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The Second Amendment is a Relic - Its Purpose is Long Past | |
Lady Jane Smith Forum Moderator  User ID: 23410866 12/21/2012 12:46 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Foreigners hate our freedoms. No need to discuss our domestic policies with the Stockholm Syndrome world conglomerate. Quoting: Chip Fuck you OP. I love America , I just want it see it go down the right path and the right path would be to ban guns so that America can once again be a peaceful nation. Now back to thee topic Do you really think the government can confiscate ALL the guns? Really? Answer me that OP. Yes ,first ban the production of bullets and guns for civilians.And then a mandatory search every home for any guns and confiscate them from the owner.Polygraph the owner to see if he is lying about hiding guns if he is detain him until he divulges where the gun is. America has to get serious. Illegal search & seizure much?? Life is karma and karma always reflects both past and present circumstance. Our time here is short, so choose carefully and behave well, for all of your tomorrows are presently being decided. "Don't die on a small cross..." Saddletramp's Mom "A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool." -- William Shakespeare, born April 23, 1564. |
| AlcoholicRunner I run and drink at the same time. User ID: 23182389  United States12/21/2012 12:46 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30403256 United States12/21/2012 12:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "There is thus no constitutional protection whatsoever for the semiautomatic rifle that killed the kids in Newtown." Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29966199 The Second Amendment is a relic of the founding era more than two centuries ago. Its purpose is long past. As Justice John Paul Stevens argues persuasively, the amendment should not block the ability of society to keep itself safe through gun control legislation. That was never its intent. This amendment was about militias in the 1790s, and the fear of the anti-federalists of a federal army. Since that issue is long moot, we need not be governed in our national life by doctrines on now-extinct militias from the 18th century. [link to www.huffingtonpost.com] This is an excellent article the explains the reasons the 2nd amendment was created, and how it's been used in the SCOTUS. The purpose of the Second Amendment was to prevent the new Federal Government established in 1789 from disarming the state militias and replacing them with a Federal standing army. It was a concern that was relevant perhaps for a few years around the birth of the country. It is irrelevant today. Americans do not rely on state militias in 2012 for our freedom from the federal government. Now is the time to establish new gun control laws and perhaps an all out ban on all automatic and semi automatic weapons.Ban guns to save kids Why would a person in the Bahamas give a fuck about US gun rights? |
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| Lady Jane Smith Forum Moderator User ID: 23410866 12/21/2012 12:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hey, OP, isn't there a cruise ship pulling in or something? Go annoy some tourists. Life is karma and karma always reflects both past and present circumstance. Our time here is short, so choose carefully and behave well, for all of your tomorrows are presently being decided. "Don't die on a small cross..." Saddletramp's Mom "A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool." -- William Shakespeare, born April 23, 1564. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 29858290 United States12/21/2012 12:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | All this is misdirection - The real monsters are in Washington. They are responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of innocents around the world; more than a few of them women and children. They steal the wealth you earn to pay off promises made to even bigger criminals. They forcibly drug children so they the children can tolerate the nightmare public schools are. DHS TSA DEA CIA FBI SWAT VIPER Just new names for Gestapo Yes, it was a tragedy what happened but we need to keep our eyes on the ball and remember who set up conditions that allow these things to happen. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 26646277 United States12/21/2012 12:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "NO FREE MAN SHOULD EVER BE BARRED THE USE OF FIREARMS. THE STRONGEST REASON, FOR THE PEOPLE, TO MAINTAIN THEIR RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS, IS TO PROTECT THEMSELVES, AS A LAST RESORT, AGAINST TYRANNY IN GOVERNMENT" Thomas Jefferson Quoting: Squatch Hunter Who are you gonna believe OP, Thomas Jefferson, one of the founding fathers or someone in 2012 rendering their opinion OF WHAT THEY THINK HAPPENED IN 1787? OP is an idiot that has no rebuttal for this. You weren't born with a gun in your hand,your natural defense is a punch a kick and a bite. And the second actual second amendment is: A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear armor shall not be infringed. You still didn't say anything about these words from Thomas Jefferson. One of the greatest men in history. |
