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When is the end? The marker is the lesson from the fig tree. Obama is the Antichrist's useful idiot.

 
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had a dream yesterday and was told, that the abomination of desolation, was meant to be sounded as "the obama nation of desolation" was just a dream, but was weird.
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I guess the point as was being told me in the dream, was that it was that those words were misunderstood by John and written down as he understood them.
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Here's a timeline, lots of jumps to get to this but...

October 21st, 2011 (Shemini Atzeret, the day Jesus was born) to April 3rd, 2015 (Blood Red Moon Passover) Exactly 1260 days. (Revelation 12)

The birth pain period or also known as the tribulation period.

First 2 Blood Moons April 15 (Passover) and October 8 (Feast of Tabernacles)

April 3rd/4th, 2015 (Nissan 14- 1st Passover) Half hour of silence (30 days) (1260 days to 1290 days).

May 3rd, 2015 (Iyar 14- The 2nd Passover)- The Day of Wrath. Great tribulation begins.

Another coincidence, but I believe Noah entered the ark on this same date (Iyar-14) and the floodgates were opened 3 days later.

Revelation 9:15

Also if you add 1 year, 1 month, 1 day to May 3rd, 2015 (Iyar 14-Second Passover) you arrive at June 4th, 2016, which is Iyar 27 or Ascension Day. Apparently it's the same day that Noah left the Ark, and same day Jesus ascended into Heaven after the resurrection.
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hey arsehole, stop with these dates - Y2K FAIL 21/12/12 FAIL so will all the shit you've just forced out of your mouth will
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I've never found fault with the Bible, and I've read many books out of it, MANY times throughout my life. What I do find fault with, and so do most non-orthodox christians, is when so called "Christians" (As if they actually have any idea who Christ even was, lol), claim:

1) The bible is divine
2) The bible was written by God
3) Jesus is the only way to God
4) Their religion is the only way


All of those assertions are false, and #3 and #4 are ESPECIALLY offensive. Truth is like light. If you shine light through a prism, it separates into various colors. Which color is the REAL color? They are all aspects of the same light. This is how God has revealed itself to Mankind. Due to the difference in time, space, culture, history, mindset, etc.....there are an infinite ways to Oneness, and Oneness has revealed itself to mankind according to where Mankind is at that moment , in time/space.

Everything come from One Source. That is one of the FIRST concepts anybody who is religious or spiritual, in an authentic sense, will come to realize.

The second thing anyone truly spiritual or religious will realize is that the PURPOSE of spirituality and religion is to re-connect with that SOURCE in consciousness. We are never separate from that Source, but we FORGET our connection to it. We lose awareness of it, as we descend down the realms and octaves and dimensions, such as in this physical realm.


When you understand those 2 things, suddenly you stop worrying about Antichrist, apocalypse, the end of the world, and all that other nonsense. Mankind has gone through millions and millions of civilizations, on this planet and others. There are MANY ends and MANY beginnings. Those aren't important. What is important instead is how you live your daily life.


You should always live your daily life as if it is your last. There is no true safety or guarantee on this planet. Therefore, you need to focus with laser like precision using your mind, to achieve what you want to achieve in this lifetime. For a truly spiritual or religious person, it is the INTERNAL achievments which matter.
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show us another book written by tens of people on multiple continents in multiple languages that have a consistent and prophetic story-line...

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millions and millions of civilizations?

and you probably fell for "evolution" too, right? it happens... who would have guessed?

check your education and who runs it.

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The Millennial Kingdom Reign of Jesus Christ
by Matthew McGee

After the rapture of the church, after the seven year tribulation, and after the second coming, Jesus Christ will reign in His kingdom. What will the kingdom be like? Here we will examine some of the basic characteristics of the kingdom.

The Duration of the Kingdom

One of the most concise and informative passages on the kingdom occurs in Revelation. After the description of the Lord's second coming in chapter 19, but before the great white throne judgment in Revelation 20:11-15 and the eternal kingdom in chapters 21 and 22, we have this description of the kingdom.

Revelation 20:1-10 says, "And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."

This passage makes several things very clear. Satan will be bound and unable to influence mankind. The first resurrection, the resurrection of the Old Testament saints (Daniel 12:2-3 and 12:13) and tribulation saints, will occur at the beginning of the kingdom. This resurrection is not to be confused with the resurrection of the Christians at the rapture, which will occur seven years earlier, prior to the tribulation. The rapture was a mystery first revealed to Apostle Paul and is not the subject of either Old Testament prophecy or prophecies given in Christ's earthly ministry.

