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The Ongoing Collapse Of Argentina, Part Deux...

 
Saddletramp
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The Ongoing Collapse Of Argentina, Part Deux...
How many times can Communism collapse until the people finally throw them out on their ear?!?!?

If you were wondering why the Argentinian leadership were unwilling to pay off a few 'annoying' hedge funds with a few billion dollars (and were pissed about losing one yacht), then perhaps this report from the BBC will enlighten. Argentina authorities have sent hundreds of troops to the southern city of Bariloche after a spate of looting. Critically, Bariloche is not some shanty-town, it is one of the nation's most popular ski resorts and 'relatively' affluent. The following clip sums up the dangerous situation the nation finds itself in, despite the government's assurances that this is a "false picture of social and political collapse." Looks real to us?


[link to www.zerohedge.com]

In case you were paying attention, America is following the same political and economic model Argentina did on the road to this...

drevil
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How many times can Communism collapse until the people finally throw them out on their ear?!?!?

If you were wondering why the Argentinian leadership were unwilling to pay off a few 'annoying' hedge funds with a few billion dollars (and were pissed about losing one yacht), then perhaps this report from the BBC will enlighten. Argentina authorities have sent hundreds of troops to the southern city of Bariloche after a spate of looting. Critically, Bariloche is not some shanty-town, it is one of the nation's most popular ski resorts and 'relatively' affluent. The following clip sums up the dangerous situation the nation finds itself in, despite the government's assurances that this is a "false picture of social and political collapse." Looks real to us?


[link to www.zerohedge.com]

In case you were paying attention, America is following the same political and economic model Argentina did on the road to this...

drevil
 Quoting: Saddletramp


This time if the argentinians grow some balls, it may get ugly, the left wing gov is actually on the side of the looters, and has given orders to the police not to stop looting. So is up to the people to defend themselves. In fact, is not in the english speaking media, and is not very publicised here either, but shop owners are shooting to looters.
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Thread: DOOMSDAY RIOTS: Stores in Southern Argentina been looted right now!
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You expect the BBC to tell you the truth about anything? Trust me, this type of looting is not currently the norm in Argentina. There are many problems here currently, but that isn't a common one at all. And the "looters" were more likely stealing food to feed their families than "electronics, toys and clothes". Given the very high inflation here, everyone other than the elite is getting seriously squeezed by ever-higher prices, especially for food. That being said, Argentina as a whole is coping remarkably well with its ongoing economic collapse, probably because it's home to a highly-educated, civilized society. And besides, the Argentines are used to this shit.

Also, the article is bullshit in other ways as well. It makes light of the fact that the Argentine government was "unwilling to pay off a few 'annoying' hedge funds with a few billion dollars (and were pissed about losing one yacht)", but the real reason they didn't want to pay off the hedge funds was that they were vulture funds who bought up Argentine government debt from the last debt default (in 2001) for pennies on the dollar and are now trying to extort full payment for those bonds, with the full backing of Western courts of law. The "one yacht" was seized by one of said vulture funds, with the blessing, again, of Western courts.

You'd better know whose side is the right one to be on going forward, and the side represented by this BBC propaganda hit piece ain't it.
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12/21/2012 12:18 PM
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You tell him. May the Argentinans tell the bankers to fuck off.
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And get rid of that Jewish princess called a president.
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except we are as capitalist as a country could be...
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This is really scary, its escalating really fucking fast

the rioters are extremely violent and organized
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You tell him. May the Argentinans tell the bankers to fuck off.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27670425


The average Argentine knows the IMF (called the FMI here) was responsible, in large part, for the economic collapse in 2001. And guess who's played a major part in ensuring that the current collapse continues apace? You got it. Fuck the bankers.
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You tell him. May the Argentinans tell the bankers to fuck off.
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The average Argentine knows the IMF (called the FMI here) was responsible, in large part, for the economic collapse in 2001. And guess who's played a major part in ensuring that the current collapse continues apace? You got it. Fuck the bankers.
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do you think this situation is similar to 2001?

Im asking cause I have no idea what the hell is going on
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You tell him. May the Argentinans tell the bankers to fuck off.
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The average Argentine knows the IMF (called the FMI here) was responsible, in large part, for the economic collapse in 2001. And guess who's played a major part in ensuring that the current collapse continues apace? You got it. Fuck the bankers.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30519156


do you think this situation is similar to 2001?

