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Not a fan of the Abrahamic 'god'..

 
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Sorry, do you not understand that I am trolling here? I thought it would have been obvious.
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I wasn't entirely sure, but I had my suspicions. Had you not, I would've been privileged to learn something interesting about fanatics.
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I hear ya, I wanted to keep up the charade but I just couldn't bring myself to do it. I have gained insight into the minds of fanatics, I believe. I think they are just hurt individuals, and very afraid.
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The ones that aren't trolling I mean.

I agree, it can be difficult to tell the difference.
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Re: Not a fan of the Abrahamic 'god'..
The God who "rules" via fear?


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Should He love the wicked(ness) rather?
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The true one would love it ALL, as ALL comes from it.


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Wickedness is not divine, silly. You are confused MUCH.
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Your divinity cannot exist without wickedness. You're taking the same approach science takes in cutting/dividing/segregating.


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Re: Not a fan of the Abrahamic 'god'..
Just because God did all those terrible things doesn't mean he doesn't love us. Quit being so petty and vindictive, OP.
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That sounds like an abusive relationship. In a state of delusion where you think he loves you regardless of the abuse.
Scared to leave because of what he'll do to you.
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Oh dear, another blasphemer, I will pray for you, in the meantime I suggest you beg forgiveness. God is patient, and he loves us, but his patient has it's limits, I'd hate to see spend eternity in hell because you don't understand how much he loves us.
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bsflag

as a Christian you should pray for... not judge... and your comment does not seem very helpful..

this is the talk of a satanist, imo...

op sounds like he has a good heart and Christ did say He came for the unjust, not the just...

OP--you might consider that the OT appears to represent a VERY different time in human consciousness... one that required blood sacrifices and where people married very young and killed for things we don't even call crime today...

Ever dealt w an alcoholic? God seems to me to be dealing w humanity the best way He could, given the desire for free will creations and optimum harvest of souls in harmony w heavenly energies... thought.

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Should He love the wicked(ness) rather?
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The true one would love it ALL, as ALL comes from it.


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Wickedness is not divine, silly. You are confused MUCH.
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Your divinity cannot exist without wickedness. You're taking the same approach science takes in cutting/dividing/segregating.


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You speak duality, good and evil. Holiness is smtg. else.
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Re: Not a fan of the Abrahamic 'god'..
this reality is a polarity, but it seems to me the purpose is likely to be to create a place for optimum harvest of souls w free will choice for God and Divine energy... wickedness is a part of the environment of polarity we are created within... God is love and light...

:)
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this reminds me of Bruce Lipton's biology of belief--our environment informs our beliefs... gives us a place within which to make choices...

hence the need for good and bad here... not in heaven...

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The true one would love it ALL, as ALL comes from it.


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Wickedness is not divine, silly. You are confused MUCH.
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Your divinity cannot exist without wickedness. You're taking the same approach science takes in cutting/dividing/segregating.


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You speak duality, good and evil. Holiness is smtg. else.
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All is contained within.

ynyngdlty

What segregated part outside of this are you refering to? scratching


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Wickedness is not divine, silly. You are confused MUCH.
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Your divinity cannot exist without wickedness. You're taking the same approach science takes in cutting/dividing/segregating.


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You speak duality, good and evil. Holiness is smtg. else.
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All is contained within.

:ynyngdlty:

What segregated part outside of this are you refering to? scratching


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Get enlightenment:

inside = outside.
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Re: Not a fan of the Abrahamic 'god'..
bowman--like yer avatat btw...

but the symbols you show represent how God creates here... the geometries and maths of creation... but not likely God, imo...

I soehow don't think God can be contained within a symbol adequately... creation, superficially can be, if you are an occultist, but not so sure these symbols do more than show some insight into the reality we are in, not the one we should be going to...

:)
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Re: Not a fan of the Abrahamic 'god'..
this reality is a polarity, but it seems to me the purpose is likely to be to create a place for optimum harvest of souls w free will choice for God and Divine energy... wickedness is a part of the environment of polarity we are created within... God is love and light...

:)
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There may be some truth to this, but ultimately I think Bowmnan is correct. Both good and evil must exist, you can't have one without the other, each gives meaning, balance, and definition to the other.

