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POLL: USA TODAY Poll on the Second Amendment and if it gives individuals the right to bear arms...

 
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97% yes 2nd gives individual rights (don't fuck with it Eric)
2% no
1% undecided

why is that little weasel wondering? The Supreme Court decided that it says in plain English that the answer is YES WE AS INDIVIDUALS HAVE THE UNABRIDGED RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS
 Quoting: Ralph--a house dog


NO! The 2nd Amendment does not GIVE a damned thing. It protects the People from the Government taking away one of their God given rights.
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Re: POLL: USA TODAY Poll on the Second Amendment and if it gives individuals the right to bear arms...
However if the majority of the Poll respondents answer "no" they can then say that the majority of the Poll respondents do not support the 2nd Amendment.. with their comments in stealth to a 'subtle' agenda.

So, depending on how their are going to make comments on the results of their poll, the have all the 'ammunition' they need to cause a certain percentage of their readers to side to which ever side the Editiors and Publishers decide to focus on.
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Heads, they win.. tails, we lose.
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Over 1.2 mil votes. You would think they get the drift.
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when there are 150 Million votes. responding one way or the other.

It's a bad Poll Question to begin with that has ulterior motives behind it.
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However if the majority of the Poll respondents answer "no" they can then say that the majority of the Poll respondents do not support the 2nd Amendment.. with their comments in stealth to a 'subtle' agenda.

So, depending on how their are going to make comments on the results of their poll, the have all the 'ammunition' they need to cause a certain percentage of their readers to side to which ever side the Editiors and Publishers decide to focus on.
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Heads, they win.. tails, we lose.
 Quoting: Waterbug


Exactly my point.
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Bottom line....this move to confiscate guns signals that they feel that the economy is about to go over the cliff. Throughout history they always try and confiscate firearms before a collapse. That's what it's all about....
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BINGO
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” – Carl Sagan
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WOW, over 12 million people voted and are voting on this. All in Favor of the 2nd Amendment.........So much for the Anti Gunners..



coffee4
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25214501

WOw, 12 million+ people agreeing that in essence, the Constitution Gives Rights... therefore;

Any Constitution amendment can take away rights as well, such as your right to life, liberty, property, freedom, choice of religious conscience, freedom to Think.

A big 12 Million + group of pure unadulterated sheep.
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Today, when a concerted effort is made to obliterate this point, it cannot be repeated too often that the Constitution is a limitation on the government, not on private individuals—that it does not prescribe the conduct of private individuals, only the conduct of the government—that it is not a charter for government power, but a charter of the citizens’ protection against the government.
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And it cannot take away nor give what only God can give or take away. God-given Rights.
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The premise of the poll is skewed. I know this is nit-picking but the 2nd Amendment does not 'give' us the right to bear arms...it Confirms the un-a-lienable right we already have.
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This is not nit-picking at all, this is discovering whether the right arm of the sweater's sleeve is still attached to the Bodice or not.
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Today, when a concerted effort is made to obliterate this point, it cannot be repeated too often that the Constitution is a limitation on the government, not on private individuals—that it does not prescribe the conduct of private individuals, only the conduct of the government—that it is not a charter for government power, but a charter of the citizens’ protection against the government.
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And it cannot take away nor give what only God can give or take away. God-given Rights.
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Guess they were not happy with the poll results the first time, so USA Today is running another one...Vote Now.

Attorney General Eric Holder, has already said this is one of his major issues. He does not believe the 2nd Amendment gives individuals the right to bear arms. This takes literally 2 clicks to complete. Please vote on this gun issue question with USA Today. Then pass the link on to all the pro-gun folks you know. Hopefully the results will be published later this month.

[link to usatoday30.usatoday.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1264598


In a sense this is a trick question. The 2nd amendment doesn't give the right. You already have the right. The unalienable,God given right of self defense from criminals and government. But I repeat myself.
 Quoting: s. d. butler

And I repeat it again.
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Re: POLL: USA TODAY Poll on the Second Amendment and if it gives individuals the right to bear arms...
97% yes 2nd gives individual rights (don't fuck with it Eric)
2% no
1% undecided

why is that little weasel wondering? The Supreme Court decided that it says in plain English that the answer is YES WE AS INDIVIDUALS HAVE THE UNABRIDGED RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS
 Quoting: Ralph--a house dog


12,086,868 votes so I would say it is a representative sample. Fuck Gun Control tards.
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still 97% pro gun

over 12 million votes
 Quoting: SmuRidley


Why the dis-information? It is not 97% 'pro gun' in answer to that Poll's question. The Poll question doesn't even ask about Guns at all. But rather:

"Does the Second Amendment give individuals the right to bear arms?"

