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what happeed to the men of the younger generation in the USA?

 
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what happeed to the men of the younger generation in the USA?
It seems like the economy has affected the younger generations more than anyone.
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right, and women are quick to judge men as "inferior".

I think there is a lot of lonely men. While the "alphas" with lots of money or inheritance are enjoying a free ride.
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I'm not much older than the young generation. I'm 35. I see a bunch of kids who are remarkably different than we were at their age, at least in certain ways.

Even by 23 or 24 years old they have no skills.The young men are pathetically incompetent with tools. Until recently I owned a small construction business and I'd hire these kids. Almost none of them could read a tape measure. If their truck had a water pump go out or something I'd have to pick them up for weeks until they could have it fixed. They were clueless about how to take care of such little things themselves.

I'd catch them playing on their phones when there was work to be done. They walked around on my job site like they didn't have shit to do, sticking their fingers in their ears and up their noses.

I finally quite hiring anybody under 30 years old. A broken down elderly man was more useful than these strong young man. At least they had enough sense to not step on a nail (and bend nails over in scrap lumber so they wouldn't step on them later).

The kids today are different. When I turned 16 I was given a $500 1981 camaro and a very nice and large tool set (my father was a proud tradesman and put a lot of stock in being able to work on things). By the time I was 20 I was assembling $5,000 high performance engines, stripping heads, working on trannies, etc. By 25 I had my own construction business (tiny little business).

If you can't read a tape measure or change a water pump on a chevy you are not a man as far as I'm concerned (whether you choose to change a pump is a little different). Go buy some panties and tampons and watch some Dr. Phil.
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I'm not much older than the young generation. I'm 35. I see a bunch of kids who are remarkably different than we were at their age, at least in certain ways.

Even by 23 or 24 years old they have no skills.The young men are pathetically incompetent with tools. Until recently I owned a small construction business and I'd hire these kids. Almost none of them could read a tape measure. If their truck had a water pump go out or something I'd have to pick them up for weeks until they could have it fixed. They were clueless about how to take care of such little things themselves.

I'd catch them playing on their phones when there was work to be done. They walked around on my job site like they didn't have shit to do, sticking their fingers in their ears and up their noses.

I finally quite hiring anybody under 30 years old. A broken down elderly man was more useful than these strong young man. At least they had enough sense to not step on a nail (and bend nails over in scrap lumber so they wouldn't step on them later).

The kids today are different. When I turned 16 I was given a $500 1981 camaro and a very nice and large tool set (my father was a proud tradesman and put a lot of stock in being able to work on things). By the time I was 20 I was assembling $5,000 high performance engines, stripping heads, working on trannies, etc. By 25 I had my own construction business (tiny little business).

If you can't read a tape measure or change a water pump on a chevy you are not a man as far as I'm concerned (whether you choose to change a pump is a little different). Go buy some panties and tampons and watch some Dr. Phil.
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You know not everyone is lucky to grow up with a father who teach them those things. I grew up in a single family home and no one taught me anything as far as "manly stuff" goes. I learned what I could on my own. Maybe you could train the kids you hire instead of criticizing them. Who knows how their upbringing was like.
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Young men do not step up to the the plate. Many of them ,especially non-white men, live in a fantasy land where they think they will become rich and famous a d behave like thugs. they are the most pathetic types.

White men on the other hand have many problems as well. The reality is that most young white men eventually grow up, marry, have children and learn to love and respect people. However many younger men think in terms of money and materialism. To them everything is a burden when in fact they are the burden. A family, a home, a wife or girlfriend. Those things of life. All are nothing but burdens and they need to party. It is pathetic.

The best things in life are family, A wife and kids. A home. Love.
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I'm not much older than the young generation. I'm 35. I see a bunch of kids who are remarkably different than we were at their age, at least in certain ways.

Even by 23 or 24 years old they have no skills.The young men are pathetically incompetent with tools. Until recently I owned a small construction business and I'd hire these kids. Almost none of them could read a tape measure. If their truck had a water pump go out or something I'd have to pick them up for weeks until they could have it fixed. They were clueless about how to take care of such little things themselves.

I'd catch them playing on their phones when there was work to be done. They walked around on my job site like they didn't have shit to do, sticking their fingers in their ears and up their noses.

