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Major demonstration happening at Parlament Hill + Canada wide!!! (live feed here)

 
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I hope the First Nations realize what they do here should also be a` guideline for what Gaza and the West Bank and the Golan Heights set down as points they need to cover in ending their life on their own Rez.
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FFs, don't bring that crap into this thread!!! Soooo completely different. Native Americans did not 'squat' on someone else's lands, they were genocided out of THEIR OWN LAND and tried to live peacefully and negotiate a fair settlement. Big fucking difference!!!! They lost and accepted their fate and have lived the best way they can. What they are doing is NOT only for them, but for ALL of Canada and Canadians.
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I hope the First Nations realize what they do here should also be a` guideline for what Gaza and the West Bank and the Golan Heights set down as points they need to cover in ending their life on their own Rez.
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FFs, don't bring that crap into this thread!!! Soooo completely different. Native Americans did not 'squat' on someone else's lands, they were genocided out of THEIR OWN LAND and tried to live peacefully and negotiate a fair settlement. Big fucking difference!!!! They lost and accepted their fate and have lived the best way they can. What they are doing is NOT only for them, but for ALL of Canada and Canadians.
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If you have any suggestions please, let's hear them!
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Expand the goods available at the Rez stores esp in the tablet/iphone hardware so you get the world news in an unfiltered fashion.
Petition to grant temp cards for outsiders who may want to eventually become a full member. Reason see below.

Get the Smoke Houses reestablished that allows for traditional drugs that are used by and First Nations from the north of Canada to as far south as you can go is South America. Use that as a way to help addicts from the white world get refocused while making a small amount of money to keep the facilities is 21st century. For drugs a note from the persons doctor and usage and vital signs during the use is sent back to the doctor so he can have some input into dosages.
Diplomatic plates might be pushing it but drugs going from one Rez to another would need a police escort to be sure.

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I hope the First Nations realize what they do here should also be a` guideline for what Gaza and the West Bank and the Golan Heights set down as points they need to cover in ending their life on their own Rez.
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FFs, don't bring that crap into this thread!!! Soooo completely different. Native Americans did not 'squat' on someone else's lands, they were genocided out of THEIR OWN LAND and tried to live peacefully and negotiate a fair settlement. Big fucking difference!!!! They lost and accepted their fate and have lived the best way they can. What they are doing is NOT only for them, but for ALL of Canada and Canadians.
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They just want more free money and free land.
I say NO!!
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FFs, don't bring that crap into this thread!!! Soooo completely different. Native Americans did not 'squat' on someone else's lands, they were genocided out of THEIR OWN LAND and tried to live peacefully and negotiate a fair settlement. Big fucking difference!!!! They lost and accepted their fate and have lived the best way they can. What they are doing is NOT only for them, but for ALL of Canada and Canadians.
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Fuck you and the swayback nag you rode in on.
Canada dropped out of human rights meetings in the UN because of the fucking reservation issue, in support of Israel being able to run things the same way the Rez was run in 1913 rather than how it should be working in 2013. Pretty fucking hard to claim the moral high ground on the world stage when you have locked up a specific race for about more than 100 years.
The same fucking used toilet paper used to write the treaties is the same shit stained paper that will be offered to Palestine. Did the Natives get real help in understanding what the treaties said, not fucking likely. 20 years is how long the Gov dragged out one issue just recently, $200M for the lawyers (on both sides) and fuck all for the Natives)

Do you really want to go into the fucking horrors of the Indian Schools for children only run by a very corrupt RCC and fully paid for through Taxpayer money? Meaning the Gov owes them just as much $$$ compensation as the Churches do.

The Jews were off the land more than 430 years, the time they spent in Egypt means they lost all right to the land being theirs as that is where Abraham was. Tough fucking luck, you want back in pay the freight.

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They just want more free money and free land.
I say NO!!

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Who wants what? what free land? what free money?
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They just want more free money and free land.
I say NO!!

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Who wants what? what free land? what free money?
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That guy doesn't know what he is talking about.
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They just want more free money and free land.
I say NO!!

