The kid was ~100lbs... not a strapping young man by any sense... I doubt that kid could carry all that stuff 10 feet if he had to, let alone while wearing body armor, and a mask which would restrict breathing, while shooting a high powered shotgun to blow out the reinforced security glass at the front entrance... as I said its all bullshit. 2 guns in the front, 2 in the back... none of which Adam ever touched.

Q2: NO, there is NO "OFFICIAL" story on the guns. You won't find any official statement as to the TOTAL AND TYPE of guns made by the State police LT at a press conference.
At different times, he acknowledged "pistols" and a Bushmaster .223.

All other gun reports are the dozens of different accounts that made it into news stories over 2 days.

The best actual evidence we have is

1. what the officer on the scanner relates, (long rifles and shotgun)
2. the helicopter showing the semi-auto shotgun in the trunk.

The 2 pistols are "likely" since their mention was repeated often and early on in news reports. As is the Bushmaster AR-15

And there were a few reports a .45 Henry repeating rifle, a .30 Enfield rifle, and a .22 Marlin rifle, which is why I chose to use the enfield as an example of one of the long rifles mentioned in the scanner report.


Q: More research to be done but this isn't over.

A: That I will agree with.
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Q2: Granted, you did say "likely buzzed in", and you are right it would be easier if there was no buzzer before 9:30, but my point is you didn't even investigate and discover the security protocols in place before theorizing.

A2: The security protocols for the lookout/cleaner are irrelevant as he is never to be tied to the crime in any way. What is relevant is the protocols in place when the actual shooter (op 1) arrives to breech the entrance. The entrance door remember has security glass, designed to take the force of a standard bullet, which is why the shotgun is used. We can also assume the protocols were working, cuz if the door wasn't locked we can likely assume the assailant would of simply walked in (but that wouldn't explain the busted out glass door at the front of the school).

Q2: I didn't miss it. First, they would have to keep the rear door ajar, in order to enter at the signal. This would have kept the security panel light lit the entire time until OP 1 blew the front door.

A2: Again you are getting the order of events mixed up. First op 1 blows through the front door using the shotgun, then uses the 1 pistol he has on him to shoot the administrative staff, as this is happening the lookout/cleaner is already inside the building (he wasn't just standing there for hours before hand holding the back door open like a dumbass)... he waited till the shots were fired from the front of the school... shots being fired = no one giving 2 shits about some security panel light going off, you would be more concerned about the masked man in front of you shooting at you and your colleagues at that exact second... at this point the inside man (lookout/cleaner) opens the door for op 2 and the patsy.

Q2: Further more, it is just too dangerous to have 2 men decked out with camo and long guns over their shoulders to approach the rear doors of the building from ANY direction (parking lot or the woods) because if you look at the terrain, they would have been spotted easily from ANY angle of approach, through the windows by A teacher or student in SOME classroom OR OTHER)

A2: First off the 2 op's weren't together... one went to the front alone, the other went to the back with the patsy, meanwhile the lookout/cleaner is inside waiting. The clothing they are wearing doesn't scream IM GOING TO KILL YOU... its a black jacket and camo pants... go to a mall right now and you will likely see 100 ppl wearing that same outfit... my point being the outfit itself is not suspicious (they weren't wearing Scream 3 outfits or anything stupid obvious like that...). Second you act like they were in some rush for some reason... remember at this point NOTHING has happened yet, class is going on as scheduled, the kids are inside singing songs and reading books, not staring out the window looking for killers.

Each op took 2 guns total (1 small, 1 big). It is simple for both parties to conceal the pistols without much issue. The AR & shotgun are a bit more difficult to conceal but that is easy to get around with a bit of misdirection (good old Houdini). Op 1 and Op 2 would arrive separately. Op 1 arrives, mask and all, blatantly showing the shotgun, walks up to the entrance of the school (he doesn't have anything to hid... people are going to think hes Adam in 5 minutes anyways). Op 2 can't be as obvious as he entering an "unofficial" entry point (the back door) so op 2 wouldn't be wearing his mask yet, his pistol would be concealed in his pants, the AR would be as tucked into his jacket as he could get it. He would also have the added distraction of a kid next to him (the patsy), as well as anyone in the area who IS paying attention to their surrounding would probably be more focused on the guy on the front lawn wearing a mask, which an exposed shotgun in his hands... I don't think op 2 would have any issue getting into position.

