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20 Signs That The Poverty Explosion is Hitting Young People the Hardest

 
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If people really have to economize, then are subscriptions to cable TV waaay down. Are sales of fancy cell phones waaay down too. Are they? I hope so, since such things are both silly, non-essential luxuries.

60 Minutes had a segment a few weeks ago about how some companies are having a hard time finding enough employees. But the workers need have to have skills not connected to some stupid bullshit college degree but in industrial-type categories.
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TS66 posted: " there is no way to live below 30k a year "
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18850150


i write down everything i spend every single day. it has been an eye opener and now i am saving money since i am now able to see where the money was just leaking out and was then able to fix it. it was amazing how much i was just spending on useless crap. not anymore though.
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If people really have to economize, then are subscriptions to cable TV waaay down. Are sales of fancy cell phones waaay down too. Are they? I hope so, since such things are both silly, non-essential luxuries.

60 Minutes had a segment a few weeks ago about how some companies are having a hard time finding enough employees. But the workers need have to have skills not connected to some stupid bullshit college degree but in industrial-type categories.

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it would be nice if some of these large companies would help train people. there are many smart people out there but they don't have the funds to further their education.
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I wouldn't go South. I'd go to Wyoming/Montana, anywhere that private oil companies are drilling and recovering oil, where there are jobs waiting to be filled. It's almost like we are re-living our history, where immigrants left the crowded decaying East Coast for the opportunities in the golden West. Just Google the states that are NOT controlled by Democrats/Liberals. Those are the bankrupt ones. Go anywhere but there.
 Quoting: Mr. Weird


Not questioning, just confused...

The bankrupt ones are the ones controlled by Dems/Libs
and should be avoided?

Thanks! hf
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Yup. California is a prime example, and I think the number of people leaving there annually is 200,000. But Google a directory of states in economic trouble. They are USUALLY, if not always, controlled by Dems. As Yogi Berra said, "You could look it up."
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At a convenience store recently, there was a kid who
bought individual candy, canned drink and chips. All
at an expensive convenience store price. His total
cost was around $6.

He is a typical spendthrift American in training.

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I'm not going to disagree with what you have posted. Obama has harmed our economy and he still will not own it. Of course there have been longer term trends such as free trade that have hurt us as well.

The economic situation varies with location. In central Arkansas jobs aren't hard to get, especially jobs suitable for the young (entry level jobs). There are also plenty of professional jobs, but they're going to people with experience. College educations are good, but experience often trumps education. Education plus experience is even better.

To the young people I say that you need to find a job and work there for a couple of years. Not McDonalds either. At least get a warehouse or factory job or anything that can be considered a real job. No employer is going to give a good job away to some 24 year old that has never kept a real job for more than 6 months. If you're a college graduate and if you want to work in your field then your sacrifice may not be over yet. You simply MUST stay involved in your field because in six years your degree will be almost worthless for that if you have not yet gained experience in your field.

Do internships, volunteer, take a BS job that is related to your field even if only marginally. Sociology degree? Try receptionist at a free clinic or anything that involves the downtrodden. That may not seem like a match but it can be spun much much better than a job at McDonalds or some factory. Biology degree? Something as remotely related as working at a medical laboratory supply house can keep you in the game.

The point is that you have to work in some job that is marginally related in some way. In doing so you may find one day that you have inadvertently carved yourself a niche. Just because you got a degree doesn't mean you're guaranteed a job with a $30k+ entry level pay. This has always been true and it is more true today than ever before.

Yes, the economy sucks and there will be more hardship and more losers today than in the past. Still though, for the ambitious and competitive young people there is still opportunity if they just don't give up and keep their eye on the ball.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29856998


WHERE!?!

THERE ARE NONE!!!!


I love it when people say, "Oh just go get XXXXX job. Then work your way up!"

I've got news for you people who still have your head in the sand. "XXXXX" job?? Yeah, it either

A) Doesn't exist anymore
B) Has someone over qualified and/or well over the normal age for working it.

So how the fuck am I supposed to get XXXXX job?

Wait for the entire Baby-Boomer generation to finally fucking die off?
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Here's another example:


At a local shopping center there is a dollar store and an Aldi.

A man bought a bunch of overpriced food items at the dollar store and paid over $100.

If he had bought similar items at Aldi, he would have paid half that price.



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It's not what you earn, it's want you save that counts.



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It's not what you earn, it's what you save that counts.



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One must learn to be wise with his money and live below his means.

The old truism is: "a penny saved is a penny earned."

But actually a penny saved is more than a penny earned...
one must pay taxes on pennies earned.



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One must learn to be wise with his money and live below his means.

The old truism is: "a penny saved is a penny earned."

But actually a penny saved is more than a penny earned...
one must pay taxes on pennies earned.



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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18850150


Being frugal is not going to fix this situation.

It is a fundamentally flawed economic system. Both from a taxation standpoint from the federal government, and a corporation decisions standpoint to pad the wallets of the board members by $1,000,000 versus making the lives of their employees easier by giving each one an extra $5000.

It's a bullshit environment, caused by the generation of Americans born from 1890 - 1970.

You're the ones to blame. They've fucked this entire generation of everyone under the age of 30.
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Here are two sites with many jobs listed in Wyoming and North Dakota.

[link to www.indeed.com]

[link to www.indeed.com]
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OP posted: "Being frugal is not going to fix this situation."

