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STILL NOT CONVINCED THAT ROMANS ARE EDOMITES? ESAU'S SEED

 
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Obviously I don't expect people to believe me when I say I have personal experience of the supernatural, but those experiences are often quite wacky and no-one will believe you type, unless they witness it. So yeah the supernatural can be rather wacky and not make sense, I guess that's my take on those OT stories that seem to defy belief.
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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Take a seat and put on your glasses.From this day I hope you

ALL SEE THAT I AM BRINGING YOU TO THE LIGHT AND IT IS TIME TO WAKE UP FROM SLUMBER.
I AM NOT YOUR ENEMY BUT A FRIEND AND ONE DAY YOU WILL THANK ME FOR THIS.


ERTYTRYT

THE OLDER BOOKS USE TO HAVE ALL THIS INFORMATION BUT OVER THE YEARS THEY STARTED FILTERING OUT THE TRUTH PRODUCING UPDATED EDITIONS. WHEN THEY REALIZED THAT THE MINORITIES WERE NOW BEING EDUCATED AT HIGHER LEVELS THIS WAS A THREAT TO THEIR KINGDOM

THE BOOK OF THE WARS OF GOD/JASHER
1 And when the year came round, being the seventy-second year from the Yisraelites going down to Egypt, after the death of Yoseph, Zepho, the son of Eliphaz, the son of Esau, fled from Egypt, he and his men, and they went away

24 And the children of Chittim [Greece] saw the valor of Zepho, and the children of Chittim resolved and they made Zepho king over them, and he became king over them, and while he reigned they went to subdue the children of Tubal, and all the surrounding islands.

25 And their king Zepho went at their head and they made war with Tubal and the islands, and they subdued them, and when they returned from the battle they renewed his government for him, and they built for him a very large palace for his royal habitation and seat, and they made a large throne for him, and Zepho reigned over the whole land of Chittim[GREECE] and over the land of Italia[ROME] fifty years.






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Okay, I have to admit I am intrigued. There's not much left in this worn-out world of ours to intrigue me anymore. I have read the Bible so many times over the last 50 years that it is almost second nature now. In the last several years, when I ask the Lord for a word, He usually does just that--a word that jumps out and leads me to study and study and study until I get it. Edom jumped out at me today and now I've got the bug. you know the drill. Once HE gets our attention, no matter which way we turn, it's right there in our face.

Of course, it was no "accident" that I was looking at a video of one of The SDA church's most prolific speakers and he was speaking on the subject of "The Abomination of Desolation". It is no secret that we, as a church, have long-standing beliefs as to what the role of pagan/papal Rome and its Mystery Babylon influences are. the connections between it and apostate Protestism (as opposed to the true), the role of America as what we consider the "image to the beast" which sets up a similar political/religious system (such as evangelical Republicanism); and the False Prophet (representing Paganism that runs a true vein throughout it all (not the least being Islam.

What I found intriguing was what this speaker considered the "abomination" that led to desolation. He considered the abomination very specifically to be when Rome encompassed Jerusalem just before its destruction in 70 AD, they planted their "standards" or banners in holy soil. That very act, placing pagan symbols in the soil may as well have been sacrificing a pig on the altar. The interesting thing about this standard was that it was of an eagle facing to the right and clutching arrows in its talon. This is the exact same standard of Edom. Of course, we all know that it is also the standard of America. This is not new information since we consider all of these elements to be part of the setting up of the Abomination of Desolation and it is not small warning to us (as it was to the Christians in that day), to "stand in the Holy Place." I also gained a MUCH greater appreciation as to WHY one of our Evangelists, Dr. Walter Veith was just recently arrested in Germany for "sedition" for preaching what we consider as "present truth"--modern-day Israel is NOT the fulfillment of prophecies that most of the Christian world believes it is. It is written that "if it were possible, even the ELECT would be deceived by this masterful plan of Satan's. If I believed that we were very close to the end before, it is "even at the very door" now. All the doom-mongering of 12/21/12 pales by comparison. The REAL doom approaches and "none doth consider it". If we WEREN'T on some list before, we CERTAINLY will be by exposing this confederacy of evil--and it WILL be exposed because it is written that it will be--by the LOUD CRY of angels warning to "come out of her my people" to NOT receive the plagues which will fall upon them.

The "Holy Place" should be at the very center of our attention since it is the ONLY safe place to "be". And, since that door to the Holy Place was closed by Jesus and the door to the Most HOLY opened to us, we must "boldly" go before the Throne (and we know what would happen to the High Priest if he wasn't FULLY in compliance with the Law AND Grace) "to the Law and the Testimony"; his dead body was dragged out by the rope tied around him.

