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UPDATE: Sandy Hook Inconsistencies Abound - Survivors from Ms. Soto's class - Censored by WTIC radio

 
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6-year-old kids would NOT go running out to escape just because they heard the guns stop. 6-year-olds would not escape all together like that and run down the road!!! 10-year-olds MIGHT do something like that. Maybe a couple of 6-year-olds would be that brave to venture into the hall where a scary man was just shooting, but I know children that age, and they would still be cowering in the closet until found. This must be a lie!
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That is a very good point, never really gave it much thought but I think this is pretty true.
 Quoting: Krystle|Ann


Consider how that relates to the official timeline.

Lanza's gun jams and an undetermined number of kids run out.

If you go by Sedensky's summary, this happened before the first cops arrived; thus they didn't see the kids running.

Remember, by all media accounts right up until last month's release of Sedensky's report said Lanza went to Rousseau's FIRST and then to Soto's, and killed himself there.

In his summary, Sedensky is unable say which room Lanza went first. I repeat: after 11 months, Sedensky can't say which room he went into first. Think about that. The ambiguity is significant.



It just doesn't add up.
 Quoting: oidalG 36580764


Considering Cario's leak to the Courant (that Soto's kids stated they didn't hear anything until a gunman burst into the room) I think two gunmen may have burst in simultaneously--one into Soto's, one into Rousseau's. That's why so many shots were heard, so many shots later needed to be accounted for, why Gene Rosen described the sounds as [fast] "pop-pop-pop-pop-pop." Just a theory. Still doesn't explain lack of blood or strange parent behavior.

If two shooters burst in simultaneously at, say, 9:05, though, and the children had literally been deceased for almost 45 minutes before they were found, I don't know; I suppose if officers literally forbade anyone to enter...

But it's still unrealistic. Chapman headed out the front door at a run, supposedly, with a wounded child; Cario and Dragon each took out one or more children each, and kids in Soto's room ran through blood, as well as Hatcher in Rousseau's room who was "covered in blood." That's still just too much blood, imo, to remain 100% contained.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 51727233


How come Mergim B. says he saw three children being taken out of the school by the cops and were ALL FEMALE?

There are other conflicting stories that say that the two injured kids that later died were a BOY and a GIRL?
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That's interesting, I had never noticed that before. Do you have a link to where Mergim B. says that?
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[link to www.nbcconnecticut.com]

A little ways down the page to the left is an interview where he describes what he saw to a reporter.
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Nice Sticky! Yes.....Mergim hmmmmm.... the kid with two different jackets he was wearing that "day". Or was it "those" days that he was on set to take still pic's and another day to do the video's. Things that make you go hmmm?!
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Thanks for the link.

Now's the time to re-interview "witnesses" like him.
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6-year-old kids would NOT go running out to escape just because they heard the guns stop. 6-year-olds would not escape all together like that and run down the road!!! 10-year-olds MIGHT do something like that. Maybe a couple of 6-year-olds would be that brave to venture into the hall where a scary man was just shooting, but I know children that age, and they would still be cowering in the closet until found. This must be a lie!
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That is a very good point, never really gave it much thought but I think this is pretty true.
 Quoting: Krystle|Ann


Consider how that relates to the official timeline.

Lanza's gun jams and an undetermined number of kids run out.

If you go by Sedensky's summary, this happened before the first cops arrived; thus they didn't see the kids running.

Remember, by all media accounts right up until last month's release of Sedensky's report said Lanza went to Rousseau's FIRST and then to Soto's, and killed himself there.

In his summary, Sedensky is unable say which room Lanza went first. I repeat: after 11 months, Sedensky can't say which room he went into first. Think about that. The ambiguity is significant.



It just doesn't add up.
 Quoting: oidalG 36580764


Gladio.. I know you know this already, but good for all to hear: this is exactly why it's good to comb over all of these older threads for info... Not only does it help 'refresh' all of the information, but now that we have the report to compare things to we are able to find out *who knows what*!

hf You are such a strong force, G-man..I'm sorry for sounding like I'm kissing your ass but you have been a natural leader and positive energy regarding this right from the very start.

