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POLL: USA TODAY Poll on the Second Amendment and if it gives individuals the right to bear arms...

 
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Voted! :)

(As if that does us good any more)

But for what it's worth - I'm sure we'll have a crowd that will want to take away our rights to own firearms based on the following:

Our Religious Belief
Our political party
The friends we have
The way we choose to educate our Children
The Internet sites we visit.
Your culture and race and possibly gender.

It's coming down to these - I am convinced of it.

I hope we all stand strong!

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I voted 8 times.... Yeah, this is definitely a scientific poll.jerkit
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keep voting, but you only count as one though
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The number of votes goes up every time I vote.
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Today, when a concerted effort is made to obliterate this point, it cannot be repeated too often that the Constitution is a limitation on the government, not on private individuals—that it does not prescribe the conduct of private individuals, only the conduct of the government—that it is not a charter for government power, but a charter of the citizens’ protection against the government.
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clappa
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Today, when a concerted effort is made to obliterate this point, it cannot be repeated too often that the Constitution is a limitation on the government, not on private individuals—that it does not prescribe the conduct of private individuals, only the conduct of the government—that it is not a charter for government power, but a charter of the citizens’ protection against the government.
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Sadly, the INDIVIDUALS in government, don't see the Constitution as it was intended.

They see it as something that limits the people and empowers government to get away with murder.
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12/21/2012 07:14 PM
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Re: POLL: USA TODAY Poll on the Second Amendment and if it gives individuals the right to bear arms...
Technically rights come from God not government. So the second ammendment doesn't "give" a right so much as simply list it as something government can't take away. But for the purposes of sheople polls in the propaganda media, yes it does.
"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787
[link to line-in-the-sand.spam]
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12/21/2012 07:15 PM
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why did this have to be polled???dribble anyone can look it up and READ it!
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12/21/2012 07:23 PM
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Re: POLL: USA TODAY Poll on the Second Amendment and if it gives individuals the right to bear arms...
I voted NO.

Anyone who voted YES is a fucking retard.

The constitution does not give any individual rights. It limits the power of the Federal Government. Nothing more.

I'm sure every constitutional expert on this forum voted yes and has never stepped foot inside a University's political science department much less class.
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12/21/2012 07:25 PM
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Re: POLL: USA TODAY Poll on the Second Amendment and if it gives individuals the right to bear arms...
I voted NO.

Anyone who voted YES is a fucking retard.

The constitution does not give any individual rights. It limits the power of the Federal Government. Nothing more.

I'm sure every constitutional expert on this forum voted yes and has never stepped foot inside a University's political science department much less class.
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This is the correct answer, the constitution is a document which tie that which it created down
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12/21/2012 07:46 PM
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just voted yes

97%
ha ha

Next they'll ban "yes"
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12/21/2012 07:50 PM
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Re: POLL: USA TODAY Poll on the Second Amendment and if it gives individuals the right to bear arms...
I voted NO.

Anyone who voted YES is a fucking retard.

The constitution does not give any individual rights. It limits the power of the Federal Government. Nothing more.

I'm sure every constitutional expert on this forum voted yes and has never stepped foot inside a University's political science department much less class.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10544309


Dude you are the retard you pompous ass

If it limits the power of the Federal government then they should remove themselves from the debate.

But being that the states are now pawns of the feds then the states should keep out of it too
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12/21/2012 07:51 PM
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Re: POLL: USA TODAY Poll on the Second Amendment and if it gives individuals the right to bear arms...
I voted NO.

Anyone who voted YES is a fucking retard.

The constitution does not give any individual rights. It limits the power of the Federal Government. Nothing more.

I'm sure every constitutional expert on this forum voted yes and has never stepped foot inside a University's political science department much less class.
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The so-called political science programs at universities have been the prob for the past 30 yrs. Dumbass.
Anonymous Coward
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12/21/2012 08:27 PM
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Re: POLL: USA TODAY Poll on the Second Amendment and if it gives individuals the right to bear arms...
Its a poll from 2007

Nobody is going to check it.

You've been trolled

Deal with it.
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12/21/2012 08:41 PM
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Re: POLL: USA TODAY Poll on the Second Amendment and if it gives individuals the right to bear arms...
Every American has a right to BEAR ARMS.

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12/21/2012 08:42 PM
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I voted!
5a
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Fail !
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12/21/2012 08:42 PM
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Re: POLL: USA TODAY Poll on the Second Amendment and if it gives individuals the right to bear arms...
The second amendment doesn't really GIVE any rights at all, it just reiterates them.

Don't get caught-up in this idea that the 2nd Amendment is needed to have firearms. Say these words or something along these lines to everyone "The people have the right to bear arms with/without the 2nd Amendment".

I can just see them trying to amend the constitution for this and then say "OK, we changed it, no more guns."
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12/21/2012 08:57 PM
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Did ANYONE bother to see that the link leads to a 2007 poll that no longer counts the votes?
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12/21/2012 08:58 PM
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to be specific, November 2007?
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12/21/2012 09:20 PM
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Re: POLL: USA TODAY Poll on the Second Amendment and if it gives individuals the right to bear arms...
I voted NO.

Anyone who voted YES is a fucking retard.

The constitution does not give any individual rights. It limits the power of the Federal Government. Nothing more.

I'm sure every constitutional expert on this forum voted yes and has never stepped foot inside a University's political science department much less class.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10544309


I think the law school would be the only relevant place.

Never thought someone would trump your "poli sci dept." did you?

