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POLL: USA TODAY Poll on the Second Amendment and if it gives individuals the right to bear arms...

 
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Defeatism aids the process.

Good job.
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FDR started the process by making the people dependent on the government. We were defeated a long time ago.
 Quoting: ParadigmShift


What was done can be undone.
 Quoting: Waterbug


To late now. Dependency is just another arm of the political machine and a damn powerful one too.
 Quoting: ParadigmShift


Judging by recent history.. you are definitely right about that.
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FDR started the process by making the people dependent on the government. We were defeated a long time ago.
 Quoting: ParadigmShift


What was done can be undone.
 Quoting: Waterbug


To late now. Dependency is just another arm of the political machine and a damn powerful one too.
 Quoting: ParadigmShift


Judging by recent history.. you are definitely right about that.
 Quoting: Waterbug



hf

America at the core is Federalist, democracy being sold to the masses as an illusion. Started back during the First World War, and first real banking crisis.
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith Yahweh, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their Elohim, and they shall be my people.
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Now let me ask, why do you think the government has removed God from our country?
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith Yahweh, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their Elohim, and they shall be my people.
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12/21/2012 11:48 PM
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#3

We fell when we removed God from our society. They will take your guns and guess what there is nothing you can do to stop them.
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We couldn't remove God from our society if we wanted to, the issue is only under God's hands and His alone.
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12/21/2012 11:51 PM

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What was done can be undone.
 Quoting: Waterbug


To late now. Dependency is just another arm of the political machine and a damn powerful one too.
 Quoting: ParadigmShift


Judging by recent history.. you are definitely right about that.
 Quoting: Waterbug



hf

America at the core is Federalist, democracy being sold to the masses as an illusion. Started back during the First World War, and first real banking crisis.
 Quoting: ParadigmShift


Why do you think that it is hopeless to believe that
things could ever get better instead of worse..?

Is it because dumbed-down people are
unduly affecting the political process..
or is it something else..?
Corporate interests..?
Socialism..?
Lack of interest, maybe..?

All of the above..?
ParadigmShift
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#3

We fell when we removed God from our society. They will take your guns and guess what there is nothing you can do to stop them.
 Quoting: ParadigmShift


We couldn't remove God from our society if we wanted to, the issue is only under God's hands and His alone.
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The government has slowly but surely removed God from our society. Think before you respond. Look at all three branches, look at political affiliations. Realize the importance of religion, historically, in revolutions.
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith Yahweh, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their Elohim, and they shall be my people.
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12/21/2012 11:54 PM
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97% yes 2nd gives individual rights (don't fuck with it Eric)
2% no
1% undecided

why is that little weasel wondering? The Supreme Court decided that it says in plain English that the answer is YES WE AS INDIVIDUALS HAVE THE UNABRIDGED RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS
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Eric Holder is not bound by the laws of white men.
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Eric Holder and his ass buddy Obama better leave shit alone or they'll end up deposed, on trial, and facing execution for sedition against these United States.
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right.

and who would arrest them?
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#2 America fell along time ago. Pull up your suspenders and face the truth. We are a third world country with first world debt. Glory days are over.
 Quoting: ParadigmShift


Defeatism aids the process.

Good job.
 Quoting: Waterbug



FDR started the process by making the people dependent on the government. We were defeated a long time ago.
 Quoting: ParadigmShift


The General Welfare is as vital as the Common Defense, both of which are the two corner stones of the foundation of the U.S. Constitution.

FDR did not put the people dependent on the US Government any more than Lincoln put the People into dependency of the Rail Road in planning and setting up the Trans-continental Rail Road.

The Federal Reserve Act is perhaps where the greater dependency of the People came into play, the Dependency on the Federal Reserves Banks and their Federal Reserver Bank-notes. Can you even find a U.S. Note any more?
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To late now. Dependency is just another arm of the political machine and a damn powerful one too.
 Quoting: ParadigmShift


Judging by recent history.. you are definitely right about that.
 Quoting: Waterbug



hf

America at the core is Federalist, democracy being sold to the masses as an illusion. Started back during the First World War, and first real banking crisis.
 Quoting: ParadigmShift


Why do you think that it is hopeless to believe that
things could ever get better instead of worse..?

Is it because dumbed-down people are
unduly affecting the political process..
or is it something else..?
Corporate interests..?
Socialism..?
Lack of interest, maybe..?

All of the above..?
 Quoting: Waterbug


The country is to divided on many fronts. Ethnically, religiously, economically, etc.
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith Yahweh, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their Elohim, and they shall be my people.
ParadigmShift
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#2 America fell along time ago. Pull up your suspenders and face the truth. We are a third world country with first world debt. Glory days are over.
 Quoting: ParadigmShift


Defeatism aids the process.

Good job.
 Quoting: Waterbug



FDR started the process by making the people dependent on the government. We were defeated a long time ago.
 Quoting: ParadigmShift


The General Welfare is as vital as the Common Defense, both of which are the two corner stones of the foundation of the U.S. Constitution.

FDR did not put the people dependent on the US Government any more than Lincoln put the People into dependency of the Rail Road in planning and setting up the Trans-continental Rail Road.

The Federal Reserve Act is perhaps where the greater dependency of the People came into play, the Dependency on the Federal Reserves Banks and their Federal Reserver Bank-notes. Can you even find a U.S. Note any more?
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Obviously your reading black and white instead of between the lines. My reference to dependency refers to the expansion of government. When expansion occurs dependency results.
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith Yahweh, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their Elohim, and they shall be my people.
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12/22/2012 12:25 AM
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Defeatism aids the process.

