When is the end? The marker is the lesson from the fig tree. Obama is the Antichrist's useful idiot.

Take a look at the title of the pope vicar of Christ. The pope claims to be basically equal to Christ. In place of Christ on earth.

If you look up ANTI, you'll see that it also means IN PLACE OF.

Abdullah II of Jordan

any takers?

take a look at the thread i posted above about the 46 prophecies the antichrist must fulfill.

the pope is the False Prophet.
he is pure evil and satan's right hand man.

antichrist can't complete his mission without false prophet
it's main MO is trickery.

Finally! A Mod who knows what is going on! God bless you Salt!!

Will do.

Sounds like something jack chick would have said.


this is more protestant smearing of catholicism

from the article in my OP

Ultimately, this coming global dictator known as the Antichrist, the beast (Revelation 13), the man of lawlessness and the son of destruction (2 Thessalonians 2:3) and the little horn (Daniel 7:20-24), will come riding in on his white horse (Revelation 6:1) to “save the world” from impending catastrophe. There will be total economic implosion, food shortages and famine, and wars – especially in the sense of “race” (ethnos) rising against race (Luke 21:10).

The Millennial Kingdom Reign of Jesus Christ
by Matthew McGee

After the rapture of the church, after the seven year tribulation, and after the second coming, Jesus Christ will reign in His kingdom. What will the kingdom be like? Here we will examine some of the basic characteristics of the kingdom.

The Duration of the Kingdom

One of the most concise and informative passages on the kingdom occurs in Revelation. After the description of the Lord's second coming in chapter 19, but before the great white throne judgment in Revelation 20:11-15 and the eternal kingdom in chapters 21 and 22, we have this description of the kingdom.

Revelation 20:1-10 says, "And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."

This passage makes several things very clear. Satan will be bound and unable to influence mankind. The first resurrection, the resurrection of the Old Testament saints (Daniel 12:2-3 and 12:13) and tribulation saints, will occur at the beginning of the kingdom. This resurrection is not to be confused with the resurrection of the Christians at the rapture, which will occur seven years earlier, prior to the tribulation. The rapture was a mystery first revealed to Apostle Paul and is not the subject of either Old Testament prophecy or prophecies given in Christ's earthly ministry.

The duration of this kingdom will be one millennium. This passage makes this very clear by telling us not just once but six times that it will last one thousand years. Satan will be released for a brief period after the one thousand years. This passage may bring questions to the minds of many readers, but hopefully, the remainder of this paper will adequately address most of them. For a description of the eternal kingdom which will follow this one thousand year kingdom, one may read Revelation chapters 21 and 22.

An End to Wars

There will be no war during this one thousand years, until Satan is released (Revelation 20:7-9) for a short period at the end. In reference to Jesus Christ, Micah 4:3 says, "And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more." Isaiah 2:4 is very similar passage. Not only will there no longer be any war, but the weapons will be dismantled and battle strategies will no longer be taught.

Israel will be at peace and dwell safely in the kingdom. "Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth. In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS" (Jeremiah 23:5-6). This is certainly in contrast to the present with Israel surrounded by her enemies on all sides.

Jesus Christ's Judgment and the Restored Judges

The Micah and Jeremiah verses above also refer to Jesus Christ judging the nations of the earth. He will do so in all wisdom and perfect justice, with a rod of iron. "And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God" (Revelation 19:15). He will reign as a literal king on a throne, dwelling in Jerusalem. He will also restore the judges to Israel. "And I will restore thy judges as at the first, and thy counsellors as at the beginning: afterward thou shalt be called, The city of righteousness, the faithful city" (Isaiah 1:26). Who will the judges of the twelve tribes of Israel be? Jesus Christ told His disciples, "... Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel" (Matthew 19:28).

Israel will be a Kingdom of Priests

"Thus saith the LORD of hosts; It shall yet come to pass, that there shall come people, and the inhabitants of many cities: And the inhabitants of one city shall go to another, saying, Let us go speedily to pray before the LORD, and to seek the LORD of hosts: I will go also. Yea, many people and strong nations shall come to seek the LORD of hosts in Jerusalem, and to pray before the LORD. Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you" (Zechariah 8:20-23).

"Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel" (Exodus 19:5-6).

[link to www.matthewmcgee.org]

CLOSE on him being the forerunner...we've HAD forerunners. Obama is the Antichrist.

No, but suppose I was?

obongo is definitely an 'idiot' that is certain.
He is a dilettante, incapable of operating as a president and has illustrated that. anti-christ? That's a laugh.
Without his teleprompter he is an idiot. And now with his newfound earpiece he acts as a halfwit, incapable of speaking and listening at the same time.
So obongo is not the anti-christ.



