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How Could The Mayans Be Wrong?

 
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Werent they 100% with their prediction accuracy rate according to the experts? All of a sudden their biggest prediction fails? Hmmmmmm
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the Mayans were still accurate

the Doom-tards were the Fail

not the date, or the codex or the Mayans

only the Doom-tards
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The Dopi I mean Hopi indians were wrong too.
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The Dopi I mean Hopi indians were wrong too.
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There is no date in the Hopi prophecies.

Wrong about what?
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How are the Mayans wrong?

The predicted the alignment and specifically said there will be no doom today.
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1. The Doom people think 12-21-12 was all a joke.

2. The Energy people still believe.
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The original date was actually the 23rd for the end date of the calendar. The so called experts changed it to the 21st to go along with the winter solstice.
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Not so...
The mayans don't use the GREGORIAN calendar
they use the MAYAN Calendar.

Regardless of whether today was the (gregorian date) 10th of May or 12/21/12, it STILL is
Long count 13.0.0.0.0
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Did they include leap years ?.
We will pass through the Seven Years or serve God's Will as martyrs.
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Werent they 100% with their prediction accuracy rate according to the experts? All of a sudden their biggest prediction fails? Hmmmmmm
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13490739


the Mayans were still accurate

the Doom-tards were the Fail

not the date, or the codex or the Mayans

only the Doom-tards
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They will simply misinterprete the next one and the rollercoaster ride starts again.
We will pass through the Seven Years or serve God's Will as martyrs.
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Thread title should be edited to:

How could American popular culture be wrong?

Then the answer to that question becomes self evident. tounge


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The Mayans never predicted doom on this date. This date through modern interpretation was determined to be the end date for their calender. Their calender was just to start over again. Doomtards added the doom component to the ending of their calender, not the actual developers of the calender.
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This has opened up my eyes (metaphorically speaking, since I was never blind).

Humans (Homo sapiens) will use anything, anything at all to their advantage. This process has perversed the mind from intellectual (ancient times) to monetary (modern).
1 Day... U will find what U R l00kin' for.
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Werent they 100% with their prediction accuracy rate according to the experts? All of a sudden their biggest prediction fails? Hmmmmmm
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13490739


Where did you get that the Maya "predicted" anything????

The simply ran out of room on the rock on which they carved their "perpetual" calendar !!

They never made ANY prediction!
 Quoting: SE


People need to stop getting their info off memes on facebook.

It was a 26,000 year cycle that marks a new era which happened to land on December 21 just like our 365 days marks a new year.

Last Edited by Dapurps on 12/21/2012 01:26 PM
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The original date was actually the 23rd for the end date of the calendar. The so called experts changed it to the 21st to go along with the winter solstice.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8780909


Not so...
The mayans don't use the GREGORIAN calendar
they use the MAYAN Calendar.

Regardless of whether today was the (gregorian date) 10th of May or 12/21/12, it STILL is
Long count 13.0.0.0.0
 Quoting: SE


Did they include leap years ?.
 Quoting: Sword of mercy


Leap years?!?!?

leap years are to compensate for the inaccuracies of the Gregorian calendar and have nothing to do with the Mayan calendar!

The breakdown of the Mayan Long Count Calendar from lowest value (1 day = 1 kin) to highest.

kin = 1 day
uinal = 20 kin or 20 days
tun = 18 uinal or 18x20 = 360 days
katun = 20 tun or 20 x (18x20) = 7200 days
baktun = 20 katun or 20 x (20 x (18x20)) = 144,000 days
pictun = 20 baktun or 20 * (20 * (20 * (18*20))) = 2,880,000 days

and the VERY big count continues with
calabtun = 20 pictun
kinchiltun = 20 calabtun
alautun = 20 kinchiltun

alautun.kinchiltun.calabtun.pictun.baktun.katun.tun.uinal.kin​

which we simplify to:
baktun.katun.tun.uinal.kin

or as of today...

13.0.0.0.0

Yesterday 12/20/12 was

12.19.19.17.19

Last Edited by SE on 12/21/2012 01:29 PM
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Werent they 100% with their prediction accuracy rate according to the experts? All of a sudden their biggest prediction fails? Hmmmmmm
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it was a success. the calendar ended.
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Werent they 100% with their prediction accuracy rate according to the experts? All of a sudden their biggest prediction fails? Hmmmmmm
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it was a success. the calendar ended.
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No it didn't
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The Mayans weren't wrong. The non Mayans that came up with an erroneous correlation were wrong and they were wrong about the predictions that they invented and attributed to the Mayas in order to sell books and survival gear.