Thanks for being there (even the ones I disputed with). The Lord is calling out a people and preparing us for the final scenes. I know more than I did yesterday. I know that there is still more to learn--and unlearn. Happy Sabbath to you all.
The TRUTH is stranger than FICTION.
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Okay, I have to admit I am intrigued. There's not much left in this worn-out world of ours to intrigue me anymore. I have read the Bible so many times over the last 50 years that it is almost second nature now. In the last several years, when I ask the Lord for a word, He usually does just that--a word that jumps out and leads me to study and study and study until I get it. Edom jumped out at me today and now I've got the bug. you know the drill. Once HE gets our attention, no matter which way we turn, it's right there in our face.

Of course, it was no "accident" that I was looking at a video of one of The SDA church's most prolific speakers and he was speaking on the subject of "The Abomination of Desolation". It is no secret that we, as a church, have long-standing beliefs as to what the role of pagan/papal Rome and its Mystery Babylon influences are. the connections between it and apostate Protestism (as opposed to the true), the role of America as what we consider the "image to the beast" which sets up a similar political/religious system (such as evangelical Republicanism); and the False Prophet (representing Paganism that runs a true vein throughout it all (not the least being Islam.

What I found intriguing was what this speaker considered the "abomination" that led to desolation. He considered the abomination very specifically to be when Rome encompassed Jerusalem just before its destruction in 70 AD, they planted their "standards" or banners in holy soil. That very act, placing pagan symbols in the soil may as well have been sacrificing a pig on the altar. The interesting thing about this standard was that it was of an eagle facing to the right and clutching arrows in its talon. This is the exact same standard of Edom. Of course, we all know that it is also the standard of America. This is not new information since we consider all of these elements to be part of the setting up of the Abomination of Desolation and it is not small warning to us (as it was to the Christians in that day), to "stand in the Holy Place." I also gained a MUCH greater appreciation as to WHY one of our Evangelists, Dr. Walter Veith was just recently arrested in Germany for "sedition" for preaching what we consider as "present truth"--modern-day Israel is NOT the fulfillment of prophecies that most of the Christian world believes it is. It is written that "if it were possible, even the ELECT would be deceived by this masterful plan of Satan's. If I believed that we were very close to the end before, it is "even at the very door" now. All the doom-mongering of 12/21/12 pales by comparison. The REAL doom approaches and "none doth consider it". If we WEREN'T on some list before, we CERTAINLY will be by exposing this confederacy of evil--and it WILL be exposed because it is written that it will be--by the LOUD CRY of angels warning to "come out of her my people" to NOT receive the plagues which will fall upon them.

The "Holy Place" should be at the very center of our attention since it is the ONLY safe place to "be". And, since that door to the Holy Place was closed by Jesus and the door to the Most HOLY opened to us, we must "boldly" go before the Throne (and we know what would happen to the High Priest if he wasn't FULLY in compliance with the Law AND Grace) "to the Law and the Testimony"; his dead body was dragged out by the rope tied around him.

Thanks for being there (even the ones I disputed with). The Lord is calling out a people and preparing us for the final scenes. I know more than I did yesterday. I know that there is still more to learn--and unlearn. Happy Sabbath to you all.
 Quoting: Zerubbabel


you should have done a thread on this .This is very well done..thank you
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Shabbath Shalom Neim,

I now know why Abba had me reading in Yasher this evening:

Including the story of how How Zepho and his men (descendants of Esau) were taken into captivity by the King of Mitzraim (Egypt) - Yahusaphe (Joseph) and held in Mitzraim until they escaped to the Kingdom of Africa. There Zepho was made captain of the hosts (armies) of the king of Africa and hounded the king, continually, to rise up against Israel, who were dwelling in Mitzraim, to destroy them. The king of Africa consistently denied Zepho's petitions due to wisdom.

Zepho later took asylum in the Kingdom of Chittim, where he was honored because of his fame and reknown, and became their captain of hosts. He became esteemed amongst the natural born Chittimites and was later elevated to their king. He reigned over them for 50 years and upon his death one of the mighty men of the children of Chittim ruled in Zepho's place.

Neim, I am going to hold your hand to the fire on this one because I believe that you are not rightfully dividing the words of scripture or the annuls of history by making a wholesale presumption that "Rome" is Esau today. Zepho was one Edomite amongst a tribe of Chittimites. Unless he somehow made Eunuchs of all the Chittimite men and defiled all of the Chittimite Women, successfully, I can't imagine him single-handedly fathering a whole new satellite nation of Edomites. Do you have historic proof to the contrary?