The duration of this kingdom will be one millennium. This passage makes this very clear by telling us not just once but six times that it will last one thousand years. Satan will be released for a brief period after the one thousand years. This passage may bring questions to the minds of many readers, but hopefully, the remainder of this paper will adequately address most of them. For a description of the eternal kingdom which will follow this one thousand year kingdom, one may read Revelation chapters 21 and 22.

An End to Wars

There will be no war during this one thousand years, until Satan is released (Revelation 20:7-9) for a short period at the end. In reference to Jesus Christ, Micah 4:3 says, "And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more." Isaiah 2:4 is very similar passage. Not only will there no longer be any war, but the weapons will be dismantled and battle strategies will no longer be taught.

Israel will be at peace and dwell safely in the kingdom. "Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth. In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS" (Jeremiah 23:5-6). This is certainly in contrast to the present with Israel surrounded by her enemies on all sides.

Jesus Christ's Judgment and the Restored Judges

The Micah and Jeremiah verses above also refer to Jesus Christ judging the nations of the earth. He will do so in all wisdom and perfect justice, with a rod of iron. "And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God" (Revelation 19:15). He will reign as a literal king on a throne, dwelling in Jerusalem. He will also restore the judges to Israel. "And I will restore thy judges as at the first, and thy counsellors as at the beginning: afterward thou shalt be called, The city of righteousness, the faithful city" (Isaiah 1:26). Who will the judges of the twelve tribes of Israel be? Jesus Christ told His disciples, "... Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel" (Matthew 19:28).

Israel will be a Kingdom of Priests

"Thus saith the LORD of hosts; It shall yet come to pass, that there shall come people, and the inhabitants of many cities: And the inhabitants of one city shall go to another, saying, Let us go speedily to pray before the LORD, and to seek the LORD of hosts: I will go also. Yea, many people and strong nations shall come to seek the LORD of hosts in Jerusalem, and to pray before the LORD. Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you" (Zechariah 8:20-23).

"Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel" (Exodus 19:5-6).


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wow. my mind is popping! nice one.

I agree, we have time before the anti-christ is here... I don't see him on the world stage yet, really... feels like we are shimmying our way there at a pretty good pace...

the above makes me think of Ken Peterson's testimony and the beheadings... sometimes I think about how surreal it will be to be beheaded... and unreal... to know that we will pop out of our bodies... like taking off a snowboard from the feet...

reading this also non-sequitored me into thinking that the reason tptb and supernatural have chosen jewish occult people to work through may be to discredit the bible and Christ...

so many think the world has been invaded by satanists or is controlled by talmudic jews... and that Christianity is a mind control... when really it is mind-liberating...

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wow. my mind is popping! nice one.

I agree, we have time before the anti-christ is here... I don't see him on the world stage yet, really... feels like we are shimmying our way there at a pretty good pace...

the above makes me think of Ken Peterson's testimony and the beheadings... sometimes I think about how surreal it will be to be beheaded... and unreal... to know that we will pop out of our bodies... like taking off a snowboard from the feet...

reading this also non-sequitored me into thinking that the reason tptb and supernatural have chosen jewish occult people to work through may be to discredit the bible and Christ...

so many think the world has been invaded by satanists or is controlled by talmudic jews... and that Christianity is a mind control... when really it is mind-liberating...


:)
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yes yes and yes

but, keep in mind that these are not real jews. they are satanic torah-less false jews. and they are the worst of the worst. even i am afraid to make threads about them at this point. there is much to say, but i'm not sure how safe it is.
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"Generation? The generation that existed in jesus' time?"

Speaking of Generation... far too many want to put an absolute Year span for the term Generation. While we might get away with that in modern times, in is rather inaccurate to use the term "a Generation" as a certain number of years of a collection of people without first understanding the basic meaning of the term.

Sadly we have basically allowed our MSM to re-define or at least narrow down the meaning of the term Generation. When they tend to use a 10 year span of time e.g., the Generation staring in 1990 and spanning to 2000, i.e., a Ten Year spanned Generation.

It could even be argued that all the people born on Feb 14th, 2012 are a single and separate generation from all those born on Feb 15th, 2012.