When it comes down to it, I don't think it's about holiness, or growth, or "optimun harvest of souls", though all of those things could be part of this story. What it's really about is experience. All there is in the universe is a multifaceted singular consciousness, whose only purpose for existing is to experience everything there is to experience, not for growth or punishment, but because it has nothing else better to do.
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God and Satan are two sides of the same coin that make up one.


Go(o)d--------------(d)evil
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Re: Not a fan of the Abrahamic 'god'..
Wickedness is not divine, silly. You are confused MUCH.
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Don't be so sure of that (or at least consider that YHWH may not be divine - but rather a "man of war" as the OT recounts) - YHWH - Yod-Hay-Uau-Hay, the Hebrew name for the Juices' god, written many thousands of times in both the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Masoretic text, is supposedly based on Strong's 1933, Hay-Uau-Hay (vocalized Havah, but remember that vowel pointings weren't available until invented many centuries after even the Dead Sea Scrolls, let alone when the texts were supposed to have been originally written). However, Strong's 1942 and 1943 are other vocalizations (vowel pointings) of Hay-Uau-Hay. H1942 means "desire (in a bad sense), engulfing ruin, calamity" and is vocalized Havah (or Hauwah - Uau can be pronounced as a "v" or "uw"). Translated in KJV as "very wickedness", "wickedness", "mischief", "deceitfulness". H1943 means "ruin", "disaster", "mischief" and is vocalized "Hovah" or "Houwah". All of the other Strong's Concordance translations of H-U-H are derivatives of either 1933 ("to become") or 1942/3. Note that not one means anything approximating "good"

"The Lord is a man of war; Yahweh is his name." – Exodus 15.3
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Re: Not a fan of the Abrahamic 'god'..
God and Satan are two sides of the same coin that make up one.


Go(o)d--------------(d)evil
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At least in the Juices' conception. Note that in the OT the figure of "Satan" (HaSatan, the Adversary, or Helal ben Shachar, "son of the dawn") is not a hated enemy, but rather a respected element of YHWH's government, a prosecuting attorney if you will. Of course, perhaps the Juices' god is the real devil, opposed to the Real, Good God
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Your divinity cannot exist without wickedness. You're taking the same approach science takes in cutting/dividing/segregating.


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You speak duality, good and evil. Holiness is smtg. else.
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All is contained within.

ynyngdlty

What segregated part outside of this are you refering to? scratching


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Get enlightenment:

inside = outside.
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bowman--like yer avatat btw...

but the symbols you show represent how God creates here... the geometries and maths of creation... but not likely God, imo...

I soehow don't think God can be contained within a symbol adequately... creation, superficially can be, if you are an occultist, but not so sure these symbols do more than show some insight into the reality we are in, not the one we should be going to...

:)
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So God is hanging out in his machine shop, laughing at us? chuckle


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Wickedness is not divine, silly. You are confused MUCH.
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Don't be so sure of that (or at least consider that YHWH may not be divine - but rather a "man of war" as the OT recounts) - YHWH - Yod-Hay-Uau-Hay, the Hebrew name for the Juices' god, written many thousands of times in both the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Masoretic text, is supposedly based on Strong's 1933, Hay-Uau-Hay (vocalized Havah, but remember that vowel pointings weren't available until invented many centuries after even the Dead Sea Scrolls, let alone when the texts were supposed to have been originally written). However, Strong's 1942 and 1943 are other vocalizations (vowel pointings) of Hay-Uau-Hay. H1942 means "desire (in a bad sense), engulfing ruin, calamity" and is vocalized Havah (or Hauwah - Uau can be pronounced as a "v" or "uw"). Translated in KJV as "very wickedness", "wickedness", "mischief", "deceitfulness". H1943 means "ruin", "disaster", "mischief" and is vocalized "Hovah" or "Houwah". All of the other Strong's Concordance translations of H-U-H are derivatives of either 1933 ("to become") or 1942/3. Note that not one means anything approximating "good"

"The Lord is a man of war; Yahweh is his name." – Exodus 15.3
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You people fail in understanding holiness. The Absolute, not relative.

