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WHERE IS JUDAH AND ISRAEL AND PROVE THIS HAPPENED TO ANY OTHER NATION

 
Neim-Ya'shar (OP)

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[link to afgen.com]

And Irish slaves were rejected in place of stronger fitter black slaves.
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I already showed you!
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show me where whites were sold on the auction block with chains on their necks as bondmen and bondwomen: "slaves" in ships

JKLTGG

1711. The Old Slave or Meal Market (Sometimes Called Wall Street Market)
Source: Abram Wakeman (1914)
.

History and reminiscences of lower Wall street and vicinity. New York: The Spice Mill publishing co., pp. 21-23.

There are but few more interesting locations in our city than those in the neighborhood of lower Wall street. Just above the present Nos. 87-89 was the old slave market. “On the 4th day of October, 1709, the inhabitants of the East Ward petitioned for liberty to erect a Market House at the south end of Clark’s Slip at the east end of Wall street.” And permission was granted them “to erect same at their own charge,provided it would be finished within two years from date.”
We find November 30th, 1711: “Later the Market House became a place of meeting for slaves during the period when their masters had no work for them. All negroes and Indian slaves that are let to hire within this city to take up their standing, in order to be hired, whereby all persons may know where to hire slaves as occasion shall require and all masters discover where their slaves are hired.”
otjjhh

November 16,1720, orders, “That the neighbors of Wall Street Market House have liberty to remove said Market House
higher up into said Wall street or repair it where it now stands at their own expense and charge.” Six years
after, “a law was ordained that the House is hereby appointed a public market place for sale of all sorts of
corn, grain and meal and that from and after the 25th day of March next, 1726, no corn, grain or meal to
be sold at any other public market under heavy penalty.


TTTYTY
DEUT CHP 28
43 The stranger that is within thee shall get up above thee very high; and thou shalt come down very low.

44 He shall lend to thee, and thou shalt not lend to him: he shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail.

WHO ARE THE BANKERS OF THE WORLD? FEDS YES! WHO ARE THE FEDS?

THE JEWISH EDOMITE POWERES[/b
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


lol is there something wrong with you or something? You sound like a parrot just repeating things. You didn't even read the link I provided. Do the facts hurt?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25262604

answer the question that pertains to the thread please!

show me where whites were sold on the auction block with chains on their necks as bondmen and bondwomen: "slaves" in ships


JKLTGG

1711. The Old Slave or Meal Market (Sometimes Called Wall Street Market)
Source: Abram Wakeman (1914)
.

History and reminiscences of lower Wall street and vicinity. New York: The Spice Mill publishing co., pp. 21-23.

There are but few more interesting locations in our city than those in the neighborhood of lower Wall street. Just above the present Nos. 87-89 was the old slave market. “On the 4th day of October, 1709, the inhabitants of the East Ward petitioned for liberty to erect a Market House at the south end of Clark’s Slip at the east end of Wall street.” And permission was granted them “to erect same at their own charge,provided it would be finished within two years from date.”
We find November 30th, 1711: “Later the Market House became a place of meeting for slaves during the period when their masters had no work for them. All negroes and Indian slaves that are let to hire within this city to take up their standing, in order to be hired, whereby all persons may know where to hire slaves as occasion shall require and all masters discover where their slaves are hired.”
otjjhh

November 16,1720, orders, “That the neighbors of Wall Street Market House have liberty to remove said Market House
higher up into said Wall street or repair it where it now stands at their own expense and charge.” Six years
after, “a law was ordained that the House is hereby appointed a public market place for sale of all sorts of
corn, grain and meal and that from and after the 25th day of March next, 1726, no corn, grain or meal to
be sold at any other public market under heavy penalty.


TTTYTY
DEUT CHP 28
43 The stranger that is within thee shall get up above thee very high; and thou shalt come down very low.

44 He shall lend to thee, and thou shalt not lend to him: he shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail.

WHO ARE THE BANKERS OF THE WORLD? FEDS YES! WHO ARE THE FEDS?

THE JEWISH EDOMITE POWERES[/b
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Egypt was and is a nation, you deceivers are just twisting it to suit your wicked agenda. America IS NOT EGYPT!!!

And you don't fulfill that Prophecy because everyone bought black slaves, none were rejected.

