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preterism has been proven to be false. over and over and over and over again.

let me corral some links for you.
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Couple of links to contrast with yours, for anyone willing to at least check into it. . .

[link to www.worldwithoutend.info]

"The Parousia: A CAREFUL LOOK AT THE NEW TESTAMENT DOCTRINE OF THE LORD'S SECOND COMING (1878)"



[link to www.lookinguntojesus.net]

"An Analysis Of Matthew 24"



[link to kloposmasm.com]

"The Olivet Discourse: “This” Generation or “That” Generation (Part 1 of 4)"


Food for thought, is all.
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The final man of evil will be someone who comes back from the dead. Because of this miracle.......many will follow after him.


However, satan and his angels more than likely have been kicked out of heaven. Angels are able to inhabit human bodies.


So even now......satan might be temporarily inside of a human being.....including a head of state. He will leave that person when he is done with him.
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um, give me at least one scripture or a link to a teaching on this.
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You guys need to research preterism. The end happened in 70 AD. All bible prophecy is fulfilled. The bible does not talk about an end of the planet earth, it is talking about the end of the old covenant - the Jews referred to it as "heaven and earth", it is an idiom. The subject of revelations is the destruction and judgment on earthly Jerusalem by the Romans, which Jesus also predicted in Matthew 23-25.
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The Bible explains the fallacy of preterism:

ECCLESIASTES 1:9 What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun. (NIV)
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Job 11:6:
And that he would show you the secrets of wisdom, that they are double to that which is!
Heed the warning or endure the mourning
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I've never found fault with the Bible, and I've read many books out of it, MANY times throughout my life. What I do find fault with, and so do most non-orthodox christians, is when so called "Christians" (As if they actually have any idea who Christ even was, lol), claim:

1) The bible is divine
2) The bible was written by God
3) Jesus is the only way to God
4) Their religion is the only way


All of those assertions are false, and #3 and #4 are ESPECIALLY offensive. Truth is like light. If you shine light through a prism, it separates into various colors. Which color is the REAL color? They are all aspects of the same light. This is how God has revealed itself to Mankind. Due to the difference in time, space, culture, history, mindset, etc.....there are an infinite ways to Oneness, and Oneness has revealed itself to mankind according to where Mankind is at that moment , in time/space.

Everything come from One Source. That is one of the FIRST concepts anybody who is religious or spiritual, in an authentic sense, will come to realize.

The second thing anyone truly spiritual or religious will realize is that the PURPOSE of spirituality and religion is to re-connect with that SOURCE in consciousness. We are never separate from that Source, but we FORGET our connection to it. We lose awareness of it, as we descend down the realms and octaves and dimensions, such as in this physical realm.


When you understand those 2 things, suddenly you stop worrying about Antichrist, apocalypse, the end of the world, and all that other nonsense. Mankind has gone through millions and millions of civilizations, on this planet and others. There are MANY ends and MANY beginnings. Those aren't important. What is important instead is how you live your daily life.


You should always live your daily life as if it is your last. There is no true safety or guarantee on this planet. Therefore, you need to focus with laser like precision using your mind, to achieve what you want to achieve in this lifetime. For a truly spiritual or religious person, it is the INTERNAL achievments which matter.
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The Destruction of the Temple and Signs of the End Times

Matthew 24:1 Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. 2 “Do you see all these things?” he asked. “Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.”

3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”

4 Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many. 6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of birth pains.

9 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

15 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’[a] spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. 18 Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. 19 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20 Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.

22 “If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. 23 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. 24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you ahead of time.

26 “So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27 For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28 Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.

29 “Immediately after the distress of those days

“‘the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’

30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth[c] will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.[d] 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

32 “Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 33 Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it[e] is near, right at the door. 34 Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

The Day and Hour Unknown

36 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[f] but only the Father. 37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40 Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.

42 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43 But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44 So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.

45 “Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time? 46 It will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing so when he returns. 47 Truly I tell you, he will put him in charge of all his possessions. 48 But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, ‘My master is staying away a long time,’ 49 and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards. 50 The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. 51 He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

[link to www.biblegateway.com]
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Very good study, thank you.