Until then you cannot even begin to understand the Scriptures properly. You will have to do better than that.
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Jesus is God made flesh and OP you admit you like that side of him. That's the side of God that we see when we obey his commandments. Much of the OT God shows his discipline towards those who sin against him so that they may turn back and change. Yes there's even wrathful destruction for those who have refused to change.
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Re: Not a fan of the Abrahamic 'god'..
Ha! funny one Bowman... :)

it is tricky to put into words... if you garden or keep bees it really sinks in what is going on, imo...

why do anything or create at all?

it feels good...

this is likely why the bible says we are created to glorify God...

by free will choosing to do this, we harmonize w higher vibratory heavenly states of consciousness, imo...

and this is like tending a hive and seeing it really kick ass and produce amazing honey... ah, it feels great! I can only imagine how God must feel when we honor and glorify Him by caring enough to learn how to...

this, imo, is the real reason the scandals of history are often so obviously contrived... its like: hint hint...

but we have to decide... took me a while to be comfortable doing this...

I needed proofs and if you dig long enough, you find em... (hundreds of hours and near death later... sigh)

:)
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Re: Not a fan of the Abrahamic 'god'..
Jesus is God made flesh and OP you admit you like that side of him. That's the side of God that we see when we obey his commandments. Much of the OT God shows his discipline towards those who sin against him so that they may turn back and change. Yes there's even wrathful destruction for those who have refused to change.
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Will you stfu with this bullshit, the grown ups are trying to have a converstion.
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Re: Not a fan of the Abrahamic 'god'..
Jesus is God made flesh and OP you admit you like that side of him. That's the side of God that we see when we obey his commandments. Much of the OT God shows his discipline towards those who sin against him so that they may turn back and change. Yes there's even wrathful destruction for those who have refused to change.
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Wrong the Great God Zeus is God is the one true God he revealed to me in a supernatural encounter saying.

The winds of time I will break
for when the 10th hour comes
The One true great God Zeus the almighty
will bear a child
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and this is a beautiful and profound process, not fear-based and petty...

it can be way better than any other kind of consciousness, and I have tried as many as possible...

:)
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and this is a beautiful and profound process, not fear-based and petty...

it can be way better than any other kind of consciousness, and I have tried as many as possible...

:)
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frctlgmtry


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Re: Not a fan of the Abrahamic 'god'..
I mean he did all this petty, jealous and vengeful stuff in the old testament.. then to top it off sent his/her/its son to be killed by us.

That is not the type of god i want to pray to. Perhaps the snake in the garden was the good guy, trying to warn us about this sick fuck.

Im conflicted because the story of Jesus' life and his death is gut wrenching, i love that guy.
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The prevailing Christian theology is embarrassingly ignorant of its God and His nature. Rather than accept the responsibility God put on their shoulders to make the world a better place, they shift the blame to God or the devil when bad things happen. Rather than examining themselves in light of what God has called them to be, they bring God down to their level and dismiss what they don't understand as "an act of God's unknowable will." They say God hurts us because He loves us, which even a child can see makes no sense. What's even worse is they spread this poison as though it were truth, telling others that if they don't accept this schizophrenic version of God, they can quite literally go to hell.

This fatalistic apathy stems from an unbiblical doctrine redefining the "sovereignty" of God. The bible states that God "so loved the world" and is "unwilling any should perish." He gave His own authority to believers and charged them with bringing about heaven on earth. Instead, Christians take a passive back seat, watching events unfold according to the will of evil, then crying "the judgement of God" to anyone that will listen.

As to the fire and brimstone of the Old Testament, much of that is the product of biased translation (just like the New Testament verses concerning women in the church). The bible as we know it was translated in a time when Hebrew was a dead language, under scrutiny of a king who had final approval of the translation. It would be like handing a highschooler the untranslated epic of Gilgamesh and a pocket guide to ancient Sumerian and expecting an accurate result. With the added incentive of "if I don't like the way it turns out, off with your head."

Language is complicated. Multiple meanings and misuse of permissive verbs can change the entire meaning of a passage. When a verse says "God sent (insert calamity)," it usually can be more faithfully rendered as "(calamity) came."

