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The Second Amendment is a Relic - Its Purpose is Long Past | |
| Mickeyblue User ID: 9806228  United States12/21/2012 01:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It was the citizens who comprised the militia. Get it right. You do not cherry pick your Constitution and Bill of Rights, they ground us, do not ever forget that. That is what is and has been under attack for years now. Defend it here or you will lost it forever. |
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Squatch Hunter User ID: 25765147 United States12/21/2012 01:24 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The OP is trying to Prey upon people who don't know our History. Consider the Militia Act of 1792... Passed May 8, 1792, provided for the organization of the state militias. It conscripted every "free able-bodied white male citizen" between the ages of 18 and 45 into a local militia company. Militia members were to arm themselves with a musket, bayonet and belt, two spare flints, a cartridge box with 24 bullets, and a knapsack. Men owning rifles were required to provide a powder horn, 1/4 pound of gun powder, 20 rifle balls, a shooting pouch, and a knapsack. Some occupations were exempt, such as congressmen, stagecoach drivers, and ferryboatmen. Otherwise, men were required to report for training twice a year, usually in the Spring and Fall. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 22766929 United States12/21/2012 01:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Prove to us that Collectivism is dead and that a Tyrant will never rise up to take Totalitarian Control of the State. IE: Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Ect... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15740069 Until you can prove that the Second Amendment still has a purpose. The Burden of proof is on you my friend,there are plenty of ways to defend yourself without the use of the barbaric tool known as a gun. I wish I could shower you with the golden liquid of knowlege. Idiots like you who proclaim a premis and then require others to prove against it. No wonder we are in the shitter with "scholors" like you in the voting majority. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30549134 United States12/21/2012 01:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Prove to us that Collectivism is dead and that a Tyrant will never rise up to take Totalitarian Control of the State. IE: Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Ect... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15740069 Until you can prove that the Second Amendment still has a purpose. The Burden of proof is on you my friend,there are plenty of ways to defend yourself without the use of the barbaric tool known as a gun. I wish I could shower you with the golden liquid of knowlege. Idiots like you who proclaim a premis and then require others to prove against it. No wonder we are in the shitter with "scholors" like you in the voting majority.  |
| Anon. User ID: 7857160 United States12/21/2012 01:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Guns are barbaric and a vice in today's modern society and thus the provision for guns should only be made for law enforcement and government. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29966199 If your blatantly false premise is correct, why would LEO & the Gov't need them??? The law enforcement and government would need them for when civil unrest breaks out. Now let's please get to the topic addressed in the OP.Sometimes the truth hurts just give up your guns. Yes, the "government would need them for when civil unrest breaks out" when they are enslaving us. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30440264 United States12/21/2012 01:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | what else are you gonna ban? lots of things can kill people... should sugar be banned? I bet that would save more lives than any gun and kids eat tons of it... GMOs killed like 10,000 farmers in India in the last few years by suicide alone after they couldn't stay in business... broaden your perspective and wonder why only guns are being targeted... :) |
Chip Forum Moderator User ID: 22480895 United States12/21/2012 01:54 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Foreigners hate our freedoms. No need to discuss our domestic policies with the Stockholm Syndrome world conglomerate. Quoting: Chip Fuck you OP. I love America , I just want it see it go down the right path and the right path would be to ban guns so that America can once again be a peaceful nation. Now back to thee topic Do you really think the government can confiscate ALL the guns? Really? Answer me that OP. Yes ,first ban the production of bullets and guns for civilians.And then a mandatory search every home for any guns and confiscate them from the owner.Polygraph the owner to see if he is lying about hiding guns if he is detain him until he divulges where the gun is. America has to get serious. HAHAHAHA! Okay. Let's start with the fact that bullets can be produced at home, in a garage, in a fucking cave for that matter. Mandatory Search of 150 million homes? Are you crazy? There are only 5 million LEO officers in the whole country! Do you think the rednecks and vets are gonna just let them walk right in? Really? Not to mention the fact that people with criminal intent will have hidden their weapons from authorities. What you are asking for is an outright blood bath!! You really don't understand the dynamics of the situation...just like most anti-gunners. Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. ~Arthur C. Clarke Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes you nothing. It was here first. ~Mark Twain |
| Dr. Lecter User ID: 24275310 United States12/21/2012 01:56 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | you can have my gun(s)... all you have to do is come and get them.  Liberal Logic: Demanding that the government stay out of your bedroom while insisting they pay for your birth control and abortions. The only way we will win, is by being more passionate about defending our liberties, than the other side is about taking them away. |