Anyway, the Bill of Rights does give rights, that neither the Federal nor any subsidiary government within the US can take away. In that sense, the 2nd Amendment is a restriction on states, that they cannot infringe the right to bear arms.
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12/21/2012 09:23 PM
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Done. Not in this fucking lifetime,azzhats!!!
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12/21/2012 09:26 PM
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Re: POLL: USA TODAY Poll on the Second Amendment and if it gives individuals the right to bear arms...
Guess they were not happy with the poll results the first time, so USA Today is running another one...Vote Now.

Attorney General Eric Holder, has already said this is one of his major issues. He does not believe the 2nd Amendment gives individuals the right to bear arms. This takes literally 2 clicks to complete. Please vote on this gun issue question with USA Today. Then pass the link on to all the pro-gun folks you know. Hopefully the results will be published later this month.

[link to usatoday30.usatoday.com]
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Well then I say I don't care Attorney General Eric Holder does not believe in the 2nd Amendment because it does not matter what Attorney General Eric Holder or President Obama or the other 500 idiots believe.

What matters is the second amendment. The quicker they understand that the better we will get along.
TDJ

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12/21/2012 09:31 PM
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12,085,980 votes and %97 for the 2nd amendment giving us the right to own guns.

Well Barry, there's you answer. 12 million Americans disagree with your views but that doesn't matter to you does it?


are we supposed to hunt like this???
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12/21/2012 09:33 PM
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People didn't want socialized medicine either. You think a poll will stop them? You think they care about your rights?
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12/21/2012 09:48 PM
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People didn't want socialized medicine either. You think a poll will stop them? You think they care about your rights?
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Unfortunately, what you say is all too true.

I think the key to what the men that set up the rules of this nation meant about the 2nd Amendment is very clear when you, or IF you take the time to read their commentaries on government in general. All of them, and I mean ALL of them wrote and spoke often of the abuses and inevitable corruption of all governments and the need for citizenry to have the means to stop these corrupt motherfuckers when they go over the edge.

How can ANYONE argue what the founding fathers felt about arms against tyrants when they themselves took arms against their own LEGAL government, once the corrution was as great as it had gotten. I mean really, read it again stupids!
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Re: POLL: USA TODAY Poll on the Second Amendment and if it gives individuals the right to bear arms...
97% yes 2nd gives individual rights (don't fuck with it Eric)
2% no
1% undecided

why is that little weasel wondering? The Supreme Court decided that it says in plain English that the answer is YES WE AS INDIVIDUALS HAVE THE UNABRIDGED RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS
 Quoting: Ralph--a house dog


Eric Holder is not bound by the laws of white men.
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Corrected it for you, nag. "Eric Holder is not bound by the laws of men."
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12/21/2012 10:08 PM
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Re: POLL: USA TODAY Poll on the Second Amendment and if it gives individuals the right to bear arms...
I voted NO.

Anyone who voted YES is a fucking retard.

The constitution does not give any individual rights. It limits the power of the Federal Government. Nothing more.

I'm sure every constitutional expert on this forum voted yes and has never stepped foot inside a University's political science department much less class.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10544309


I think the law school would be the only relevant place.

Never thought someone would trump your "poli sci dept." did you?

Anyway, the Bill of Rights does give rights, that neither the Federal nor any subsidiary government within the US can take away. In that sense, the 2nd Amendment is a restriction on states, that they cannot infringe the right to bear arms.
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No it does not. The constitution does not give citizens any rights. PERIOD. The "founding fathers" considered rights to be GOD-GIVEN. It says infringe upon; not grant, the right the bear arms. Meaning you had that right prior to the US government being formed under the Constitution. Now shut the fuck up.

If what you say is true, then we'd only have the right that are listed in the US constitution. I would then ask you where is your right to take a shit? And you would go on to say some stupid shit to maintain your alternative reality.
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Re: POLL: USA TODAY Poll on the Second Amendment and if it gives individuals the right to bear arms...
"if it gives individuals the right to bear arms..."

catch that, 'it GIVES the right"...

Now, would you answer, "Yes, I agree to that"?

or, "No, I do not agree to that"?


Poll writers are very tricky and sneaky critters... be always on our guard about the words and meaning of the entire poll question.
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Originated for the militia!

Why vote against a posible millitia!
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Re: POLL: USA TODAY Poll on the Second Amendment and if it gives individuals the right to bear arms...
Here is the exact Poll Question that USA TODAY Poll asked, the exact langauge:

"Does the Second Amendment give individuals the right to bear arms?"

There are two parts to this proposition. The two key words are, 1.) give, 2.) individuals.

There is no language in the text of the 2nd Amendment that uses the exact word, "give", nor does the language of the text of the 2nd Amendment make any use of the word, "individuals".

USA's Poll Question is designed to trick the poll taker to respond in a certain way. They might even be using this Poll result to discover how stupid the people of the USA are in general.

If they see the majority vote yes, what do they then know about those that answered this Poll in the affirmative?

The first thing they know is that the majority of the Poll respondents are typical shallow knee-jerk reflexing non-thinkers.

Food for thought about any Poll Question.
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12/21/2012 10:34 PM
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Re: POLL: USA TODAY Poll on the Second Amendment and if it gives individuals the right to bear arms...
However if the majority of the Poll respondents answer "no" they can then say that the majority of the Poll respondents do not support the 2nd Amendment.. with their comments in stealth to a 'subtle' agenda.

So, depending on how their are going to make comments on the results of their poll, the have all the 'ammunition' they need to cause a certain percentage of their readers to side to which ever side the Editiors and Publishers decide to focus on.
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Re: POLL: USA TODAY Poll on the Second Amendment and if it gives individuals the right to bear arms...
The 3rd Poll question answer option, "undecided" can mean that people just don't understand the question sufficiently to eat the poison apple, so they much keep on banging again until the fewer and fewer are 'on the fence'.

You best option is to not answer the Poll at all but kill the page, and go do something else.

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