And the LORD shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you. Deuteronomy 28:68
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5759700


The OP conveniently ignores this. His whole premise is false.

bump
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25262604


Are you afraid to comment on this OP? What do you have to say for yourself?
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show me where whites were sold on the auction block with chains on their necks as bondmen and bondwomen: "slaves" in ships
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Look people, the OP is afraid to comment on the fact that his whole premise is wrong because his theory contradicts the word of God.

And the LORD shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you. Deuteronomy 28:68

LMAO!!!
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The OP conveniently ignores this. His whole premise is false.

bump
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Are you afraid to comment on this OP? What do you have to say for yourself?
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show me where whites were sold on the auction block with chains on their necks as bondmen and bondwomen: "slaves" in ships
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Look people, the OP is afraid to comment on the fact that his whole premise is wrong because his theory contradicts the word of God.

And the LORD shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you. Deuteronomy 28:68

LMAO!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25262604


show me where whites were sold on the auction block with chains on their necks as bondmen and bondwomen: "slaves" in ships

JKLTGG

1711. The Old Slave or Meal Market (Sometimes Called Wall Street Market)
Source: Abram Wakeman (1914)
.

History and reminiscences of lower Wall street and vicinity. New York: The Spice Mill publishing co., pp. 21-23.

There are but few more interesting locations in our city than those in the neighborhood of lower Wall street. Just above the present Nos. 87-89 was the old slave market. “On the 4th day of October, 1709, the inhabitants of the East Ward petitioned for liberty to erect a Market House at the south end of Clark’s Slip at the east end of Wall street.” And permission was granted them “to erect same at their own charge,provided it would be finished within two years from date.”
We find November 30th, 1711: “Later the Market House became a place of meeting for slaves during the period when their masters had no work for them. All negroes and Indian slaves that are let to hire within this city to take up their standing, in order to be hired, whereby all persons may know where to hire slaves as occasion shall require and all masters discover where their slaves are hired.”
otjjhh

November 16,1720, orders, “That the neighbors of Wall Street Market House have liberty to remove said Market House
higher up into said Wall street or repair it where it now stands at their own expense and charge.” Six years
after, “a law was ordained that the House is hereby appointed a public market place for sale of all sorts of
corn, grain and meal and that from and after the 25th day of March next, 1726, no corn, grain or meal to
be sold at any other public market under heavy penalty.


TTTYTY
DEUT CHP 28
43 The stranger that is within thee shall get up above thee very high; and thou shalt come down very low.

44 He shall lend to thee, and thou shalt not lend to him: he shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail.

WHO ARE THE BANKERS OF THE WORLD? FEDS YES! WHO ARE THE FEDS?

THE JEWISH EDOMITE POWERES[/b
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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And the LORD shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you. Deuteronomy 28:68

Also, notice it says "whereof I spake unto thee"

This proves it is talking about the nation of Egypt.
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And the LORD shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you. Deuteronomy 28:68

Also, notice it says "whereof I spake unto thee"

This proves it is talking about the nation of Egypt.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25262604


I ask you again are you all blind to the question?

show me where whites were sold on the auction block with chains on their necks as bondmen and bondwomen: "slaves" in ships

JKLTGG

1711. The Old Slave or Meal Market (Sometimes Called Wall Street Market)
Source: Abram Wakeman (1914)
.

History and reminiscences of lower Wall street and vicinity. New York: The Spice Mill publishing co., pp. 21-23.

There are but few more interesting locations in our city than those in the neighborhood of lower Wall street. Just above the present Nos. 87-89 was the old slave market. “On the 4th day of October, 1709, the inhabitants of the East Ward petitioned for liberty to erect a Market House at the south end of Clark’s Slip at the east end of Wall street.” And permission was granted them “to erect same at their own charge,provided it would be finished within two years from date.”
We find November 30th, 1711: “Later the Market House became a place of meeting for slaves during the period when their masters had no work for them. All negroes and Indian slaves that are let to hire within this city to take up their standing, in order to be hired, whereby all persons may know where to hire slaves as occasion shall require and all masters discover where their slaves are hired.”
otjjhh

November 16,1720, orders, “That the neighbors of Wall Street Market House have liberty to remove said Market House
higher up into said Wall street or repair it where it now stands at their own expense and charge.” Six years
after, “a law was ordained that the House is hereby appointed a public market place for sale of all sorts of
corn, grain and meal and that from and after the 25th day of March next, 1726, no corn, grain or meal to
be sold at any other public market under heavy penalty.