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You are most likely a fucking nobody anyway. They should all have a free travel the world card if we really wanted them to 'be intrigrated'. The Rez was the solution to the public getting sick and fucking tired of an endless war where killing off the food supply in the middle of winter was the preferred method of 'dealing with the problem'.'

Who the fuck educated (brain washed) you on the topic?
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Oh his rant, just a bunch of fucks who need to learn some responsibility.

Nothing to see here. Liberalism at its finest.
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your either part of the solution or part of the problem. Going out there and actually DOING something is taking responsibility. Politics in Canada DO NOT work so we must take it to the streets! HAARPER completely ignores it's people, this will not stop unless we make the change ourselves.

Be the change you wish to see in the world!

what's your suggestion, since you seem to think you know all the answers?
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We have the same here in the US the Govt. is corrupt and does not represent the people only themselves. And only civil actions will restore things.
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Exactaly! Need this same movement Here too! We must all act as one just like the Icelanders did!............sheep
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Exactaly! Need this same movement Here too! We must all act as one just like the Icelanders did!............sheep
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Iceland is proof that it is possible, we will be MUCH better off in the long run to rid ourselves of these blood sucking parasites so that we can heal our land and it's people!
When you make the two into one, and when you make the inner like the outer and the outer like the inner, and the upper like the lower, and when you make male and female into a single one, so that the male will not be male nor the female be female, when you make eyes in place of an eye, a hand in place of a hand, a foot in place of a foot, an image in place of an image, then you will enter


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yes.
it needs to come from love though.
love of the land. love of the air. love of the water.
love of each other.
angry protests based on hatred of what is, will only fuel their strength.
gatherings based on love of what is truly important and organizing to protect that, will be what sustains a lasting movement.
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No more Colonization, No more Racism, No more inequality!
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Wearing a hood or covering your face can get you arrested during a demonstration.
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The circle dance in Toronto was really a circle of all nations moving together in peace.....Just like the 1st nations stories about all colours coming together to weave the sacred hoop...
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Wearing a hood or covering your face can get you arrested during a demonstration.
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Don't we have some law that says those have to be worn once the temp gets so cold?
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The circle dance in Toronto was really a circle of all nations moving together in peace.....Just like the 1st nations stories about all colours coming together to weave the sacred hoop...
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Yes! ....sheep
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The circle dance in Toronto was really a circle of all nations moving together in peace.....Just like the 1st nations stories about all colours coming together to weave the sacred hoop...
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Yes! ....sheep
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sheep?
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Not sheep I was just saying Yes to your comment!peace........................sheep
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Give it a rest you cant help people who dont want to better themselves , I have work with many different reserves and they wilL never improve their own lives , period .Blacks have been free for less time and have made much greater strides and lives for themselves . We have given billions of dollars to these people and it stays with the chiefs of the reservations and those chiefs treat the rest of the tribe like shit . They pay no taxes , they get constant overpayment for their lands and they just dont get off their asses and do fuck all . thats a fact
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Give it a rest you cant help people who dont want to better themselves , I have work with many different reserves and they wilL never improve their own lives , period .Blacks have been free for less time and have made much greater strides and lives for themselves . We have given billions of dollars to these people and it stays with the chiefs of the reservations and those chiefs treat the rest of the tribe like shit . They pay no taxes , they get constant overpayment for their lands and they just dont get off their asses and do fuck all . thats a fact
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yes, i hear what you are saying.
but this feels different
this bill c45 affects EVERYONE in canada.
everyone needs water.
natives are starting this movement....but i predict that ordinary people will join on....
too many people can see what harper is doing is not just wrong, but downright evil.
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Give it a rest you cant help people who dont want to better themselves , I have work with many different reserves and they wilL never improve their own lives , period .Blacks have been free for less time and have made much greater strides and lives for themselves . We have given billions of dollars to these people and it stays with the chiefs of the reservations and those chiefs treat the rest of the tribe like shit . They pay no taxes , they get constant overpayment for their lands and they just dont get off their asses and do fuck all . thats a fact
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yes, i hear what you are saying.
but this feels different
this bill c45 affects EVERYONE in canada.
everyone needs water.
natives are starting this movement....but i predict that ordinary people will join on....
too many people can see what harper is doing is not just wrong, but downright evil.
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Right on the head! This is not just an Indian thing!
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Give it a rest you cant help people who dont want to better themselves , I have work with many different reserves and they wilL never improve their own lives , period .Blacks have been free for less time and have made much greater strides and lives for themselves . We have given billions of dollars to these people and it stays with the chiefs of the reservations and those chiefs treat the rest of the tribe like shit . They pay no taxes , they get constant overpayment for their lands and they just dont get off their asses and do fuck all . thats a fact
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Now they have to unlearn the white man's ways, they seem to have their wide open at the present.
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too many people can see what harper is doing is not just wrong, but downright evil.
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PM Martin was neck deep in setting this up where the Gov listens to the international corps over the voice of the Voters (while still taking their money) Check out Harper's speech in Cancun and compare it what Martin was saying in terms of a North American Union open borders only for business, citizens are going anywhere.
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In a Dec. 16 editorial, the Star rightly called on Prime Minister Stephen Harper to meet with Chief Theresa Spence, now in her 10th day of a hunger strike. It rightly drew attention to the ongoing housing crisis at Attawapiskat First Nation. Yet, it missed the big picture.