Or then perhaps all those born within a certain year, like 1971, world-wide, being a different generation from all those born in 1972 or 1970.

Then there is that Father to Son generation, Mother to Son generation, Father to Daughter generation, and perhaps Mother to Daughter generation. The Plural, generations, also has its hazards in application of the term.

"This generation shall not pass." And by this writing right here, I this writer do mean This generation, all those that are alive right now on Dec 21st, 2012 A.D. But had I said that in 1812 A.D., "This generation shall not pass" what would I have meant? All those who were alive during a given year, 1812 A.D. I would not be including those alive later on in 2012 A.D. Such is the way that many people will understand the meaning of "this generation" as it was spoken in perhaps 30 A.D. or perhaps 33 A.D. (depends on which chronology one is going by as to the actual date of birth and start of Jesus' ministry and how many years his ministry was). But at any rate, let's 'ass-u-me' it was 33 A.D.

Being stated in 33 A.D., 'This generation shall not pass...,' could only have merit to understanding that 33 A.D. to be the same generation as the generation of 2012 A.D. only if there is at least one person that was in that 33 A.D. generation that is still alive on this day and time of 2012 A.D., otherwise, that former generation's (of 33 A.D.)people have been dead and gone for many many centuries.

But there is another problem to be had, that of the pronoun used in the English, "This" as found in that English translation, "this generation shall not pass..." Where in is the difference between, "this" and "that" as a demonstrative pronoun? In fact to be a bit more precise one should consult the Greek, the Aramaic, and perhaps the Old Latin pronouns of that verse to see if either "this" or "that" is even supplied in the given other language text.

Let it be known that given three interpretors a single question and you might get nine different answers.

All one can really do it put forth and share their own derived understanding, or borrower a derived understanding from someone else's work in deriving their understanding.

This is why there are so many different denominations, creeds, and sects in any Faith System and their Religions.

Only God knows which even if any of them hold the entire whole unvarnished Truth.

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5 * & an amen OP.
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Petrus Romanus
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not the anti-christ, but the False Prophet, his right hand man
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Agreed!
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The false prophet(priest) is the fore-runner to the anti-christ(king). You can't have the king come before his fore-runner. Just as John the baptist(spirit of Elijah) was a fore-runner to Jesus.
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not even The False Prophet, but rather perhaps, A False Prophet.. but then to is it not also possible that those making the allegations are in and of themselves False Teachers?

"The Anti-Christ" is found no where at all in the Bible as a direct and explicit phrase, such use is but a derived understanding at the best or worst. There however the explicit (at least in the English translations) the phrase, "of the spirit of an anti-christ".

Oh, and for the record, King David was both King and a Prophet. Some things are not as nice and neatly bound as some would have you think.

Any give Prophet listening to their "God" could receive the direct commandment to anoint himself as King, for that matter, and hence be both Prophet and King, but even in such case the being a prophet would come before becoming a king.

Given the scriptural aspect and operational definition of its own term, "of the spirit of an anti-christ", we at first principles need to look at that operational definition even if we were to later consider such as the phrase, "The Anti-Christ", would we not? What are the qualifications for meeting that operational definition?

What then is an 'anti-christ'?

Once we figure that out, then perhaps we could consider whether or not someone is 'of the spirit of an anti-christ".

First go to the Epistles of John and dig out the various parts of his given operational definition of the term 'an anti-christ'.

Secondly come to understand the meaning, which of all the various meanings, of the term 'spirit' that John is using. You might discover that it has a meaning (among many) of what we would now term, "a mind-set".

Four verses contain that term, 'anti-christ' only four of the entire Bible.

1st John 2:18
1st John 2:22
1st John 4:3
2nd John 1:7

If you do not understand these for verses in their passages context you will not know what the foundational stones of meaning this term 'an antichrist' has, so how then could you go on to say that such this or that one man is 'The Antichrist" since you would have no idea what the term in the Bible defines it to mean.

Take those four verses in their entire context, and not just those verses themselves, or you will be missing John's discourse and discussion of that term in application.

Test yourself, Are you according to those criteria, yourself 'of the spirit of an anti-christ'?

If you find that by those qualifications, then, well, who then knows, you yourself might actually be "The Anti-Christ".

Aleister Crowley felt that he himself was of the spirit of an anti-christ, yet he claimed for himself that he was The Beast, 666. Does his assertion mean that is how God understood him to be? A.C. was Role Playing.