Q2: Hard to believe more than one cop from a local force in an idyllic town would be that psychotic as to willingly slaughter little toddlers. More likely someone dressed as one as per your theory who was willing to take the chance to blend in knowing that the response would be multiple jurisdictions and he might not be noticed right away.

A2: 1 op (instead of 2) is in theory possible... except it doesn't match the evidence of the police recording... 2 police are inside the school... it's hard to believe 1 is killing kids, and the other is a good guy trying to find a killer. The evidence points to if 1 of these guys is in on it, the other is also in on it by just using pure logic. Also these men would in fact have to be on duty and in fact be police. They are inside the school directing the other police on which positions to take making sure reinforcements avoid the back entrance for as long as possible. Since they are on record announcing the gun's found on the scene from inside the school before any other cops at all had entered the building yet, it would be next to impossible for them not to be cops, and not get noticed.

Think of it this way, them being actual cops makes it a lot easier for them in the long run.

Hypothetical Scenario 1: They are not cops, just posing as cops. This scenario would cause to many unexplainable inconsistencies which other cops on the scene would immediately question (at least shortly after the fact worst case). Being the FIRST cops their would draw a lot of unwanted attention to them from other cops to begin with. They would be asking them questions trying to get updated on where things stand. Things like "you reported a shotgun inside the school earlier, where is in, does another perp have it"... basically the op's (first responding 2 cops) would have a lot of eyes on them and if they weren't legit it would be apparent right away (or as i said shortly after)... that leaves big holes in the report which cant be explained... this is a bad scenario.

Hypothetical Scenario 2: They are actual cops. They breech the front/shoot the classes, undress changing into their cop persona's, act like first responding police guiding the actions of the other early responders, delays things for as long as possible, and then eventually meets up with the other police in side giving them a seemingly honest account of what happened. See how much cleaner that is...

The problem is you act like being a cop is a super high honor that no scum can get into... it's like everything in this world there will always be a mix of good and evil... getting 2 willing participants (even cops) is probably a whole lot easier then you think, especially when you have a near unlimited bankroll to fund the near limitless bribes.

Q2: I think any op dressed as a cop would be very sure to keep moving until he found a way to get outside blend in and walk away. I doubt he would stick out after enough killing was done to make the point, by dithering on the scene. But it is possible. OP 1 would have had a shotgun and could have had an AR strapped to his back, and just dropped the shotgun he used near the office, then gone into the classroom Adam was in, Shot him, dropped his AR on the ground next to Adam's body along side the AR that Adam carried in, left a couple pistols there and kept one in his holster.

Viola. A responding officer sees a shotgun laying in front of the office, walks 30 feet into the first grade classroom and sees 2 AR's and 2 pistols.

Of course he would be one of the many officers who would know that something stinks about the official story.

A2: This is a multi part question so I am going to be kind of all over the map on this one... lol..

The first part of the question I answer in the answer above. For the op's it would be safer for them to be found standing over the body (acting like they just got there), then to be found sliding against the wall trying to escape... one of them is on record saying what weapons were seen inside the school... therefor that "cop" needs to be inside the school when reinforcements arrive to match the story... its all about consistency in the places it really matters. They can't have officer jim announcing the guns inside the school and then backup arrives and officer jim is nowhere to be found... that leads to questions... not very clean.

The shotgun was initially reported to be inside the school. That was retracted as an error, and changed to it was found in the trunk. There wasn't 2 shotguns. They just initially reported it in the wrong location and have since made that little "correction".

First all the guns used had to be found on the scene (he couldn't simply holster a gun that was just discharged... especially since the official story isn't that he shot Adam. How would he explain his gun being fired? Forensic's on scene needs to match the account... if 2 pistols were used (which is the case) then 2 pistols HAVE to be found.

Q2: NO, there is NO "OFFICIAL" story on the guns. You won't find any official statement as to the TOTAL AND TYPE of guns made by the State police LT at a press conference.
At different times, he acknowledged "pistols" and a Bushmaster .223.