As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door. I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.
Matthew 24:32-35

The fig tree is Israel.

We're close to the end, but not close enough yet.


Barack Obama And Israel: The Coming Antichrist’s Useful Idiot


[link to startthinkingright.wordpress.com]


God damn America just entered a radical and aggressive new phase. But that should come as absolutely no surprise to those who a) understand the Bible and b) understand that Barack Obama is a truly evil man.

It’s almost as if Obama killed Osama and then decided to balance the scales by killing the entire nation of Israel.

Is Barack Obama the Antichrist? No. He is merely the coming Antichrist’s useful idiot.


Ultimately, this coming global dictator known as the Antichrist, the beast (Revelation 13), the man of lawlessness and the son of destruction (2 Thessalonians 2:3) and the little horn (Daniel 7:20-24), will come riding in on his white horse (Revelation 6:1) to “save the world” from impending catastrophe. There will be total economic implosion, food shortages and famine, and wars – especially in the sense of “race” (ethnos) rising against race (Luke 21:10).

And, of course, the biggest and most dangerous “race against race” of all is the incredibly better war between the Arabs and the Jews.

Antichrist will seem to have an answer for all these problems and more. This coming dictator will appear to be so effective that the world will literally worship him.

Obama is not the man who will have all the answers; he is merely the fool who leads the world into this state of total chaos and collapse. He is merely the fool who will usher in the beast and welcome him.

The coming seven-year tribulation – which will be the most terrifying and most dangerous period in the history of the entire human race – will be initiated with the antichrist’s signing of a seven-year treaty “guaranteeing” the peace of Israel (see Daniel 9:27). And Obama has brought us to the point where we are very nearly at that point.
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Here is what you need to know about the "fig tree": [link to www.herealittletherealittle.net]
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5 * thread and a heartfelt thank you.
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one-star stamp of approval - hooray!!

apollo hates my antichrist threads...
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chuckle


I would give it another 5-stars if I could.

I agree that Obama is setting the stage.
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Same here I would if I could..sort of the story of the good ones among us that can only watch as everything you know is looked upon as the bad messenger. My whole life I have tried to show other individuals a right path to follow. A true spiritual one..a path that knows no glory only truth. I believe it said in the Bible that those that followed Jesus would be persecuted first. Those that embraced truth would be mocked. In the I AM we know where we are going but other than like a kindly old Aunt I can only advise. Live an HONEST life. True to yourself true to your family.. forget the enculturation and ego. Live with less spend more time meditating and listening. If even 10 people (the power of 10) would today sit for 10 minutes and clear their minds and put into the cosmos that GOOD will win over EVIL, and become the shining light of TRUTH and HONOR. We could head this trainwreck of a culture in a different direction. I AM.. will you??

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As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door. I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.
Matthew 24:32-35





The fig tree is Israel.



We're close to the end, but not close enough yet.




Barack Obama And Israel: The Coming Antichrist’s Useful Idiot


[link to startthinkingright.wordpress.com]


God damn America just entered a radical and aggressive new phase. But that should come as absolutely no surprise to those who a) understand the Bible and b) understand that Barack Obama is a truly evil man.

It’s almost as if Obama killed Osama and then decided to balance the scales by killing the entire nation of Israel.

Is Barack Obama the Antichrist? No. He is merely the coming Antichrist’s useful idiot.


Ultimately, this coming global dictator known as the Antichrist, the beast (Revelation 13), the man of lawlessness and the son of destruction (2 Thessalonians 2:3) and the little horn (Daniel 7:20-24), will come riding in on his white horse (Revelation 6:1) to “save the world” from impending catastrophe. There will be total economic implosion, food shortages and famine, and wars – especially in the sense of “race” (ethnos) rising against race (Luke 21:10).

And, of course, the biggest and most dangerous “race against race” of all is the incredibly better war between the Arabs and the Jews.

Antichrist will seem to have an answer for all these problems and more. This coming dictator will appear to be so effective that the world will literally worship him.

Obama is not the man who will have all the answers; he is merely the fool who leads the world into this state of total chaos and collapse. He is merely the fool who will usher in the beast and welcome him.