I finally quite hiring anybody under 30 years old. A broken down elderly man was more useful than these strong young man. At least they had enough sense to not step on a nail (and bend nails over in scrap lumber so they wouldn't step on them later).

The kids today are different. When I turned 16 I was given a $500 1981 camaro and a very nice and large tool set (my father was a proud tradesman and put a lot of stock in being able to work on things). By the time I was 20 I was assembling $5,000 high performance engines, stripping heads, working on trannies, etc. By 25 I had my own construction business (tiny little business).

If you can't read a tape measure or change a water pump on a chevy you are not a man as far as I'm concerned (whether you choose to change a pump is a little different). Go buy some panties and tampons and watch some Dr. Phil.
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You know not everyone is lucky to grow up with a father who teach them those things. I grew up in a single family home and no one taught me anything as far as "manly stuff" goes. I learned what I could on my own. Maybe you could train the kids you hire instead of criticizing them. Who knows how their upbringing was like.
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You'll find just about anywhere you go that those who want to learn and act like it are given opportunity. When you walk around with one hand in your pocket and the other scratching your ass when there is OSB to be carried you can hit the road though because it's my money on the line.
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I'm not much older than the young generation. I'm 35. I see a bunch of kids who are remarkably different than we were at their age, at least in certain ways.

Even by 23 or 24 years old they have no skills.The young men are pathetically incompetent with tools. Until recently I owned a small construction business and I'd hire these kids. Almost none of them could read a tape measure. If their truck had a water pump go out or something I'd have to pick them up for weeks until they could have it fixed. They were clueless about how to take care of such little things themselves.

I'd catch them playing on their phones when there was work to be done. They walked around on my job site like they didn't have shit to do, sticking their fingers in their ears and up their noses.

I finally quite hiring anybody under 30 years old. A broken down elderly man was more useful than these strong young man. At least they had enough sense to not step on a nail (and bend nails over in scrap lumber so they wouldn't step on them later).

The kids today are different. When I turned 16 I was given a $500 1981 camaro and a very nice and large tool set (my father was a proud tradesman and put a lot of stock in being able to work on things). By the time I was 20 I was assembling $5,000 high performance engines, stripping heads, working on trannies, etc. By 25 I had my own construction business (tiny little business).

If you can't read a tape measure or change a water pump on a chevy you are not a man as far as I'm concerned (whether you choose to change a pump is a little different). Go buy some panties and tampons and watch some Dr. Phil.
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I'm not much older than the young generation. I'm 35. I see a bunch of kids who are remarkably different than we were at their age, at least in certain ways.

Even by 23 or 24 years old they have no skills.The young men are pathetically incompetent with tools. Until recently I owned a small construction business and I'd hire these kids. Almost none of them could read a tape measure. If their truck had a water pump go out or something I'd have to pick them up for weeks until they could have it fixed. They were clueless about how to take care of such little things themselves.

I'd catch them playing on their phones when there was work to be done. They walked around on my job site like they didn't have shit to do, sticking their fingers in their ears and up their noses.

I finally quite hiring anybody under 30 years old. A broken down elderly man was more useful than these strong young man. At least they had enough sense to not step on a nail (and bend nails over in scrap lumber so they wouldn't step on them later).

The kids today are different. When I turned 16 I was given a $500 1981 camaro and a very nice and large tool set (my father was a proud tradesman and put a lot of stock in being able to work on things). By the time I was 20 I was assembling $5,000 high performance engines, stripping heads, working on trannies, etc. By 25 I had my own construction business (tiny little business).

If you can't read a tape measure or change a water pump on a chevy you are not a man as far as I'm concerned (whether you choose to change a pump is a little different). Go buy some panties and tampons and watch some Dr. Phil.
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You know not everyone is lucky to grow up with a father who teach them those things. I grew up in a single family home and no one taught me anything as far as "manly stuff" goes. I learned what I could on my own. Maybe you could train the kids you hire instead of criticizing them. Who knows how their upbringing was like.
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I have to agree with the first poster. I grew up without a dad and I didn't end up that way. I am in my 40's and can outrun any 20-something mechanic they bring into the shop. While you might be able to teach them something, there are very few that have the desire.
The generation behind us has no work ethic at all. You can't teach that, and with no desire to learn, there is little hope.
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I'm not much older than the young generation. I'm 35. I see a bunch of kids who are remarkably different than we were at their age, at least in certain ways.