John write, "try the spirits.... " put them to the test, are they are are they not, these spirits of GOD or not?

For that matter try on the definition of 'spirit' (for fit and size) with the meaning 'a mind-set' and see how far that travels in traveling along the road of coming to understand these passages.

If Obama cannot be tried and tested and found to be 'of the spirit of an anti-christ' by those criteria, then how would it be that he could be "The Anti-Christ"?

Oh anyone for that matter.
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there are anti-christs and there is THE anti-christ

all part of the same program
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Take a look at the title of the pope vicar of Christ. The pope claims to be basically equal to Christ. In place of Christ on earth.

If you look up ANTI, you'll see that it also means IN PLACE OF.
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Indeed one of the various meanings is in face, 'in the place of', i.e., 'a substitute'.

Another meaning is "in opposition of..."

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there are anti-christs and there is THE anti-christ

all part of the same program
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Take a look at the title of the pope vicar of Christ. The pope claims to be basically equal to Christ. In place of Christ on earth.

If you look up ANTI, you'll see that it also means IN PLACE OF.
 Quoting: TXGal4Truth


Indeed one of the various meanings is in face, 'in the place of', i.e., 'a substitute'.

Another meaning is "in opposition of..."

Take no substitutes. Do now put on Lavender when you want to put on Pink. Accept no Substitutes, get the Real McCoy.
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there are anti-christs and there is THE anti-christ

all part of the same program
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Take a look at the title of the pope vicar of Christ. The pope claims to be basically equal to Christ. In place of Christ on earth.

If you look up ANTI, you'll see that it also means IN PLACE OF.
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Sounds like something jack chick would have said.


this is more protestant smearing of catholicism
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Luther was not the first to take that stance, there were others hundreds of years before Luther. Most of the Orthodox are of the basic same opinion and yet hide their convict long long before Luther's mother and father were a gleam in their parents. Just saying.
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there are anti-christs and there is THE anti-christ

all part of the same program
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Take a look at the title of the pope vicar of Christ. The pope claims to be basically equal to Christ. In place of Christ on earth.

If you look up ANTI, you'll see that it also means IN PLACE OF.
 Quoting: TXGal4Truth



Sounds like something jack chick would have said.


this is more protestant smearing of catholicism
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Luther was not the first to take that stance, there were others hundreds of years before Luther. Most of the Orthodox are of the basic same opinion and yet hide their convict long long before Luther's mother and father were a gleam in their parents. Just saying.
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yet held, held, held their
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5 * & an amen OP.
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thanks.

i love your avatar...
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Did you see this Salt?

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damned

trippy...

obama cannot be the anti-christ.
he does not meet the prophetic criteria

As noted, the Bible also makes it clear that The Antichrist must be Roman. That is because Daniel 9:24-27 requires this. Most people misread these verses. The syntax of the original language of the text requires that the 'he' of verse 27 refers to the "prince that shall come" of verse 26. So neither a Chinese, African, Asian, Polynesian, native American nor any other aboriginal group can provide The Antichrist. Probably only about 1 billion people at most count as "Roman". Half of them are women! As noted below, definite articles, indefinite articles, and as above pronouns, have to be handled carefully when reading ancient texts in languages like Hebrew, Chaldean etc.


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YOu have the exact hand written autograph signed original text or Daniel that Daniel and/or his scribe wrote down on the parchment or whatever it was written on? If you do not, then you do not have the ORIGINAL text. Period.

Quit actually like you or others do have it.

It is hard enough to work there the Hebrew and Aramaic versions of the copies of copies of copies of copies of what is alleged to be sourced from the Original.

In the earliest Hebrew/Aramaic manuscripts by the way those copies of copies of copies that we do have the lettering is not in the Masoretic Square "Font", nor are then any vowel markings or other diacritical markings what so ever.

This is what you get from using sources other than your own work and study, things like: [link to wiki.answers.com]

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The final man of evil will be someone who comes back from the dead. Because of this miracle.......many will follow after him.


However, satan and his angels more than likely have been kicked out of heaven. Angels are able to inhabit human bodies.