Considering the amount of time and energy you have put into all of this, you will certainly have much to gain in the long run. Your time to shine might just come, considering all that has developed in this whole year since.


You always have my support and upmost respect.
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 Quoting: Krystle|Ann


It's nice of you to say those things.

I am thinking of running for the Ct. legislature, on a platform of exposing Sandy Hook. Even if I didn't win, the candidacy could draw attention, and ultimately result in a more thorough examination of the facts.
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How come Mergim B. says he saw three children being taken out of the school by the cops and were ALL FEMALE?
 Quoting: Stickywicket


Your comment reminds me of something...that reminds me of something else.

Bajraliu is standing in front of the school with several other unnamed witnesses.

In their interview with Cooper on that CNN prog...Michelle Gay also said she was standing in front of the school watching them bring kids out.

How the fuck did all these people get to the front of the school/parking lot...but yet there are no emts or ambulances?

One other point...

In the timeline it says 3 newtown cops pulled into the parking lot and 2 parked by the ball field. Their cars can be seen in aerial footage parked behind the firetruck that's there.

BEHIND the firetruck that's there. The firetruck was there first?
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At this link, go to picture 91. The caption says " A police officer leads two women and a child from Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown..."

They are holding hands, running. No blood. And it looks like a woman and two children with the police officer to me, though I could be wrong. It is an older police officer.

There is one other person in the background, basically a shadow, right by the front of the school.

[link to www.nbcnews.com]
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At this link, go to picture 91. The caption says " A police officer leads two women and a child from Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown..."

They are holding hands, running. No blood. And it looks like a woman and two children with the police officer to me, though I could be wrong. It is an older police officer.

There is one other person in the background, basically a shadow, right by the front of the school.

[link to www.nbcnews.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2822082


Here's a direct link to a high res.

It's a cop in the background...with his back to the school.

[link to columbian.media.clients.ellingtoncms.com]
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Strange...when that same grandfather was on CNN he told them the kids hid in the closet UNTILL they escaped some how maybe when the shooter left for the next classroom I don't know. Then they walked down the road and went to this guys house and sat in his driveway but not before the bus driver randomly saw them and stayed with them in the driveway.

My biggest question is who heard Ms. Soto say "the kids are in the auditorium." This statement has been rehashed many times on cnn fox etc. I just wonder how they got it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8194616


The quote of Soto is likely complete bullshit just like they said Thorne was a hero running around locking doors when in fact he was on 911 the whole time.

Then they said Principal Hochsprung was a HERO because she LUNGED at the shooter but her body was found in the kitchen closet apparently.

The media just lies through their teeth about everything.
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Strange...when that same grandfather was on CNN he told them the kids hid in the closet UNTILL they escaped some how maybe when the shooter left for the next classroom I don't know. Then they walked down the road and went to this guys house and sat in his driveway but not before the bus driver randomly saw them and stayed with them in the driveway.

My biggest question is who heard Ms. Soto say "the kids are in the auditorium." This statement has been rehashed many times on cnn fox etc. I just wonder how they got it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8194616


The quote of Soto is likely complete bullshit just like they said Thorne was a hero running around locking doors when in fact he was on 911 the whole time.

Then they said Principal Hochsprung was a HERO because she LUNGED at the shooter but her body was found in the kitchen closet apparently.

The media just lies through their teeth about everything.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26920974


I haven't heard of Hochsprung being found in the kitchen. That's a new one for me.

There have been so many conflicting account of what happened in Soto's room since the very beginning.

Look at these excerpts from the 12/15/12 Courant article 'A Methodical Massacre':
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"Lanza next arrived at teacher Victoria Soto's classroom. Soto is believed to have hidden her 6- and 7-year old students in a classroom closet. When Lanza demanded to know where the children were, Soto tried to divert him to the other end of the school by saying that her students were in the auditorium.

But six of Soto's students tried to flee. Lanza shot them, Soto and another teacher who was in the room. Later, in their search for survivors, police found the remaining seven of Soto's students still hiding in the closet. They told the police what had happened...