TTTYTY
DEUT CHP 28
43 The stranger that is within thee shall get up above thee very high; and thou shalt come down very low.

44 He shall lend to thee, and thou shalt not lend to him: he shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail.

WHO ARE THE BANKERS OF THE WORLD? FEDS YES! WHO ARE THE FEDS?

THE JEWISH EDOMITE POWERES[/b
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
:knoup:
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Who Brought the Slaves to America?



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And the LORD shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you. Deuteronomy 28:68

Also, notice it says "whereof I spake unto thee"

This proves it is talking about the nation of Egypt.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25262604


I ask you again are you all blind to the question?

show me where whites were sold on the auction block with chains on their necks as bondmen and bondwomen: "slaves" in ships

:JKLTGG:

1711. The Old Slave or Meal Market (Sometimes Called Wall Street Market)
Source: Abram Wakeman (1914)
.

History and reminiscences of lower Wall street and vicinity. New York: The Spice Mill publishing co., pp. 21-23.

There are but few more interesting locations in our city than those in the neighborhood of lower Wall street. Just above the present Nos. 87-89 was the old slave market. “On the 4th day of October, 1709, the inhabitants of the East Ward petitioned for liberty to erect a Market House at the south end of Clark’s Slip at the east end of Wall street.” And permission was granted them “to erect same at their own charge,provided it would be finished within two years from date.”
We find November 30th, 1711: “Later the Market House became a place of meeting for slaves during the period when their masters had no work for them. All negroes and Indian slaves that are let to hire within this city to take up their standing, in order to be hired, whereby all persons may know where to hire slaves as occasion shall require and all masters discover where their slaves are hired.”
:otjjhh:

November 16,1720, orders, “That the neighbors of Wall Street Market House have liberty to remove said Market House
higher up into said Wall street or repair it where it now stands at their own expense and charge.” Six years
after, “a law was ordained that the House is hereby appointed a public market place for sale of all sorts of
corn, grain and meal and that from and after the 25th day of March next, 1726, no corn, grain or meal to
be sold at any other public market under heavy penalty.


:TTTYTY:
DEUT CHP 28
43 The stranger that is within thee shall get up above thee very high; and thou shalt come down very low.

44 He shall lend to thee, and thou shalt not lend to him: he shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail.

WHO ARE THE BANKERS OF THE WORLD? FEDS YES! WHO ARE THE FEDS?

THE JEWISH EDOMITE POWERES[/b
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


lol the OP must be having a nervous breakdown.
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And the LORD shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you. Deuteronomy 28:68

Also, notice it says "whereof I spake unto thee"

This proves it is talking about the nation of Egypt.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25262604


I ask you again are you all blind to the question?

show me where whites were sold on the auction block with chains on their necks as bondmen and bondwomen: "slaves" in ships

JKLTGG

1711. The Old Slave or Meal Market (Sometimes Called Wall Street Market)
Source: Abram Wakeman (1914)
.

History and reminiscences of lower Wall street and vicinity. New York: The Spice Mill publishing co., pp. 21-23.

There are but few more interesting locations in our city than those in the neighborhood of lower Wall street. Just above the present Nos. 87-89 was the old slave market. “On the 4th day of October, 1709, the inhabitants of the East Ward petitioned for liberty to erect a Market House at the south end of Clark’s Slip at the east end of Wall street.” And permission was granted them “to erect same at their own charge,provided it would be finished within two years from date.”
We find November 30th, 1711: “Later the Market House became a place of meeting for slaves during the period when their masters had no work for them. All negroes and Indian slaves that are let to hire within this city to take up their standing, in order to be hired, whereby all persons may know where to hire slaves as occasion shall require and all masters discover where their slaves are hired.”
otjjhh

November 16,1720, orders, “That the neighbors of Wall Street Market House have liberty to remove said Market House
higher up into said Wall street or repair it where it now stands at their own expense and charge.” Six years
after, “a law was ordained that the House is hereby appointed a public market place for sale of all sorts of
corn, grain and meal and that from and after the 25th day of March next, 1726, no corn, grain or meal to
be sold at any other public market under heavy penalty.