Even by 23 or 24 years old they have no skills.The young men are pathetically incompetent with tools. Until recently I owned a small construction business and I'd hire these kids. Almost none of them could read a tape measure. If their truck had a water pump go out or something I'd have to pick them up for weeks until they could have it fixed. They were clueless about how to take care of such little things themselves.

I'd catch them playing on their phones when there was work to be done. They walked around on my job site like they didn't have shit to do, sticking their fingers in their ears and up their noses.

I finally quite hiring anybody under 30 years old. A broken down elderly man was more useful than these strong young man. At least they had enough sense to not step on a nail (and bend nails over in scrap lumber so they wouldn't step on them later).

The kids today are different. When I turned 16 I was given a $500 1981 camaro and a very nice and large tool set (my father was a proud tradesman and put a lot of stock in being able to work on things). By the time I was 20 I was assembling $5,000 high performance engines, stripping heads, working on trannies, etc. By 25 I had my own construction business (tiny little business).

If you can't read a tape measure or change a water pump on a chevy you are not a man as far as I'm concerned (whether you choose to change a pump is a little different). Go buy some panties and tampons and watch some Dr. Phil.
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You know not everyone is lucky to grow up with a father who teach them those things. I grew up in a single family home and no one taught me anything as far as "manly stuff" goes. I learned what I could on my own. Maybe you could train the kids you hire instead of criticizing them. Who knows how their upbringing was like.
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agreed
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Young men do not step up to the the plate. Many of them ,especially non-white men, live in a fantasy land where they think they will become rich and famous a d behave like thugs. they are the most pathetic types.

White men on the other hand have many problems as well. The reality is that most young white men eventually grow up, marry, have children and learn to love and respect people. However many younger men think in terms of money and materialism. To them everything is a burden when in fact they are the burden. A family, a home, a wife or girlfriend. Those things of life. All are nothing but burdens and they need to party. It is pathetic.

The best things in life are family, A wife and kids. A home. Love.
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Well said!!!

A boy doesn't grow up until he has a family to love.

And whatever your job is you should take pride in it. People notice. You get respect from honesty, hard work, and loving and caring for your family.
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Young men do not step up to the the plate. Many of them ,especially non-white men, live in a fantasy land where they think they will become rich and famous a d behave like thugs. they are the most pathetic types.

White men on the other hand have many problems as well. The reality is that most young white men eventually grow up, marry, have children and learn to love and respect people. However many younger men think in terms of money and materialism. To them everything is a burden when in fact they are the burden. A family, a home, a wife or girlfriend. Those things of life. All are nothing but burdens and they need to party. It is pathetic.

The best things in life are family, A wife and kids. A home. Love.
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Very well put ! I work with 2 guys, both early 20's that refer to the mother of their child as their "baby mama". Neither of them have any intention of marriage, and rarely contact their kids or their former partner.
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You mean how faggy they are?


Embarrassing.


I feel sorry for the young chicks today... nothing to choose from but soy'd up fags, if you're going with your own age bracket at least.


That's why nothing but older men touch these supple lips.
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There are no men born today. Aphrodites at most. Just leaves more for us guys. rockon
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You mean how faggy they are?


Embarrassing.


I feel sorry for the young chicks today... nothing to choose from but soy'd up fags, if you're going with your own age bracket at least.


That's why nothing but older men touch these supple lips.
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I wish you were an Aussie..

DAMN.

44 and single..by choice...for much the same reason.
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the problem is not just cultural but also socioeconomic.

Men these days just do not grow up the same way past generations have. THey have no incentive to do what is considered "manly" but also women too have toughened up to a degree that affects men as well. If men have "too much pride" it's often too because they feel not worthy, unvaluable to women that they have to "fake".

Regardless of what women think about men these days it's still no excuse to leave them alone.
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You mean how faggy they are?


Embarrassing.


I feel sorry for the young chicks today... nothing to choose from but soy'd up fags, if you're going with your own age bracket at least.


That's why nothing but older men touch these supple lips.
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yuea it's attitudes like these actually that keeps things the way they are.