The correlation is wrong. The cycle ended in 1988.

The start date of the cycle is written in many places as 4 ahau 8 cumkhu. The end date is written as 4 ahau 3 kankin.

A day named 4 ahau occurs every 260 days, but if you pair the day name with the month (3 kankin means the 4th day of the month of kankin, which is a 20 day cycle that corresponds to early April). A day called 4 ahau 3 kankin can only happen once every 52 years. The Mayans weren't stupid. They were dependent on agriculture, so they needed a calendar that would guide them about when it would rain, when to plant the corn, when to harvest. A calendar where a date in April ends up in December wouldn't work for them. An obvious error in correlation to the present day calendar.

Secondly, we know that when Cortes arrived, the year was 1519. The only reason the Aztecs allowed him to land instead of ripping his heart out was because this was the year that their old prophecies stated that Quetzalcoatl would return. They thought he might be their god returning. Bad mistake.

For the Mayas, the year was One Ben. Every 52 years there is a year called One Ben, and the next year, Two Etznab is the only year in the calendar cycle where a day called 4 ahau 3 kankin can occur. So, by simple logic the end date has to occur in a year with this name, which would be 1520, 1572,1624, 1676, 1728, 1780, 1832, 1884, 1936, 1988, etc. A day with that name can never occur in 2012 or in December.

The calendar cycle ended in April 1988. If it didn't, we would have another 52 years before it could happen again.

I really hate that a very bad correlation has been adopted without question by everyone and all sorts of imaginings that have nothing to do with Mayan thought and philosophy have taken hold, and now that the wrong end date has come and gone with no event people will say the Mayas were wrong.
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Werent they 100% with their prediction accuracy rate according to the experts? All of a sudden their biggest prediction fails? Hmmmmmm
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I didn't think they said anything would happen.
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It didn't fail.
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It failed!!!!
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The mayans weren't wrong.

The people who misinterpreted the calander as doom were.

There was an alignment and they were correct on this. They also predicted we would move to a higher state of consciousnesses. Many many people are definitively thinking more than ever before, but considering the amount of mass media dulling the brain, it's easy to see how that could have been calculated wrong.
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THiS!!!!!! :)

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Who said they were wrong? When I look up in the night sky I can see with my own two eyes the alignment of the planets in the solar system.
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The original date was actually the 23rd for the end date of the calendar. The so called experts changed it to the 21st to go along with the winter solstice.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8780909


Not so...
The mayans don't use the GREGORIAN calendar
they use the MAYAN Calendar.

Regardless of whether today was the (gregorian date) 10th of May or 12/21/12, it STILL is
Long count 13.0.0.0.0
 Quoting: SE


Did they include leap years ?.
 Quoting: Sword of mercy


Leap years?!?!?

leap years are to compensate for the inaccuracies of the Gregorian calendar and have nothing to do with the Mayan calendar!

The breakdown of the Mayan Long Count Calendar from lowest value (1 day = 1 kin) to highest.

kin = 1 day
uinal = 20 kin or 20 days
tun = 18 uinal or 18x20 = 360 days
katun = 20 tun or 20 x (18x20) = 7200 days
baktun = 20 katun or 20 x (20 x (18x20)) = 144,000 days
pictun = 20 baktun or 20 * (20 * (20 * (18*20))) = 2,880,000 days

and the VERY big count continues with
calabtun = 20 pictun
kinchiltun = 20 calabtun
alautun = 20 kinchiltun

alautun.kinchiltun.calabtun.pictun.baktun.katun.tun.uinal.kin​

which we simplify to:
baktun.katun.tun.uinal.kin

or as of today...

13.0.0.0.0

Yesterday 12/20/12 was

12.19.19.17.19
 Quoting: SE


Thanks for the reply.
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Postponed due to bad weather.
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Postponed due to bad weather.
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20 virgins sacrificed by TPTB in Sandy Hook??
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The Mayans weren't wrong. The non Mayans that came up with an erroneous correlation were wrong and they were wrong about the predictions that they invented and attributed to the Mayas in order to sell books and survival gear.