The coming seven-year tribulation – which will be the most terrifying and most dangerous period in the history of the entire human race – will be initiated with the antichrist’s signing of a seven-year treaty “guaranteeing” the peace of Israel (see Daniel 9:27). And Obama has brought us to the point where we are very nearly at that point.
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Generation? The generation that existed in jesus' time?
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5 * thread and a heartfelt thank you.
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thank you hf
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one-star stamp of approval - hooray!!

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5 stars!
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The final man of evil will be someone who comes back from the dead. Because of this miracle.......many will follow after him.


However, satan and his angels more than likely have been kicked out of heaven. Angels are able to inhabit human bodies.


So even now......satan might be temporarily inside of a human being.....including a head of state. He will leave that person when he is done with him.
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um, give me at least one scripture or a link to a teaching on this.
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I presume a/c wanted your view on this.

revelation

13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
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one-star stamp of approval - hooray!!

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cruise

5 stars!
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American Idol GLP style.


And now! The moment you all have been waiting for!!

The Battle of the stars!!!

That star stuff is as stupid as American Idol and Dancing With The Stars.
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The final man of evil will be someone who comes back from the dead. Because of this miracle.......many will follow after him.


However, satan and his angels more than likely have been kicked out of heaven. Angels are able to inhabit human bodies.


So even now......satan might be temporarily inside of a human being.....including a head of state. He will leave that person when he is done with him.
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um, give me at least one scripture or a link to a teaching on this.
 Quoting: Salt


I presume a/c wanted your view on this.

revelation

13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
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the numerous headed beasts are not single humans. they are powers
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The final man of evil will be someone who comes back from the dead. Because of this miracle.......many will follow after him.


However, satan and his angels more than likely have been kicked out of heaven. Angels are able to inhabit human bodies.


So even now......satan might be temporarily inside of a human being.....including a head of state. He will leave that person when he is done with him.
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um, give me at least one scripture or a link to a teaching on this.
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I presume a/c wanted your view on this.

revelation

13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
 Quoting: Understudy 30546855


the numerous headed beasts are not single humans. they are powers
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Then i think a/c is linking it to this, for your view.

Revelation

17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
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man made religion is man made, you understand? You have a psychotic condition, go learn about human nature and understand your belief in this man made god is nonsense.
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man made religion is man made, you understand? You have a psychotic condition, go learn about human nature and understand your belief in this man made god is nonsense.
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I was trying to explain that to OP but in a nicer way.
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Not the mean parts, just how religion is manmade.

That is EXACTLY what I was trying to explain. Religion is the practice of following those who have attained Oneness with the One Source from which all originates from. Just like when you play the game "telephone", where one person whispers in a persons ear a phrase, and it goes down the line, and by the time it reaches the person who started it, the phrase is MUCH different. Religion is the same way.

Religion has been used and misused time and time again. ESPECIALLY by those wishing for power and wealth. Therefore, the TRUE "Holy" Bible is written in Mankind's DNA, and in the DNA of all life around us. You will NEVER find a scripture that is TRULY divine, because paper, writing utensils, and the process of writing itself is MANMADE. You are trying to bring a living concept, a living reality, down on paper. Things get lost in translation.

That is why no living being fully understands truth period. Because to UNDERSTAND truth, you have to perceive it, and come to a conclusion. THe very act of perceiving something is limiting. I'm not sure the best way I can explain it. No living being experiences Reality or Truth in its purest form. You can only know Reality according to the limits of your tools of perception. As a human, we have our 5 senses, and our Mind. We can only understand God as well as those 5 senses, and the Mind, can comprehende, which in the grand schemes of things, isn't much at ALL.


There is nothing WRONG with religion, per se. But a person who is HONESTLY and AUTHENTICALLY seeking truth needs to understand the limits of their own religion, the limits of Mankind, the limits of ANY living being.


