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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 29643034  United States12/21/2012 09:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yawn grasping at straws at the fact that I out debater all of you by presenting clear and logical facts. At the end of the day America is not my country and I do not make the final choice this article shits on you though... [link to dailycaller.com] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30562031  Bahamas12/21/2012 09:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This debate didn't go how I wanted it I hope when we leave we will leave with a mutual respect of each other though we may not respect each others ideologies Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30562031 Nothing but hatred for you. Really shows the measure of a man getting emotional in a debate of ideas |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30562031 Bahamas12/21/2012 09:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yawn grasping at straws at the fact that I out debater all of you by presenting clear and logical facts. At the end of the day America is not my country and I do not make the final choice this article shits on you though... [link to dailycaller.com] Didn't you read the original second amendment |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 29643034 United States12/21/2012 09:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yawn grasping at straws at the fact that I out debater all of you by presenting clear and logical facts. At the end of the day America is not my country and I do not make the final choice this article shits on you though... [link to dailycaller.com] and you have present zero facts or statistics only opinion haha dont you know the difference? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30562031 Bahamas12/21/2012 09:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This debate didn't go how I wanted it I hope when we leave we will leave with a mutual respect of each other though we may not respect each others ideologies Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30562031 I don't respect folks who don't respect individual rights and liberty. I respect your rights and liberties but you don't need a gun for defense what next do you want RPGs because you can keeep and bear it and want to defend your family. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 27997099  United Kingdom12/21/2012 09:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This debate didn't go how I wanted it I hope when we leave we will leave with a mutual respect of each other though we may not respect each others ideologies Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30562031 Nothing but hatred for you. Really shows the measure of a man getting emotional in a debate of ideas Not emotional,just pure hatred of liars that push a agenda to destroy freedom. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 27972246 United States12/21/2012 09:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The ignorant bastard is violating his oath of office!! Blatantly! Quoting: MarkinAZ What about his OATH of office that included a clause to "PROTECT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA"?? The president is NOT the only official that is required to take that pledge as part of their oath of office. There are legal and lawful means for changing the US Constitution. It's been done often enough with mixed results (look at Prohibition!) But for a Congressman or Senator to just BLATANTLY SUPPORT VIOLATING THE 2nd AMENDMENT is FOOLISH and very BAD FORM - as well as being grounds for his RECALL!! Obama doesn't have to protect and defend anything especially something as evil as a gun Fuckin stupid prick.. post your addy.. I promise to see you tomorrow if you do! perfect example why you shouldn't have guns.. fucking spastics can't fight with their fists Damn it, you're correct. He will shot his gun at me and hit my horse. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 29643034 United States12/21/2012 09:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yawn grasping at straws at the fact that I out debater all of you by presenting clear and logical facts. At the end of the day America is not my country and I do not make the final choice this article shits on you though... [link to dailycaller.com] Didn't you read the original second amendment I think your interpretation is full of shit honestly, but again what facts have you presented? by facts i mean statistics that show gun control is effective. You have presented your conditioned opinion there is a difference. |
WAKEUPAMERICA01  User ID: 30489425 United States12/21/2012 09:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yawn grasping at straws at the fact that I out debater all of you by presenting clear and logical facts. At the end of the day America is not my country and I do not make the final choice haha debates usually go with facts and rebuttals. and when libs run out of facts they attack the others character. Your facts are one instance refereneced from 1804 written by liberals at the time. Lets see some real facts about gun control instead of your talking points. You gave it a go and tried with your shill tactics they just have no basis on factual information related to gun control. WAKE UP AMERICA WAKE UP AMERICA "I love the man that can smile in trouble, that can gather strength from distress, and grow brave by reflection. 