...Police investigators were still stunned Saturday by the scene they encountered at the school a day earlier, in particular by the seven surviving — but shocked — children hiding silently in the closet in Soto's classroom.

Officers found the children during the initial, rushed search of the building for survivors.

"Finally, they opened that door and there were seven sets of eyes looking at them," a law enforcement officer familiar with the events said Saturday. "She tried to save her class" he said of Victoria Soto."
______________


Quite a bit different from Sedensky's report, which claims 2 children were in the closet.
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Strange...when that same grandfather was on CNN he told them the kids hid in the closet UNTILL they escaped some how maybe when the shooter left for the next classroom I don't know. Then they walked down the road and went to this guys house and sat in his driveway but not before the bus driver randomly saw them and stayed with them in the driveway.

My biggest question is who heard Ms. Soto say "the kids are in the auditorium." This statement has been rehashed many times on cnn fox etc. I just wonder how they got it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8194616


The quote of Soto is likely complete bullshit just like they said Thorne was a hero running around locking doors when in fact he was on 911 the whole time.

Then they said Principal Hochsprung was a HERO because she LUNGED at the shooter but her body was found in the kitchen closet apparently.

The media just lies through their teeth about everything.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26920974


I haven't heard of Hochsprung being found in the kitchen. That's a new one for me.

There have been so many conflicting account of what happened in Soto's room since the very beginning.

Look at these excerpts from the 12/15/12 Courant article 'A Methodical Massacre':
____________
"Lanza next arrived at teacher Victoria Soto's classroom. Soto is believed to have hidden her 6- and 7-year old students in a classroom closet. When Lanza demanded to know where the children were, Soto tried to divert him to the other end of the school by saying that her students were in the auditorium.

But six of Soto's students tried to flee. Lanza shot them, Soto and another teacher who was in the room. Later, in their search for survivors, police found the remaining seven of Soto's students still hiding in the closet. They told the police what had happened...

...Police investigators were still stunned Saturday by the scene they encountered at the school a day earlier, in particular by the seven surviving — but shocked — children hiding silently in the closet in Soto's classroom.

Officers found the children during the initial, rushed search of the building for survivors.

"Finally, they opened that door and there were seven sets of eyes looking at them," a law enforcement officer familiar with the events said Saturday. "She tried to save her class" he said of Victoria Soto."
______________


Quite a bit different from Sedensky's report, which claims 2 children were in the closet.
 Quoting: oidalG 42896522


That's one pretty big discrepancy, isn't it?
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Strange...when that same grandfather was on CNN he told them the kids hid in the closet UNTILL they escaped some how maybe when the shooter left for the next classroom I don't know. Then they walked down the road and went to this guys house and sat in his driveway but not before the bus driver randomly saw them and stayed with them in the driveway.

My biggest question is who heard Ms. Soto say "the kids are in the auditorium." This statement has been rehashed many times on cnn fox etc. I just wonder how they got it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8194616


The quote of Soto is likely complete bullshit just like they said Thorne was a hero running around locking doors when in fact he was on 911 the whole time.

Then they said Principal Hochsprung was a HERO because she LUNGED at the shooter but her body was found in the kitchen closet apparently.

The media just lies through their teeth about everything.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26920974


I haven't heard of Hochsprung being found in the kitchen. That's a new one for me.

There have been so many conflicting account of what happened in Soto's room since the very beginning.

Look at these excerpts from the 12/15/12 Courant article 'A Methodical Massacre':
____________
"Lanza next arrived at teacher Victoria Soto's classroom. Soto is believed to have hidden her 6- and 7-year old students in a classroom closet. When Lanza demanded to know where the children were, Soto tried to divert him to the other end of the school by saying that her students were in the auditorium.

But six of Soto's students tried to flee. Lanza shot them, Soto and another teacher who was in the room. Later, in their search for survivors, police found the remaining seven of Soto's students still hiding in the closet. They told the police what had happened...

