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NRA Press Conference 11am Live From Whinington Dc (Transcript/Video pg 1 & 8)

 
Riverman
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Though we haven't talked about the main topic that you responded to, which is that it is silly to blame any "thing" ie. video games, movies, TV shows, guns, knives, machetes, railroad ties, etc. for something like this, we should look at the individual.

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Maybe we should specify it then, right?

I have mentioned it a few times before: with freedom comes responsibility.

Next to that: the general 'american dream' seems to be, 'you can make it if you try': I personally agree with that motto, but at least with the notion that:
- You cant make it alone, you need all kind of people: it isnt so individualistic as some of you make it out to be.
- Individualism is somewhat overrated in the USA. I agree with the idea that every individual should be able to be succesfull, no matter what his skincolour, race, background or religion is. But individual succes also leads to consequences, it influences other people (in good, bad or neutral ways): even with individual succes you owe for a large part to people you have dealt with.

To give some answers:
- You say that the USA offers a lot of opportunities for individuals: i tend to doubt it. Maybe on a commercial / business level, but as this site shows you get a lot of jesusfreaks / conspiracy-monkey's / way too political correct people on your back. All rather ignorant and shallow: like that fake prodent smile and botox cheeks many of your actors show.
- Why do some people when you question their gun possesion get so 'spasmatic'? Because they are plain ignorant: they simple want to shoot beercans with their semi-automatic riffle, because 'that is their freedom', they want to kill deers because that appears tough, cool and manly, and because that is 'their freedom'.

They seem to forget that they are part of some society, instead of simply being a bunch of individuals. They seem to ignore that twisted ones 'abuse that kind of freedom' to kill innocent school kids.

Is it really worth to schow how redneck, right-wing or millitia-like you are, when some fucker kills innocent school-children because you want to maintain the right to carry semi-automatic weapons?
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Murders do not obey the law, so the answer cannot be new laws, or even stricter enforcement of laws.

How about this:

Life is dangerous, get over it or get out of it, the choice is yours.
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The right to bear arms is, on this topic, mostly provoked by shortminded, stupid evangelicals.

Phenomenon shows how less she knows about life here.
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Life is dangerous, get over it or get out of it, the choice is yours.

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Life is dangerous in some redneck mind. Get a grip.
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How can you tell who's the good guy with a gun and who is the bad guy?
Just because he wears a badge he s supposed to be a good guy?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1123472


That is the EXACT reason we have a Second Amendment! Looks like you are learning after all....
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How does someone from another country - say "we"? Just asking.
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The flags don't tell you where the poster is from -- all they do is tell you where the poster is (unless they're using a proxy).

Many people vacation or work outside their country of origin.
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NRA Preparing To "Push Back" Against The Gun Control Idiots
"If we're going to have a conversation, then let's have a comprehensive conversation," said one industry source. "If we're going to talk about the Second Amendment, then let's also talk about the First Amendment, and Hollywood, and the video games that teach young kids how to shoot heads."
[link to www.foxnews.com]
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I agree. Until the programmed violence that comes through the media, movie industry, video games,etc ..this will not stop. We have to change our thinking process people.
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In al of the pages and pages of these threads I have yet to one single argument that states why someone needs an assault rifle?
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Obvious troll is obvious

skull_fing
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Just giving my opinion. It's a forum remember.....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1123472


What's your opinion on this quote?

"If you outlaw guns only outlaws will have guns"
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Outlaws have guns for different purposes than mentally ill. They do not go out and randomly shoot people because of little voices in their heads.

Now how about that?
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It makes no sense to pass laws as the result of the actions of crazy people. No law in the world is going to stop a lunatic from behaving like a lunatic.

Why should sane people be penalized just because some folks are nuts?
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All of the schools in my city have a cop in them. Have for a few years now.
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12/21/2012 08:17 PM
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In al of the pages and pages of these threads I have yet to one single argument that states why someone needs an assault rifle?
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The Second Amendment of the US Constitution clearly states the reason why. (HINT: It's the same reason why Hitler did not invade Switzerland during WWII.)
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I am having a difficult time grasping the logic of the anti-gun crowd. Do they really believe that people who commit crimes and plan evil deeds are going to magically get religion and turn in all their weapons because some bureaucrats say they must? Criminals are not allowed to posess firearms now! Why haven't the anti-gun politicians done something about that instead of trying to turn myself and my family into helpless victims like those poor babies last Friday.