Esau's decsendants took their inheritance of dwelling from the Seirites by force according to the blessing of Yahuwah. I find it ironic that the Edomites mutually agreed, from that time on, that a foreigner would only reign over them in the capacity of king according to the Book of Yasher. I wonder if that still holds true today.


- a fellow laborer
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I have read the bible, I don't study it intensively.

No, it just never sat right with me that story, you just go what? God would favour a liar and a cheat?, nah. I think that Jacob was the father of a nation of liars and cheats, and Esau of those without guile, honest labourers. It's the same as being despised and rejected by the world, same thing that is emphasised in the life of Jesus. Remember that before the world hated you, it hated me.
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How about King David, who was a FREAKIN' MURDERER of Uriah, Bathsheba's husband!? That was, of course, AFTER he seduced her and impregnated her.

What an UPSTANDING PERSON he was.
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Shabbath Shalom Neim,

I now know why Abba had me reading in Yasher this evening:

Including the story of how How Zepho and his men (descendants of Esau) were taken into captivity by the King of Mitzraim (Egypt) - Yahusaphe (Joseph) and held in Mitzraim until they escaped to the Kingdom of Africa. There Zepho was made captain of the hosts (armies) of the king of Africa and hounded the king, continually, to rise up against Israel, who were dwelling in Mitzraim, to destroy them. The king of Africa consistently denied Zepho's petitions due to wisdom.

Zepho later took asylum in the Kingdom of Chittim, where he was honored because of his fame and reknown, and became their captain of hosts. He became esteemed amongst the natural born Chittimites and was later elevated to their king. He reigned over them for 50 years and upon his death one of the mighty men of the children of Chittim ruled in Zepho's place.

Neim, I am going to hold your hand to the fire on this one because I believe that you are not rightfully dividing the words of scripture or the annuls of history by making a wholesale presumption that "Rome" is Esau today. Zepho was one Edomite amongst a tribe of Chittimites. Unless he somehow made Eunuchs of all the Chittimite men and defiled all of the Chittimite Women, successfully, I can't imagine him single-handedly fathering a whole new satellite nation of Edomites. Do you have historic proof to the contrary?

Esau's decsendants took their inheritance of dwelling from the Seirites by force according to the blessing of Yahuwah. I find it ironic that the Edomites mutually agreed, from that time on, that a foreigner would only reign over them in the capacity of king according to the Book of Yasher. I wonder if that still holds true today.


- a fellow laborer
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shalom brother

They are all in league read psalm chapter 83...it exists today, esau has always been very cunning blending into other nations and renaming the lands he conquered.He was good with a bow and hunting.Who is the mastermind behind the weaponry and war in the earth?

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Okay, I have to admit I am intrigued. There's not much left in this worn-out world of ours to intrigue me anymore. I have read the Bible so many times over the last 50 years that it is almost second nature now. In the last several years, when I ask the Lord for a word, He usually does just that--a word that jumps out and leads me to study and study and study until I get it. Edom jumped out at me today and now I've got the bug. you know the drill. Once HE gets our attention, no matter which way we turn, it's right there in our face.

Of course, it was no "accident" that I was looking at a video of one of The SDA church's most prolific speakers and he was speaking on the subject of "The Abomination of Desolation". It is no secret that we, as a church, have long-standing beliefs as to what the role of pagan/papal Rome and its Mystery Babylon influences are. the connections between it and apostate Protestism (as opposed to the true), the role of America as what we consider the "image to the beast" which sets up a similar political/religious system (such as evangelical Republicanism); and the False Prophet (representing Paganism that runs a true vein throughout it all (not the least being Islam.

