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Anonymous Coward User ID: 27972246 United States 12/21/2012 08:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just for the truth, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27972246 I have the God given right to defend myself and my family even if I have to use biological weapons, chemical weapons AND nuclear weapons to do that. And so do all of you. It is a God given right! You don;t have the God given right to a gun though Bullshit...anything and everything, even Fire. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 29643034 United States 12/21/2012 08:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29643034 Question, what about all the guns criminals already illegally own? Wont it make it easier for them to commit these mass murders with not as many responsible citizens carrying weapons around? Pro-gun control people seem to assume these guns will cease to exist, now explain that to me? Why is it on average that when a country imposes gun control that there violent crime rate increases? Its because criminals will always have the guns, and by imposing the gun control they will be the some of the few left with them... False Dichotomy Post-hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy How is this a false dichotomy? that is the biggest fuckin copout i have ever heard address the points i bring up what about all the criminals who STILL will have guns...i realize responding to this requires a semblance of thought and intelligence, something you may not have, so what do you have to say? Non-Sequitur I answered your question earlier but since you want it again If there are no guns in circulation no criminals can have them and if they have them and decide to use them rest assured they wont have it anymore Guns will illegally circulate... Do you have any comprehension of what a black market is? "and if they have them and decide to use them rest assured they wont have it anymore"-please elaborate on this, all you say is i they use them they will disappear essentially, why? or is that too much for you to explain yourself |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 17208041 United States 12/21/2012 08:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here's something that will twist this twisted moron even more. 2008 Heller vs. The District of Columbia (or Washington D.C.) [link to en.wikipedia.org] Regarding the right of the individual to possess arms. District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008), was a landmark case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution protects an individual's right to possess a firearm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home and within federal enclaves. The decision did not address the question of whether the Second Amendment extends beyond federal enclaves to the states,[1] which was addressed later by McDonald v. Chicago (2010). It was the first Supreme Court case in United States history to decide whether the Second Amendment protects an individual right to keep and bear arms for self-defense.[2] On June 26, 2008, the Supreme Court affirmed the Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit in Heller v. District of Columbia.[3][4] The Court of Appeals had struck down provisions of the Firearms Control Regulations Act of 1975 as unconstitutional, determined that handguns are "arms" for the purposes of the Second Amendment, found that the District of Columbia's regulations act was an unconstitutional banning, and struck down the portion of the regulations act that requires all firearms including rifles and shotguns be kept "unloaded and disassembled or bound by a trigger lock." "Prior to this decision the Firearms Control Regulation Act of 1975 also restricted residents from owning handguns except for those registered prior to 1975."[5] So, do I listen to you and your misinterpretation of OUR Second Amendment and it's most recent AFFIRMATION by the Supreme Court of the United States or some antique French book? Take this to heart... "It is better to keep one's mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt." |
Anonimatos Cobardes User ID: 28284536 United States 12/21/2012 08:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Gun are for barbaric people who can't settle disputes peacefully.If you want true power write a letter ,sign a petition and peacefully demonstrate Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30562031 I've counseled my wife that shooting a would-be rapist through the heart is a better approach than writing him a letter. She agrees. Your wife would be a murderer if she shot a man for such trivial reasons when she could have easily called law enforcement or instead of lethal guns why not pepper spray. LOL Really!!!? Hum, yeah let her call 911.... Hey police come quick I'm about to get raped. Police: mam we'll be there as quick as possible, can you withstand the rape for at least 5-10 mins until we get there? Once we get there we will get him off you..... Very logic eh!? Anonimato Cobarde |