If men are left alone they don't want to change.

Don't you think men having "too much pride" stems from the fact that women have such high standards that men feel they need to "fake confidence" become gangsters, and be violent simply to attract chicks?
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While I have little use for most youth there are still some good ones. They get rewarded for their ethics and good attitude, too.

I have a nephew that is about 24. He bounced around for a few years and ended up at a commercial electrician company. He wanted to learn and I'm sure it was obvious to his boss. A week after hiring on with no experience (an unskilled manual laborer) he showed up with a used tool box and a thousand dollars worth of brand new tools (he borrowed the money from his dad). The boy asked questions and since I know him I can say that when he went to fetch something he probably did so with a hop in his step.

What do you think his boss must have thought about that?

He's been there about a year and his boss likes him so much that he sold him a very nice and not very old 3/4 ton Ford complete with electrical worker box on the back. The guy practically gave the truck away to him, and partly on credit.

Eager, hard workers are assets and are cultivated and helped out.

Rif raf are another story. They think they deserve a raise just because they drag their ass to work. They get an attitude when you tell them to do something. It's always the same with them. It'll be something like "I don't see his ass down here doing this shit work."

No, you don't. I've graduated from that. It's your job now buddy. Of course circumstance may be that some day I get the low wage shit job. You know what. I'll attack it with ferocity and by the end of the first week the boss will know me as a good worker.
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I think, the men of this generation are too afraid to do some things. Women everywhere hate the average man of the USA. Since they were young they saw, that love was hard. Life was tough, women don't want the nice, smart guys. Plus many of them just grow up in poverty. They get beat up and belittled by women and their "superior alpha males".

But you know what too? It's not like men can get a degree anymore and expect to get somewhere with it. No..

Now you have masses of men who are basically "useless", and women don't care to support them through the THICK AND THIN. So the natural reaction is to just destroy themselves. And that's what's happening now.
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You dont think also drugs, and fucked up media has to do with this?

Also the fact that we are hiding alternative technologies, and education in this country is fucked up?

Oh but NO just call men WEAK AND WIMPS and expect them to pull through in crippling shame and lonliness.
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Would you ask a person who grew up in the city to know how to farm?
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Point is, everyone grows up differently.

So what, people grow up differently learn different things.

You can't judge an office worker because he has no skills in doing some other "manly" kind of stuff whatever you want to say it is.
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It's hard today for both young men and women. I don't blame men for anything.
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Point is, everyone grows up differently.

So what, people grow up differently learn different things.

You can't judge an office worker because he has no skills in doing some other "manly" kind of stuff whatever you want to say it is.
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That is true. The average kid isn't going to be an office worker, though. The underprivileged especially is likely to end up in a manual labor job (often with potential for better, but only for those with a good attitude).

If I were an office manager I'd be interested in other skills and the exact same work ethic.
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My take on this whole thing also has a lot to do with the old "everyone gets a trophy for participating" BS that started here in the past 2 decades. There is no competition bred into people because everyone is a winner if they just "show up". That, and little Johnny having to wear a helmet and knee pads cause riding a bike is just so darn dangerous...he might hurt his wittle knees.


Kids are put in a bubble and taught that it's a dangerous world that shouldn't be explored, mommy cleans their rooms/laundry/meals until they are in their 20s and we wonder wth is going on
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I'm not much older than the young generation. I'm 35. I see a bunch of kids who are remarkably different than we were at their age, at least in certain ways.

Even by 23 or 24 years old they have no skills.The young men are pathetically incompetent with tools. Until recently I owned a small construction business and I'd hire these kids. Almost none of them could read a tape measure. If their truck had a water pump go out or something I'd have to pick them up for weeks until they could have it fixed. They were clueless about how to take care of such little things themselves.

I'd catch them playing on their phones when there was work to be done. They walked around on my job site like they didn't have shit to do, sticking their fingers in their ears and up their noses.

I finally quite hiring anybody under 30 years old. A broken down elderly man was more useful than these strong young man. At least they had enough sense to not step on a nail (and bend nails over in scrap lumber so they wouldn't step on them later).