Once again, Man is a conscious being. Man has, since his very beginning, struggled to know where we come from. What is our Source. What is our purpose? That is the purpose of religion. Every now and then , out of the billions and billions of Humans, there are a few Humans who are in alignment with our One Source. These humans are a "holy bible" themselves, or as close to one as you will get. Religions attempt to preserve the teachings and knowledge of these righteous ones....but like the game of telephone, the message gets watered down and distorted over time.
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You are clueless and in fact slandering the one whom will liberate mankind. I suggest widening your gaze, lest you march to war against God's anointed. He is NOT like Hitler, he is the return of Alexander, the physical manifestation of Apollyon, the warrior aspect or ray of Christ, the Sword of God.
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As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door. I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.
Matthew 24:32-35





The fig tree is Israel.



We're close to the end, but not close enough yet.




Barack Obama And Israel: The Coming Antichrist’s Useful Idiot


[link to startthinkingright.wordpress.com]


God damn America just entered a radical and aggressive new phase. But that should come as absolutely no surprise to those who a) understand the Bible and b) understand that Barack Obama is a truly evil man.

It’s almost as if Obama killed Osama and then decided to balance the scales by killing the entire nation of Israel.

Is Barack Obama the Antichrist? No. He is merely the coming Antichrist’s useful idiot.


Ultimately, this coming global dictator known as the Antichrist, the beast (Revelation 13), the man of lawlessness and the son of destruction (2 Thessalonians 2:3) and the little horn (Daniel 7:20-24), will come riding in on his white horse (Revelation 6:1) to “save the world” from impending catastrophe. There will be total economic implosion, food shortages and famine, and wars – especially in the sense of “race” (ethnos) rising against race (Luke 21:10).

And, of course, the biggest and most dangerous “race against race” of all is the incredibly better war between the Arabs and the Jews.

Antichrist will seem to have an answer for all these problems and more. This coming dictator will appear to be so effective that the world will literally worship him.

Obama is not the man who will have all the answers; he is merely the fool who leads the world into this state of total chaos and collapse. He is merely the fool who will usher in the beast and welcome him.

The coming seven-year tribulation – which will be the most terrifying and most dangerous period in the history of the entire human race – will be initiated with the antichrist’s signing of a seven-year treaty “guaranteeing” the peace of Israel (see Daniel 9:27). And Obama has brought us to the point where we are very nearly at that point.
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You are nearly all correct. Well done. You have a great understanding of the Word and end time events.

A couple critiques though... the 7 years was reduced to 5 months. And the Beast is setup 2.5 months before the Antichrist steps into power. He will have a very very very short run at it. However long enough for the great apostasy to commence. People will worship Lucifer since he is a super natural being.

You are right on about Obama. He is the raiser of taxes and the one that sets the stage ready for the beast and the antichrist.

I truly applaud you. keep up the good work and stay in His Word.
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preterism has been proven to be false. over and over and over and over again.

let me corral some links for you.
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Couple of links to contrast with yours, for anyone willing to at least check into it. . .

[link to www.worldwithoutend.info]

"The Parousia: A CAREFUL LOOK AT THE NEW TESTAMENT DOCTRINE OF THE LORD'S SECOND COMING (1878)"



[link to www.lookinguntojesus.net]

"An Analysis Of Matthew 24"



[link to kloposmasm.com]

"The Olivet Discourse: “This” Generation or “That” Generation (Part 1 of 4)"


Food for thought, is all.
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Food for thought based on eating the pre-chewed, pre-chewed and spewed out food.

Why do neither of you do your own work and your own homework, but rely on the teachers of antiquity?

The various theories of the interpretations of the doctrinal label Eschatology each of you things is completely exhausted by the "Doctors" of antiquity.

Why stay with blinders on as to only one particular 'theory' until you have in fact taken a deep study yourself of each 'theory'? And why do each of you pretend any of the currently standing theories isn't exactly that, a Theory of the topic's interpretation? Yet, even in kindness or anger you both go on to as if to say, "I've got the Truth"?