So even now......satan might be temporarily inside of a human being.....including a head of state. He will leave that person when he is done with him.
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um, give me at least one scripture or a link to a teaching on this.
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"The beast that you saw was, and is not, and will ascend out of the bottomless pit. And those who dwell on the earth will marvel.........when they see the beast that was, and is not, and yet is." (Rev. 17: 8)





"I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast."

"So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, 'Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?'

"And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months."

(Rev 13: 3-5)
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Were you around when Israel became a nation ? = fig tree.

Most people now are Satan incarnate, they refused Christ/Messiah and are about to be removed from His Presence as it was in Naoh's day, Christians cannot be fooled, but "Christians" are fooled. Israel is the only country on earth who is praying to the right God by default, no other country on earth is praying to the right God !

All governments and religions have expired, nothing is working anymore = Grace blends into eternity, time of Grace ends for those who refuse to repent.

It is only individuals across the globe who Know and who are praying to the right God. You can pray to the right God and still be lost.

The revelation is, there is only one God and His Name is Jesus the Messiah and He works in three powerful Offices while the west chopped Him up into three individual persons = blinded the people so they cannot see - mega deceit = billions of souls lost !!!!! MEGA CRIME THE BIGGEST !

Obama took on ash when he came into office, take away all tax monies and see what you have = ashes = unrighteous human race !

Obama needs to repent no person is exempt. The west is doomed, they are ashes, they are playing in ash. Reject Christ you are finished !
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(I have take the liberty to reformat your post slightly to make it easier to read for me.)

I know that I was not.

What constitutes a 'nation' anyways?

How about starting with a nuclear Family, Jacob/Israel, his four child bearing wives, the twelve resulting sons (and one daughter by the way) and their twelve or more wives respectively and then their children and children's children. This long before the exodus from Egypt, btw... in fact even before they first went down into Egypt, there was that nuclear family, and even its extended family.

Christians, that is to say all those that are not already of one of the Tribes of Israel, are grafted into the Tree of Israel, by birth, perhaps into the Tribe of Joseph, and hence became a part of Israel as a People of God.

Not all those that say they are of Israel are of Israel. God only knows. It has been granted by God, that when the time to come the Angels of God in Heaven are tasked and commissioned to separate the Wheat from the Tares -- and no man is ever tasked by God to do so, ever. I.e., only God knows who is of the Tree of Israel and who is not. Clear and simple. Lay aside all the strife and contention and repent your error of presuming to know what God himself only knows at this day and time.
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The final man of evil appears to be one of seven past leaders........who comes back to life.

Most people will marvel when they see this miracle......and follow after him.


"And the beast that was, and is not, is himself also the 8th, and is of the seven......


Rev. 17: 11
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The final man of evil appears to be one of seven past leaders........who comes back to life.

Most people will marvel when they see this miracle......and follow after him.


"And the beast that was, and is not, is himself also the 8th, and is of the seven......


Rev. 17: 11
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This might be one of seven past leaders who persecuted or tried to wipe out Israel.
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The final man of evil will be someone who comes back from the dead. Because of this miracle.......many will follow after him.


However, satan and his angels more than likely have been kicked out of heaven. Angels are able to inhabit human bodies.


So even now......satan might be temporarily inside of a human being.....including a head of state. He will leave that person when he is done with him.
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um, give me at least one scripture or a link to a teaching on this.
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I presume a/c wanted your view on this.

revelation

13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
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the numerous headed beasts are not single humans. they are powers
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Just look at all those English Pronouns, oh what Fun. Without a good understanding of Grammar and a proper application of Grammar, how can you even start to know which pronoun where belongs to which noun where?

Here is an attempt to solve some of the puzzle of the Pronouns. Your mileage may vary. Do your own work.

And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which [the beast] hath the seven heads and ten horns. The beast that thou sawest [the beast] was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
(Rev 17:7-8 KJV)

"was, and is not, and shall ascend..." Notice the verb tenses and consider it as the time it was given forth in spoken prophecy and written down. Much hinges on when that was Written. It most certainly was not written first in 1611 or even in any English book first.