What I found intriguing was what this speaker considered the "abomination" that led to desolation. He considered the abomination very specifically to be when Rome encompassed Jerusalem just before its destruction in 70 AD, they planted their "standards" or banners in holy soil. That very act, placing pagan symbols in the soil may as well have been sacrificing a pig on the altar. The interesting thing about this standard was that it was of an eagle facing to the right and clutching arrows in its talon. This is the exact same standard of Edom. Of course, we all know that it is also the standard of America. This is not new information since we consider all of these elements to be part of the setting up of the Abomination of Desolation and it is not small warning to us (as it was to the Christians in that day), to "stand in the Holy Place." I also gained a MUCH greater appreciation as to WHY one of our Evangelists, Dr. Walter Veith was just recently arrested in Germany for "sedition" for preaching what we consider as "present truth"--modern-day Israel is NOT the fulfillment of prophecies that most of the Christian world believes it is. It is written that "if it were possible, even the ELECT would be deceived by this masterful plan of Satan's. If I believed that we were very close to the end before, it is "even at the very door" now. All the doom-mongering of 12/21/12 pales by comparison. The REAL doom approaches and "none doth consider it". If we WEREN'T on some list before, we CERTAINLY will be by exposing this confederacy of evil--and it WILL be exposed because it is written that it will be--by the LOUD CRY of angels warning to "come out of her my people" to NOT receive the plagues which will fall upon them.

The "Holy Place" should be at the very center of our attention since it is the ONLY safe place to "be". And, since that door to the Holy Place was closed by Jesus and the door to the Most HOLY opened to us, we must "boldly" go before the Throne (and we know what would happen to the High Priest if he wasn't FULLY in compliance with the Law AND Grace) "to the Law and the Testimony"; his dead body was dragged out by the rope tied around him.

Thanks for being there (even the ones I disputed with). The Lord is calling out a people and preparing us for the final scenes. I know more than I did yesterday. I know that there is still more to learn--and unlearn. Happy Sabbath to you all.
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Close but no cigar.

You are all missing it.
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Go to Google Images, type "roman statues" and hit enter. That's who they were.
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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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I think that, even though I am a newborn and a dope head ignoramus, I have been fruitful in my blind search this Holy Sabbath.

As it was already mentioned here, Isaiah 11:11-16 is something... And it is INDEED. It is the little tiny bit that is deliberately avoided, as well as Micah 2.
It is all about the role of Edom.



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First the Jews are Edomites according to you and now the Romans are Edomites too? You really don't have a clue what you're talking about, do you? lol
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First the Jews are Edomites according to you and now the Romans are Edomites too? You really don't have a clue what you're talking about, do you? lol
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identified your location firrt!
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First the Jews are Edomites according to you and now the Romans are Edomites too? You really don't have a clue what you're talking about, do you? lol
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identify your location first!

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oh, well...
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First the Jews are Edomites according to you and now the Romans are Edomites too? You really don't have a clue what you're talking about, do you? lol
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identify your location first!

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oh, well...
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What?
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First the Jews are Edomites according to you and now the Romans are Edomites too? You really don't have a clue what you're talking about, do you? lol
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identify your location first!

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oh, well...
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What?
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nothing. it is ut as if you are talking from an asshole, not a place here, on earth. This is it, clueless.
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identify your location first!

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oh, well...
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What?
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nothing. it is ut as if you are talking from an asshole, not a place here, on earth. This is it, clueless.
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Are you retarded? LOL
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Roman catholic church, and all its inhabitants;

"So Rome, Edom, and Christianity became, and are, synonymous with Babylon, and therefore is called mystical Babylon;* not only because she had her rise from them, but because of her great Confusion of Tongues as took place in Babel or Babylon, which is confusion, and also from her many sects and divisions springing from that cause. We know too, and are certain that all Protestants first separated themselves and CAME OUT FROM ROME, or the Roman Catholics, in the 16th century, at the Reformation, (so called by Martin Luther.) So by this we see Protestants are of the seed of Rome, and Rome is of the seed of Kittim, or Chittim. See Gen. x. 1-4, and the Book of Jasher, 90 c. 8 v.

[link to www.jewish-history.com]

Chittum today;
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

"Cyprus was settled by Mycenean Greeks in two waves in the 2nd millennium BC"

Gets a bit confusing, the Ishmael coming from a slave and all....
[link to www.ccel.org]

Seems they were bred to be slaves and later destroyed???

"And Sarai said to Abram, Behold here is my handmaid Hagar, go to her that she may bring forth upon my knees, that I may also obtain children through her.

And at the end of ten years of Abram's dwelling in the land of Canaan, which is the eighty-fifth year of Abram's life, Sarai gave Hagar unto him.

And Abram hearkened to the voice of his wife Sarai, and he took his handmaid Hagar and Abram came to her and she conceived."