Good job.
 Quoting: Waterbug



FDR started the process by making the people dependent on the government. We were defeated a long time ago.
 Quoting: ParadigmShift


The General Welfare is as vital as the Common Defense, both of which are the two corner stones of the foundation of the U.S. Constitution.

FDR did not put the people dependent on the US Government any more than Lincoln put the People into dependency of the Rail Road in planning and setting up the Trans-continental Rail Road.

The Federal Reserve Act is perhaps where the greater dependency of the People came into play, the Dependency on the Federal Reserves Banks and their Federal Reserver Bank-notes. Can you even find a U.S. Note any more?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27972246


Obviously your reading black and white instead of between the lines. My reference to dependency refers to the expansion of government. When expansion occurs dependency results.
 Quoting: ParadigmShift


Apparently you have learned from some where that the Government of the USA is only a Three legged critter,

Leg One: The Congress,
Leg Two: The Executive,
Leg Three: The Judiciary.

You ignore in your theory of this government the other two legs of the government of the USA.

Leg Four: The States
Leg Five: The People

Its like a Five Legged Starfish. Each leg expands and contracts as the need be for the whole Starfish to get to its desired goal, the protection and Life, Libery, and the pursuit of happines, to provide for the Common Defense of all the legs, and to provide for the General Welfare of all five of its legs.

One leg extends for a time, and then contracts, and then another leg extends for a time, and then contracts, and then another leg extends for a time and then contracts.

This Government was designed to be Organic, and not a Political Machine but an Organic Lifeform.

The Starfish is the Federal Government. It has Five Legs.
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12/22/2012 12:26 AM
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And yes, it is a Beast.
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Technically rights come from God not government. So the second ammendment doesn't "give" a right so much as simply list it as something government can't take away. But for the purposes of sheople polls in the propaganda media, yes it does.
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I have a stupid question.

The Atheist... does he have or have not God-given rights?

(Its a trick question.)
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Yes of course. Denying that the sky is blue doesn't mean it isn't it just means you are wrong. Atheists have the same rights given by the same God. They just deny where they came from.
"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787
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There are many on these boards, particularly our foreign friends who seem to think that the Bill of Rights resident within our Constitution are rights granted by the government to our people and, therefore, subject to modification.

The founders crafted this document and stated that these rights are granted by God to all men. The Bill of Rights does not grant our rights to us, it prevents the government from infringing upon rights, natural rights, already granted to us by God. The limitations on exercise of those rights is subject only to where exercising them infringes upon the same rights of another.

Today, we have a government that would like to convince its population that these rights are bad and will go to whatever lengths are necessary to manipulate public opinion to agree with their agenda.

About 30 years ago, I was involved in a school teachers strike in our community. I was with a small group of parents who went to the local high school to confront the participants in the negotiations because it had been dragging on and on. When I caught the union representative returning to the negotiations from a break, I demanded to know what he was doing about getting our children back in the classroom. He looked me square in the eyes and said, "We're going to do whatever we have to do to get what we want." The hair on the back of my neck stood up. I have never forgotten that and at that moment I understood how things really work.

In a radio interview some years back, Obama expressed his view that the rights guaranteed by the Bill of Rights were "negative rights" because they only said what the government can't do, not what it must do. This interview can be found on youtube, at least it used to be there. This explains a lot about his beliefs and provides much basis for the events that are unfolding.
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There are many on these boards, particularly our foreign friends who seem to think that the Bill of Rights resident within our Constitution are rights granted by the government to our people and, therefore, subject to modification.

The founders crafted this document and stated that these rights are granted by God to all men. The Bill of Rights does not grant our rights to us, it prevents the government from infringing upon rights, natural rights, already granted to us by God. The limitations on exercise of those rights is subject only to where exercising them infringes upon the same rights of another.

Today, we have a government that would like to convince its population that these rights are bad and will go to whatever lengths are necessary to manipulate public opinion to agree with their agenda.

About 30 years ago, I was involved in a school teachers strike in our community. I was with a small group of parents who went to the local high school to confront the participants in the negotiations because it had been dragging on and on. When I caught the union representative returning to the negotiations from a break, I demanded to know what he was doing about getting our children back in the classroom. He looked me square in the eyes and said, "We're going to do whatever we have to do to get what we want." The hair on the back of my neck stood up. I have never forgotten that and at that moment I understood how things really work.

In a radio interview some years back, Obama expressed his view that the rights guaranteed by the Bill of Rights were "negative rights" because they only said what the government can't do, not what it must do. This interview can be found on youtube, at least it used to be there. This explains a lot about his beliefs and provides much basis for the events that are unfolding.
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Yes. the collectivists will do whatever they have to.

Including mass murder and their very own gulag for "enemies of the state".
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I Love all the Foreigners who Lecture us on the Right to bear Arms... No Really, I do... I respect you all... But...

I wouldn't expect you to Understand our Constitution, or the Value we place upon our Liberties...

I wouldn't expect you to Understand Freedom or Liberty, when it is something that you yourself have never been allowed to have or experience...

Why didn't the Japanese invade the US mainland during WW2?

The Second Amendment... That's why.

Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto - “You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass.”

And let's get something Straight...

The Second Amendment does not say "The Right of the Militia to keep and bear Arms shall not be Infringed"

Instead, it Acknowledges the necessity of the Militia, and Guarantees that:

"The Right of the People to keep and bear Arms, Shall not be infringed."

Now...

I'll give you a Penny for your thoughts, since I just added my 2 Cents.
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