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I'm talking about fixing people who live the typical American spendthrift lifestyle...
many of those people earn six figures and still live from paycheck to paycheck.



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I'm not going to disagree with what you have posted. Obama has harmed our economy and he still will not own it. Of course there have been longer term trends such as free trade that have hurt us as well.

The economic situation varies with location. In central Arkansas jobs aren't hard to get, especially jobs suitable for the young (entry level jobs). There are also plenty of professional jobs, but they're going to people with experience. College educations are good, but experience often trumps education. Education plus experience is even better.

To the young people I say that you need to find a job and work there for a couple of years. Not McDonalds either. At least get a warehouse or factory job or anything that can be considered a real job. No employer is going to give a good job away to some 24 year old that has never kept a real job for more than 6 months. If you're a college graduate and if you want to work in your field then your sacrifice may not be over yet. You simply MUST stay involved in your field because in six years your degree will be almost worthless for that if you have not yet gained experience in your field.

Do internships, volunteer, take a BS job that is related to your field even if only marginally. Sociology degree? Try receptionist at a free clinic or anything that involves the downtrodden. That may not seem like a match but it can be spun much much better than a job at McDonalds or some factory. Biology degree? Something as remotely related as working at a medical laboratory supply house can keep you in the game.

The point is that you have to work in some job that is marginally related in some way. In doing so you may find one day that you have inadvertently carved yourself a niche. Just because you got a degree doesn't mean you're guaranteed a job with a $30k+ entry level pay. This has always been true and it is more true today than ever before.

Yes, the economy sucks and there will be more hardship and more losers today than in the past. Still though, for the ambitious and competitive young people there is still opportunity if they just don't give up and keep their eye on the ball.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29856998


WHERE!?!

THERE ARE NONE!!!!


I love it when people say, "Oh just go get XXXXX job. Then work your way up!"

I've got news for you people who still have your head in the sand. "XXXXX" job?? Yeah, it either

A) Doesn't exist anymore
B) Has someone over qualified and/or well over the normal age for working it.

So how the fuck am I supposed to get XXXXX job?

Wait for the entire Baby-Boomer generation to finally fucking die off?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27809228


start reading up and researching the law of attraction now. you can change your life. and i really hope it gets better for you. really.
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OP posted: "Being frugal is not going to fix this situation."

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I'm talking about fixing people who live the typical American spendthrift lifestyle...
many of those people earn six figures and still live from paycheck to paycheck.



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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18850150


exactly. knowing where you are spending your money is the key to getting the out of control spending under control. and if you are frugal anyway it just helps to see where the money is going.
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Great advice from Anonymous Coward. Great. Our young people are hitting a brick wall built from the unfulfilled expectations that they were taught. The days of a guaranteed job that goes with a college degree are over, at least for now. We will see which of our kids survives and even thrives in a desert of jobs. It's almost like when our country first started and there were no guarantees of any kind that anyone would survive. Some didn't, but the ones who did set the stage for an explosion of opportunity for the ones who came after. The hardest job for these responsible young people will be fighting against what we have become and where we are being led, which is a society that rewards people for doing nothing, contributing nothing, and expecting everything to be given to them.
 Quoting: Mr. Weird


You have some very true points but remember the corporate owners have manipulated the people for generations.

Corporations legally bribe politicians. Did you expect this to make it good for people?

Despicable stewards.
Overstand, this isn't a sermon from the hill, but a 'Trespassers Will Be Shot' Sign.
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I think all the posts here are great advice! Too bad it isn't reaching who it should.
I think, as parents, we have an obligation to instruct our children that life isn't a bowl of cherries where mom and dad will always be around to clothe, feed and pay their way for them.
We need to do a 180 on how we talk to our kids about their future. "Go to college, study hard, get a good job, blah, blah, blah..."
I was thinking about something similar to this a few days ago. My son is 11 and the only progeny. If both his parents are dead in 10 years then he will basically be walking through the rest of his life with no family.
So this becomes our job to inform our children of what we see in this world and paint it for them in such a fashion that it sinks in. There was yesterday and today. Those two time frames are stark enough for us all to realize that things have changed and it's our duty to nurture the right thought processes in our children so they will not be living hand-to-mouth!
Instead of investing in college for our kids invest in an insurance license for them, computer certification training, HVAC school, or anything that will validate their knowledge of a specific trade. College degrees are an inch deep and 10 miles wide. It's our responsibility as parents to turn that around so our children know specifics - inside and out.
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For John Donson:

I've raised 4 kids and found out that I never taught them anything when I sat them down to teach them something. None of us learn from listening to other's advice. But our kids are WATCHING everything we do from the day they are born, so it makes your job easier. Live the life that you want THEM to have, and they'll get it.

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Wait for the entire Baby-Boomer generation to finally fucking die off?
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Hey, the boomers are still waiting for The Greatest Generation to finally release control from their withered hands.
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Your problem is, you need to get out of NY. There is no future there. Move to the South. There is still an economy here and jobs.
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Wait, let's have all these gun-grabbing northerners comes down here after they destroyed their own states with bs. That sounds like a plan!
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Your problem is, you need to get out of NY. There is no future there. Move to the South. There is still an economy here and jobs.
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Wait, let's have all these gun-grabbing northerners comes down here after they destroyed their own states with bs. That sounds like a plan!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29158753


LOL ... we don't all live in Manhattan you know wink

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