TTTYTY
DEUT CHP 28
43 The stranger that is within thee shall get up above thee very high; and thou shalt come down very low.

44 He shall lend to thee, and thou shalt not lend to him: he shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail.

WHO ARE THE BANKERS OF THE WORLD? FEDS YES! WHO ARE THE FEDS?

THE JEWISH EDOMITE POWERES[/b
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


lol the OP must be having a nervous breakdown.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25262604


actually not "seventhgate" just having fun
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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And please prove how Egypt means bondage!
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3 And Moses said unto the people, Remember this day, in which ye came out from Egypt, out of the house of bondage
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Egypt was and is a nation, you deceivers are just twisting it to suit your wicked agenda. America IS NOT EGYPT!!!

And you don't fulfill that Prophecy because everyone bought black slaves, none were rejected.

And the LORD shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you. Deuteronomy 28:68
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5759700


The OP conveniently ignores this. His whole premise is false.

bump
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How can an item be SOLD if it is not bought. Besides the Israelites were known to buy each other out of slavery. But it didn't work this time. I'll look for that scripture to back up my claim.
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And please prove how Egypt means bondage!
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3 And Moses said unto the people, Remember this day, in which ye came out from Egypt, out of the house of bondage
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Egypt was and is a nation, you deceivers are just twisting it to suit your wicked agenda. America IS NOT EGYPT!!!

And you don't fulfill that Prophecy because everyone bought black slaves, none were rejected.

And the LORD shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you. Deuteronomy 28:68
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5759700


And one has to then ask the questions as to the difference between being a Bondmen or a Slave? Or a Bondwoman or a Slave? What is the difference, and is there a difference between the meaning of these words?

Because of the apparent contradiction set-up in the English version used here, I would be looking very closely at ever letter of every word of the Hebrew of that verse, to see if I can resolve said apparent contradiction found in the English.

One should look closely at the Hebrew where that this translaton has cast or rendered as "sold", to discover whether it might not mean, in the sense of "For Sale: bondmen and bondwomen".. rather than "Sold". Up for sale and no-one is buying... in that sense. I would look closely at the actual Hebrew there.
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Neim is still working at the humility thing, it's an ongoing project.
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And please prove how Egypt means bondage!
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3 And Moses said unto the people, Remember this day, in which ye came out from Egypt, out of the house of bondage
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Egypt was and is a nation, you deceivers are just twisting it to suit your wicked agenda. America IS NOT EGYPT!!!

And you don't fulfill that Prophecy because everyone bought black slaves, none were rejected.

And the LORD shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you. Deuteronomy 28:68
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5759700


And one has to then ask the questions as to the difference between being a Bondmen or a Slave? Or a Bondwoman or a Slave? What is the difference, and is there a difference between the meaning of these words?

Because of the apparent contradiction set-up in the English version used here, I would be looking very closely at ever letter of every word of the Hebrew of that verse, to see if I can resolve said apparent contradiction found in the English.

One should look closely at the Hebrew where that this translaton has cast or rendered as "sold", to discover whether it might not mean, in the sense of "For Sale: bondmen and bondwomen".. rather than "Sold". Up for sale and no-one is buying... in that sense. I would look closely at the actual Hebrew there.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27972246


JOEL CHP3
3 And they have cast lots for my people; and have given a boy for an harlot, and sold a girl for wine, that they might drink.

6 The children also of Judah and the children of Jerusalem have ye sold unto the Grecians, that ye might remove them far from their border.


DEUT CHP 28
And the LORD shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you.
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
:knoup:
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Another thing, the Bible only prophesied that the House of Israel would lose their identity, not Judah and the World has always know who Judah is.
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Now there is a lie for you lets see what Luke SAYS


24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled


IN THE DAYS OF EZRA THE SAME THING HAPPENED WITH ANTIOCHES

I CAN FIND THAT FOR YOOU TOO! THIS WAS JUDAH AGAIN BECAUS THEY WILL NOT LISTEN

64 And the LORD shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone
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Please? Please use complete Book Chapter and Verse form of citation. Please, such as Romans 10:9-10, that sort of citation. Be just a tad more gracious, please?
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Neim is still working at the humility thing, it's an ongoing project.
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ESAU is FIGHTING for his LIES
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Oh you like to ignore that part, don't ya?
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Indentured slaves aren't 'bought'...they work for 'room and board'!
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You are pitiful and a dishonest swine. You're guilt be upon your own head!
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Matthew 18:7: For offenses must come, but woe to that man by whom the offense comes!