Manu-Koelbren User ID: 1312616 Spain 12/21/2012 08:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Manu-Koelbren You're probably a negroe because you folks just love to twist and falsify history, for you it seems history is a malleable concept of sorts, clearly the fact that your ancestors didn't possess the written word a few hundreds of years back and relied on "oral tradition" must have something to do with it. Ad hominem attacks won't work I gave you proof from contemporaries. Honestly I don't even understand your "proof", you're so dense and obtuse quoting some passage from who knows what book, no one gives a fuck about your rhetoric, the fact that Americans have a long tradition of gun ownership approved by the founding fathers is not debatable, the issue here is how you lefties are trying to end this tradition as you are trying to end ALL traditions. It's clear by the current state of our societies that it is working oh SO well.... The book was written by the contemporaries of the founding fathers they were privy to the most information read what the contemporary scholars said.You are in denial You're full of shit, not even worth taking the time, go spread your BS somewhere else, you're wasting your time here, no one buys what you sell. Banned as usual. “It is far easier to be a weakling than to be a Real Man. Were the Earth less harsh or the circumstances of life less austere, man would destroy himself before the shrine of the languid goddess. Only Real Men can with safety destroy the tangled forests and wilderness of Earth and make from them gardens, but will those who inherit the gardens be Real Men? The law decrees that they must be, or the wilderness will reclaim its own.” |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 30562031 Bahamas 12/21/2012 08:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There won't be a war if you peacefully give up your guns like proper citizens instead of acting like a bunch of vigilantes Our guns are too protect us from vigilantes, i would agree with you if guns never existed, yes in a perfect world we should not have guns. Matter of fact is there are millions of guns in america, so many that it would impossible to even confiscate the majority of them. Because of this, disarming law abiding citizens just lowers the count of so called "responsible guns' on the street, while having criminals maintaining the already ridiculous amount of weapons they have illegally required. But hey pot's illegal, and it hasnt been in america in years! oh wait.... There are alternative means of defending onself how about a stun gun or mace and even pepper spray and Directed energy weapons |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 27972246 United States 12/21/2012 08:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That is TREASON against the people of the United states, if he did say this then he, at a minimum has conspired to commit TREASON against the US people and the constitution. He should be arrested!!! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3820675 So, go file a criminal charge against him. Until that happens its a moot point. |
WAKEUPAMERICA01 User ID: 30489425 United States 12/21/2012 08:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Did you flunk out of law school? Can we see your records? Oh you were a constitutional lecturer is that it. Or are you just pulling our legs barry and co. Your arguments are null and void and you can stop with the jargon of making up shit as you see fit and the book you refer to is like first year political science crap in a liberals wet dream. yes they even existed back in the 1800's just that nobody listened to them retards because their analysis were completely off base and wrong. WAKE UP AMERICA "I love the man that can smile in trouble, that can gather strength from distress, and grow brave by reflection. 'Tis the business of little minds to shrink; but he whose heart is firm, and whose conscience approves his conduct, will pursue his principles unto death." Thomas Paine, The American Crisis, No. 1, December 19, 1776 "Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom, must, like men, undergo the fatigues of supporting it." Thomas Paine, The American Crisis, No. 4, September 11, 1777 "I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a monied aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power (of money) should be taken away from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs." -- Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President. "A majority of the people of the United States have lived all of their lives under emergency rule. For 40 years, [79 years now in 2012] freedoms and governmental procedures guaranteed by the Constitution have in varying degrees been abridged by laws brought into force by statutes of national emergency." |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 30562031 Bahamas 12/21/2012 08:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30562031 Ad hominem attacks won't work I gave you proof from contemporaries. Honestly I don't even understand your "proof", you're so dense and obtuse quoting some passage from who knows what book, no one gives a fuck about your rhetoric, the fact that Americans have a long tradition of gun ownership approved by the founding fathers is not debatable, the issue here is how you lefties are trying to end this tradition as you are trying to end ALL traditions. It's clear by the current state of our societies that it is working oh SO well.... The book was written by the contemporaries of the founding fathers they were privy to the most information read what the contemporary scholars said.You are in denial You're full of shit, not even worth taking the time, go spread your BS somewhere else, you're wasting your time here, no one buys what you sell. Classic you can't deny the proof so you attack the messenger refute the claim made by the founding fathers contemporaries in that book |