...Police investigators were still stunned Saturday by the scene they encountered at the school a day earlier, in particular by the seven surviving — but shocked — children hiding silently in the closet in Soto's classroom.

Officers found the children during the initial, rushed search of the building for survivors.

"Finally, they opened that door and there were seven sets of eyes looking at them," a law enforcement officer familiar with the events said Saturday. "She tried to save her class" he said of Victoria Soto."
______________


Quite a bit different from Sedensky's report, which claims 2 children were in the closet.
 Quoting: oidalG 42896522


That's one pretty big discrepancy, isn't it?
 Quoting: Stickywicket


And I haven't heard anything about Hochsprung being found in the kitchen. As far as I know, she's always been placed in the foyer or hallway outside of room 9. Whether she "lunged" at the shooter or not is a different matter.
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That is a very good point, never really gave it much thought but I think this is pretty true.
 Quoting: Krystle|Ann


Consider how that relates to the official timeline.

Lanza's gun jams and an undetermined number of kids run out.

If you go by Sedensky's summary, this happened before the first cops arrived; thus they didn't see the kids running.

Remember, by all media accounts right up until last month's release of Sedensky's report said Lanza went to Rousseau's FIRST and then to Soto's, and killed himself there.

In his summary, Sedensky is unable say which room Lanza went first. I repeat: after 11 months, Sedensky can't say which room he went into first. Think about that. The ambiguity is significant.



It just doesn't add up.
 Quoting: oidalG 36580764


Gladio.. I know you know this already, but good for all to hear: this is exactly why it's good to comb over all of these older threads for info... Not only does it help 'refresh' all of the information, but now that we have the report to compare things to we are able to find out *who knows what*!

hf You are such a strong force, G-man..I'm sorry for sounding like I'm kissing your ass but you have been a natural leader and positive energy regarding this right from the very start.

Considering the amount of time and energy you have put into all of this, you will certainly have much to gain in the long run. Your time to shine might just come, considering all that has developed in this whole year since.


You always have my support and upmost respect.
rose
 Quoting: Krystle|Ann


It's nice of you to say those things.

I am thinking of running for the Ct. legislature, on a platform of exposing Sandy Hook. Even if I didn't win, the candidacy could draw attention, and ultimately result in a more thorough examination of the facts.
 Quoting: oidalG 36580764


You have my total support. I would love to see that happen.
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This thread is one year old today.

Happy Birthday, thread. May your life be not in vain.
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Re: UPDATE: Sandy Hook Inconsistencies Abound - Survivors from Ms. Soto's class - Censored by WTIC radio
Nine of Soto's kids got away and two hid in the closet/bathroom (or something close to those figures), so I think it could have been the kids who never left the room, but survived, who heard that.

Just a guess. Still wondering how on earth you mistake two kids for seven kids.

Somewhere there's a thread collecting the parent stories of "The Twelve," and in some of them they mention whether their child ran or hid.
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Does the police report refer to this issue of the escaped children from Soto's class? When, where and how they escaped, and who may have seen or assisted them?

Does the report specify the number of children who escaped, as well as the number of survivors found in Soto's class?
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Does the police report refer to this issue of the escaped children from Soto's class? When, where and how they escaped, and who may have seen or assisted them?

Does the report specify the number of children who escaped, as well as the number of survivors found in Soto's class?
 Quoting: oidalG 22439147


we could try..there is some kids report in book 6. and report from the mum who drive them to police station.
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Clear report, repeated several times, that N INE CHILDREN from Ms. Soto's Class were seen running up the sidewalk in front of Sandy Hook on their way to the firehouse. They were unescorted and no adults were seen with them.

Let's do the math:

SIX KIDS SHOT IN SOTO'S CLASS
SEVEN KIDS FOUND IN CLOSET
NINE KIDS SPOTTED OUTSIDE

6+7+9 = 22 STUDENTS.

SOTO'S CLASS HAD 15 STUDENTS. IT DOESN'T ADD UP.

BTW, WHO WAS THE TEACHER AND 18 VICTIMS FOUND IN A KITCHEN CLOSET?

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