Spence’s hunger strike is not just about Attawapiskat. It is not just about housing or school funding. And it is not just about the omnibus budget Bill C-45, which eliminates federally protected waterways and facilitates the sale of reserve lands without consultation. It is about all of that and more.

Spence’s hunger strike is part of the Idle No More movement, which, in a matter of days, has become the largest, most unified, and potentially most transformative Indigenous movement at least since the Oka resistance in 1990.

The fundamental issue is the nation-to-nation treaty relationship with Indigenous peoples that Canadian governments repeatedly flout by passing legislation without free, prior and informed consent....
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Meanwhile, Indigenous peoples are the fastest growing population in Canada. They are young, ambitious and well aware of historical and contemporary injustices. Like others abroad, they are revitalizing their languages and cultures, rebuilding their nations, and supported in these initiatives by international law, including the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples, which Canada reluctantly endorsed in 2010.

On Friday, Dec. 21, thousands of Indigenous peoples and their allies will converge in Ottawa for a mass rally. This event follows two weeks of direct action from coast to coast to coast, including flash mobs and sit-ins, highway blockades, and drumming and prayers for change. Indigenous elders across the land have joined Chief Spence in her fast.

Why should non-Indigenous Canadians care?

First, it is a matter of social and environmental justice. When corporate profit is privileged over the health of our lands and waters, we all suffer. When government stifles debate, democracy is diminished. Bill C-45 is just the latest in a slew of legislation that undermines Canadians’ rights. In standing against it, the First Nations are standing for us too.
Second, as Justice Linden of the Ipperwash Inquiry said, “we are all treaty people.” When our governments unilaterally impose legislation on the First Nations, they dishonour the Crown, they dishonour us, and they dishonour our treaty relationship. We are responsible for ensuring that our governments fulfill their commitments. If our governments do not respect Indigenous and treaty rights, then the very legitimacy of the Canadian state — and thus of all our citizenship rights — is in doubt. That’s what Idle No More is about.

So, yes, Harper should meet with Spence. But a meeting alone will not suffice. Change requires action. It requires a shift in public consciousness. It requires all of us being there, Dec. 21 and beyond, to “live the spirit and intent of the treaty relationship, work toward justice in action, and protect Mother Earth”.

Jeff Denis is an Assistant Professor of Sociology at McMaster University.