WAKEUPAMERICA01 User ID: 30489425 United States 12/21/2012 08:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There won't be a war if you peacefully give up your guns like proper citizens instead of acting like a bunch of vigilantes Our guns are too protect us from vigilantes, i would agree with you if guns never existed, yes in a perfect world we should not have guns. Matter of fact is there are millions of guns in america, so many that it would impossible to even confiscate the majority of them. Because of this, disarming law abiding citizens just lowers the count of so called "responsible guns' on the street, while having criminals maintaining the already ridiculous amount of weapons they have illegally required. But hey pot's illegal, and it hasnt been in america in years! oh wait.... There are alternative means of defending onself how about a stun gun or mace and even pepper spray and Directed energy weapons WAKE UP AMERICA "I love the man that can smile in trouble, that can gather strength from distress, and grow brave by reflection. 'Tis the business of little minds to shrink; but he whose heart is firm, and whose conscience approves his conduct, will pursue his principles unto death." Thomas Paine, The American Crisis, No. 1, December 19, 1776 "Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom, must, like men, undergo the fatigues of supporting it." Thomas Paine, The American Crisis, No. 4, September 11, 1777 "I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a monied aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power (of money) should be taken away from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs." -- Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President. "A majority of the people of the United States have lived all of their lives under emergency rule. For 40 years, [79 years now in 2012] freedoms and governmental procedures guaranteed by the Constitution have in varying degrees been abridged by laws brought into force by statutes of national emergency." |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 24854023 Ireland 12/21/2012 08:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I won this argument I logically presented facts as to why the second amendment is wrong and I also offered logical reason that cannot be doubted as to why guns should be banned I have done my duty of pubic education and service Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30562031 You have won nothing nor done any "duty". You are a fucking retarded, intentionally obtuse, brainless commie halfwit. You have gotten nowhere trying to propogate your lies. Die in a fire you POS. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 27972246 United States 12/21/2012 08:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just for the truth, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27972246 I have the God given right to defend myself and my family even if I have to use biological weapons, chemical weapons AND nuclear weapons to do that. And so do all of you. It is a God given right! You don;t have the God given right to a gun though Question, what about all the guns criminals already illegally own? Wont it make it easier for them to commit these mass murders with not as many responsible citizens carrying weapons around? Pro-gun control people seem to assume these guns will cease to exist, now explain that to me? Why is it on average that when a country imposes gun control that there violent crime rate increases? Its because criminals will always have the guns, and by imposing the gun control they will be the some of the few left with them... False Dichotomy Post-hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy As I suspected, that poster studied at Hogwarts Academy. as if Latin produces 'magical words' that defend him in debate. |
Munsoned User ID: 27143553 United States 12/21/2012 08:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't care anymore come and take them. I'm sick of it all!! We can't win this fight with out a bloodbath. You stupid fools want a hand out, here have some free lead. I'm gonna die a patriot and not a NWO slave. There is no way this bastard won this election. People were pissed, they were organized for the first time ever and Obongo had nobody even showing at his events. TPTB are gonna take the guns at some point. this is phase one. We are the worlds largest army. Let's kick some fucking ass!!!!!!!!!!! Freedom requires breathing room, the Constitution presupposes that there will be some crazies among us so that the rest of us can enjoy freedom. - Judge Andrew Napolitano A huge shit cloud is coming! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 24854023 Ireland 12/21/2012 08:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There won't be a war if you peacefully give up your guns like proper citizens instead of acting like a bunch of vigilantes Our guns are too protect us from vigilantes, i would agree with you if guns never existed, yes in a perfect world we should not have guns. Matter of fact is there are millions of guns in america, so many that it would impossible to even confiscate the majority of them. Because of this, disarming law abiding citizens just lowers the count of so called "responsible guns' on the street, while having criminals maintaining the already ridiculous amount of weapons they have illegally required. But hey pot's illegal, and it hasnt been in america in years! oh wait.... There are alternative means of defending onself how about a stun gun or mace and even pepper spray and Directed energy weapons They are called guns you fuckwart. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 30562031 Bahamas 12/21/2012 08:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I won this argument I logically presented facts as to why the second amendment is wrong and I also offered logical reason that cannot be doubted as to why guns should be banned I have done my duty of pubic education and service Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30562031 You have won nothing nor done any "duty". You are a fucking retarded, intentionally obtuse, brainless commie halfwit. You have gotten nowhere trying to propogate your lies. Die in a fire you POS. Did I hit a nerve I provided proof I gave you the name of the book |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 27972246 United States 12/21/2012 08:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29643034 Question, what about all the guns criminals already illegally own? Wont it make it easier for them to commit these mass murders with not as many responsible citizens carrying weapons around? Pro-gun control people seem to assume these guns will cease to exist, now explain that to me? Why is it on average that when a country imposes gun control that there violent crime rate increases? Its because criminals will always have the guns, and by imposing the gun control they will be the some of the few left with them... False Dichotomy Post-hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy How is this a false dichotomy? that is the biggest fuckin copout i have ever heard address the points i bring up what about all the criminals who STILL will have guns...i realize responding to this requires a semblance of thought and intelligence, something you may not have, so what do you have to say? Non-Sequitur I answered your question earlier but since you want it again If there are no guns in circulation no criminals can have them and if they have them and decide to use them rest assured they wont have it anymore "Can" means Ability. Apparently English is not your first language after all. Do yourself a favor, stick to Latin. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 30442354 United States 12/21/2012 08:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I've been a State Trooper for 11 years and I can tell you right now that not I nor any of my coworkers would attempt to confiscate guns from the people. First of we all believe in the 2nd Ammendment and second, none of us have a death wish. It is that simple. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30442354 Thank you sir! Please, if they begin confiscation, lend us citizens a hand? Well if all of the authorities would be like you it'd be great, however if that'd be the case there wouldn't be swat teams helping banks foreclose homes, officers performing illegal cavity searches for littering nor cops going into people's houses and killing their dogs among a big list of etc. Unfortunately I don't think you're the rule here, most of the authorities will obey orders as they've been programmed to do. We have bad apples like every other profession. And eviction by court order for not paying your bills is a far cry from gun control. |
WAKEUPAMERICA01 User ID: 30489425 United States 12/21/2012 08:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | that you never read just a name of a book that is on your list of talking points to try and prove something shill. Take a hike WAKE UP AMERICA "I love the man that can smile in trouble, that can gather strength from distress, and grow brave by reflection. 'Tis the business of little minds to shrink; but he whose heart is firm, and whose conscience approves his conduct, will pursue his principles unto death." Thomas Paine, The American Crisis, No. 1, December 19, 1776 "Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom, must, like men, undergo the fatigues of supporting it." Thomas Paine, The American Crisis, No. 4, September 11, 1777 "I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a monied aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power (of money) should be taken away from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs." -- Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President. "A majority of the people of the United States have lived all of their lives under emergency rule. For 40 years, [79 years now in 2012] freedoms and governmental procedures guaranteed by the Constitution have in varying degrees been abridged by laws brought into force by statutes of national emergency." |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 27972246 United States 12/21/2012 08:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I won this argument I logically presented facts as to why the second amendment is wrong and I also offered logical reason that cannot be doubted as to why guns should be banned I have done my duty of pubic education and service Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30562031 Sorry, Charlie, the Jury disagrees with you. You've lost the debate. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 29370337 United States 12/21/2012 08:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | IMO It's about time guns need to ban for citizens in order for modern society to advance barbaric weapons such as weapons have no use. Only law enforcement,military and government should have guns to protect us. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30562031 Idiot. Governments have murdered hundreds of millions of people, and you want only them to have them? |