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| BioReaper Inter arma enim silent leges User ID: 20360291 United States12/21/2012 02:05 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Op. If you just read the Constitution, you will get an unclear picture at best, that is open to interpretation. Just reading the Constitution is not enough. You must educate yourself. Read the Federalist papers. Read the correspondence of the Founding Fathers. Read all of it. You WILL get the clear picture. You will have no misunderstandings then about how they felt in regards to the 2nd amendment and the role of government. Your eyes will be opened. I applied my heart to know wisdom. To know madness and folly. I perceived that this also was a chasing at the wind. For in much wisdom is much grief. And he who increaseth knowledge, increaseth sorrow. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 2727760  United Kingdom12/21/2012 02:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Actually, the 2nd is the weakest one of all, sadly. All those dodgy commas and mention of "militia". No wonder statists have interpreted it to apply only to a States's National Guard. It should have been written as; "The Right of the People, to Keep and Bear Arms, Shall NOT be Infringed" |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30562031  Bahamas12/21/2012 02:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quoting: Zombietard One isolated incidents vs how many dead from guns |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30562031 Bahamas12/21/2012 02:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Many people think the second amendment is Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30562031 A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. But all respected historians know that is an error the second amendment actually says. A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear armor shall not be infringed:in times of war Now using the correct version you can see that the second amendment actually is intended for the people to use offense weapons and protect themselves with body armor.Instead of defensive weapons such as guns. On that merit alone,guns should be banned because they never were suppose to be legal for citizens anyway. |
| Aquarius58 May The Faith Be With You User ID: 5177342 United States12/21/2012 02:33 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation |  The Physical World is a mystery, wrapped in an enigma, coated in a conundrum, basted with a paradox and garnished with uncertainty… Look to Orion... [link to www.nderf.org] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30562031 Bahamas12/21/2012 02:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30562031 Bahamas12/21/2012 02:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Many people think the second amendment is Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30562031 A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. But all respected historians know that is an error the second amendment actually says. A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear armor shall not be infringed:in times of war Now using the correct version you can see that the second amendment actually is intended for the people to use offense weapons and protect themselves with body armor.Instead of defensive weapons such as guns. On that merit alone,guns should be banned because they never were suppose to be legal for citizens anyway. The true second amendment in red |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 11985613 United States12/21/2012 02:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "There is thus no constitutional protection whatsoever for the semiautomatic rifle that killed the kids in Newtown." Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29966199 The Second Amendment is a relic of the founding era more than two centuries ago. Its purpose is long past. As Justice John Paul Stevens argues persuasively, the amendment should not block the ability of society to keep itself safe through gun control legislation. That was never its intent. This amendment was about militias in the 1790s, and the fear of the anti-federalists of a federal army. Since that issue is long moot, we need not be governed in our national life by doctrines on now-extinct militias from the 18th century. [link to www.huffingtonpost.com] This is an excellent article the explains the reasons the 2nd amendment was created, and how it's been used in the SCOTUS. The purpose of the Second Amendment was to prevent the new Federal Government established in 1789 from disarming the state militias and replacing them with a Federal standing army. It was a concern that was relevant perhaps for a few years around the birth of the country. It is irrelevant today. Americans do not rely on state militias in 2012 for our freedom from the federal government. Now is the time to establish new gun control laws and perhaps an all out ban on all automatic and semi automatic weapons.Ban guns to save kids Amen to this thread! It's about time someone is using their brain instead of thinking with fear! I completely agree with you OP  |
| BioReaper Inter arma enim silent leges User ID: 20360291 United States12/21/2012 02:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In fact the Constitution is a relic and Obama should pass laws to for constitutional reform so that only the government and law enforcement can only have gun. Not gonna happen Op. We will resist. It's in the blood. I applied my heart to know wisdom. To know madness and folly. I perceived that this also was a chasing at the wind. For in much wisdom is much grief. And he who increaseth knowledge, increaseth sorrow. |
| Innards_outward User ID: 1080787 United States12/21/2012 02:39 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Prove to us that Collectivism is dead and that a Tyrant will never rise up to take Totalitarian Control of the State. IE: Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Ect... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15740069 Until you can prove that the Second Amendment still has a purpose. The Burden of proof is on you my friend,there are plenty of ways to defend yourself without the use of the barbaric tool known as a gun. Not when the State is banging on the door with a military strike team and they are ready to take you to the work camps. Guns are the Equalizer, Its our only deterrent to keep Government in check. Peaceful demonstrations show the the power of the people not guns. If America has lost trust in its government sign petitions and demonstrate until they listen to you. Yep paper has more power then a bullet? I haven't seen anything that worked while on paper. I bid the well living in a dream world in which all things are sugar coated. When you call the cops and they don't come in a split second and you have a muzzle pressed on your temple what are you going to do? Throw a rule books and give you assailant paper cuts? Gonna suck to be you when the clouds will part and the sky cracks open and God Himself wi...l....l.... Religitardism #1 |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1645572 United States12/21/2012 02:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In fact the Constitution is a relic and Obama should pass laws to for constitutional reform so that only the government and law enforcement can only have gun. You would make an excellent dictator. Right up there with Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao Tse-Tung, etc. You know, the guys who disarmed the people and then literally slaughtered them in the millions. Government kills more people than anything else, and you think they should have a monopoly on force? I guess it's true, common sense isn't common anymore. |