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For fuck sake, DON'T let these criminals get religious, because it's mostly the conservative religious crowd who is defending unlimitated gun-possession as some sort of 'freedom'.

Keep whining about these poor babies please, it appears pathetic. These poor babies in Christown were first of all the results of the kind of policies the likes of you keep defending (sorry to be so harsh, but it is the truth).

There IS a difference about having the right to posess a certain type of fire-arm and actually using it (look at the stats in Canada and Switzerland for example).

Maybe in those countries people deal with their weapons a bit more level-heaved? Maybe a bit too much people in the USA use their right to posess such a weapon as a way to show off / for 'machismo' / or are often using their fear or disdain for the federal government / the liberal parts of the country as some sort of 'excuse' for it.

And if you relationship with your fire-arms is a bit 'wonky' psychologically, maybe you think the same applies to all other people who posess these kind of weapons.

Often i have the idea that evangelical, rightwing, midwesterners / southerners (at least, they think they are) try to protect their values, including the gun thing, out of some sort of minority complex. And its probably more easy for them to maintain their victim role, then to admit: yeah, me and my folks might have become a bit needlessly stubborn.
They seem to label the right to carry fire-arms as part of their 'identity' and everyone who questions that, gets slagged. In short: sentiments / insecurities are placed above common sense among that group of people: out of kindness you can give them the benefit of the doubt for some time, but at certain point its a matter of: enough is enough.
 Quoting: Riverman 1487773


Based off your last few statements you are obviously living in la la land.

Do you have criminals that run about freely in your country because the tax paid police cannot or will not arrest them. Or when they do arrest them they let them free 6 months later to continue their crimes.

Most citizens of the US own guns to hunt and protect their families from criminals it's that simple.

You can spew all of the rhetoric you want, just like the msm will, but it just proves how little you understand of a complicated issue in a large and diverse country.
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12/22/2012 01:41 AM
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Though we haven't talked about the main topic that you responded to, which is that it is silly to blame any "thing" ie. video games, movies, TV shows, guns, knives, machetes, railroad ties, etc. for something like this, we should look at the individual.

Reaction:
Maybe we should specify it then, right?

I have mentioned it a few times before: with freedom comes responsibility.

Next to that: the general 'american dream' seems to be, 'you can make it if you try': I personally agree with that motto, but at least with the notion that:
- You cant make it alone, you need all kind of people: it isnt so individualistic as some of you make it out to be.
- Individualism is somewhat overrated in the USA. I agree with the idea that every individual should be able to be succesfull, no matter what his skincolour, race, background or religion is. But individual succes also leads to consequences, it influences other people (in good, bad or neutral ways): even with individual succes you owe for a large part to people you have dealt with.

To give some answers:
- You say that the USA offers a lot of opportunities for individuals: i tend to doubt it. Maybe on a commercial / business level, but as this site shows you get a lot of jesusfreaks / conspiracy-monkey's / way too political correct people on your back. All rather ignorant and shallow: like that fake prodent smile and botox cheeks many of your actors show.
- Why do some people when you question their gun possesion get so 'spasmatic'? Because they are plain ignorant: they simple want to shoot beercans with their semi-automatic riffle, because 'that is their freedom', they want to kill deers because that appears tough, cool and manly, and because that is 'their freedom'.

They seem to forget that they are part of some society, instead of simply being a bunch of individuals. They seem to ignore that twisted ones 'abuse that kind of freedom' to kill innocent school kids.

Is it really worth to schow how redneck, right-wing or millitia-like you are, when some fucker kills innocent school-children because you want to maintain the right to carry semi-automatic weapons?
 Quoting: Riverman 1487773


I'm starting to think that you have never met an American in your life and have gotten yourself in way over your head on this one. You're trampling all over sacred ground, so to speak, here.

Let's see, so far you have trashed America's religious heritage, rugged individualism, gun rights, and freedom. All that's really left for you to do now is rant about the evils of baseball and apple pie.

I truly hope you're just venting. Because if you're trying win Americans over to your way of thinking, I'd say you're SOL.
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Oops, typo. That should say "trying to win Americans over".
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In al of the pages and pages of these threads I have yet to one single argument that states why someone needs an assault rifle?
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a check and balance from ouur govt and dangerous ppl like YOU

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