All other gun reports are the dozens of different accounts that made it into news stories over 2 days.

The best actual evidence we have is

1. what the officer on the scanner relates, (long rifles and shotgun)
2. the helicopter showing the semi-auto shotgun in the trunk.

The 2 pistols are "likely" since their mention was repeated often and early on in news reports. As is the Bushmaster AR-15

And there were a few reports a .45 Henry repeating rifle, a .30 Enfield rifle, and a .22 Marlin rifle, which is why I chose to use the enfield as an example of one of the long rifles mentioned in the scanner report.

A2: it will eventually pan out officially to 4 weapons total, 2 pistols, a AR, and a shotgun (3 found inside the school with Adam, the other found in his moms car trunk in the parking lot). We know there is at least 1 AR since it was used for most of the killing according to the official story. We also know a shotgun was at least present as they found it in the trunk (and mishandled it to the highest degree... using no gloves...). And we also know at least 1 pistol was used as not all the deaths were caused by the AR, and the shotgun couldn't of been used since it was in the trunk. As I said eventually it will pan out officially it was 4 weapons. The others are just distractions to cause confusion... I mean seriously you really think Adam Lanza that is like 100lbs on a good day carried a .45 Henry, .30 Enfield, .22 Marlin rifle, and at least 1 pistol, along with additional ammo, while wearing a bullet proof vest under his clothing, and a mask that restricts his breathing... I bet if you handed all that to that kid he wouldn't be able to walk a foot, let alone go on a killing spree... This is why they will limit the gun count to the 4 I mentioned as otherwise it opens up additional weird questions (like which vitamin supplements was he taking to look so weak yet be to buff?... lol)
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Look at how patheticaly small and skinny adam lanza was. Now, how can a kid this small carry all those guns, ammo and magazines while shooting and killing.

They said he was wearing a vest, face mask besides.

Really, how can a kid this small and skinny do all that.

Here's how.

He didn't do it.

He was the patsy. They gained entry by his being there and shot him as the first victim.

Two gunman fired on anyone walking into the kill zone and each took a class before before throwing down all there weapons and ammo next to the murdered kid adam as they ran out from another entrance via the gymnasium where they were spotted running by windows.
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OMG it does ay end the life of Adam!....thats just creepy,,

its clear Adam was a patsy that was to be murdered after he was in the school,,either the cops did him in or his two handlers that groomed him into the situation...

this case screams false flag and the media is covering it all up just like 9/11

the media is absolutely WORTHLESS & USELESS..they provide false disinformation and knowingly cover up crimes
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It sounded like he said "a little late for that" weird.
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It clearly says "end the life of Adam". I know this because my headset by default is crazy loud and when I turn up the volume to full that "whisper" is basically a scream and it is very clear what he says.

Which brings up A LOT of questions about the official story (which already stinks about as bad as it gets)... remember everybody at first (including police) though the suspect was his brother Ryan due to the ID on the body being the only way at the time to identify the body (as the school altercation story involving Adam was retracted as it never happened... nobody at the school knew who Adam was).

I personally feel the man on the police scanner that says "Standby units in front of the school, we're conducting an interior search at this time. End the life of Adam." is the guy they found at the back of the school (in the woods, wearing camo pants and a black jacket which was detained by police as described by on scene witnesses) who's job I feel it was to keep the 2 "operatives" inside (which were both on duty police) up to date about the "other" police presence on scene in real-time... how many and where (keep in mind early responders were lacking at first... the majority of police didn't arrive for ~15 more minutes, at this point they only had a small number of police inside the school and another small group covering the front entrance).

So basically the way I see it from start to end...

There were at least 4 people total involved in this. Adam the patsy, 2 operatives (which are on duty "first responding" police on scene before the shooting), and the lookout/cleaner (which is to pass as a innocent by standard after the fact).

The basic jist of how i see it going down...