If the Jewish people were to be cursed, it was God’s business, not the Church’s business!
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And many Jews, especially those in the USA know and admit that they are under the curse, and that it is God's doing and not The Church's doing, nor The Gentiles' doing. Perhaps it would be well for Christians in the Church to mind the words of Jesus pertaining to those that persecute you, to bless such, and not curse them. Jesus instructed His followers to even NOT rile against Satan.
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Deut 28 blessings and curses are showing America. We have received everyone of those blessings, but now we have kicked God out of the country and will receive all those curses very soon.

When Israel split into 2 kingdoms(northern kingdom and southern kingdom) after solomons reign, something happened that caused the northern kingdom to be taken into captivity. The northern kingdom was confederate with the southern kingdoms enemy, and tried to attack the southern kingdom(judah and benjamin)

Today we have the same scenerio. The united states is the lost 10 tribes or the northern kingdom of days gone by and Israel is the southern kingdom(Judah and benjamin).

When the united states stages a false flag attack on america(probably the destruction of the statue of liberty) and blames it on Israel, the united states will be confederate with palestine and attack Israel and then God will bring judgement on the united states and all those curses of Deut 28 will happen to the united states.
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This is the only part of that post here that has any Biblical foundation:

"When Israel split into 2 kingdoms(northern kingdom and southern kingdom) after solomons reign, something happened that caused the northern kingdom to be taken into captivity. The northern kingdom was confederate with the southern kingdoms enemy, and tried to attack the southern kingdom(judah and benjamin)"

The rest of what you have written is a derivation of a derivation of a derivation of interpretations that may or may not have any underlying foundations what so ever.

What it appears you are setting forth is known as the Doctrine of British/Israelism, which was a denomination and creed and even sect that maintained that we could come to discover from within the Bible and with "historical events and records" where the so called Lost Ten Tribes of Israel "wandered off to". It is a theory of interpretation, and its conclusions are based like any other Theology upon the precepts and principles of possible interpretations of the Scriptures. The foundations of this doctrine had its origins in certain people within England during the 1850s.. the interpretation is but a Theory. The Proof of it remains to be fully examined in every jot and tittle, just like every other theory of interpretation of the Bible's text.

Mort properly your post reflects a fewer derivation that is saying that instead of just the USA being of the Tribe of Massessah, and the Brits being of the Tribe of Ephraim, you have extended that theory to make it so that all of the Lost Tribes of Israel have (or at least several couples of each Tribe of Israel) have found their way into the lands of the United States, either thousands of year ago, or as recently as even this very year.

It is an interesting Theory ... one that like any other theory has to be tested by many methods of testing in order to turn it into a Hypothesis that can be falsified, not will, but can be, in that there are tests that can be used to assay its validity or its rejection as a Hypothesis.

It is a theory that can be taken by Blind Faith, it is also a theory that can be rejected by Blind Faith. There is no scientic nor historical absolute proof outside of a New Revelation of God pertaining to who is or is not 'of' any given suggested People or genetic line.

(1Ti 1:4 KJV) Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.

A genealogy is but an alleged genetic tree.. alleged because it has to be scientifically tested by the full use of all 16,000 base-pairs mtDNA and all 3 Billion base-pairs of nuDNA, in comparison with two founding people, a male and his female, in the begetting and conception. Otherwise, it remains, an alleged genealogy. Not even the so called Genetic Markers are the total equation because one has to know the exact DNA base-pairs of both founding 'parents' even to use known DNA Genetic Markers.

There is a reason that the Parable of the Wheat and the Tares is used the way it is in the Gospels. It is shown in that that only the Angels of God in Heaven are given the task of separation the Wheat from the Tares (i.e., the genetic lines) at the harvest. Man is not tasked with that, nor even granted that knowledge. Man should not attempt to do that which God allows only for the Angels of Heaven.

So quit the pretensions, "I am of this line", "you are of that line", "they of another line" when it comes to the identifications of the Peoples mentioned in the Bible.

Get your head out of the 19th Centuries Theologies of Racism.
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If Ephraim is the United States as some think
Could these verses mean the united states is confederate with the palestinians and attack Israel(Judah) before
Israel is 65 years old which Israel will be 65 May 11 2013.

