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Sword of mercy User ID: 10523005 United Kingdom 12/21/2012 12:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The original date was actually the 23rd for the end date of the calendar. The so called experts changed it to the 21st to go along with the winter solstice. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8780909 Not so... The mayans don't use the GREGORIAN calendar they use the MAYAN Calendar. Regardless of whether today was the (gregorian date) 10th of May or 12/21/12, it STILL is Long count 13.0.0.0.0 Did they include leap years ?. "Traveling through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops, boy! " |
Sword of mercy User ID: 10523005 United Kingdom 12/21/2012 12:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Werent they 100% with their prediction accuracy rate according to the experts? All of a sudden their biggest prediction fails? Hmmmmmm Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13490739 the Mayans were still accurate the Doom-tards were the Fail not the date, or the codex or the Mayans only the Doom-tards They will simply misinterprete the next one and the rollercoaster ride starts again. "Traveling through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops, boy! " |
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Gerry52 User ID: 5789790 United States 12/21/2012 12:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Mayans never predicted doom on this date. This date through modern interpretation was determined to be the end date for their calender. Their calender was just to start over again. Doomtards added the doom component to the ending of their calender, not the actual developers of the calender. I know the voices aren't real, but man do they come up with some great ideas! Semper Fi USMC Very much an Occams Razor kind of guy. Bridging the gap between "It can't happen to us" and "We're all going to die". |
War Lord User ID: 19364503 United States 12/21/2012 12:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Humans (Homo sapiens) will use anything, anything at all to their advantage. This process has perversed the mind from intellectual (ancient times) to monetary (modern). 1 Day... U will find what U R l00kin' for. |
Dapurps User ID: 30555588 Canada 12/21/2012 12:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Werent they 100% with their prediction accuracy rate according to the experts? All of a sudden their biggest prediction fails? Hmmmmmm Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13490739 Where did you get that the Maya "predicted" anything???? The simply ran out of room on the rock on which they carved their "perpetual" calendar !! They never made ANY prediction! People need to stop getting their info off memes on facebook. It was a 26,000 year cycle that marks a new era which happened to land on December 21 just like our 365 days marks a new year. Last Edited by Dapurps on 12/21/2012 01:26 PM "What you perceive to be becomes your reality." :ftwpanda: dapurps |
SE User ID: 1673157 Canada 12/21/2012 01:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The original date was actually the 23rd for the end date of the calendar. The so called experts changed it to the 21st to go along with the winter solstice. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8780909 Not so... The mayans don't use the GREGORIAN calendar they use the MAYAN Calendar. Regardless of whether today was the (gregorian date) 10th of May or 12/21/12, it STILL is Long count 13.0.0.0.0 Did they include leap years ?. Leap years?!?!? leap years are to compensate for the inaccuracies of the Gregorian calendar and have nothing to do with the Mayan calendar! The breakdown of the Mayan Long Count Calendar from lowest value (1 day = 1 kin) to highest. kin = 1 day uinal = 20 kin or 20 days tun = 18 uinal or 18x20 = 360 days katun = 20 tun or 20 x (18x20) = 7200 days baktun = 20 katun or 20 x (20 x (18x20)) = 144,000 days pictun = 20 baktun or 20 * (20 * (20 * (18*20))) = 2,880,000 days and the VERY big count continues with calabtun = 20 pictun kinchiltun = 20 calabtun alautun = 20 kinchiltun alautun.kinchiltun.calabtun.pictun.baktun.katun.tun.uinal.kin which we simplify to: baktun.katun.tun.uinal.kin or as of today... 13.0.0.0.0 Yesterday 12/20/12 was 12.19.19.17.19 Last Edited by SE on 12/21/2012 01:29 PM |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 10422385 Canada 12/21/2012 01:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The correlation is wrong. The cycle ended in 1988. The start date of the cycle is written in many places as 4 ahau 8 cumkhu. The end date is written as 4 ahau 3 kankin. A day named 4 ahau occurs every 260 days, but if you pair the day name with the month (3 kankin means the 4th day of the month of kankin, which is a 20 day cycle that corresponds to early April). A day called 4 ahau 3 kankin can only happen once every 52 years. The Mayans weren't stupid. They were dependent on agriculture, so they needed a calendar that would guide them about when it would rain, when to plant the corn, when to harvest. A calendar where a date in April ends up in December wouldn't work for them. An obvious error in correlation to the present day calendar. Secondly, we know that when Cortes arrived, the year was 1519. The only reason the Aztecs allowed him to land instead of ripping his heart out was because this was the year that their old prophecies stated that Quetzalcoatl would return. They thought he might be their god returning. Bad mistake. For the Mayas, the year was One Ben. Every 52 years there is a year called One Ben, and the next year, Two Etznab is the only year in the calendar cycle where a day called 4 ahau 3 kankin can occur. So, by simple logic the end date has to occur in a year with this name, which would be 1520, 1572,1624, 1676, 1728, 1780, 1832, 1884, 1936, 1988, etc. A day with that name can never occur in 2012 or in December. The calendar cycle ended in April 1988. If it didn't, we would have another 52 years before it could happen again. I really hate that a very bad correlation has been adopted without question by everyone and all sorts of imaginings that have nothing to do with Mayan thought and philosophy have taken hold, and now that the wrong end date has come and gone with no event people will say the Mayas were wrong. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 21611300 United States 12/21/2012 01:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The mayans weren't wrong. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15680976 The people who misinterpreted the calander as doom were. There was an alignment and they were correct on this. They also predicted we would move to a higher state of consciousnesses. Many many people are definitively thinking more than ever before, but considering the amount of mass media dulling the brain, it's easy to see how that could have been calculated wrong. THiS!!!!!! :) |