'Tis the business of little minds to shrink; but he whose heart is firm, and whose conscience approves his conduct, will pursue his principles unto death." Thomas Paine, The American Crisis, No. 1, December 19, 1776 "Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom, must, like men, undergo the fatigues of supporting it." Thomas Paine, The American Crisis, No. 4, September 11, 1777 "I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a monied aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power (of money) should be taken away from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs." -- Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President. "A majority of the people of the United States have lived all of their lives under emergency rule. For 40 years, [79 years now in 2012] freedoms and governmental procedures guaranteed by the Constitution have in varying degrees been abridged by laws brought into force by statutes of national emergency." |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30562031 Bahamas12/21/2012 09:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yawn grasping at straws at the fact that I out debater all of you by presenting clear and logical facts. At the end of the day America is not my country and I do not make the final choice this article shits on you though... [link to dailycaller.com] and you have present zero facts or statistics only opinion haha dont you know the difference? I gave you quotes from Thomas Jefferson I gave you the decision of his contemporaries on the original second amendment I recommend you speak to historians I told you Museums you can go to check |
| Manu-Koelbren User ID: 1312616  Spain12/21/2012 09:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This debate didn't go how I wanted it I hope when we leave we will leave with a mutual respect of each other though we may not respect each others ideologies Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30562031 I don't respect folks who don't respect individual rights and liberty. I respect your rights and liberties but you don't need a gun for defense what next do you want RPGs because you can keeep and bear it and want to defend your family. You don't respect rights and liberties when you don't wish to allow any means to the citizenry to protect themselves were a tyrannical government to arise. Anything desirable thing that cannot be defended will be taken away. You're denying people that right and alluding that the government has more judgement and should be the only one allowed to keep arms. History proves your fallacy with all the cases of governments disarming and then committing genocide on their population. Besides those unsubstantiated obscure book quotes your bring you've got not point whatsoever, and no one gives a damn about your sources. Last Edited by Manu-K on 12/21/2012 09:22 PM Banned as usual. “It is far easier to be a weakling than to be a Real Man. Were the Earth less harsh or the circumstances of life less austere, man would destroy himself before the shrine of the languid goddess. Only Real Men can with safety destroy the tangled forests and wilderness of Earth and make from them gardens, but will those who inherit the gardens be Real Men? The law decrees that they must be, or the wilderness will reclaim its own.” |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30562031 Bahamas12/21/2012 09:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This debate didn't go how I wanted it I hope when we leave we will leave with a mutual respect of each other though we may not respect each others ideologies Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30562031 Nothing but hatred for you. Really shows the measure of a man getting emotional in a debate of ideas Not emotional,just pure hatred of liars that push a agenda to destroy freedom. I love freedom and if America wants guns they can keep it |
| Manu-Koelbren User ID: 1312616 Spain12/21/2012 09:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30562031 Yawn grasping at straws at the fact that I out debater all of you by presenting clear and logical facts. At the end of the day America is not my country and I do not make the final choice this article shits on you though... [link to dailycaller.com] and you have present zero facts or statistics only opinion haha dont you know the difference? I gave you quotes from Thomas Jefferson I gave you the decision of his contemporaries on the original second amendment I recommend you speak to historians I told you Museums you can go to check No one gives a fuck about the opinion of those contemporaries you talk about ,the second amendment talks about the right to bear arms and that's IT. Last Edited by Manu-K on 12/21/2012 09:23 PM Banned as usual. “It is far easier to be a weakling than to be a Real Man. Were the Earth less harsh or the circumstances of life less austere, man would destroy himself before the shrine of the languid goddess. Only Real Men can with safety destroy the tangled forests and wilderness of Earth and make from them gardens, but will those who inherit the gardens be Real Men? The law decrees that they must be, or the wilderness will reclaim its own.” |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 29643034 United States12/21/2012 09:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30562031 Yawn grasping at straws at the fact that I out debater all of you by presenting clear and logical facts. At the end of the day America is not my country and I do not make the final choice this article shits on you though... [link to dailycaller.com] and you have present zero facts or statistics only opinion haha dont you know the difference? I gave you quotes from Thomas Jefferson I gave you the decision of his contemporaries on the original second amendment I recommend you speak to historians I told you Museums you can go to check The second amendment is what it is, no 200 year old book will change the meaning of it. You know what it states today therefore arguing over a few words is meaningless. However what is meaningful is statistics TODAY which apply to gun control which CLEARLY indicate that gun-control doesn't work. I suggest you read that article i put up, i know you have trouble comprehending logic it lays it out pretty simple however.. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 27972246 United States12/21/2012 09:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | America keeps all oh its documents in Holland. That is why Germany invaded Holland. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27997099 And then the Dali Lama of the day took those documents from Berlin and transported them to the Tibetan Mountains. Then the Chinese took them from Tibet and moved them to the old former Chinese Emperor's Palace for safe keeping. And then the Chinese produced forged copies with edits in them of these same American documents, and sold the forgeries to the Govenment of Holland the the Man from Barmuda (aka 007, British Agent, Have Gun will travel, Liscensed to Kill by Her Majesty) read than and posted a very small snippet of that Chinese forged document on this thread. And then.. And then... And then.... Well, carry on the fiction... we are all waiting. |
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| Manu-Koelbren User ID: 1312616 Spain12/21/2012 09:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | America keeps all oh its documents in Holland. That is why Germany invaded Holland. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27997099 And then the Dali Lama of the day took those documents from Berlin and transported them to the Tibetan Mountains. Then the Chinese took them from Tibet and moved them to the old former Chinese Emperor's Palace for safe keeping. And then the Chinese produced forged copies with edits in them of these same American documents, and sold the forgeries to the Govenment of Holland the the Man from Barmuda (aka 007, British Agent, Have Gun will travel, Liscensed to Kill by Her Majesty) read than and posted a very small snippet of that Chinese forged document on this thread. And then.. And then... And then.... Well, carry on the fiction... we are all waiting.  So many fucking morons fabricating stuff I tell ya. Banned as usual. “It is far easier to be a weakling than to be a Real Man. Were the Earth less harsh or the circumstances of life less austere, man would destroy himself before the shrine of the languid goddess. Only Real Men can with safety destroy the tangled forests and wilderness of Earth and make from them gardens, but will those who inherit the gardens be Real Men? The law decrees that they must be, or the wilderness will reclaim its own.” |
| WAKEUPAMERICA01 User ID: 30489425 United States12/21/2012 09:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks. Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 19, 1785 I think we have more machinery of government than is necessary, too many parasites living on the labor of the industrious. Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Ludlow, September 6, 1824 If our country, when pressed with wrongs at the point of the bayonet, had been governed by its heads instead of its hearts, where should we have been now? Hanging on a gallows as high as Haman's. Thomas Jefferson, letter to Maria Cosway, 1786 WAKE UP AMERICA WAKE UP AMERICA "I love the man that can smile in trouble, that can gather strength from distress, and grow brave by reflection. 'Tis the business of little minds to shrink; but he whose heart is firm, and whose conscience approves his conduct, will pursue his principles unto death." Thomas Paine, The American Crisis, No. 1, December 19, 1776 "Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom, must, like men, undergo the fatigues of supporting it." Thomas Paine, The American Crisis, No. 4, September 11, 1777 "I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a monied aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power (of money) should be taken away from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs." -- Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President. "A majority of the people of the United States have lived all of their lives under emergency rule. For 40 years, [79 years now in 2012] freedoms and governmental procedures guaranteed by the Constitution have in varying degrees been abridged by laws brought into force by statutes of national emergency." |
