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The Second Amendment is a Relic - Its Purpose is Long Past | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 29966199  Bahamas12/21/2012 11:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Lab Lover User ID: 941862  United States12/21/2012 11:54 AM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "There is thus no constitutional protection whatsoever for the semiautomatic rifle that killed the kids in Newtown." Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29966199 The Second Amendment is a relic of the founding era more than two centuries ago. Its purpose is long past. As Justice John Paul Stevens argues persuasively, the amendment should not block the ability of society to keep itself safe through gun control legislation. That was never its intent. This amendment was about militias in the 1790s, and the fear of the anti-federalists of a federal army. Since that issue is long moot, we need not be governed in our national life by doctrines on now-extinct militias from the 18th century. [link to www.huffingtonpost.com] This is an excellent article the explains the reasons the 2nd amendment was created, and how it's been used in the SCOTUS. The purpose of the Second Amendment was to prevent the new Federal Government established in 1789 from disarming the state militias and replacing them with a Federal standing army. It was a concern that was relevant perhaps for a few years around the birth of the country. It is irrelevant today. Americans do not rely on state militias in 2012 for our freedom from the federal government. Now is the time to establish new gun control laws and perhaps an all out ban on all automatic and semi automatic weapons.Ban guns to save kids I would bet the 50 million Mau killed, 6.5 million Hitler killed, 40 million China killed and 50 million Stalin exterminated wished they had a Second Amendment. Lab Lover |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30373521 United States12/21/2012 11:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 11815764 United States12/21/2012 11:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "There is thus no constitutional protection whatsoever for the semiautomatic rifle that killed the kids in Newtown." Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29966199 The Second Amendment is a relic of the founding era more than two centuries ago. Its purpose is long past. As Justice John Paul Stevens argues persuasively, the amendment should not block the ability of society to keep itself safe through gun control legislation. That was never its intent. This amendment was about militias in the 1790s, and the fear of the anti-federalists of a federal army. Since that issue is long moot, we need not be governed in our national life by doctrines on now-extinct militias from the 18th century. [link to www.huffingtonpost.com] This is an excellent article the explains the reasons the 2nd amendment was created, and how it's been used in the SCOTUS. The purpose of the Second Amendment was to prevent the new Federal Government established in 1789 from disarming the state militias and replacing them with a Federal standing army. It was a concern that was relevant perhaps for a few years around the birth of the country. It is irrelevant today. Americans do not rely on state militias in 2012 for our freedom from the federal government. Now is the time to establish new gun control laws and perhaps an all out ban on all automatic and semi automatic weapons.Ban guns to save kids STFU. |
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| milehighmike User ID: 339344 United States12/21/2012 11:57 AM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Guns are barbaric and a vice in today's modern society and thus the provision for guns should only be made for law enforcement and government. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29966199 If your blatantly false premise is correct, why would LEO & the Gov't need them??? "Successful people are always looking for opportunities to help others. Unsuccessful people are always asking, 'What's in it for me?'" — Brian Tracy: Personal and business training author, speaker, and consultant "We are all, right now, living the life we choose." -- Peter McWilliams, Author "The bad news is time flies. The good news is you're the pilot." -- Michael Altshuler |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 29966199 Bahamas12/21/2012 11:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Prove to us that Collectivism is dead and that a Tyrant will never rise up to take Totalitarian Control of the State. IE: Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Ect... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15740069 Until you can prove that the Second Amendment still has a purpose. The Burden of proof is on you my friend,there are plenty of ways to defend yourself without the use of the barbaric tool known as a gun. |
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| Red Harvest User ID: 14185604 United States12/21/2012 11:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "There is thus no constitutional protection whatsoever for the semiautomatic rifle that killed the kids in Newtown." Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29966199 The Second Amendment is a relic of the founding era more than two centuries ago. Its purpose is long past. As Justice John Paul Stevens argues persuasively, the amendment should not block the ability of society to keep itself safe through gun control legislation. That was never its intent. This amendment was about militias in the 1790s, and the fear of the anti-federalists of a federal army. Since that issue is long moot, we need not be governed in our national life by doctrines on now-extinct militias from the 18th century. [link to www.huffingtonpost.com] This is an excellent article the explains the reasons the 2nd amendment was created, and how it's been used in the SCOTUS. The purpose of the Second Amendment was to prevent the new Federal Government established in 1789 from disarming the state militias and replacing them with a Federal standing army. It was a concern that was relevant perhaps for a few years around the birth of the country. It is irrelevant today. Americans do not rely on state militias in 2012 for our freedom from the federal government. Now is the time to establish new gun control laws and perhaps an all out ban on all automatic and semi automatic weapons.Ban guns to save kids Hey OPie go fuck yourself, your not even an American you don't get a say in this. Three bearded beings, the "Star-gods," each holding a star in his right hand, which is stretched aloft, and with his left towing a small boat containing the "Face of the Disk." ~Book of the Gates. |