And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads [of the beast] are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. And there are seven kings: five [kings] are fallen, and one [king] is, and the other [the other king] is not yet come; and when he [the 7th king] cometh, he [the 7th king] must continue a short space. And the beast that was, and is not, even he [the beast] is the eighth [8th King], and is of the seven [kings], and goeth into perdition.
(Rev 17:9-11 KJV)

Again, pay attention to the verb tenses, and remember when this was first written down and to whom it was first given to... that very self-same "This generation" in that John himself was still alive he was still of that "This generation" and as Apostle (if this John was an Apostle) then John was sitting with Jesus on Mt Olives hearing Him instruct him (John) along with the other disciples sitting there. -- later this John receives the contents of the Revelation of Jesus Christ as given to Him from God, and 'him' from Jesus's Angel, and in a Vision. THe fact that some of this is in a Vision, it indicates that "The Last Days" had already started and did not wait another 1,900+ years later to start coming to pass.

It is not until we get to this, "And there are seven kings:" that we might maybe have the understanding these Seven Kings are either Spirits, Fallen Angels, or Men.

In that the Beast is called one of the Kings, and this Beast itself has the seven heads, upon its body, the Kings or "Rulers", could not be 'human beings'. The phrase TPTB come to mind, except not all of them ARE at the same time in sequence of appearing.
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man made religion is man made, you understand? You have a psychotic condition, go learn about human nature and understand your belief in this man made god is nonsense.
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You apparently perfer the Religion of Psychology to guide you. Or should I say Philosophy, that which is of the wisdom of men, who cannot even see the other side of the Universe 30 Billion light years back in time.

Keep your own Religion of Psychology and its Psycharitry wish you believe and have Faith in, blindly for the most part.
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Here's a timeline, lots of jumps to get to this but...

October 21st, 2011 (Shemini Atzeret, the day Jesus was born) to April 3rd, 2015 (Blood Red Moon Passover) Exactly 1260 days. (Revelation 12)

The birth pain period or also known as the tribulation period.

First 2 Blood Moons April 15 (Passover) and October 8 (Feast of Tabernacles)

April 3rd/4th, 2015 (Nissan 14- 1st Passover) Half hour of silence (30 days) (1260 days to 1290 days).

May 3rd, 2015 (Iyar 14- The 2nd Passover)- The Day of Wrath. Great tribulation begins.

Another coincidence, but I believe Noah entered the ark on this same date (Iyar-14) and the floodgates were opened 3 days later.

Revelation 9:15

Also if you add 1 year, 1 month, 1 day to May 3rd, 2015 (Iyar 14-Second Passover) you arrive at June 4th, 2016, which is Iyar 27 or Ascension Day. Apparently it's the same day that Noah left the Ark, and same day Jesus ascended into Heaven after the resurrection.
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hey arsehole, stop with these dates - Y2K FAIL 21/12/12 FAIL so will all the shit you've just forced out of your mouth will
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Date settings pertaining to the Second Coming of teh Son of Man are False Teachers. Anyone that has really studied the Bible understands and knows that truth.

Thank you, '...777'
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"The beast that you saw was, and is not, and will ascend out of the bottomless pit. And those who dwell on the earth will marvel.........when they see the beast that was, and is not, and yet is." (Rev. 17: 8)

"I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast."

"So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, 'Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?'

"And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months."

(Rev 13: 3-5)
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"I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast."

1st step, replace the pronoun 'his' with its referential noun, 'the beast'.

2nd Step, remembering that 'the heads' are in this context are 'mountains'. whether symbolic or not we can wait to decide. Replace the 'heads' with the term 'mountians'.

3rd. do similar with the pronounm 'it', with 'that mountain'

4th step, deal with the next pronoun 'his' in 'his deadly wound'..

5th Those which are born-again of God's spirit are not OF the world. Hence it is those of the world that will marvel; those that are born again of God's Spirit will not marvel whatsoever.

I get the following derivation:

"I, John, saw one of the beasts' mountains as if that mountain had been mortally wounded, and his [that mountain's or the beast's?] deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast."

Now you are tasked to figure out what 'mountain' means in the symbolism unless mountain and beast are to be taken literally.

One seeking should do their own work and own homework.
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Is Barack Obama the Antichrist? No. He is merely the coming Antichrist’s useful idiot.


Ultimately, this coming global dictator known as the Antichrist, the beast (Revelation 13), the man of lawlessness and the son of destruction (2 Thessalonians 2:3) and the little horn (Daniel 7:20-24), will come riding in on his white horse (Revelation 6:1) to “save the world” from impending catastrophe. There will be total economic implosion, food shortages and famine, and wars – especially in the sense of “race” (ethnos) rising against race (Luke 21:10).