The kids today are different. When I turned 16 I was given a $500 1981 camaro and a very nice and large tool set (my father was a proud tradesman and put a lot of stock in being able to work on things). By the time I was 20 I was assembling $5,000 high performance engines, stripping heads, working on trannies, etc. By 25 I had my own construction business (tiny little business).

If you can't read a tape measure or change a water pump on a chevy you are not a man as far as I'm concerned (whether you choose to change a pump is a little different). Go buy some panties and tampons and watch some Dr. Phil.
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I agree with you about the whole "using a phone all the time" bit, but come on: Judging someone's manliness based on their ability to use tools?

You "aren't a man if you can't change a water pump on a chevy"? So... what would you call men from times of EARLY civilization?

There were "real men" before guys with beer bellies and nothing between the ears defined the "real men requirements" of driving pickups, watching football, and working a blue-collar job.

Perhaps you should grow out of this mentality. If these kids don't know how to do common tasks and you do nothing to help, what does that do for the problem?

I can relate to your anger with this generation... in fact I'm a part of it. But there's way more wrong with "kids" these days than being able to simply use tools. For starters, most lack common sense (as you had touched upon), and none are capable of individual thought.

How about defining "real men" as ones that are capable of using their minds, not their hands?
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I'm not much older than the young generation. I'm 35. I see a bunch of kids who are remarkably different than we were at their age, at least in certain ways.

Even by 23 or 24 years old they have no skills.The young men are pathetically incompetent with tools. Until recently I owned a small construction business and I'd hire these kids. Almost none of them could read a tape measure. If their truck had a water pump go out or something I'd have to pick them up for weeks until they could have it fixed. They were clueless about how to take care of such little things themselves.

I'd catch them playing on their phones when there was work to be done. They walked around on my job site like they didn't have shit to do, sticking their fingers in their ears and up their noses.

I finally quite hiring anybody under 30 years old. A broken down elderly man was more useful than these strong young man. At least they had enough sense to not step on a nail (and bend nails over in scrap lumber so they wouldn't step on them later).

The kids today are different. When I turned 16 I was given a $500 1981 camaro and a very nice and large tool set (my father was a proud tradesman and put a lot of stock in being able to work on things). By the time I was 20 I was assembling $5,000 high performance engines, stripping heads, working on trannies, etc. By 25 I had my own construction business (tiny little business).

If you can't read a tape measure or change a water pump on a chevy you are not a man as far as I'm concerned (whether you choose to change a pump is a little different). Go buy some panties and tampons and watch some Dr. Phil.
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Hey, I agreed with you until I read the insult to women at the bottom. :( My mom taught me all about house work, cooking, gardening, sewing, etc. My dad taught me how to care for the farm animals, but he didn't want his girls around the machinery. I had to teach myself about engines and power tools once I got married and lived in the country with a husband who traveled most of the time. Somebody had to fix stuff and I wasn't about to spend big bucks on some plumber with an 85 IQ. Everyone needs to be able to take care of themselves and their own property - not just the men.
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You dont think also drugs, and fucked up media has to do with this?

Also the fact that we are hiding alternative technologies, and education in this country is fucked up?

Oh but NO just call men WEAK AND WIMPS and expect them to pull through in crippling shame and lonliness.
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Very great points. Many of my "friends" (and I use that term loosely) had no other skills than rolling a joint. I saw the rise of social media sites and phones kill the last sliver of intelligence my generation had.

Believe me, the media's a HUGE part of this.

And high school education is nothing but one big diploma mill that emphasizes knowledge rather than intelligence. The result is millions of kids graduating each year with the ability to recall equations, figurative language, and the periodic table, as opposed to being able to think critically and use their imaginations.

It is sad to see so many potentially great minds be put to waste.
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Oh come on! I didn't mean that literally. The point is that a man is supposed to take care of his business. If he doesn't have cash he'd better figure out how to do it himself.


And seriously, a chevy water pump is pretty easy to change. It's easier than jacking off. "My water pump went out. I need a ride to work," is not a suitable excuse for very long in the building trades. It involves eight bolts (just four bolts w/ electric fan) and $40.

I bake bread and am pretty proud about it. Pizza, bread sticks, white bread.
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op why are you asking yourself questions, from a different point of view?
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It's very simple:

Social conditioning is reversing the gender roles.

Al Bundy had the right idea with No Ma'am.

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