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There is 4 main players in the end times the 2 witnesses and the the anti-christ and false prophet. The 2 witnesses will have Elijah as one of them which is the fore-runner and the antichrist has the false prophet as his for-runner.

The anit-christ and false prophet will have 10 kings(10 kingdoms) with them they are trying to get the 2 tribes that make up Israel right now Judah and Benjamin and will allow the temple to be rebuilt to get them to join with them

The 2 witnesses will have the 10 lost tribes and will be trying to get the 2 tribes of Israel (Judah and benjamin) that make up Israel right now to join them so that all the tribes can be joined again as they were in the times of David

The 4 leaders, 2 good side, 2 bad side, are both trying to get Israel to join with the 10 kingdoms or tribes that they have. It is like a mission to see who can get the 12 together first.

Ezekiel 37 shows the good side wins.

shin this pit, this a great read!! 5 stars

Did you see this Salt?

[link to stop-obama-now.net]




Then I saw thrones, and those who sat on them were given authority to judge. I also saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshipped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or hands. They came back to life and ruled with the Messiah for a thousand years. Revelation 20:4

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trippy...

obama cannot be the anti-christ.
he does not meet the prophetic criteria






As noted, the Bible also makes it clear that The Antichrist must be Roman. That is because Daniel 9:24-27 requires this. Most people misread these verses. The syntax of the original language of the text requires that the 'he' of verse 27 refers to the "prince that shall come" of verse 26. So neither a Chinese, African, Asian, Polynesian, native American nor any other aboriginal group can provide The Antichrist. Probably only about 1 billion people at most count as "Roman". Half of them are women! As noted below, definite articles, indefinite articles, and as above pronouns, have to be handled carefully when reading ancient texts in languages like Hebrew, Chaldean etc.

The next stage of the methodology is more of an art than precise requirement. Nevertheless it will be quite analytical because one will need a very good knowledge of the Bible and its references to the Life of Jesus The Christ, the true Messiah of Israel. The Antichrist's life and rise to power will imitate, mimic, closely resemble and/or counterfeit Jesus' own path. This probably has to be the case so that people will be more easily deceived. However, without a good grasp of Jesus' early history, most people will not realise where the deceptions lie. Firstly, The Antichrist will be conceived in a way that is unusual, like Jesus. If God through the Holy Spirit caused Mary to conceive as the Scriptures tell us, Satan will attempt to conceive his counterfeit. There is a debate whether Satan will do this by direct consummation with a woman or by use of In Vitro Fertilisation using The Human Genome Project that in theory can generate a template of perfect genes to code into a woman's egg. The former seems simpler and more obvious but the latter might be the raison d'etre for modern genetic research.

Since a candidate for the antichrist has arisen and we know who his mother is, and who she might have conceived children with, direct intercourse between Satan and a woman seems even more likely now. Many women have no idea whom they have conceived children by. In this case, the mother has discussed in public an unusual event in her life that observers might identify with Satan and one of the descriptions of him in the Bible. In any event, one might say that in both Jesus' own case and with this current candidate, there will be doubt, mystery or something unique surrounding the circumstances of the child's conception.


[link to wiki.answers.com]

Were you around when Israel became a nation ? = fig tree. Most people now are Satan incarnate, they refused Christ/Messiah and are about to be removed from His Presence as it was in Naoh's day, Christians cannot be fooled, but "Christians" are fooled. Israel is the only country on earth who is praying to the right God by default, no other country on earth is praying to the right God ! All governments and religions have expired, nothing is working anymore = Grace blends into eternity, time of Grace ends for those who refuse to repent. It is only individuals across the globe who Know and who are praying to the right God. You can pray to the right God and still be lost. The revelation is, there is only one God and His Name is Jesus the Messiah and He works in three powerful Offices while the west chopped Him up into three individual persons = blinded the people so they cannot see - mega deceit = billions of souls lost !!!!! MEGA CRIME THE BIGGEST ! Obama took on ash when he came into office, take away all tax monies and see what you have = ashes = unrighteous human race ! Obama needs to repent no person is exempt. The west is doomed, they are ashes, they are playing in ash. Reject Christ you are finished !

True, just thought it was interesting, the set-up Obama used for his 2008 convention.

Obama’s Throne of Satan (Alinsky-Style Provocation)
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Obama’s stage at the 2008 Democratic convention was designed in the style of the Pergamon Altar, a Greek Temple, which is mentioned in the book of Revelation as the “Seat of Satan” or the “Throne of Satan,” depending on the translation. The biblical reference is not just to the altar, but to Pergamos as a center of the all powerful Roman state as well as a regional center of occult/pagan worship and persecution of the early Christians. The state cult was a pagan religion and the roman emperor was worshiped as a god. The black nationalist doctrine of Obama’s Trinity church in Chicago also teaches that the black man is the manifestation of God on earth and one can self-exalt himself to god status. That man can become a higher being or God and the self-worship of man is a tenet of satanism/Luciferianism. Click the images below for more info.