| Manu-Koelbren User ID: 1312616 Spain12/21/2012 09:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | After a very critical and emotional charged debate I am considering if guns are really so bad as the American media portrays them after all . I am doubting, I don't no Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30562031  Banned as usual. “It is far easier to be a weakling than to be a Real Man. Were the Earth less harsh or the circumstances of life less austere, man would destroy himself before the shrine of the languid goddess. Only Real Men can with safety destroy the tangled forests and wilderness of Earth and make from them gardens, but will those who inherit the gardens be Real Men? The law decrees that they must be, or the wilderness will reclaim its own.” |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 27997099 United Kingdom12/21/2012 09:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Really shows the measure of a man getting emotional in a debate of ideas Not emotional,just pure hatred of liars that push a agenda to destroy freedom. I love freedom and if America wants guns they can keep it Thank you for your permission. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 29643034 United States12/21/2012 09:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | and you have present zero facts or statistics only opinion haha dont you know the difference? I gave you quotes from Thomas Jefferson I gave you the decision of his contemporaries on the original second amendment I recommend you speak to historians I told you Museums you can go to check The second amendment is what it is, no 200 year old book will change the meaning of it. You know what it states today therefore arguing over a few words is meaningless. However what is meaningful is statistics TODAY which apply to gun control which CLEARLY indicate that gun-control doesn't work. I suggest you read that article i put up, i know you have trouble comprehending logic it lays it out pretty simple however.. you gave one quote of jefferson which was out of context. Here is another quote from him. "The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that... it is their right and duty to be at all times armed." --Thomas Jefferson to John Cartwright, 1824. now explain how he could say that but believe people have no right to have guns? and dont ignore this i know you probaly will since it proves you wrong and contradicts one of your so called "facts" |
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| Echelon User ID: 25215875 United States12/21/2012 09:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They will probably start with confiscation, and then roll it back to registering guns as a compromise. Either way, they get what they want. It's disgusting. It doesn't look good for America right now. [link to www.opednews.com] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30562031 Bahamas12/21/2012 09:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 29643034 United States12/21/2012 09:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have an honest question for gun advocates Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30562031 Won't armed police in school make America feel like a Police state you gave one quote of jefferson which was out of context. Here is another quote from him. "The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that... it is their right and duty to be at all times armed." --Thomas Jefferson to John Cartwright, 1824. now explain how he could say that but believe people have no right to have guns? and dont ignore this i know you probaly will since it proves you wrong and contradicts one of your so called "facts" I Noticed you have a tendency to ignore valid points which are hard to argue against, now please explain this if you are so sure you are right |
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| WAKEUPAMERICA01 User ID: 30489425 United States12/21/2012 09:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Pros of Guns. 1. to protect yourself your family and neighbors 2. to protect above from a tyrannical gov. 3. See second amendment 4. A gov. big enough to give you everthing you want is big enough to take everything you have 5. See above. WAKE UP AMERICA WAKE UP AMERICA "I love the man that can smile in trouble, that can gather strength from distress, and grow brave by reflection. 'Tis the business of little minds to shrink; but he whose heart is firm, and whose conscience approves his conduct, will pursue his principles unto death." Thomas Paine, The American Crisis, No. 1, December 19, 1776 "Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom, must, like men, undergo the fatigues of supporting it." Thomas Paine, The American Crisis, No. 4, September 11, 1777 "I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a monied aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power (of money) should be taken away from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs." -- Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President. "A majority of the people of the United States have lived all of their lives under emergency rule. For 40 years, [79 years now in 2012] freedoms and governmental procedures guaranteed by the Constitution have in varying degrees been abridged by laws brought into force by statutes of national emergency." |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 4420825 United States12/21/2012 09:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In all seriousness how many people would actually kill to keep their guns if the time came or just hand them over? Quoting: Tanos Think outside of what YOU would do, what America as a whole would do. They don't have the manpower. ...or a big enough blood bank. Everyone I know in my area would make it painful and even hunt down the confiscators. Turn in centers would be sniped or bombed. There are people arming up for it now. They will not confiscate. They know it will be bloody. It has to be voluntary. They will try to trick us. They will fail. RCG - registration confiscation genocide - don't argue about it, it only makes you look like a fool to history. Wake The Flock Up before the slaughter. |
