POLL: USA TODAY Poll on the Second Amendment and if it gives individuals the right to bear arms... | |
*HAARP Lady* User ID: 30590548 United States 12/21/2012 06:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: POLL: USA TODAY Poll on the Second Amendment and if it gives individuals the right to bear arms... (As if that does us good any more) But for what it's worth - I'm sure we'll have a crowd that will want to take away our rights to own firearms based on the following: Our Religious Belief Our political party The friends we have The way we choose to educate our Children The Internet sites we visit. Your culture and race and possibly gender. It's coming down to these - I am convinced of it. I hope we all stand strong! ~ Haarpy Don't get mad - Get a Pepsi! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 30557855 United States 12/21/2012 07:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: POLL: USA TODAY Poll on the Second Amendment and if it gives individuals the right to bear arms... Today, when a concerted effort is made to obliterate this point, it cannot be repeated too often that the Constitution is a limitation on the government, not on private individuals—that it does not prescribe the conduct of private individuals, only the conduct of the government—that it is not a charter for government power, but a charter of the citizens’ protection against the government. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30550126 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 30579951 United States 12/21/2012 07:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: POLL: USA TODAY Poll on the Second Amendment and if it gives individuals the right to bear arms... Today, when a concerted effort is made to obliterate this point, it cannot be repeated too often that the Constitution is a limitation on the government, not on private individuals—that it does not prescribe the conduct of private individuals, only the conduct of the government—that it is not a charter for government power, but a charter of the citizens’ protection against the government. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30550126 Sadly, the INDIVIDUALS in government, don't see the Constitution as it was intended. They see it as something that limits the people and empowers government to get away with murder. |
Resister User ID: 1461638 United States 12/21/2012 07:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: POLL: USA TODAY Poll on the Second Amendment and if it gives individuals the right to bear arms... Technically rights come from God not government. So the second ammendment doesn't "give" a right so much as simply list it as something government can't take away. But for the purposes of sheople polls in the propaganda media, yes it does. "God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787 |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 10544309 United States 12/21/2012 07:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: POLL: USA TODAY Poll on the Second Amendment and if it gives individuals the right to bear arms... I voted NO. Anyone who voted YES is a fucking retard. The constitution does not give any individual rights. It limits the power of the Federal Government. Nothing more. I'm sure every constitutional expert on this forum voted yes and has never stepped foot inside a University's political science department much less class. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 26912620 United States 12/21/2012 07:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: POLL: USA TODAY Poll on the Second Amendment and if it gives individuals the right to bear arms... I voted NO. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10544309 Anyone who voted YES is a fucking retard. The constitution does not give any individual rights. It limits the power of the Federal Government. Nothing more. I'm sure every constitutional expert on this forum voted yes and has never stepped foot inside a University's political science department much less class. This is the correct answer, the constitution is a document which tie that which it created down |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 21963969 United States 12/21/2012 07:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: POLL: USA TODAY Poll on the Second Amendment and if it gives individuals the right to bear arms... I voted NO. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10544309 Anyone who voted YES is a fucking retard. The constitution does not give any individual rights. It limits the power of the Federal Government. Nothing more. I'm sure every constitutional expert on this forum voted yes and has never stepped foot inside a University's political science department much less class. Dude you are the retard you pompous ass If it limits the power of the Federal government then they should remove themselves from the debate. But being that the states are now pawns of the feds then the states should keep out of it too |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 30560559 United States 12/21/2012 07:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: POLL: USA TODAY Poll on the Second Amendment and if it gives individuals the right to bear arms... I voted NO. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10544309 Anyone who voted YES is a fucking retard. The constitution does not give any individual rights. It limits the power of the Federal Government. Nothing more. I'm sure every constitutional expert on this forum voted yes and has never stepped foot inside a University's political science department much less class. The so-called political science programs at universities have been the prob for the past 30 yrs. Dumbass. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 2535001 United States 12/21/2012 08:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: POLL: USA TODAY Poll on the Second Amendment and if it gives individuals the right to bear arms... The second amendment doesn't really GIVE any rights at all, it just reiterates them. Don't get caught-up in this idea that the 2nd Amendment is needed to have firearms. Say these words or something along these lines to everyone "The people have the right to bear arms with/without the 2nd Amendment". I can just see them trying to amend the constitution for this and then say "OK, we changed it, no more guns." |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 28008747 United States 12/21/2012 09:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: POLL: USA TODAY Poll on the Second Amendment and if it gives individuals the right to bear arms... I voted NO. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10544309 Anyone who voted YES is a fucking retard. The constitution does not give any individual rights. It limits the power of the Federal Government. Nothing more. I'm sure every constitutional expert on this forum voted yes and has never stepped foot inside a University's political science department much less class. I think the law school would be the only relevant place. Never thought someone would trump your "poli sci dept." did you? Anyway, the Bill of Rights does give rights, that neither the Federal nor any subsidiary government within the US can take away. In that sense, the 2nd Amendment is a restriction on states, that they cannot infringe the right to bear arms. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 560401 United States 12/21/2012 09:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: POLL: USA TODAY Poll on the Second Amendment and if it gives individuals the right to bear arms... Guess they were not happy with the poll results the first time, so USA Today is running another one...Vote Now. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1264598 Attorney General Eric Holder, has already said this is one of his major issues. He does not believe the 2nd Amendment gives individuals the right to bear arms. This takes literally 2 clicks to complete. Please vote on this gun issue question with USA Today. Then pass the link on to all the pro-gun folks you know. Hopefully the results will be published later this month. [link to usatoday30.usatoday.com] Well then I say I don't care Attorney General Eric Holder does not believe in the 2nd Amendment because it does not matter what Attorney General Eric Holder or President Obama or the other 500 idiots believe. What matters is the second amendment. The quicker they understand that the better we will get along. |