Im asking cause I have no idea what the hell is going on
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29937959


I'm torn on that myself. I was convinced that the current president was the primary cause of the recent descent of Argentina back into the throes of what appears to be another sure economic collapse, but now I have my doubts. A very smart couple I know here believes that the forces opposing the government are the true cause, and are being run externally by such benevolent entities as the IMF and Goldman Sachs. On the surface, much of what the president is doing appears to be insane and suicidal, with regards to the economic well-being of the country, but the same could be said for Chavez in Venezuela, and the truth of the matter is that Chavez is trying like hell to free his country from the grip of the Zionists. I'm open to the possibility that Cristina is attempting to do the same here.

To answer your question, I think the major difference between 2001 and today is that, in 2001, there was basically a unilateral front that was working to destroy the country. (No one could legitimately argue that Menem wasn't working for the Zionists. The day he pegged the peso one to one with the U.S. dollar, he was well aware it would result in an eventual peso crash.) Today, in contrast, there appear to be two opposing forces battling over control of the country (Cristina and her government on one side and the Zionist forces on the other.) I believe the tug of war between those two forces is resulting in a slower, different kind of crash than that which occurred in 2001. Now it appears that hyperinflation is the more likely outcome this time, instead of a default and sudden stop, as occurred in 2001.

The truth is that I don't know who's really running the show here, and I may very well be giving Cristina credit she doesn't deserve; she could very well be up to her eyeballs in Zionist evil, aiding and abetting them at every turn. My instinct tells me that isn't the case, though. Regardless, what we're seeing now is basically the afterimage of the 2001 crash. The IMF and other Zionist financial entities are trying their damnedest to ensure that Argentina does not prosper by dint of its 2001 default, but instead is eventually pulled back down into an economic morass. That's why Western courts are siding with the vulture funds that bought up Argentine debt from 2001 for almost nothing; those courts are Zionist-run, and so will side with the Zionist agenda -- keeping lesser-developed countries from being able to develop, so that the Zionists can more easily exploit them and steal their resources. Picture a plane trying to get off the ground, but there being an invisible tether between the plane and terra firma that ensures that it will never actually be able to take off. That is the tether the Zionists are making sure is enforced between the 2001 default and today; they're leveraging what happened here in 2001, in any way they can, to make sure that Argentina stays just as fucked up and economically undeveloped as possible. It's amazing, in light of this shit, that Argentina is such a great country in so many ways. I can only imagine what it will be like some day in the absence of Zionist intervention.
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And get rid of that Jewish princess called a president.
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clappa
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Re: The Ongoing Collapse Of Argentina, Part Deux...
How many times can Communism collapse until the people finally throw them out on their ear?!?!?

If you were wondering why the Argentinian leadership were unwilling to pay off a few 'annoying' hedge funds with a few billion dollars (and were pissed about losing one yacht), then perhaps this report from the BBC will enlighten. Argentina authorities have sent hundreds of troops to the southern city of Bariloche after a spate of looting. Critically, Bariloche is not some shanty-town, it is one of the nation's most popular ski resorts and 'relatively' affluent. The following clip sums up the dangerous situation the nation finds itself in, despite the government's assurances that this is a "false picture of social and political collapse." Looks real to us?


[link to www.zerohedge.com]

In case you were paying attention, America is following the same political and economic model Argentina did on the road to this...

drevil
 Quoting: Saddletramp


Thanks for the report. This is pretty significant...
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Sending Christmas prayers for Argentina.
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You tell him. May the Argentinans tell the bankers to fuck off.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27670425


The average Argentine knows the IMF (called the FMI here) was responsible, in large part, for the economic collapse in 2001. And guess who's played a major part in ensuring that the current collapse continues apace? You got it. Fuck the bankers.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30519156


do you think this situation is similar to 2001?

Im asking cause I have no idea what the hell is going on
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29937959


I'm torn on that myself. I was convinced that the current president was the primary cause of the recent descent of Argentina back into the throes of what appears to be another sure economic collapse, but now I have my doubts. A very smart couple I know here believes that the forces opposing the government are the true cause, and are being run externally by such benevolent entities as the IMF and Goldman Sachs. On the surface, much of what the president is doing appears to be insane and suicidal, with regards to the economic well-being of the country, but the same could be said for Chavez in Venezuela, and the truth of the matter is that Chavez is trying like hell to free his country from the grip of the Zionists. I'm open to the possibility that Cristina is attempting to do the same here.