Do you have a god-given right to keep and bear a knife, a spear, a hoe, a pitchfork, a cross bow, etc. as well as a hand gun, short rifle, long rifle, or Big Gun like 55mm or 105mm.. etc. Do not focus only on Guns.. this is so much bigger than that.

There is a reason also why so many demand proper spelling as well, it is to keep all people mentally sharp, or at least acknowledging that they have a ways to go to be more mentally sharp. Those that would dull your mental capacity merely seek to keep more and more dumbed down, and not ignorant, but ignoring so many things.
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Re: POLL: USA TODAY Poll on the Second Amendment and if it gives individuals the right to bear arms...
Technically rights come from God not government. So the second ammendment doesn't "give" a right so much as simply list it as something government can't take away. But for the purposes of sheople polls in the propaganda media, yes it does.
 Quoting: Resister


I have a stupid question.

The Atheist... does he have or have not God-given rights?

(Its a trick question.)
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However if the majority of the Poll respondents answer "no" they can then say that the majority of the Poll respondents do not support the 2nd Amendment.. with their comments in stealth to a 'subtle' agenda.

So, depending on how their are going to make comments on the results of their poll, the have all the 'ammunition' they need to cause a certain percentage of their readers to side to which ever side the Editiors and Publishers decide to focus on.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27972246


Heads, they win.. tails, we lose.
 Quoting: Waterbug


Exactly my point.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27972246



So many entirely miss the fact.. that the men
who conceived and wrote the constitution and bill
of rights, were much smarter.. than those who
have attempted to usurp them.

To deviate from their intentions for these
documents, is to lose touch with what it is,
that made this nation great in the first place.

And, furthermore..

... would soil the memory of the citizens who died.. to maintain the freedom to argue about it.

semperfi
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I voted NO.

Anyone who voted YES is a fucking retard.

The constitution does not give any individual rights. It limits the power of the Federal Government. Nothing more.

I'm sure every constitutional expert on this forum voted yes and has never stepped foot inside a University's political science department much less class.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10544309


I chose not to vote in this Poll... at all. It is only an opinion making poll with an unknown purpose.
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Mistake #1 believing in our constitution.
telling it straight

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Are you sure, OP, that this is a real USA Today Poll? Its allowed me to vote multiple times. Smells fake to me.
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I voted NO.

Anyone who voted YES is a fucking retard.

The constitution does not give any individual rights. It limits the power of the Federal Government. Nothing more.

I'm sure every constitutional expert on this forum voted yes and has never stepped foot inside a University's political science department much less class.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10544309


Dude you are the retard you pompous ass

If it limits the power of the Federal government then they should remove themselves from the debate.

But being that the states are now pawns of the feds then the states should keep out of it too
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21963969


The right of the people. The People are the Fifth Branch of the Federal Government, not the MSM, btw, nor the Universities or schools. The States are the Branch of the Federal Government.

We are almost always wrongly taught that there are only three branches of Government in the Federal Government.

The Congress,
The Executive,
The Judicial,
The States,
and
The People.

Five Branches, each branch is symbolized as one of the rays, or points or branches of the Five Pointed Star in our Federal Flags (plural: a War Flag, and a Peace Flag).

This is why it is a Five Pointed Star and not a Four Pointed Star like in NATO, nor a Six Pointed Star like the flag of the State of Israel.
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Did ANYONE bother to see that the link leads to a 2007 poll that no longer counts the votes?
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I had, but its a matter of a point of principle. So that when on a later day, some Poll Taker brings up the exact same Poll Question again, a few more will know what that exact question means.
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#2 America fell along time ago. Pull up your suspenders and face the truth. We are a third world country with first world debt. Glory days are over.
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith Yahweh, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their Elohim, and they shall be my people.
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#3

We fell when we removed God from our society. They will take your guns and guess what there is nothing you can do to stop them.
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith Yahweh, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their Elohim, and they shall be my people.
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#2 America fell along time ago. Pull up your suspenders and face the truth. We are a third world country with first world debt. Glory days are over.
 Quoting: ParadigmShift


Defeatism aids the process.

Good job.
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Re: POLL: USA TODAY Poll on the Second Amendment and if it gives individuals the right to bear arms...
I voted NO.

Anyone who voted YES is a fucking retard.