I gave this thread 2 stars. . .I want one of them back, please.

Are you shitting me? Seriously?!

You guys need to research preterism. The end happened in 70 AD. All bible prophecy is fulfilled. The bible does not talk about an end of the planet earth, it is talking about the end of the old covenant - the Jews referred to it as "heaven and earth", it is an idiom. The subject of revelations is the destruction and judgment on earthly Jerusalem by the Romans, which Jesus also predicted in Matthew 23-25.

ugh... not this crap again.


preterism has been proven to be false. over and over and over and over again.

let me corral some links for you.

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Why Preterism is not an Accurate Interpretation of Bible Prophecy

[link to www.letusreason.org]


What did NOT Happen in 70 AD proves that Preterism is false

They complain “we” (those of us known as futurists in our prophetic viewpoint) are always looking into the future but in the same venue, they myopically look to the past and revision it. They apply fulfillment to events that the Bible does not. In other words, if you claim numerous prophecies are fulfilled it must be completed exactly the way it is written, not in one or two points. Similarity does not mean sameness.

Much of what Preterists base their eschatology on is from Christ’s Olivet Discourse in Matthew 24. Their understanding of the phrase “this generation” (Matthew 24:34) demands a first century fulfillment, it becomes the ultimate proof text that settles any alternate (future) views. In this first article we will concentrate on this term and the surrounding points relative to its meaning.

Jesus: “Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled” (Matt. 24:34)

Preterists insist Jesus was referring to those living at that time (or that generation standing with him). All end time activities which were described in the earlier verses of Matthew 24 had to have occurred then, concluding at the destruction of Jerusalem. On this platform they proceed to ignore and even mock a literal translation of any contradictory textual reference in both the New and Old Testaments which is a description of a future fulfillment of prophetic events beyond AD 70.

There are a number of explanations for the phrase “this generation” that do not support the Preterist’s “past historical view,” so we do not have only one choice as they represent.

Lets read-Matthew 24:4-51, Jesus was responding to a question that His disciples asked Him. Matt 24:1-2 When Jesus went out and departed from the temple, His disciples admired the building of the temple. And Jesus said to them, “Do you not see all these things? Assuredly, I say to you, not one stone shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown down.” This took place 40 years later- 70 A.D. What brought about the destruction of the second temple rebuilt by Herod was their rejecting the Messiahship of Jesus. Because of this sin, Jesus declared that their house would now be left desolate. It also refers to the covenant made with Moses. God told them if you are unfaithful, and do not obey Him they will be scattered among the nations (Israel had been taken captive twice before this). Lev.26:38-43 Moses’ prophecy of dispersion V.38. “You shall perish among the nations, and the land of your enemies shall eat you up.” Speaking of their ancestors sins while in these lands: v.40-43 “But if they confess their iniquity and the iniquity of their fathers, with their unfaithfulness in which they were unfaithful to Me, and that they also have walked contrary to Me, and that I also have walked contrary to them and have brought them into the land of their enemies; if their uncircumcised hearts are humbled, and they accept their guilt-- then I will remember My covenant with Jacob, and My covenant with Isaac and My covenant with Abraham I will remember; I will remember the land.” The iniquity is the rejection of the Messiah who came to them in the land and He gives them a requirement. Before the Olivet discourse Jesus stated in Matthew 23:36-39: “Assuredly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.” Then he explains what He desired and what they will see “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! See! Your house is left to you desolate; for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, 'Blessed is He who comes in the name of the LORD!'”

Jesus has said this to the generation that rejected him. But this same generation did not call upon him to come back, (saying: 'Blessed is He who comes in the name of the LORD!') but they are the ones who saw the temple destroyed and were consequently scattered. So His coming back and the temple being destroyed cannot be the same event. But Preterists insist that this is when Jesus did come back. Since this generation (of Jesus’ day) was punished because of their unrepentance- he couldn’t have come back. For He said He will not come back until they repent and call upon him saying 'Blessed is He who comes in the name of the LORD!’ So how can those who rejected Him call on Him if they are unrepentant, are dead, or gone? This is how we find the meaning of “this generation’ (in Mt.24:34)- it is not applied to those who He spoke this to anymore than His saying “for I say to you; till you say.” A judgment took place, not His (return) coming to them because they are required to call upon him in repentance. These are two completely different events and the body of Scripture tells us so.

What are all these things will come upon this generation? “all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah” Why? “Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers' guilt.” Matthew 23:32 this is the iniquity of the fathers referred to in Lev.26:40-43.