The lookout/cleaner arrives at the school before the shooting, he gains access to the school interior (possibly even hours earlier... hes in no rush as he will never be a suspect in the end (see later) so is likely buzzed in legitimately by school employees well before the shooting occurs for a valid reason). His first job is to open the "BACK" door of the school at a scheduled time. At the back of the school is 1 operative (dressed in a black jacket, camo pants & a mask) which is with the patsy Adam, and 2 of the 4 guns tied to this crime in some way (1 of the pistols and the AR). Operate 1 and Adam the patsy make their way into the school via the back entrance which the lookout/cleaner opens for them. The lookout/cleaner then waits by the back door with the patsy Adam, while operative 1 goes and waits outside the first target classroom for his signal (the front door breech).

At the same time operative 2 (also dressed in a black jacket, camo pants & a mask) forces his way into the front entrance of the school using 1 of the 2 remaining weapon (most likely the shotgun due to the entrance door glass being broken even though it was reinforced to withstand bullets). He then uses the pistol to shoot at the administrative staff (including the principle) killing/wounding several people. While this is occurring Operative 1 (hearing the signal) then goes into the first target classroom and using the AR shoots as many of the children as he can, and then moves to the 2nd target classroom and does the same. Meanwhile operative 2 (the one that forces his way through the front door) makes his way through the school to meet up with the other operative, the lookout/cleaner and the patsy in the hallway near the target classrooms.

Operative 1 then takes off his black jacket, camo pants & mask (he is wearing a police uniform under it) and puts it on the patsy Adam. Operative 2 takes off his black jacket, camo pants & mask (which is also wearing a police uniform under it) and gives it to the lookout/cleaner to wear (minus the mask). So now basically you have a complete switch. Adam now looks like op 1, the lookout now looks like op 2 (minus the mask)... as seen by witnesses in the school they assume it's the same person, and the 2 operatives now look like police. OK still with me?

The lookout/cleaner then takes the shotgun (which was only used to blow the front door open... which the cleaner doesn't know as he was at the back entrance at that point) and runs to Adam's mom's parked car and puts it in the trunk (assuming it wasn't needed in the crime and shouldn't be found at the actual scene... he's the cleaner it's his job is to make sure the evidence matches the crime which is what he thought he was doing). He also probably hid some other crucial evidence (such as the 2nd mask) in his own vehicle (as he will not be a suspect... I explain why later). Once the shotgun is in the trunk and all "unexplainable" evidence is "cleaned" the lookout see's the actual first responding police arriving at the scene (faster then anticipated). He then goes on the police scanner telling them that he's already inside and to "Standby units in front of the school, we're conducting an interior search at this time" making them wait at the front entrance (and are lacking manpower to surround the building as of yet). The lookout/cleaner then has to somehow signal the 2 operatives/police inside the school that everything is in place and to complete the final piece which is the death of the patsy. I feel they originally thought they would have time for the lookout/cleaner to physically run/walk back to the back entrance of the school and tell them in person after the "inconsistent" evidence was cleaned... but due to an above average first response time, was forces to do it over the airwaves (which is where the "End the life of Adam" comes in.

The 2 operatives which are now dressed as police still inside the building hear the message knowing the cleaner wasn't able to relay the message in person and that other police are already on scene use one of the pistols (the one that up to this point hadn't been used) to kill the patsy Adam Lanza and make it look somewhat convincing of a suicide. They then run away from the body through the school and act like they haven't been to that area of the school yet, and later meet up/blend in with the mass police presence which arrives a few minutes later.

Meanwhile the lookout/cleaner is just sticking around the general area (as fleeing would be more suspicious then anything), as he has nothing to worry about... the 2 first responding police (the 2 operatives which would be seen as the first police on scene) can vouch for the guy saying he wasn't part of the crime in any way (which is why he was able to be released so quickly).

-The lookout/cleaner drives away with "inconstant" evidence (extra masks, possibly extra gloves...) after being cleared to leave by police due to help from his 2 operative friends.

-The 2 operatives blend into the mass police presence that arrive shortly after and have a believable story to tell up to that point, to the point of even being able to sway/spin initial info due to being their first (which is possibly why originally it was reported to be was his brother Ryan... which would be a good stall tactic (especially since they just said "End the life of Adam" minutes before on the police scanner...)