It says Ephraim will be destroyed and both her kings will be killed(pres, vice pres?) being they tried to Attack Israel God's chosen people

When this happened in the times of the prophets God brought the Assyrians against Ephriam and took them away captive
If it is to happen this time possibly the Gog magog war will be China and Russia coming against the united states for attempting to destroy God chosen people Israel.

Possibly we make a false flag to find a reason to attack Israel

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As I was referring in my post about the doctrines set for by British/Israelism, in that doctrine it holds that the UK or more properly the British are of the tribe of Ephraim and the USA is of the tribe of Massasseh. Though I am away there are several other doctrines that alleged the indentities to be other Tribes of Israel, or even the whole of the Tribes of Israel. One studying the doctrines of Manifest Destiny, well some some variances for instance with the British/Israelism approach.

I, myself hold to none of these doctrines. God know Who is Who, mankind lost that connection a long time back, for Mankind now it is untraceable for many many reasons some of which I have given consideration in earlier posts on this thread.
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3 And Moses said unto the people, Remember this day, in which ye came out from Egypt, out of the house of bondage
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Egypt was and is a nation, you deceivers are just twisting it to suit your wicked agenda. America IS NOT EGYPT!!!

And you don't fulfill that Prophecy because everyone bought black slaves, none were rejected.

And the LORD shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you. Deuteronomy 28:68
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The OP conveniently ignores this. His whole premise is false.

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How can an item be SOLD if it is not bought. Besides the Israelites were known to buy each other out of slavery. But it didn't work this time. I'll look for that scripture to back up my claim.
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You see no one could answer or tell the truth!Some know the answer but they lie! The time is come that you don't argue with them no more but stay in the word and learn as much as you can ..

DO NOT HARBOR HATE AND JUDGEMENT ON NO ONE BUT PRAY THAT THOSE THE FATHER HAS HIS EYES ON BE CHANGED.

ESAU IS OUR BROTHER, AnD IN THE OLD DAYS JACOB NEVER ROSE UP AGAINST HIM THOUGH HE PERSUED HIM.
Love them speak truth and be at peace with all men. TEACH YOUR FAMILY THE LAWS AND COAMMNDS OF THE MOST HIGH AND STAY FOCUSED.

I love you brother/sister and peace be to to you

1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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There is 4 main players in the end times the 2 witnesses and the the anti-christ and false prophet. The 2 witnesses will have Elijah as one of them which is the fore-runner and the antichrist has the false prophet as his for-runner.

The anit-christ and false prophet will have 10 kings(10 kingdoms) with them they are trying to get the 2 tribes that make up Israel right now Judah and Benjamin and will allow the temple to be rebuilt to get them to join with them

The 2 witnesses will have the 10 lost tribes and will be trying to get the 2 tribes of Israel (Judah and benjamin) that make up Israel right now to join them so that all the tribes can be joined again as they were in the times of David

The 4 leaders, 2 good side, 2 bad side, are both trying to get Israel to join with the 10 kingdoms or tribes that they have. It is like a mission to see who can get the 12 together first.

Ezekiel 37 shows the good side wins.
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Leave the Lead actor out of the Play, Jesus Christ? He IS the Main Character. Did you forget about Him?
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Jesus isn't on earth til the end of the 7 year trib silly rabbit
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I perceive that your Stage is too narrow and does not include the heavens.
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Around the world all peoples have been dragged off from their lands on ships and taken to other lands in chains.

This includes whites who were stolen for the coastlines around Europe by Muslims.

Whites were also dragged onto ships and forced to come to the US and Australia as slaves.

The difference is most don't carry on crying like a baby about it over a hundred years later!
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There is 4 main players in the end times the 2 witnesses and the the anti-christ and false prophet. The 2 witnesses will have Elijah as one of them which is the fore-runner and the antichrist has the false prophet as his for-runner.

The anit-christ and false prophet will have 10 kings(10 kingdoms) with them they are trying to get the 2 tribes that make up Israel right now Judah and Benjamin and will allow the temple to be rebuilt to get them to join with them

The 2 witnesses will have the 10 lost tribes and will be trying to get the 2 tribes of Israel (Judah and benjamin) that make up Israel right now to join them so that all the tribes can be joined again as they were in the times of David

The 4 leaders, 2 good side, 2 bad side, are both trying to get Israel to join with the 10 kingdoms or tribes that they have. It is like a mission to see who can get the 12 together first.