The correlation is wrong. The cycle ended in 1988.

The start date of the cycle is written in many places as 4 ahau 8 cumkhu. The end date is written as 4 ahau 3 kankin.

A day named 4 ahau occurs every 260 days, but if you pair the day name with the month (3 kankin means the 4th day of the month of kankin, which is a 20 day cycle that corresponds to early April). A day called 4 ahau 3 kankin can only happen once every 52 years. The Mayans weren't stupid. They were dependent on agriculture, so they needed a calendar that would guide them about when it would rain, when to plant the corn, when to harvest. A calendar where a date in April ends up in December wouldn't work for them. An obvious error in correlation to the present day calendar.

Secondly, we know that when Cortes arrived, the year was 1519. The only reason the Aztecs allowed him to land instead of ripping his heart out was because this was the year that their old prophecies stated that Quetzalcoatl would return. They thought he might be their god returning. Bad mistake.

For the Mayas, the year was One Ben. Every 52 years there is a year called One Ben, and the next year, Two Etznab is the only year in the calendar cycle where a day called 4 ahau 3 kankin can occur. So, by simple logic the end date has to occur in a year with this name, which would be 1520, 1572,1624, 1676, 1728, 1780, 1832, 1884, 1936, 1988, etc. A day with that name can never occur in 2012 or in December.

The calendar cycle ended in April 1988. If it didn't, we would have another 52 years before it could happen again.

I really hate that a very bad correlation has been adopted without question by everyone and all sorts of imaginings that have nothing to do with Mayan thought and philosophy have taken hold, and now that the wrong end date has come and gone with no event people will say the Mayas were wrong.
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At last: thank you
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It didn't fail.
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This ^^^
They didn't predict the end of the world. Just the end of a cycle. Its just a calender.
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We are now ready to turn the page on the "new age" calendar.
let that mayan calendar keep moving... in about 5200 years.. we'll be ready to start another "new age".

Love your kitten in the hat by the way! :)

heart rock

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The Mayans didn't need a leap year because their solar years were 365.25 days long. The years belonging to the east started at sunrise and all of the days in that year started at sunrise also. On the last day of the solar year, the day was extended for a quarter of a day and the new year belonging to the north started at mid day. By the end of 4 years a whole day is accounted for but not counted as a day. That's why the correlation is off, that's why a date, 4 ahau 3 kankin (the end date as recorded in multiple places) that should happen in April ends up in December, according to the bogus Thompson Morley correlation. The end date was celebrated by the few that still preserve the calendar on April 12, 1988. A stone was erected. No doom predicted, just turning the page on a calendar, like we will do on January 1st.
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Werent they 100% with their prediction accuracy rate according to the experts? All of a sudden their biggest prediction fails? Hmmmmmm
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Where did you get that the Maya "predicted" anything????

The simply ran out of room on the rock on which they carved their "perpetual" calendar !!

They never made ANY prediction!
 Quoting: SE


end of the age of materialism. you are incorrect.
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I thought they spoke about the return of quokalotivov somerhing like that
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Werent they 100% with their prediction accuracy rate according to the experts? All of a sudden their biggest prediction fails? Hmmmmmm
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Where did you get that the Maya "predicted" anything????

The simply ran out of room on the rock on which they carved their "perpetual" calendar !!

They never made ANY prediction!
 Quoting: SE


end of the age of materialism. you are incorrect.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29708227


No "prediction" by the Maya is associated with Baktun 13!!
Long count 13.0.0.0.0

The prediction came from interpreters / so-called scholars of the calendar. Their speculations on why the Maya ended the calendar at Baktun 13.
Neglecting the obvious fact that the rock on which it is carved had no more room on it!
 Quoting: SE

Which begs the question:
is there another rock/continuation of that calendar ? Wouldn't surprise me if "they" all the sudden just happen to found another calendar , which most likely they've had for the past 100 years.
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Werent they 100% with their prediction accuracy rate according to the experts? All of a sudden their biggest prediction fails? Hmmmmmm
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Where did you get that the Maya "predicted" anything????

The simply ran out of room on the rock on which they carved their "perpetual" calendar !!

They never made ANY prediction!
 Quoting: SE


end of the age of materialism. you are incorrect.
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I thought they spoke about the return of quokalotivov somerhing like that
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Quetzalcoatl

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