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Sword of mercy User ID: 10523005 United Kingdom 12/21/2012 01:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The original date was actually the 23rd for the end date of the calendar. The so called experts changed it to the 21st to go along with the winter solstice. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8780909 Not so... The mayans don't use the GREGORIAN calendar they use the MAYAN Calendar. Regardless of whether today was the (gregorian date) 10th of May or 12/21/12, it STILL is Long count 13.0.0.0.0 Did they include leap years ?. Leap years?!?!? leap years are to compensate for the inaccuracies of the Gregorian calendar and have nothing to do with the Mayan calendar! The breakdown of the Mayan Long Count Calendar from lowest value (1 day = 1 kin) to highest. kin = 1 day uinal = 20 kin or 20 days tun = 18 uinal or 18x20 = 360 days katun = 20 tun or 20 x (18x20) = 7200 days baktun = 20 katun or 20 x (20 x (18x20)) = 144,000 days pictun = 20 baktun or 20 * (20 * (20 * (18*20))) = 2,880,000 days and the VERY big count continues with calabtun = 20 pictun kinchiltun = 20 calabtun alautun = 20 kinchiltun alautun.kinchiltun.calabtun.pictun.baktun.katun.tun.uinal.kin which we simplify to: baktun.katun.tun.uinal.kin or as of today... 13.0.0.0.0 Yesterday 12/20/12 was 12.19.19.17.19 Thanks for the reply. "Traveling through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops, boy! " |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 30570171 United Kingdom 12/21/2012 02:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Mayans weren't wrong. The non Mayans that came up with an erroneous correlation were wrong and they were wrong about the predictions that they invented and attributed to the Mayas in order to sell books and survival gear. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10422385 The correlation is wrong. The cycle ended in 1988. The start date of the cycle is written in many places as 4 ahau 8 cumkhu. The end date is written as 4 ahau 3 kankin. A day named 4 ahau occurs every 260 days, but if you pair the day name with the month (3 kankin means the 4th day of the month of kankin, which is a 20 day cycle that corresponds to early April). A day called 4 ahau 3 kankin can only happen once every 52 years. The Mayans weren't stupid. They were dependent on agriculture, so they needed a calendar that would guide them about when it would rain, when to plant the corn, when to harvest. A calendar where a date in April ends up in December wouldn't work for them. An obvious error in correlation to the present day calendar. Secondly, we know that when Cortes arrived, the year was 1519. The only reason the Aztecs allowed him to land instead of ripping his heart out was because this was the year that their old prophecies stated that Quetzalcoatl would return. They thought he might be their god returning. Bad mistake. For the Mayas, the year was One Ben. Every 52 years there is a year called One Ben, and the next year, Two Etznab is the only year in the calendar cycle where a day called 4 ahau 3 kankin can occur. So, by simple logic the end date has to occur in a year with this name, which would be 1520, 1572,1624, 1676, 1728, 1780, 1832, 1884, 1936, 1988, etc. A day with that name can never occur in 2012 or in December. The calendar cycle ended in April 1988. If it didn't, we would have another 52 years before it could happen again. I really hate that a very bad correlation has been adopted without question by everyone and all sorts of imaginings that have nothing to do with Mayan thought and philosophy have taken hold, and now that the wrong end date has come and gone with no event people will say the Mayas were wrong. At last: thank you |
my2centsworth User ID: 5382682 Canada 12/21/2012 02:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This ^^^ They didn't predict the end of the world. Just the end of a cycle. Its just a calender. We are now ready to turn the page on the "new age" calendar. let that mayan calendar keep moving... in about 5200 years.. we'll be ready to start another "new age". Love your kitten in the hat by the way! :) Last Edited by my2centsworth on 12/21/2012 02:20 PM |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 29482550 Canada 12/21/2012 02:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Werent they 100% with their prediction accuracy rate according to the experts? All of a sudden their biggest prediction fails? Hmmmmmm Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13490739 Where did you get that the Maya "predicted" anything???? The simply ran out of room on the rock on which they carved their "perpetual" calendar !! They never made ANY prediction! end of the age of materialism. you are incorrect. I thought they spoke about the return of quokalotivov somerhing like that |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 17385372 United States 12/21/2012 02:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Werent they 100% with their prediction accuracy rate according to the experts? All of a sudden their biggest prediction fails? Hmmmmmm Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13490739 Where did you get that the Maya "predicted" anything???? The simply ran out of room on the rock on which they carved their "perpetual" calendar !! They never made ANY prediction! end of the age of materialism. you are incorrect. No "prediction" by the Maya is associated with Baktun 13!! Long count 13.0.0.0.0 The prediction came from interpreters / so-called scholars of the calendar. Their speculations on why the Maya ended the calendar at Baktun 13. Neglecting the obvious fact that the rock on which it is carved had no more room on it! Which begs the question: is there another rock/continuation of that calendar ? Wouldn't surprise me if "they" all the sudden just happen to found another calendar , which most likely they've had for the past 100 years. |
SE User ID: 1673157 Canada 12/21/2012 02:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Werent they 100% with their prediction accuracy rate according to the experts? All of a sudden their biggest prediction fails? Hmmmmmm Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13490739 Where did you get that the Maya "predicted" anything???? The simply ran out of room on the rock on which they carved their "perpetual" calendar !! They never made ANY prediction! end of the age of materialism. you are incorrect. I thought they spoke about the return of quokalotivov somerhing like that Quetzalcoatl see [link to en.wikipedia.org] |