-The patsy is found dead from apparent suicide dressed the same as the actual killer(s) & the 3 guns used are found with the body as expected (minus the shotgun thing which I honestly thing was an oversight on their part). From an eyewitnesses standpoint everything would "appear" to be correct... A perfect crime... well almost.

Just my 2 cent...
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quiet possible. Just not sure what Adams job is here. Was he mk ultrad?
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Possibly but it could be done using simpler means (although that or simply heavy drugging is also possible).

I personally think he was taken against his will but also willingly... let me try to explain what I mean.

I believe they got Adam to go along with "it" (even though "it" for him was technically nothing but stand there, get shot, and be the patsy) by using the threat of killing his mother (or possibly entire family) if he didn't.

The basic jist pre-op as I see it...

-The Lookout/cleaner goes to the school early enough that it isn't tied to the event in any way and gains entry using a legitimate reason (willingly buzzed in) and waits for the scheduled time.

Op 1 & 2 go to Adams mother's house using their police credentials to gain access to the house (which she would willing let in). They could of played it off at first as if something had happened to a family member as a distraction... I am sorry to tell you this Mrs Lanza but your son has been killed (for example). Most mothers at this point would break down crying and not be thinking very straight... The "police" make their way into the house and while 1 op consoles her and explains pure lies to her to keep her distracted, the other op gains access to the "needed" patsy guns. They kill the mother right then and there using one of the patsy guns they stole from her (as it fits the story) and leave the scene.

They then go to Adam (wearing their cop uniforms to again gain access to the house willing). They explain the situation to him but with a delay in a sense... something like we have your mother (and possibly would could have also said father/brother as well) and we will kill them if you don't do what we say (meanwhile the mother is already dead and 4 of her weapons are already in the trunk). Most 20 year olds (especially a ~100lbs little weakling like him) would be shitting themselves at this point and be simply dumbfounded... what option do you have but to go with the flow and see wtf happens, it's not like you have a lot of options at that point (and he wouldn't assume she was already dead so to him it would be a legitimate threat). Both operatives put on their black jackets & camo pants over their uniforms and then drive Adam to the school... that brings you to about where I start my previous rant that goes into the actual op itself.

Again just my 2 cents...
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I remember reading that Nancy Lanza was shot while in bed in her pyjamas....I'm sure someone knows what I'm talking about and which report it was tied with so they can provide a link to that info.....
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the voice comes from a DEMOM that interfered in the transmission
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the voice comes from a DEMON that interfered in the transmission
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source for all of this is a yt vid that was admittedly edited?

ghey.

so you guys think the cops dont know that scanner traffic is recorded on the interwebs?

ghey.

you guys dont have work to do or any contributions to society to make?

ghey.
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The source is not a youtube video edited. Its clearly heard on the unedited radiorefence recording of the police scanners for that day.
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sounds like "anger for wife and daugthers" to me...but my speakers suck.
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What is really puzzling is the extreme security system placed at this school. I live in a big city full of gang members and drug dealers the schools around here have no security system at all, now isn't this school in a small safe town? When was this security system installed or put in place? Anyone know?
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I remember reading that Nancy Lanza was shot while in bed in her pyjamas....I'm sure someone knows what I'm talking about and which report it was tied with so they can provide a link to that info.....
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From what I understand up to this point that is correct.

Try to picture it like this, they arrive early while she's still sleep and wake her. Tell her the bs story I mentioned in my other post, 1 cop consoles her, the other "looks around the house". The 2nd cop finds the needed guns, preps them, and then calls down to his other cop buddy to come upstairs and take a look at this (the mother follows). She comes into the room to the 2nd cop with 1 of the "patsy" guns in hand (I don't remember hearing exactly which of the 4 guns was used on the mother). They tell her to position herself a specific way on the bed (again what option do you have when a person has a gun pointed at you). She does it, and they shoot her when she is in a convincing enough position. They then take her car with the 4 stolen weapons and head to go pickup Adam the patsy. Official it would appears that she was killed by Adam in bed (still in pajama's, no signs of forced entry, patsy guns missing, bullet type in mom & at school match)... no loose ends, nice and clean.

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