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Give it a rest you cant help people who dont want to better themselves , I have work with many different reserves and they wilL never improve their own lives , period .Blacks have been free for less time and have made much greater strides and lives for themselves . We have given billions of dollars to these people and it stays with the chiefs of the reservations and those chiefs treat the rest of the tribe like shit . They pay no taxes , they get constant overpayment for their lands and they just dont get off their asses and do fuck all . thats a fact
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1352760


yes, i hear what you are saying.
but this feels different
this bill c45 affects EVERYONE in canada.
everyone needs water.
natives are starting this movement....but i predict that ordinary people will join on....
too many people can see what harper is doing is not just wrong, but downright evil.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26372742


YA OKAY BUT MY PROBLEM IS i JUST SPENT A YEAR PUTTING IN WATER reservoires , pump stations and a 14 million dollar school for a tribe in skookumchuk b.c with 80 inhabitants . To get the contract we had to have 25 percent of our workforce from the reserve ,second day 2 of them quit , next day 1 more quit 1 was 4 hours late and stinking of booze , 3 rd day we offered them the wage if they just stayed at home and the fuckers said thats exactly what they were shooting for . And in the end they burned our work trailers and stole anything they could get their hands on . Ive had similar problems with reserves in fort mac , capilano , red earth , grand prairie, wabasqa and several others . users they are everyone of em . As for water they can take a litlle as 10 grand and build their own reservoirs but they would rather blame the white man just like the american libers do in the states .A ll their reserves are on fresh water river shores and streams , they could solve their own problems if they wanted , so the water works dont work on me
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Give it a rest you cant help people who dont want to better themselves , I have work with many different reserves and they wilL never improve their own lives , period .Blacks have been free for less time and have made much greater strides and lives for themselves . We have given billions of dollars to these people and it stays with the chiefs of the reservations and those chiefs treat the rest of the tribe like shit . They pay no taxes , they get constant overpayment for their lands and they just dont get off their asses and do fuck all . thats a fact
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1352760


yes, i hear what you are saying.
but this feels different
this bill c45 affects EVERYONE in canada.
everyone needs water.
natives are starting this movement....but i predict that ordinary people will join on....
too many people can see what harper is doing is not just wrong, but downright evil.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26372742


YA OKAY BUT MY PROBLEM IS i JUST SPENT A YEAR PUTTING IN WATER reservoires , pump stations and a 14 million dollar school for a tribe in skookumchuk b.c with 80 inhabitants . To get the contract we had to have 25 percent of our workforce from the reserve ,second day 2 of them quit , next day 1 more quit 1 was 4 hours late and stinking of booze , 3 rd day we offered them the wage if they just stayed at home and the fuckers said thats exactly what they were shooting for . And in the end they burned our work trailers and stole anything they could get their hands on . Ive had similar problems with reserves in fort mac , capilano , red earth , grand prairie, wabasqa and several others . users they are everyone of em . As for water they can take a litlle as 10 grand and build their own reservoirs but they would rather blame the white man just like the american libers do in the states .A ll their reserves are on fresh water river shores and streams , they could solve their own problems if they wanted , so the water works dont work on me
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"water works"? why are you being so dramatic? no one is crying here.

i have heard similar stories. the reserves are a huge money pit.
usually the chiefs steal all the money.

but really why did you have to hire assholes? you couldn't find anyone better on the reserve?
or could you have hired natives from off the reserve?
usually the ones with ambition, leave which is too bad.

i do think though, that this movement is different because it is being organized mostly by the women.
women always work, no matter what situation they are in.
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too many people can see what harper is doing is not just wrong, but downright evil.
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PM Martin was neck deep in setting this up where the Gov listens to the international corps over the voice of the Voters (while still taking their money) Check out Harper's speech in Cancun and compare it what Martin was saying in terms of a North American Union open borders only for business, citizens are going anywhere.
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They also have the border locked down and are turning people away that they think mite be a problem,like Family members who want to go visit their relatives,ect...
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too many people can see what harper is doing is not just wrong, but downright evil.
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PM Martin was neck deep in setting this up where the Gov listens to the international corps over the voice of the Voters (while still taking their money) Check out Harper's speech in Cancun and compare it what Martin was saying in terms of a North American Union open borders only for business, citizens are going anywhere.
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They also have the border locked down and are turning people away that they think mite be a problem,like Family members who want to go visit their relatives,ect...
 Quoting: Mi'Kmaq


yeah true. i heard that as well.
wouldn't it be great to see it spread all across 'turtle island'? :)

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