"And Hagar at that time returned to her master's house, and at the end of days Hagar bare a son to Abram, and Abram called his name Ishmael; "

Ishmael or "is el's ham", or earth pig.....
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Roman catholic church, and all its inhabitants;

"So Rome, Edom, and Christianity became, and are, synonymous with Babylon, and therefore is called mystical Babylon;* not only because she had her rise from them, but because of her great Confusion of Tongues as took place in Babel or Babylon, which is confusion, and also from her many sects and divisions springing from that cause. We know too, and are certain that all Protestants first separated themselves and CAME OUT FROM ROME, or the Roman Catholics, in the 16th century, at the Reformation, (so called by Martin Luther.) So by this we see Protestants are of the seed of Rome, and Rome is of the seed of Kittim, or Chittim. See Gen. x. 1-4, and the Book of Jasher, 90 c. 8 v.

[link to www.jewish-history.com]

Chittum today;
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

"Cyprus was settled by Mycenean Greeks in two waves in the 2nd millennium BC"

Gets a bit confusing, the Ishmael coming from a slave and all....
[link to www.ccel.org]

Seems they were bred to be slaves and later destroyed???

"And Sarai said to Abram, Behold here is my handmaid Hagar, go to her that she may bring forth upon my knees, that I may also obtain children through her.

And at the end of ten years of Abram's dwelling in the land of Canaan, which is the eighty-fifth year of Abram's life, Sarai gave Hagar unto him.

And Abram hearkened to the voice of his wife Sarai, and he took his handmaid Hagar and Abram came to her and she conceived."

"And Hagar at that time returned to her master's house, and at the end of days Hagar bare a son to Abram, and Abram called his name Ishmael; "

Ishmael or "is el's ham", or earth pig.....
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One assumes Ishmael's line broke the covenant of circumcision, when bowing to the "aliens".
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Just FYI on this;

Horus = Jesus
Horus = Left eye

Left eye seen everywhere today......
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oh, well...
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What?
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nothing. it is ut as if you are talking from an asshole, not a place here, on earth. This is it, clueless.
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Are you retarded? LOL
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yes, and have no shame in it.
but what are you, wise man?
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Roman catholic church, and all its inhabitants;

"So Rome, Edom, and Christianity became, and are, synonymous with Babylon, and therefore is called mystical Babylon;* not only because she had her rise from them, but because of her great Confusion of Tongues as took place in Babel or Babylon, which is confusion, and also from her many sects and divisions springing from that cause. We know too, and are certain that all Protestants first separated themselves and CAME OUT FROM ROME, or the Roman Catholics, in the 16th century, at the Reformation, (so called by Martin Luther.) So by this we see Protestants are of the seed of Rome, and Rome is of the seed of Kittim, or Chittim. See Gen. x. 1-4, and the Book of Jasher, 90 c. 8 v.

[link to www.jewish-history.com]

Chittum today;
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

"Cyprus was settled by Mycenean Greeks in two waves in the 2nd millennium BC"

Gets a bit confusing, the Ishmael coming from a slave and all....
[link to www.ccel.org]

Seems they were bred to be slaves and later destroyed???

"And Sarai said to Abram, Behold here is my handmaid Hagar, go to her that she may bring forth upon my knees, that I may also obtain children through her.

And at the end of ten years of Abram's dwelling in the land of Canaan, which is the eighty-fifth year of Abram's life, Sarai gave Hagar unto him.

And Abram hearkened to the voice of his wife Sarai, and he took his handmaid Hagar and Abram came to her and she conceived."

"And Hagar at that time returned to her master's house, and at the end of days Hagar bare a son to Abram, and Abram called his name Ishmael; "

Ishmael or "is el's ham", or earth pig.....

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Wrong! For Ishmael means 'God shall hear'
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hf
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
:knoup:
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hf
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
:knoup:
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edom, south east of israel, full of ancient copper mines.

The "jews" made a deal to be the labor, the arc was the covenant, they apparently killed em all and stole it, renamed it Solomon mines.


Still trying to kill the rest of them I see.

This was moses trip 3 days west by the way, new lord all that. Might want to read the book sometime.



case closed, next.
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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
:knoup:
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good post
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[youtube]i KNOW THOSE WHO SAY THEY ARE YAHUDI AND ARE NOT BUT THE SIN-A-GOG OF SATAN. THE SO-CALLED NEGROES ARE THE TRUE HEBREW-ISREALITES....

EDOMITES ARE THE GREEKS & ROMANS, AND OUT OF THEM YOU GET THE DUTCH,FRENCH,ENGLISH,TURKES,POLISH,SPANISH, IRISH,SCOTTISH AND SO FORTH. THE WHOLE ENTIRE EUROPEAN NATIONS. THEY ARE PREETY MUCH A DOOMED RACE OF PEOPLE.
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[youtube]Jacob and Esau - IUIC
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