| AlcoholicRunner I run and drink at the same time. User ID: 23182389 United States12/21/2012 12:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Read the original second amendment A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear armor shall not be infringed:at times of war. I know more US history than all of you gun nuts.  You are delusional. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30562031 Bahamas12/21/2012 12:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30562031 I love America , I just want it see it go down the right path and the right path would be to ban guns so that America can once again be a peaceful nation. Now back to thee topic Do you really think the government can confiscate ALL the guns? Really? Answer me that OP. Yes ,first ban the production of bullets and guns for civilians.And then a mandatory search every home for any guns and confiscate them from the owner.Polygraph the owner to see if he is lying about hiding guns if he is detain him until he divulges where the gun is. America has to get serious. So now you're against the 4th amendment and advocating the stealing of property from innocent citizens.  It is the governments right to carry out the law when thay decide to ban guns if the 4th amendment gets in the way of carrying out the law,it should be repealed and annulled. Why do Americans fear peace |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30562031 Bahamas12/21/2012 12:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Read the original second amendment A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear armor shall not be infringed:at times of war. I know more US history than all of you gun nuts. :Bullshit33: You are delusional. This is the original second amendment you can't handle the truth.Lets get back to the topic at hand |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30562031 Bahamas12/21/2012 12:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "NO FREE MAN SHOULD EVER BE BARRED THE USE OF FIREARMS. THE STRONGEST REASON, FOR THE PEOPLE, TO MAINTAIN THEIR RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS, IS TO PROTECT THEMSELVES, AS A LAST RESORT, AGAINST TYRANNY IN GOVERNMENT" Thomas Jefferson Quoting: Squatch Hunter Who are you gonna believe OP, Thomas Jefferson, one of the founding fathers or someone in 2012 rendering their opinion OF WHAT THEY THINK HAPPENED IN 1787? OP is an idiot that has no rebuttal for this. You weren't born with a gun in your hand,your natural defense is a punch a kick and a bite. And the second actual second amendment is: A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear armor shall not be infringed. You still didn't say anything about these words from Thomas Jefferson. One of the greatest men in history. Thomas Jefferson's ancient words have no relevance in today's society. If we went by what people of the past said we will still be stoning people. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30562031 Bahamas12/21/2012 12:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You just can't handle the fact guns have done more harm than good. And take a closer look at the second amendment: A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear armor shall not be infringed:in times of war. |
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| Crackerskill User ID: 26267702 United States12/21/2012 12:57 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "There is thus no constitutional protection whatsoever for the semiautomatic rifle that killed the kids in Newtown." Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29966199 The Second Amendment is a relic of the founding era more than two centuries ago. Its purpose is long past. As Justice John Paul Stevens argues persuasively, the amendment should not block the ability of society to keep itself safe through gun control legislation. That was never its intent. This amendment was about militias in the 1790s, and the fear of the anti-federalists of a federal army. Since that issue is long moot, we need not be governed in our national life by doctrines on now-extinct militias from the 18th century. [link to www.huffingtonpost.com] This is an excellent article the explains the reasons the 2nd amendment was created, and how it's been used in the SCOTUS. The purpose of the Second Amendment was to prevent the new Federal Government established in 1789 from disarming the state militias and replacing them with a Federal standing army. It was a concern that was relevant perhaps for a few years around the birth of the country. It is irrelevant today. Americans do not rely on state militias in 2012 for our freedom from the federal government. Now is the time to establish new gun control laws and perhaps an all out ban on all automatic and semi automatic weapons.Ban guns to save kids And what happens when we get invaded? Think the gubberment is gonna save you??  |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1645572 United States12/21/2012 12:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Chip Do you really think the government can confiscate ALL the guns? Really? Answer me that OP. Yes ,first ban the production of bullets and guns for civilians.And then a mandatory search every home for any guns and confiscate them from the owner.Polygraph the owner to see if he is lying about hiding guns if he is detain him until he divulges where the gun is. America has to get serious. So now you're against the 4th amendment and advocating the stealing of property from innocent citizens. It is the governments right to carry out the law when thay decide to ban guns if the 4th amendment gets in the way of carrying out the law,it should be repealed and annulled. Why do Americans fear peace That's called tyranny. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 3303336 United States12/21/2012 12:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You weren't born with a gun in your hand,your natural defense is a punch a kick and a bite. And the second actual second amendment is: A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear armor shall not be infringed. You still didn't say anything about these words from Thomas Jefferson. One of the greatest men in history. Thomas Jefferson's ancient words have no relevance in today's society. If we went by what people of the past said we will still be stoning people. Some quotes are timeless you shilling troll. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30562031 Bahamas12/21/2012 12:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "There is thus no constitutional protection whatsoever for the semiautomatic rifle that killed the kids in Newtown." Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29966199 The Second Amendment is a relic of the founding era more than two centuries ago. Its purpose is long past. As Justice John Paul Stevens argues persuasively, the amendment should not block the ability of society to keep itself safe through gun control legislation. That was never its intent. This amendment was about militias in the 1790s, and the fear of the anti-federalists of a federal army. Since that issue is long moot, we need not be governed in our national life by doctrines on now-extinct militias from the 18th century. [link to www.huffingtonpost.com] This is an excellent article the explains the reasons the 2nd amendment was created, and how it's been used in the SCOTUS. The purpose of the Second Amendment was to prevent the new Federal Government established in 1789 from disarming the state militias and replacing them with a Federal standing army. It was a concern that was relevant perhaps for a few years around the birth of the country. It is irrelevant today. Americans do not rely on state militias in 2012 for our freedom from the federal government. Now is the time to establish new gun control laws and perhaps an all out ban on all automatic and semi automatic weapons.Ban guns to save kids And what happens when we get invaded? Think the gubberment is gonna save you?? The US military signed an oath to protect the constitution and the american people they will defend America at all cost not some soccer mom with a gun. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 29960820 United States12/21/2012 12:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | All this is misdirection - The real monsters are in Washington. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29858290 They are responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of innocents around the world; more than a few of them women and children. They steal the wealth you earn to pay off promises made to even bigger criminals. They forcibly drug children so they the children can tolerate the nightmare public schools are. DHS TSA DEA CIA FBI SWAT VIPER Just new names for Gestapo Yes, it was a tragedy what happened but we need to keep our eyes on the ball and remember who set up conditions that allow these things to happen. excellent. +1 |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30562031 Bahamas12/21/2012 01:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30562031 Yes ,first ban the production of bullets and guns for civilians.And then a mandatory search every home for any guns and confiscate them from the owner.Polygraph the owner to see if he is lying about hiding guns if he is detain him until he divulges where the gun is. America has to get serious. So now you're against the 4th amendment and advocating the stealing of property from innocent citizens. It is the governments right to carry out the law when thay decide to ban guns if the 4th amendment gets in the way of carrying out the law,it should be repealed and annulled. Why do Americans fear peace That's called tyranny. No its called responsible governing in the best interest of the people |
| Squatch Hunter User ID: 25765147 United States12/21/2012 01:00 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You weren't born with a gun in your hand,your natural defense is a punch a kick and a bite. And the second actual second amendment is: A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear armor shall not be infringed. You still didn't say anything about these words from Thomas Jefferson. One of the greatest men in history. Thomas Jefferson's ancient words have no relevance in today's society. If we went by what people of the past said we will still be stoning people. The Bill of Rights, Also known as the Preamble, were NOT written for a Time or Season. They were incorporated and Enshrined into the Constitution because our Founders recognized the Heart of Every Man is Evil. Always has been. Always Will. You're argument is Ignorant. Not only of the Original Intent but of History and Common Sense. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 2727760  United Kingdom12/21/2012 01:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "NO FREE MAN SHOULD EVER BE BARRED THE USE OF FIREARMS. THE STRONGEST REASON, FOR THE PEOPLE, TO MAINTAIN THEIR RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS, IS TO PROTECT THEMSELVES, AS A LAST RESORT, AGAINST TYRANNY IN GOVERNMENT" Thomas Jefferson Quoting: Squatch Hunter Who are you gonna believe OP, Thomas Jefferson, one of the founding fathers or someone in 2012 rendering their opinion OF WHAT THEY THINK HAPPENED IN 1787? OP is an idiot that has no rebuttal for this. You weren't born with a gun in your hand,your natural defense is a punch a kick and a bite. And the second actual second amendment is: A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear armor shall not be infringed. You troll motherfucker! You lying piece of shit! Scumbags like you should be shot! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 2727760 United Kingdom12/21/2012 01:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30562031 You weren't born with a gun in your hand,your natural defense is a punch a kick and a bite. And the second actual second amendment is: A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear armor shall not be infringed. You still didn't say anything about these words from Thomas Jefferson. One of the greatest men in history. Thomas Jefferson's ancient words have no relevance in today's society. If we went by what people of the past said we will still be stoning people. The Bill of Rights, Also known as the Preamble, were NOT written for a Time or Season. They were incorporated and Enshrined into the Constitution because our Founders recognized the Heart of Every Man is Evil. Always has been. Always Will. You're argument is Ignorant. Not only of the Original Intent but of History and Common Sense. +1 Some human beings are bad to the bone, and they usually end up being politicians, lawyers, cops and Bahamians! |
| Nemamiah User ID: 1010412 United States12/21/2012 01:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Let's see how stricter gun laws are working out in the Bahamas, shall we? In the Bahamas, the annual rate of firearm homicide per 100,000 population is 2010: 22.22 2009: 15.48 1997: 6.2312 1996: 4.58 1995: 6.47 [link to www.gunpolicy.org] In the United States, the annual rate of firearm homicide per 100,000 population is 2009: 2.985 2008: 3.12 2007: 3.36 2006: 3.42 2005: 3.43 2004: 3.20 [link to www.gunpolicy.org] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 26646277 United States12/21/2012 01:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "NO FREE MAN SHOULD EVER BE BARRED THE USE OF FIREARMS. THE STRONGEST REASON, FOR THE PEOPLE, TO MAINTAIN THEIR RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS, IS TO PROTECT THEMSELVES, AS A LAST RESORT, AGAINST TYRANNY IN GOVERNMENT" Thomas Jefferson Quoting: Squatch Hunter Who are you gonna believe OP, Thomas Jefferson, one of the founding fathers or someone in 2012 rendering their opinion OF WHAT THEY THINK HAPPENED IN 1787? Thomas Jefferson's ancient words have no relevance in today's society. If we went by what people of the past said we will still be stoning people. OP, you are free to live in North Korea. I'm sure it's up to your standards for a government. Leave the rest of us alone. |
| Crackerskill User ID: 26267702 United States12/21/2012 01:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "There is thus no constitutional protection whatsoever for the semiautomatic rifle that killed the kids in Newtown." Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29966199 The Second Amendment is a relic of the founding era more than two centuries ago. Its purpose is long past. As Justice John Paul Stevens argues persuasively, the amendment should not block the ability of society to keep itself safe through gun control legislation. That was never its intent. This amendment was about militias in the 1790s, and the fear of the anti-federalists of a federal army. Since that issue is long moot, we need not be governed in our national life by doctrines on now-extinct militias from the 18th century. [link to www.huffingtonpost.com] This is an excellent article the explains the reasons the 2nd amendment was created, and how it's been used in the SCOTUS. The purpose of the Second Amendment was to prevent the new Federal Government established in 1789 from disarming the state militias and replacing them with a Federal standing army. It was a concern that was relevant perhaps for a few years around the birth of the country. It is irrelevant today. Americans do not rely on state militias in 2012 for our freedom from the federal government. Now is the time to establish new gun control laws and perhaps an all out ban on all automatic and semi automatic weapons.Ban guns to save kids And what happens when we get invaded? Think the gubberment is gonna save you?? The US military signed an oath to protect the constitution and the american people they will defend America at all cost not some soccer mom with a gun. Oh you mean how they took an oath to UPHOLD the constitution? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1645572 United States12/21/2012 01:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1645572 So now you're against the 4th amendment and advocating the stealing of property from innocent citizens. It is the governments right to carry out the law when thay decide to ban guns if the 4th amendment gets in the way of carrying out the law,it should be repealed and annulled. Why do Americans fear peace That's called tyranny. No its called responsible governing in the best interest of the people When the government ignores laws that get in the way and do whatever they want anyhow, that is tyranny. No government is for the best interests of the people and the think that is beyond naive. If you're done trolling now, you should go read the federalist papers. |
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