| froggyscrap User ID: 1313944  France12/21/2012 02:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why you not want to get screw'd ? :D In France honnest people get fucked by gvt end bad guys, same time. And we like it so muuuuch ! :D Timeless tv shows debating you're evil addiction to weapons, so hilarious. :D Come visit our Eiffel Shit BTW ! Thanks for your $$$ |
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| Squatch Hunter User ID: 25765147 United States12/21/2012 05:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Many people think the second amendment is Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30562031 A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. But all respected historians know that is an error the second amendment actually says. A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear armor shall not be infringed:in times of war Now using the correct version you can see that the second amendment actually is intended for the people to use offense weapons and protect themselves with body armor.Instead of defensive weapons such as guns. On that merit alone,guns should be banned because they never were suppose to be legal for citizens anyway. B.S. OP, see my previous post. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30562031 Bahamas12/21/2012 06:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Many people think the second amendment is Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30562031 A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. But all respected historians know that is an error the second amendment actually says. A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear armor shall not be infringed:in times of war Now using the correct version you can see that the second amendment actually is intended for the people to use offense weapons and protect themselves with body armor.Instead of defensive weapons such as guns. On that merit alone,guns should be banned because they never were suppose to be legal for citizens anyway. B.S. OP, see my previous post. You can handle the truth,this is the original second amendment and it never tacked about having guns. You gun nuts just are hungry to take more blood when will enough be enough |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30562031 Bahamas12/21/2012 06:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In fact the Constitution is a relic and Obama should pass laws to for constitutional reform so that only the government and law enforcement can only have gun. You would make an excellent dictator. Right up there with Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao Tse-Tung, etc. You know, the guys who disarmed the people and then literally slaughtered them in the millions. Government kills more people than anything else, and you think they should have a monopoly on force? I guess it's true, common sense isn't common anymore. You keep politicizing this,all of those people you mentioned above your pioneers of the 20th century although did a little bit of wrong now and again |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30562031 Bahamas12/21/2012 06:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29966199 The Burden of proof is on you my friend,there are plenty of ways to defend yourself without the use of the barbaric tool known as a gun. Not when the State is banging on the door with a military strike team and they are ready to take you to the work camps. Guns are the Equalizer, Its our only deterrent to keep Government in check. Peaceful demonstrations show the the power of the people not guns. If America has lost trust in its government sign petitions and demonstrate until they listen to you. Yep paper has more power then a bullet? I haven't seen anything that worked while on paper. I bid the well living in a dream world in which all things are sugar coated. When you call the cops and they don't come in a split second and you have a muzzle pressed on your temple what are you going to do? Throw a rule books and give you assailant paper cuts? Your savage mind cannot comprehend,arming people will not solve the problem it would just cause more deaths because of shootings.Don't you trust law enforcement to get the job done and serve justice. |
| Squatch Hunter User ID: 25765147 United States12/21/2012 06:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, You're misquoting the 2nd Amendment and completely denying direct quotes from the founding fathers. If your going to make an argument, at least know what you're talking about, otherwise its meaningless. It would be like me claiming the moon is made of cheese and making my argument based on that falsehood. |
| Squatch Hunter User ID: 25765147 United States12/21/2012 07:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15740069 Not when the State is banging on the door with a military strike team and they are ready to take you to the work camps. Guns are the Equalizer, Its our only deterrent to keep Government in check. Peaceful demonstrations show the the power of the people not guns. If America has lost trust in its government sign petitions and demonstrate until they listen to you. Yep paper has more power then a bullet? I haven't seen anything that worked while on paper. I bid the well living in a dream world in which all things are sugar coated. When you call the cops and they don't come in a split second and you have a muzzle pressed on your temple what are you going to do? Throw a rule books and give you assailant paper cuts? Your savage mind cannot comprehend,arming people will not solve the problem it would just cause more deaths because of shootings.Don't you trust law enforcement to get the job done and serve justice. How did Law Enforcement save the kids in CT? Law Enforcement can only RESPOND AFTER a crime has taken place. Or does your superior mind not comprehend that reality? |