To really get into the exactly and deep study of this topic it is needful yourself to go to the Greek, the Aramaic, and the Latin of the New Testament, and parse its words and grammar, its syntax and semantics, word by word, phrase by phrase, clause by clause, sentence by sentence, paragraph by paragraph. And beware that each word has multiple meanings, very few words have only one meaning. You have to take that matrix of meanings and wit careful exacting study discern and decide for yourself which one (or many) of the meanings of each word is that you understand to be correct and not in the making of apparent self-contradictions with the rest of the passage, nor in apparent self-contradiction of the entire Bible.

Think you have ascertained the Truth now with your study? Continue studying for another 10, 20, even 30 years and see if you still hold the said opinion, if your derived understand will have changed at least in one or two points under consideration. You stand before God based on your own handiwork and study of the texts and all of the Word of Truth, and only God and His Son knows what the exact truth of it all is. Your task is to dig out as much of the truth as you possibly can. You are saved by Faith, not by works. If you think you have enough truth then ask God to guide you into raising up someone that died 24 hours ago. Otherwise why should any man be inclined to believe you have 'all the truth'? True we all have our limitations as to intellect, reason, logic, and senses, so that our individual knowledge, wisdom, and understanding is also limited -- some have more capacity than others, some have very little. By Faith are you made whole and not by the works of the flesh, and the use of the mind is based inpart on the flesh of the Brain.

When Jesus taught His followers, "Heal the Sick," the case was not as many imagine today, it does not mean take the sick to the doctors -- it does not mean give him health care Insurance -- but to heal that sick one yourself by the power of the gift from the Holy Spirit... but don't wait too long or you will be praying God to help you and have you raise that now dead one back to life. This is not a game.
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with respect OP, but is this going to be another load of bullshit, like the mayan and y2k and other prediction failiures
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Even the moderators here are these type of lunatics who believe in the anti-christ and come up with the most retarded 'proof' about it? Lol
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No worrie cuz, ALOHA goin fix you.
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Op Very good.

I have been looking for more watchers on here.

You might want to watch for the alter being shut down and the abomination being set up.

This sign signifies the Beginning of the 1/2 way point to the end of days according to King James Version.

I'm going to start watching close for that sign next year at the close of winter.

Thank You
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Here's a timeline, lots of jumps to get to this but...

October 21st, 2011 (Shemini Atzeret, the day Jesus was born) to April 3rd, 2015 (Blood Red Moon Passover) Exactly 1260 days. (Revelation 12)

The birth pain period or also known as the tribulation period.

First 2 Blood Moons April 15 (Passover) and October 8 (Feast of Tabernacles)

April 3rd/4th, 2015 (Nissan 14- 1st Passover) Half hour of silence (30 days) (1260 days to 1290 days).

May 3rd, 2015 (Iyar 14- The 2nd Passover)- The Day of Wrath. Great tribulation begins.

Another coincidence, but I believe Noah entered the ark on this same date (Iyar-14) and the floodgates were opened 3 days later.

Revelation 9:15

Also if you add 1 year, 1 month, 1 day to May 3rd, 2015 (Iyar 14-Second Passover) you arrive at June 4th, 2016, which is Iyar 27 or Ascension Day. Apparently it's the same day that Noah left the Ark, and same day Jesus ascended into Heaven after the resurrection.
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Op Very good.

I have been looking for more watchers on here.

You might want to watch for the alter being shut down and the abomination being set up.

This sign signifies the Beginning of the 1/2 way point to the end of days according to King James Version.

I'm going to start watching close for that sign next year at the close of winter.

Thank You
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yep. i think 2013 will be a very interesting year, prophetically speaking.
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The Destruction of the Temple and Signs of the End Times

o all nations, and then the end will come.

Matthew 24:15 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’[a] spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. 18 Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. 19 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20 Pray that [yourflight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.

22 “If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. 23 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. 24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you ahead of time.

26 “So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27 For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28 Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.

 Quoting: Salt


I have 'en-boldened' a pronoun, an English pronoun supplied by the translators from the Greek, Latin, and/or Amaraic and the translators decision as to how to translate that other language pronoun into the English pronoun.

The pronoun I have 'en-boldened' is this English pronoun, "you", 2nd person, non-neuter, singular/plural pronoun. If this was KJV English it would have been cast as "Ye" to reflect the plural nature of this pronoun... in modern English the pronoun "You" does double duty as a singular but also as a plural. The verb tense is what? You decided from the words and the parts of speech of the verbs in their given context.