Between biased translations and a slavish adherence to a faulty doctrine concerning the "sovereignty" of God, it's no wonder Christians are such an irritating, ineffectual bunch. And no wonder the rest of the world is calling bullshit.
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Not possible to post anymore neither here nor in other places so happy waddling through loads of nonsense as ever for people who decide to stay.
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Re: Not a fan of the Abrahamic 'god'..
Jesus is God made flesh and OP you admit you like that side of him. That's the side of God that we see when we obey his commandments. Much of the OT God shows his discipline towards those who sin against him so that they may turn back and change. Yes there's even wrathful destruction for those who have refused to change.
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Will you stfu with this bullshit, the grown ups are trying to have a converstion.
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I actually think this person is making a valid point--it seems like once the fall occurred because we free will chose to turn from God (disobey--become more aware) God had to devolve this reality to match our consciousness...

lots of evidence for this in nature... bee stingers used to be reproductive organs... meat eating likely was not what sustained massive lizards we call dines, life spans decreased...
etc

:)
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There are spiritual laws here... even God goes by them, because he wants a certain type of creation... free will sovereign spirit beings...

even Christ could not perform miracles in town where the people were very opposed to Him... at least He would not do so, it seems, because it would infract upon the free will of the people there...

once He died and was resurrected, He says He was given the power on earth and in heaven...

there are reasons for blood sacrifices... why do you think occult practice it...

it is likely energetic and following rules of creation God set up...

:)
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Jesus is God made flesh and OP you admit you like that side of him. That's the side of God that we see when we obey his commandments. Much of the OT God shows his discipline towards those who sin against him so that they may turn back and change. Yes there's even wrathful destruction for those who have refused to change.
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Will you stfu with this bullshit, the grown ups are trying to have a converstion.
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I actually think this person is making a valid point--it seems like once the fall occurred because we free will chose to turn from God (disobey--become more aware) God had to devolve this reality to match our consciousness...

lots of evidence for this in nature... bee stingers used to be reproductive organs... meat eating likely was not what sustained massive lizards we call dines, life spans decreased...
etc

:)
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This may be true, the problem I have is that this devolved reality most likely has to exist, IMO, as a counter-balance to paradise.
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Re: Not a fan of the Abrahamic 'god'..
I mean he did all this petty, jealous and vengeful stuff in the old testament.. then to top it off sent his/her/its son to be killed by us.

That is not the type of god i want to pray to. Perhaps the snake in the garden was the good guy, trying to warn us about this sick fuck.

Im conflicted because the story of Jesus' life and his death is gut wrenching, i love that guy.
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Of the characters in the Abrahamic tradition Jesus is by far my favourite. I like his general philosophy and he gives me a starting point for working out ethical problems. If I start with "What would Jesus do?" I don';t think I will go too far wrong. The Abrahamic God character though is a different kettle of fish. I can not stand him. He is so vile, despicable and inconsistent that I can only conclude he is the evil principle being represented as a creator. His followers go to a laughable extent to protest he is the good guy and the other is the evil.
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Re: Not a fan of the Abrahamic 'god'..
and this is a beautiful and profound process, not fear-based and petty...

it can be way better than any other kind of consciousness, and I have tried as many as possible...

:)
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:frctlgmtry:


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Bowman, if you haven't already, I recommend getting a compass and making these shapes yourself and playing w them...

but God does warn us about creating images that we place too much import on... they distract from Him and build ego instead...

still, when you realize that on a molecular level it is all geometry, it becomes quite profound...

:)
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Jesus is God made flesh and OP you admit you like that side of him. That's the side of God that we see when we obey his commandments. Much of the OT God shows his discipline towards those who sin against him so that they may turn back and change. Yes there's even wrathful destruction for those who have refused to change.
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Wrong the Great God Zeus is God is the one true God he revealed to me in a supernatural encounter saying.

The winds of time I will break
for when the 10th hour comes
The One true great God Zeus the almighty
will bear a child
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Jesus is God made flesh and OP you admit you like that side of him. That's the side of God that we see when we obey his commandments. Much of the OT God shows his discipline towards those who sin against him so that they may turn back and change. Yes there's even wrathful destruction for those who have refused to change.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30270036


Wrong the Great God Zeus is God is the one true God he revealed to me in a supernatural encounter saying.

The winds of time I will break
for when the 10th hour comes
The One true great God Zeus the almighty
will bear a child
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29966199