To answer your question, I think the major difference between 2001 and today is that, in 2001, there was basically a unilateral front that was working to destroy the country. (No one could legitimately argue that Menem wasn't working for the Zionists. The day he pegged the peso one to one with the U.S. dollar, he was well aware it would result in an eventual peso crash.) Today, in contrast, there appear to be two opposing forces battling over control of the country (Cristina and her government on one side and the Zionist forces on the other.) I believe the tug of war between those two forces is resulting in a slower, different kind of crash than that which occurred in 2001. Now it appears that hyperinflation is the more likely outcome this time, instead of a default and sudden stop, as occurred in 2001.

The truth is that I don't know who's really running the show here, and I may very well be giving Cristina credit she doesn't deserve; she could very well be up to her eyeballs in Zionist evil, aiding and abetting them at every turn. My instinct tells me that isn't the case, though. Regardless, what we're seeing now is basically the afterimage of the 2001 crash. The IMF and other Zionist financial entities are trying their damnedest to ensure that Argentina does not prosper by dint of its 2001 default, but instead is eventually pulled back down into an economic morass. That's why Western courts are siding with the vulture funds that bought up Argentine debt from 2001 for almost nothing; those courts are Zionist-run, and so will side with the Zionist agenda -- keeping lesser-developed countries from being able to develop, so that the Zionists can more easily exploit them and steal their resources. Picture a plane trying to get off the ground, but there being an invisible tether between the plane and terra firma that ensures that it will never actually be able to take off. That is the tether the Zionists are making sure is enforced between the 2001 default and today; they're leveraging what happened here in 2001, in any way they can, to make sure that Argentina stays just as fucked up and economically undeveloped as possible. It's amazing, in light of this shit, that Argentina is such a great country in so many ways. I can only imagine what it will be like some day in the absence of Zionist intervention.
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I appreciate your take, if you ask me the zionists and the kirchners are pretty much the same, you cant call this democracy if theres not an alternative to the kirchners. the same with venezuela, i know hes keeping oil revenues in the country but like in argentina the only sectors that are growing are the poor and the wealthy. And the last election the choice was chavez or washinton/the city of london.

Going back to Argentina, its weird cause the government supports palestine but on the other hand accuses Iran of bombing Amia claiming to have evidence they dont show
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Re: The Ongoing Collapse Of Argentina, Part Deux...
How many times can Communism collapse until the people finally throw them out on their ear?!?!?

If you were wondering why the Argentinian leadership were unwilling to pay off a few 'annoying' hedge funds with a few billion dollars (and were pissed about losing one yacht), then perhaps this report from the BBC will enlighten. Argentina authorities have sent hundreds of troops to the southern city of Bariloche after a spate of looting. Critically, Bariloche is not some shanty-town, it is one of the nation's most popular ski resorts and 'relatively' affluent. The following clip sums up the dangerous situation the nation finds itself in, despite the government's assurances that this is a "false picture of social and political collapse." Looks real to us?


[link to www.zerohedge.com]

In case you were paying attention, America is following the same political and economic model Argentina did on the road to this...

drevil
 Quoting: Saddletramp


Worth watching what happened in 2001 and why....we are on the same road.



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Last Edited by Useless Cookie Eater on 12/26/2012 11:24 AM
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Because the bananas go here ... Mexico city has no farms in the dessert and a flat tower area with flocking dirt shacks realy is awfull.

After a while they have shacks on those flat roofs ?
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wow are they in trouble. not going to lift a finger in help either if its not to throw the gov out. :)
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Because the bananas go here ... Mexico city has no farms in the dessert and a flat tower area with flocking dirt shacks realy is awfull.

After a while they have shacks on those flat roofs ?
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what the hell are you talking about?
why dont you get your ass to a roof or something, if the ice caps keep melting your gonna need a boat to get to work
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age 33?
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Argentine minister Ivan Heyn dies at Mercosur summit
age 33


heart attacks?
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Corruption allegations against Argenitina's rulers
Jul 11th 2007
From The Economist Intelligence Unit ViewsWire

Following a string of recent corruption allegations, the administration of President Néstor Kirchner is being hit with a new brouhaha surrounding his economy minister, Felisa Miceli. The case could damage Mr Kirchner's image by adding to a growing perception that corruption runs deep in his government. Ms Miceli may ultimately be sacrificed. However, the incident will have little if any effect on economic policy, which is largely run directly by the president and his inner circle. Nor is it likely to undermine his wife's prospects in the October 28th presidential elections.

Accusations of irregularities and payoffs, particularly in public-works and other government contracts, have been made since 2005, but only in recent months have they been accompanied by evidence. The case of a large natural-gas pipeline project, which surfaced in March, may involve as much as US$25m in illegal payments to government officials, according to opposition politicians and a judge. At least one foreign company, Sweden's Skanska, has been implicated.

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