But I would ask Ye, To Whom does this Pronoun English "You" refer to in each of its usages in the verses above?

Of course this approach of interpretation is called "Constructional" of form of the interpretation of Words into Meanings. Since we do not have the people at that site at that time available to use today to interview, we cannot take an "Originalist" approach, or even perhaps a combination of the "Constructionist/Originalist".

In my own derived understandings, in these 'en-boldened' passages above refers to those self same Disciples sitting right there on the Mount of Olives where Jesus was also sitting and instructing them.

Your mileage may vary.

But I attempt to show the attempts to do deeper study than mere quick glance over once or twice while you hare reading a teaching from some other person.

The Matrix of Meanings of the Entire Bible is a hyper-dimensional matrix when both the grammar and the semantics of it all is mapped out. The Street is very broad, wide, deep, and long; the Path to get from A to B through that Street is very narrow.
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had a dream yesterday and was told, that the abomination of desolation, was meant to be sounded as "the obama nation of desolation" was just a dream, but was weird.
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preterism has been proven to be false. over and over and over and over again.

let me corral some links for you.
 Quoting: Salt


Couple of links to contrast with yours, for anyone willing to at least check into it. . .

[link to www.worldwithoutend.info]

"The Parousia: A CAREFUL LOOK AT THE NEW TESTAMENT DOCTRINE OF THE LORD'S SECOND COMING (1878)"



[link to www.lookinguntojesus.net]

"An Analysis Of Matthew 24"



[link to kloposmasm.com]

"The Olivet Discourse: “This” Generation or “That” Generation (Part 1 of 4)"


Food for thought, is all.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8788578

Food for thought based on eating the pre-chewed, pre-chewed and spewed out food.

Why do neither of you do your own work and your own homework, but rely on the teachers of antiquity?

The various theories of the interpretations of the doctrinal label Eschatology each of you things is completely exhausted by the "Doctors" of antiquity.

Why stay with blinders on as to only one particular 'theory' until you have in fact taken a deep study yourself of each 'theory'? And why do each of you pretend any of the currently standing theories isn't exactly that, a Theory of the topic's interpretation? Yet, even in kindness or anger you both go on to as if to say, "I've got the Truth"?

To really get into the exactly and deep study of this topic it is needful yourself to go to the Greek, the Aramaic, and the Latin of the New Testament, and parse its words and grammar, its syntax and semantics, word by word, phrase by phrase, clause by clause, sentence by sentence, paragraph by paragraph. And beware that each word has multiple meanings, very few words have only one meaning. You have to take that matrix of meanings and wit careful exacting study discern and decide for yourself which one (or many) of the meanings of each word is that you understand to be correct and not in the making of apparent self-contradictions with the rest of the passage, nor in apparent self-contradiction of the entire Bible.

Think you have ascertained the Truth now with your study? Continue studying for another 10, 20, even 30 years and see if you still hold the said opinion, if your derived understand will have changed at least in one or two points under consideration. You stand before God based on your own handiwork and study of the texts and all of the Word of Truth, and only God and His Son knows what the exact truth of it all is. Your task is to dig out as much of the truth as you possibly can. You are saved by Faith, not by works. If you think you have enough truth then ask God to guide you into raising up someone that died 24 hours ago. Otherwise why should any man be inclined to believe you have 'all the truth'? True we all have our limitations as to intellect, reason, logic, and senses, so that our individual knowledge, wisdom, and understanding is also limited -- some have more capacity than others, some have very little. By Faith are you made whole and not by the works of the flesh, and the use of the mind is based inpart on the flesh of the Brain.

When Jesus taught His followers, "Heal the Sick," the case was not as many imagine today, it does not mean take the sick to the doctors -- it does not mean give him health care Insurance -- but to heal that sick one yourself by the power of the gift from the Holy Spirit... but don't wait too long or you will be praying God to help you and have you raise that now dead one back to life. This is not a game.
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wtf

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