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| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 29966199 Bahamas12/21/2012 12:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Guns are barbaric and a vice in today's modern society and thus the provision for guns should only be made for law enforcement and government. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29966199 If your blatantly false premise is correct, why would LEO & the Gov't need them??? The law enforcement and government would need them for when civil unrest breaks out. Now let's please get to the topic addressed in the OP.Sometimes the truth hurts just give up your guns. |
| *HEISENBERG* PC Load Letter? WTF does that mean? User ID: 30143760 United States12/21/2012 12:01 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Guns are barbaric and a vice in today's modern society and thus the provision for guns should only be made for law enforcement and government. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29966199 lol, in a way, I admire your naivety. I too wish I could make up some false reality where everyone holds hands and sings songs..... unfortunately I live in the real world. Formerly:Negan,Rick Grimes, Heisenberg,Charlie Scene, Evan. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 2727760  United Kingdom12/21/2012 12:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "There is thus no constitutional protection whatsoever for the semiautomatic rifle that killed the kids in Newtown." Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29966199 The Second Amendment is a relic of the founding era more than two centuries ago. Its purpose is long past. As Justice John Paul Stevens argues persuasively, the amendment should not block the ability of society to keep itself safe through gun control legislation. That was never its intent. This amendment was about militias in the 1790s, and the fear of the anti-federalists of a federal army. Since that issue is long moot, we need not be governed in our national life by doctrines on now-extinct militias from the 18th century. [link to www.huffingtonpost.com] This is an excellent article the explains the reasons the 2nd amendment was created, and how it's been used in the SCOTUS. The purpose of the Second Amendment was to prevent the new Federal Government established in 1789 from disarming the state militias and replacing them with a Federal standing army. It was a concern that was relevant perhaps for a few years around the birth of the country. It is irrelevant today. Americans do not rely on state militias in 2012 for our freedom from the federal government. Now is the time to establish new gun control laws and perhaps an all out ban on all automatic and semi automatic weapons.Ban guns to save kids You lie, you fucking negro! People have the absolute right to self-defence, using any and all means against an aggressor! You fucking QUISLING! |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 29966199 Bahamas12/21/2012 12:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "There is thus no constitutional protection whatsoever for the semiautomatic rifle that killed the kids in Newtown." Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29966199 The Second Amendment is a relic of the founding era more than two centuries ago. Its purpose is long past. As Justice John Paul Stevens argues persuasively, the amendment should not block the ability of society to keep itself safe through gun control legislation. That was never its intent. This amendment was about militias in the 1790s, and the fear of the anti-federalists of a federal army. Since that issue is long moot, we need not be governed in our national life by doctrines on now-extinct militias from the 18th century. [link to www.huffingtonpost.com] This is an excellent article the explains the reasons the 2nd amendment was created, and how it's been used in the SCOTUS. The purpose of the Second Amendment was to prevent the new Federal Government established in 1789 from disarming the state militias and replacing them with a Federal standing army. It was a concern that was relevant perhaps for a few years around the birth of the country. It is irrelevant today. Americans do not rely on state militias in 2012 for our freedom from the federal government. Now is the time to establish new gun control laws and perhaps an all out ban on all automatic and semi automatic weapons.Ban guns to save kids Hey OPie go fuck yourself, your not even an American you don't get a say in this. Is freedom of speech exclusive to the United States is America so suppose to speak and the rest of world stay quiet. I will continue to spread truth until America bans guns. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 15740069 United States12/21/2012 12:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Prove to us that Collectivism is dead and that a Tyrant will never rise up to take Totalitarian Control of the State. IE: Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Ect... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15740069 Until you can prove that the Second Amendment still has a purpose. The Burden of proof is on you my friend,there are plenty of ways to defend yourself without the use of the barbaric tool known as a gun. Not when the State is banging on the door with a military strike team and they are ready to take you to the work camps. Guns are the Equalizer, Its our only deterrent to keep Government in check. |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 29966199 Bahamas12/21/2012 12:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Prove to us that Collectivism is dead and that a Tyrant will never rise up to take Totalitarian Control of the State. IE: Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Ect... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15740069 Until you can prove that the Second Amendment still has a purpose. The Burden of proof is on you my friend,there are plenty of ways to defend yourself without the use of the barbaric tool known as a gun. Not when the State is banging on the door with a military strike team and they are ready to take you to the work camps. Guns are the Equalizer, Its our only deterrent to keep Government in check. Peaceful demonstrations show the the power of the people not guns. If America has lost trust in its government sign petitions and demonstrate until they listen to you. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 2727760 United Kingdom12/21/2012 12:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Prove to us that Collectivism is dead and that a Tyrant will never rise up to take Totalitarian Control of the State. IE: Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Ect... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15740069 Until you can prove that the Second Amendment still has a purpose. The Burden of proof is on you my friend,there are plenty of ways to defend yourself without the use of the barbaric tool known as a gun. Not when the State is banging on the door with a military strike team and they are ready to take you to the work camps. Guns are the Equalizer, Its our only deterrent to keep Government in check. Peaceful demonstrations show the the power of the people not guns. If America has lost trust in its government sign petitions and demonstrate until they listen to you. Yeah! That'll work!  |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 29966199 Bahamas12/21/2012 12:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Prove to us that Collectivism is dead and that a Tyrant will never rise up to take Totalitarian Control of the State. IE: Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Ect... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15740069 Until you can prove that the Second Amendment still has a purpose. The Burden of proof is on you my friend,there are plenty of ways to defend yourself without the use of the barbaric tool known as a gun. Not when the State is banging on the door with a military strike team and they are ready to take you to the work camps. Guns are the Equalizer, Its our only deterrent to keep Government in check. While the argument can be made that the might of the military is so much greater than it's citizenry that there could be no overthrow of the government, there is still the fact that the military is made up of citizens who took an oath to protect the Constitution which could mean half of them could take sides with the citizenry. I doubt it would ever come to that but the government knows this to be true and will no doubt take that fact into account. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 961432 United States12/21/2012 12:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The purpose of the Second Amendment was to prevent the new Federal Government established in 1789 from disarming the state militias and replacing them with a Federal standing army. It was a concern that was relevant perhaps for a few years around the birth of the country. It is irrelevant today. Americans do not rely on state militias in 2012 for our freedom from the federal government. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29966199 Now is the time to establish new gun control laws and perhaps an all out ban on all automatic and semi automatic weapons.Ban guns to save kids This is the problem with abandoning reason, and more importantly critical thinking for the illusion of security in the hive mind. The first 10 amendments cannot ever be placed in "historical context" since they are the culmination of philosophy, that of natural rights which had an evolution of hundreds of years beginning with the magna carta and ending with the constitution and bill of rights. The second amendment is about the people being able to protect and defend themselves in the absence, impudence or outright opposition to whatever form of government the people have created and or allowed to disintegrate. You own yourself, from that you also own or have the right to defend yourself, this is a natural right given to you by God as a created being. The people likewise have the right to defend themselves and their communities. From neighborhood watch committees to emergency response teams to militias if necessary. The right to own a weapon is a derivative and a necessity to being able to defend yourself. Criminals or anyone for that matter can print an automatic weapon with a 3-d printer now, that means criminals and psychopaths will always have guns. That means to defend yourself, your family and your community you need equivalent means to protect yourself. Do you really want to live in a world where a small group of people tell you what to do and believe? Where they tell you how to interpret hundreds of years of human thought and reason instead of critically thinking through issues on your own? |
| Mickeyblue User ID: 9806228 United States12/21/2012 12:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You are spouting useful ignorance to be used by those who do not want it around anymore. It will never lose its purpose. It is perhaps more necessary now than ever. The US Constitution and the Bill of Rights are the grounding documents which secure, for us, our freedoms and define our responwsibilities and they transcend time. Get over it and do something for your own little country and stay out of our business. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 29035737 United States12/21/2012 12:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 27219251 United States12/21/2012 12:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "The Second Amendment is a Relic - Its Purpose is Long Past" ...right....because governments don't rise up against their own people anymore, and people don't need to defend themselves from madmen in power any more.....is that what you mean? Dumbass |
| AlcoholicRunner I run and drink at the same time. User ID: 23182389 United States12/21/2012 12:10 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Lady Jane Smith Forum Moderator User ID: 28335841 12/21/2012 12:12 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Guns are barbaric and a vice in today's modern society and thus the provision for guns should only be made for law enforcement and government. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29966199 Your opinion. The majority of Americans disagree. Life is karma and karma always reflects both past and present circumstance. Our time here is short, so choose carefully and behave well, for all of your tomorrows are presently being decided. "Don't die on a small cross..." Saddletramp's Mom "A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool." -- William Shakespeare, born April 23, 1564. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 2727760 United Kingdom12/21/2012 12:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The purpose of the Second Amendment was to prevent the new Federal Government established in 1789 from disarming the state militias and replacing them with a Federal standing army. It was a concern that was relevant perhaps for a few years around the birth of the country. It is irrelevant today. Americans do not rely on state militias in 2012 for our freedom from the federal government. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29966199 Now is the time to establish new gun control laws and perhaps an all out ban on all automatic and semi automatic weapons.Ban guns to save kids This is the problem with abandoning reason, and more importantly critical thinking for the illusion of security in the hive mind. The first 10 amendments cannot ever be placed in "historical context" since they are the culmination of philosophy, that of natural rights which had an evolution of hundreds of years beginning with the magna carta and ending with the constitution and bill of rights. The second amendment is about the people being able to protect and defend themselves in the absence, impudence or outright opposition to whatever form of government the people have created and or allowed to disintegrate. You own yourself, from that you also own or have the right to defend yourself, this is a natural right given to you by God as a created being. The people likewise have the right to defend themselves and their communities. From neighborhood watch committees to emergency response teams to militias if necessary. The right to own a weapon is a derivative and a necessity to being able to defend yourself. Criminals or anyone for that matter can print an automatic weapon with a 3-d printer now, that means criminals and psychopaths will always have guns. That means to defend yourself, your family and your community you need equivalent means to protect yourself. Do you really want to live in a world where a small group of people tell you what to do and believe? Where they tell you how to interpret hundreds of years of human thought and reason instead of critically thinking through issues on your own?  I just wish the 2nd said "The right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms, shall not be Infringed". Gnomesayin? None of them extra commas, or "militia" bullshit. |
| Lady Jane Smith Forum Moderator User ID: 28335841 12/21/2012 12:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "There is thus no constitutional protection whatsoever for the semiautomatic rifle that killed the kids in Newtown." Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29966199 The Second Amendment is a relic of the founding era more than two centuries ago. Its purpose is long past. As Justice John Paul Stevens argues persuasively, the amendment should not block the ability of society to keep itself safe through gun control legislation. That was never its intent. This amendment was about militias in the 1790s, and the fear of the anti-federalists of a federal army. Since that issue is long moot, we need not be governed in our national life by doctrines on now-extinct militias from the 18th century. [link to www.huffingtonpost.com] This is an excellent article the explains the reasons the 2nd amendment was created, and how it's been used in the SCOTUS. The purpose of the Second Amendment was to prevent the new Federal Government established in 1789 from disarming the state militias and replacing them with a Federal standing army. It was a concern that was relevant perhaps for a few years around the birth of the country. It is irrelevant today. Americans do not rely on state militias in 2012 for our freedom from the federal government. Now is the time to establish new gun control laws and perhaps an all out ban on all automatic and semi automatic weapons.Ban guns to save kids Hey OPie go fuck yourself, your not even an American you don't get a say in this. Is freedom of speech exclusive to the United States is America so suppose to speak and the rest of world stay quiet. I will continue to spread truth until America bans guns. Red Harvest is trying to get you to understand that the opinion of someone who is not an American regarding our basic rights does not mean anything to us. Find an issue relevant to your own country & expound upon it. Life is karma and karma always reflects both past and present circumstance. Our time here is short, so choose carefully and behave well, for all of your tomorrows are presently being decided. "Don't die on a small cross..." Saddletramp's Mom "A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool." -- William Shakespeare, born April 23, 1564. |
| AlcoholicRunner I run and drink at the same time. User ID: 23182389 United States12/21/2012 12:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 27418740 United States12/21/2012 12:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Guns are barbaric and a vice in today's modern society and thus the provision for guns should only be made for law enforcement and government. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29966199 your either a lover of dictators or your stupid. He's just a stupid Negro supporting the party that gives him free stuff. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 2727760 United Kingdom12/21/2012 12:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "There is thus no constitutional protection whatsoever for the semiautomatic rifle that killed the kids in Newtown." Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29966199 The Second Amendment is a relic of the founding era more than two centuries ago. Its purpose is long past. As Justice John Paul Stevens argues persuasively, the amendment should not block the ability of society to keep itself safe through gun control legislation. That was never its intent. This amendment was about militias in the 1790s, and the fear of the anti-federalists of a federal army. Since that issue is long moot, we need not be governed in our national life by doctrines on now-extinct militias from the 18th century. [link to www.huffingtonpost.com] This is an excellent article the explains the reasons the 2nd amendment was created, and how it's been used in the SCOTUS. The purpose of the Second Amendment was to prevent the new Federal Government established in 1789 from disarming the state militias and replacing them with a Federal standing army. It was a concern that was relevant perhaps for a few years around the birth of the country. It is irrelevant today. Americans do not rely on state militias in 2012 for our freedom from the federal government. Now is the time to establish new gun control laws and perhaps an all out ban on all automatic and semi automatic weapons.Ban guns to save kids Hey OPie go fuck yourself, your not even an American you don't get a say in this. Is freedom of speech exclusive to the United States is America so suppose to speak and the rest of world stay quiet. I will continue to spread truth until America bans guns. Red Harvest is trying to get you to understand that the opinion of someone who is not an American regarding our basic rights does not mean anything to us. Find an issue relevant to your own country & expound upon it. This Bahamian guy is some kinda Commie-Pinko agitator! |