Matthew 23:35 Israel was made desolate in 70 AD as they were either killed, captured or fled. However, Scripture makes it clear they will be back in the land when they call upon the Lord to defend them and save them (Joel 2:30-32; 3:1,16-17; Zech. 12:10). God has promised to bring them back where they will be saved and enjoy the land in peace- which takes place in the millennial reign of Christ.

As we continue, we will gain a better understanding how context influences the meaning of Jesus’ words.

In v.3 “Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?” Jesus begins by warning of deception and lists the numerous things to take place before He comes, and what it will be like when He comes back. He mentions earthquakes, wars, diseases increasing. Before we look at these events individually, I think it is necessary to look at the phrase that contains “This generation.”

Matt. 24:34: “Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.” Endless discussions has been centered on what is a generation. What is the length of a generation 40, 80, 100 years? A generation can be up to 100 years (Gen. 15:13-16). Some measure the generation from 1948, Israel’s birth as a nation. But this is NOT the meaning in this text. It does not mean a time element as in the length of a generation. The emphasis is on the signs the generation sees, and who is the generation. And as we will see- it is certainly not the generation Jesus was among. But, we must tackle one point at a time to understand correctly this complex issue. Your patience is needed, as the proof will become apparent.

The Preterist claims that Christ was referring to those living at that time when he said “this generation.” This is their main argument for a 70 A.D. fulfillment of all the prophecy Jesus is referring to. All the events which were described in the earlier verses of Matthew 24 occurred and concluded at the destruction of Jerusalem. But Jesus is not saying this to his specific generation but to the generation that sees all the signs taking place simultaneously in their lifetime. Notice it does not say “your generation” as if to purposely identify them as the ones who will experience this, but this generation. What generation? The one who sees all the signs occurring during their lifetime, and they have to be in the land to see this. The emphasis is on the signs seen by the generation NOT the generation by itself.

Luke 21:27-32: “And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. But when these things begin to come to pass, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws nigh. And He spoke a parable to them: Behold the fig-tree and all the trees; when they already sprout, ye know of your own selves, on looking at them, that already the summer is near. So also ye, when ye see these things take place, know that the kingdom of God is near. Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall in no wise pass away until all come to pass.”

You would think now that December 21st came and nothing happened, people would stop with there stupid "This is the anti christ" "this is when the world will end" "This is when the apocalypse starts" etc.



I guess not. There is only one thing constant among humans, and that is human stupidity. In every society, every civilization, every tribe since the beginning, there have ALWAYS been those who are out of touch with reality. They create simple or complex ideas in their minds, without ANY basis in reality, and spread them as if they the ONE TRUTH.



Look, the "Holy" Bible is just a bunch of books compiled by a few men seeking to consolidate and increase their power, wealth, and influence. Learn about the Council of Nicea, as it is WELL documented where the New Testament comes from.

It is NOT divine. This is why ever since the book of revelation has been around, men have been claiming to know when the "end" is.



What is the truth? The truth is that no one knows when Mankind will end.


There is no anti christ. There is only ONE god, and it is the One Source from which all thing originate. This God doesn't judge you, didn't designate an end for mankind, and isn't a "parent" or "God" in the traditional sense. Science will soon discover it, it is basically pure awareness, from which all things originate. All religions have been mankind's attempt to record, document, and follow great Men among Men who have attained Oneness in awareness with this Source.



Please, stop making yourselves seem so childish and foolish by proclaiming "THIS IS THE ANTI CHRIST" or "THIS IS WHEN THE WORLD WILL END"

To the rest of the world, you just look stupid.

Your flesh is antichrist, flesh and blood cannot enter Heaven.
Sin is knocking at the door of your heart, but you should reign over it.

The Bible explains the fallacy of preterism:

ECCLESIASTES 1:9 What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun. (NIV)

i guess you missed my post on the 1000 years of peace on earth

The final man of evil will be someone who comes back from the dead. Because of this miracle.......many will follow after him.


However, satan and his angels more than likely have been kicked out of heaven. Angels are able to inhabit human bodies.


So even now......satan might be temporarily inside of a human being.....including a head of state. He will leave that person when he is done with him.

When I think of you, I will put a fig in my mouth

Couple of links to contrast with yours, for anyone willing to at least check into it. . .

[link to www.worldwithoutend.info]

"The Parousia: A CAREFUL LOOK AT THE NEW TESTAMENT DOCTRINE OF THE LORD'S SECOND COMING (1878)"



[link to www.lookinguntojesus.net]

"An Analysis Of Matthew 24"



[link to kloposmasm.com]

"The Olivet Discourse: “This” Generation or “That” Generation (Part 1 of 4)"


Food for thought, is all.