Obama is not the man who will have all the answers; he is merely the fool who leads the world into this state of total chaos and collapse. He is merely the fool who will usher in the beast and welcome him.

The coming seven-year tribulation – which will be the most terrifying and most dangerous period in the history of the entire human race – will be initiated with the antichrist’s signing of a seven-year treaty “guaranteeing” the peace of Israel (see Daniel 9:27). And Obama has brought us to the point where we are very nearly at that point.
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Have you read anything that show the 70 weeks were fulfilled as a single block of time? The 'he' that confirms a covenant is the same one in the verse below. From when John the Baptist was called until the cross was 3 1/2 years and from the cross to to Acts:10 is the last 3 1/2 years of the whole 70 weeks. The end times run on a 3 1/2 year frame work as that is how long the Beast from the Pit is given.

Da:9:4:
And I prayed unto the LORD my God,
and made my confession,
and said,
O Lord,
the great and dreadful God,
keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him
,
and to them that keep his commandments;


The 7 year covenant (if you really want one there)is made by Jesus with the whole House of Israel (the 144,000 plus the resurrected in Eze:37)

The rider of the white horse is God, the horse is the Holy Spirit and the (empty) bow id solved by the verse below.

Isa:49:2:
And he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword;
in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me,
and made me a polished shaft;
in his quiver hath he hid me
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"The beast that you saw was, and is not, and will ascend out of the bottomless pit. And those who dwell on the earth will marvel.........when they see the beast that was, and is not, and yet is." (Rev. 17: 8)

"I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast."

"So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, 'Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?'

"And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months."

(Rev 13: 3-5)
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"I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast."

1st step, replace the pronoun 'his' with its referential noun, 'the beast'.

2nd Step, remembering that 'the heads' are in this context are 'mountains'. whether symbolic or not we can wait to decide. Replace the 'heads' with the term 'mountians'.

3rd. do similar with the pronounm 'it', with 'that mountain'

4th step, deal with the next pronoun 'his' in 'his deadly wound'..

5th Those which are born-again of God's spirit are not OF the world. Hence it is those of the world that will marvel; those that are born again of God's Spirit will not marvel whatsoever.

I get the following derivation:

"I, John, saw one of the beasts' mountains as if that mountain had been mortally wounded, and his [that mountain's or the beast's?] deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast."

Now you are tasked to figure out what 'mountain' means in the symbolism unless mountain and beast are to be taken literally.

One seeking should do their own work and own homework.
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Does you theory hold up after reading the vision before this explanation?

Re:17:7-14:
And the angel said unto me,
Wherefore didst thou marvel?
I will tell thee the mystery of the woman,
and of the beast that carrieth her,
which hath the seven heads and ten horns.
The beast that thou sawest was,
and is not;
and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit,
and go into perdition:
and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder,
whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world,
when they behold the beast that was,
and is not,
and yet is.
And here is the mind which hath wisdom.
The seven heads are seven mountains,
on which the woman sitteth.
And there are seven kings:
five are fallen,
and one is,
and the other is not yet come;
and when he cometh,
he must continue a short space.

And the beast that was,
and is not,
even he is the eighth,
and is of the seven,
and goeth into perdition.
And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings,
which have received no kingdom as yet;
but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
These have one mind,
and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

These shall make war with the Lamb,
and the Lamb shall overcome them:
for he is Lord of lords,
and King of kings:
and they that are with him are called,
and chosen,
and faithful.

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The final man of evil appears to be one of seven past leaders........who comes back to life.

Most people will marvel when they see this miracle......and follow after him.


"And the beast that was, and is not, is himself also the 8th, and is of the seven......


Rev. 17: 11
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clone?
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The final man of evil appears to be one of seven past leaders........who comes back to life.

Most people will marvel when they see this miracle......and follow after him.


"And the beast that was, and is not, is himself also the 8th, and is of the seven......


Rev. 17: 11
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clone?
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He will be released from the pit for a short time.
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The final man of evil appears to be one of seven past leaders........who comes back to life.

Most people will marvel when they see this miracle......and follow after him.


"And the beast that was, and is not, is himself also the 8th, and is of the seven......


Rev. 17: 11
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clone?
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He will be released from the pit for a short time.
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yeah, that's ancient speak for clone.

maybe?
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I have heard all of this 100 times before.

Do you have any inside information? If not, what is the point...