The constitution does not give any individual rights. It limits the power of the Federal Government. Nothing more.

I'm sure every constitutional expert on this forum voted yes and has never stepped foot inside a University's political science department much less class.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10544309


I think the law school would be the only relevant place.

Never thought someone would trump your "poli sci dept." did you?

Anyway, the Bill of Rights does give rights, that neither the Federal nor any subsidiary government within the US can take away. In that sense, the 2nd Amendment is a restriction on states, that they cannot infringe the right to bear arms.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28008747


The 2nd Amendment applies as an imposition and restriction upon the individual State Governments as well as an imposition and restriction upon the Union of those States.

This is one place where the People are Sovereign and have not surrendered Right, only shared in their use of their Right of Power and shared the power to the State and to the Central Union Government. The Right and the Power to share or not share as the People may decide from time to time, is a sovereign action and power.
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Re: POLL: USA TODAY Poll on the Second Amendment and if it gives individuals the right to bear arms...
Why the hell would you need somebody to tell you if something is your "right" or not??? If you want to own a gun, you get one!

If some asshole makes it illegal to own guns, you have 3 options:

1. Comply.
2. Break the law in secret.
3. Revolt.


FFS all the criminals in the entire world have realized that there is not enough goddamned paper in the world to keep them from doing whatever the fuck they feel like. They just pay the consequences when they are sloppy.
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#2 America fell along time ago. Pull up your suspenders and face the truth. We are a third world country with first world debt. Glory days are over.
 Quoting: ParadigmShift


Defeatism aids the process.

Good job.
 Quoting: Waterbug



FDR started the process by making the people dependent on the government. We were defeated a long time ago.
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith Yahweh, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their Elohim, and they shall be my people.
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#2 America fell along time ago. Pull up your suspenders and face the truth. We are a third world country with first world debt. Glory days are over.
 Quoting: ParadigmShift


Defeatism aids the process.

Good job.
 Quoting: Waterbug



FDR started the process by making the people dependent on the government. We were defeated a long time ago.
 Quoting: ParadigmShift


What was done can be undone.
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12,085,980 votes and %97 for the 2nd amendment giving us the right to own guns.

Well Barry, there's you answer. 12 million Americans disagree with your views but that doesn't matter to you does it?


are we supposed to hunt like this???
:deertrap:
 Quoting: TDJ


There they go again with that British Reductionism. Arms not only Guns, but all Arms.. focus on the Guns and you just might loose the protection of the Canon, and the Bomb, or even pitch forks and baseball bats, the spears, the bow and arrow, or the shoulder launched Ariel Drone destroyer.

Mark my word, the day is coming when criminal gangs are flying armed Ariel Drones... and you dear Citizen and Resident, will be defenseless against them.
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Re: POLL: USA TODAY Poll on the Second Amendment and if it gives individuals the right to bear arms...
Why the hell would you need somebody to tell you if something is your "right" or not??? If you want to own a gun, you get one!

If some asshole makes it illegal to own guns, you have 3 options:

1. Comply.
2. Break the law in secret.
3. Revolt.


FFS all the criminals in the entire world have realized that there is not enough goddamned paper in the world to keep them from doing whatever the fuck they feel like. They just pay the consequences when they are sloppy.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18432713



You should study history and the nature of revolts. If you think the 2nd Amendment will solidify people your wrong. They know this as well.
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith Yahweh, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their Elohim, and they shall be my people.
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I think the key to what the men that set up the rules of this nation meant about the 2nd Amendment is very clear when you, or IF you take the time to read their commentaries on government in general. All of them, and I mean ALL of them wrote and spoke often of the abuses and inevitable corruption of all governments and the need for citizenry to have the means to stop these corrupt motherfuckers when they go over the edge.

How can ANYONE argue what the founding fathers felt about arms against tyrants when they themselves took arms against their own LEGAL government, once the corrution was as great as it had gotten. I mean really, read it again stupids!
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Hear Ye, Hear Ye!
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#2 America fell along time ago. Pull up your suspenders and face the truth. We are a third world country with first world debt. Glory days are over.
 Quoting: ParadigmShift


Defeatism aids the process.

Good job.
 Quoting: Waterbug



FDR started the process by making the people dependent on the government. We were defeated a long time ago.
 Quoting: ParadigmShift


What was done can be undone.
 Quoting: Waterbug


To late now. Dependency is just another arm of the political machine and a damn powerful one too.
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith Yahweh, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their Elohim, and they shall be my people.

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