TDJ User ID: 26423286 United States 12/21/2012 09:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: POLL: USA TODAY Poll on the Second Amendment and if it gives individuals the right to bear arms... Well Barry, there's you answer. 12 million Americans disagree with your views but that doesn't matter to you does it? are we supposed to hunt like this??? Last Edited by Founders Fan on 12/21/2012 09:31 PM If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already. Bob Marley “The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” THOMAS PAINE (1737-1809) Do not pray for an easy life, pray for the strength to endure a difficult one. Bruce Lee |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 4655644 United States 12/21/2012 09:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: POLL: USA TODAY Poll on the Second Amendment and if it gives individuals the right to bear arms... People didn't want socialized medicine either. You think a poll will stop them? You think they care about your rights? Quoting: ParadigmShift 29318346 Unfortunately, what you say is all too true. I think the key to what the men that set up the rules of this nation meant about the 2nd Amendment is very clear when you, or IF you take the time to read their commentaries on government in general. All of them, and I mean ALL of them wrote and spoke often of the abuses and inevitable corruption of all governments and the need for citizenry to have the means to stop these corrupt motherfuckers when they go over the edge. How can ANYONE argue what the founding fathers felt about arms against tyrants when they themselves took arms against their own LEGAL government, once the corrution was as great as it had gotten. I mean really, read it again stupids! |
AdHocBOHICA User ID: 19723065 United States 12/21/2012 09:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: POLL: USA TODAY Poll on the Second Amendment and if it gives individuals the right to bear arms... 97% yes 2nd gives individual rights (don't fuck with it Eric) Quoting: Ralph--a house dog 2% no 1% undecided why is that little weasel wondering? The Supreme Court decided that it says in plain English that the answer is YES WE AS INDIVIDUALS HAVE THE UNABRIDGED RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS Eric Holder is not bound by the laws of white men. Corrected it for you, nag. "Eric Holder is not bound by the laws of men." “Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity.” ~Seneca PS: I Stole this from another member.... ;) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 10544309 United States 12/21/2012 10:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: POLL: USA TODAY Poll on the Second Amendment and if it gives individuals the right to bear arms... I voted NO. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10544309 Anyone who voted YES is a fucking retard. The constitution does not give any individual rights. It limits the power of the Federal Government. Nothing more. I'm sure every constitutional expert on this forum voted yes and has never stepped foot inside a University's political science department much less class. I think the law school would be the only relevant place. Never thought someone would trump your "poli sci dept." did you? Anyway, the Bill of Rights does give rights, that neither the Federal nor any subsidiary government within the US can take away. In that sense, the 2nd Amendment is a restriction on states, that they cannot infringe the right to bear arms. No it does not. The constitution does not give citizens any rights. PERIOD. The "founding fathers" considered rights to be GOD-GIVEN. It says infringe upon; not grant, the right the bear arms. Meaning you had that right prior to the US government being formed under the Constitution. Now shut the fuck up. If what you say is true, then we'd only have the right that are listed in the US constitution. I would then ask you where is your right to take a shit? And you would go on to say some stupid shit to maintain your alternative reality. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 27972246 United States 12/21/2012 10:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: POLL: USA TODAY Poll on the Second Amendment and if it gives individuals the right to bear arms... catch that, 'it GIVES the right"... Now, would you answer, "Yes, I agree to that"? or, "No, I do not agree to that"? Poll writers are very tricky and sneaky critters... be always on our guard about the words and meaning of the entire poll question. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 27972246 United States 12/21/2012 10:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: POLL: USA TODAY Poll on the Second Amendment and if it gives individuals the right to bear arms... Here is the exact Poll Question that USA TODAY Poll asked, the exact langauge: "Does the Second Amendment give individuals the right to bear arms?" There are two parts to this proposition. The two key words are, 1.) give, 2.) individuals. There is no language in the text of the 2nd Amendment that uses the exact word, "give", nor does the language of the text of the 2nd Amendment make any use of the word, "individuals". USA's Poll Question is designed to trick the poll taker to respond in a certain way. They might even be using this Poll result to discover how stupid the people of the USA are in general. If they see the majority vote yes, what do they then know about those that answered this Poll in the affirmative? The first thing they know is that the majority of the Poll respondents are typical shallow knee-jerk reflexing non-thinkers. Food for thought about any Poll Question. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 27972246 United States 12/21/2012 10:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: POLL: USA TODAY Poll on the Second Amendment and if it gives individuals the right to bear arms... However if the majority of the Poll respondents answer "no" they can then say that the majority of the Poll respondents do not support the 2nd Amendment.. with their comments in stealth to a 'subtle' agenda. So, depending on how their are going to make comments on the results of their poll, the have all the 'ammunition' they need to cause a certain percentage of their readers to side to which ever side the Editiors and Publishers decide to focus on. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 27972246 United States 12/21/2012 10:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: POLL: USA TODAY Poll on the Second Amendment and if it gives individuals the right to bear arms... The 3rd Poll question answer option, "undecided" can mean that people just don't understand the question sufficiently to eat the poison apple, so they much keep on banging again until the fewer and fewer are 'on the fence'. You best option is to not answer the Poll at all but kill the page, and go do something else. |