MarkinAZ User ID: 20006444 United States 12/21/2012 08:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The ignorant bastard is violating his oath of office!! Blatantly! What about his OATH of office that included a clause to "PROTECT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA"?? The president is NOT the only official that is required to take that pledge as part of their oath of office. There are legal and lawful means for changing the US Constitution. It's been done often enough with mixed results (look at Prohibition!) But for a Congressman or Senator to just BLATANTLY SUPPORT VIOLATING THE 2nd AMENDMENT is FOOLISH and very BAD FORM - as well as being grounds for his RECALL by his constituents. There are people who would say it's TREASONOUS to propose such a thing! I'm not sure if that's the case or not. Only a seasoned legal mind could be certain of that fact. However, if the people of the US want to change or alter the 2nd Amendment - then do it legally! Personally, I suspect that on sober reflection - over time - the majority of the people in the US will come to the conclusion that we have far more to fear from a potentially oppressive government regime than we have to worry about from an occasional nutcase going berserk and shooting up a school. While outlawing guns may take them away from honest citizens (at least from some honest citizens) there will always be a criminal element that manage to obtain and use weapons when and how they please! As things come out about the boy in Connecticut who is said to have perpetrated these horrors - the fact that he was mentally ill had been obvious for a long time and in many different ways. No one, including his own mother or father were willing or able to insist that he get help. The blame for this tragedy doesn't belong with the Gun Manufacturers. It belongs with parents and a society that would rather deny mental illness exists than help a mentally ill youngster before it's too late to help them! Last Edited by MarkinAZ on 12/21/2012 09:10 PM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 30562031 Bahamas 12/21/2012 08:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How is this a false dichotomy? that is the biggest fuckin copout i have ever heard address the points i bring up what about all the criminals who STILL will have guns...i realize responding to this requires a semblance of thought and intelligence, something you may not have, so what do you have to say? Non-Sequitur I answered your question earlier but since you want it again If there are no guns in circulation no criminals can have them and if they have them and decide to use them rest assured they wont have it anymore "Can" means Ability. Apparently English is not your first language after all. Do yourself a favor, stick to Latin. Fallacy of fallacy refute the rest of the information |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 30562031 Bahamas 12/21/2012 08:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How is this a false dichotomy? that is the biggest fuckin copout i have ever heard address the points i bring up what about all the criminals who STILL will have guns...i realize responding to this requires a semblance of thought and intelligence, something you may not have, so what do you have to say? Non-Sequitur I answered your question earlier but since you want it again If there are no guns in circulation no criminals can have them and if they have them and decide to use them rest assured they wont have it anymore "Can" means Ability. Apparently English is not your first language after all. Do yourself a favor, stick to Latin. Fallacy of fallacy refute the rest of the information |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 30562031 Bahamas 12/21/2012 08:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How is this a false dichotomy? that is the biggest fuckin copout i have ever heard address the points i bring up what about all the criminals who STILL will have guns...i realize responding to this requires a semblance of thought and intelligence, something you may not have, so what do you have to say? Non-Sequitur I answered your question earlier but since you want it again If there are no guns in circulation no criminals can have them and if they have them and decide to use them rest assured they wont have it anymore "Can" means Ability. Apparently English is not your first language after all. Do yourself a favor, stick to Latin. Fallacy of fallacy refute the rest of the information |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 24854023 Ireland 12/21/2012 09:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I won this argument I logically presented facts as to why the second amendment is wrong and I also offered logical reason that cannot be doubted as to why guns should be banned I have done my duty of pubic education and service Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30562031 You have won nothing nor done any "duty". You are a fucking retarded, intentionally obtuse, brainless commie halfwit. You have gotten nowhere trying to propogate your lies. Die in a fire you POS. Did I hit a nerve I provided proof I gave you the name of the book That thing is "proof" of nothing.. i already shot it down just by the date alone even if what you proffer is really written there. it is nothing more than hopelessly foolish wishful thinking. you are just plain pathetic now.. transparent as a paid shill for the commie left. I wish only the worst for you, once again... die in a fire you POS. |