Ezekiel 37 shows the good side wins.
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Leave the Lead actor out of the Play, Jesus Christ? He IS the Main Character. Did you forget about Him?
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Jesus isn't on earth til the end of the 7 year trib silly rabbit


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I perceive that your Stage is too narrow and does not include the heavens.
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Jesus already prepared the stage 2000 years ago(made salvation possible). The mission of the 2 witnesses is to join the house of judah and benjamin to the house of Israel(lost 10 tribes) before Jesus returns as King of Kings and Lord of Lords
-Heed the warning or endure the mourning
-Favor ain't fair
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Also most of those verses related to the Hebrews of the bible.

Who no longer existed by the New Testament. They where well scattered throughout the nations by then.



Hosea 8:8 Israel is swallowed up! Now they are among the nations like discarded pottery. (KJV) Israel is swallowed up: now shall they be among the Gentiles as a vessel in which is no pleasure.) (9) Like a wild donkey looking for a mate, they have gone up to Assyria. The people of Israel have sold themselves--sold themselves to many lovers.

Zechariah 10:9 And I will sow them among the people: and they shall remember me in far countries; and they shall live with their children, and turn again.

Psalms 44:11
You gave us up (Israelites) to be devoured like sheep and have scattered us among the nations.

Lamentations 4:16 The Lord himself has scattered them; he no longer watches over them. The priests are shown no honour, the elders no favour.
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:The Hebrews"? Why not use the term which is closer in, The Abramhamits? Or even the Issacc-its? Many many family lines of The Hebrews were never in the line of Abraham for that matter. Their record of their Tree except for the line down to Abraham was never written or has been lost to time.

Of the four Books you cite, One of them is even before teh Assyrian Captivity. One is written at the time of the "United Kingdom of Israel", One pertains to the Babylonian Captivity, and Hosea likewise.

These 'appear' to have nothing to pertain to the 70 A.D. scattering of those then called, "The Jews".

This all just for come clarification.
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Leave the Lead actor out of the Play, Jesus Christ? He IS the Main Character. Did you forget about Him?
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Jesus isn't on earth til the end of the 7 year trib silly rabbit


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I perceive that your Stage is too narrow and does not include the heavens.
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Jesus already prepared the stage 2000 years ago(made salvation possible). The mission of the 2 witnesses is to join the house of judah and benjamin to the house of Israel(lost 10 tribes) before Jesus returns as King of Kings and Lord of Lords
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dude what is your obsession? go take a little rest and relax.You will fix it tomorrow.

You my brother though and take it easy
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Jesus isn't on earth til the end of the 7 year trib silly rabbit


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I perceive that your Stage is too narrow and does not include the heavens.
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Jesus already prepared the stage 2000 years ago(made salvation possible). The mission of the 2 witnesses is to join the house of judah and benjamin to the house of Israel(lost 10 tribes) before Jesus returns as King of Kings and Lord of Lords
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dude what is your obsession? go take a little rest and relax.You will fix it tomorrow.

You my brother though and take it easy
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I was under the impression this was a discussion thread and not just a lecture thread
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-Favor ain't fair
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I perceive that your Stage is too narrow and does not include the heavens.
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Jesus already prepared the stage 2000 years ago(made salvation possible). The mission of the 2 witnesses is to join the house of judah and benjamin to the house of Israel(lost 10 tribes) before Jesus returns as King of Kings and Lord of Lords
 Quoting: waterman

dude what is your obsession? go take a little rest and relax.You will fix it tomorrow.

You my brother though and take it easy
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I was under the impression this was a discussion thread and not just a lecture thread
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impressions misinterpreted leads to strife I called you brother. Relax some you have not arrived yet!
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Jesus already prepared the stage 2000 years ago(made salvation possible). The mission of the 2 witnesses is to join the house of judah and benjamin to the house of Israel(lost 10 tribes) before Jesus returns as King of Kings and Lord of Lords
 Quoting: waterman

dude what is your obsession? go take a little rest and relax.You will fix it tomorrow.

You my brother though and take it easy
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


I was under the impression this was a discussion thread and not just a lecture thread
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impressions misinterpreted leads to strife I called you brother. Relax some you have not arrived yet!
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I don't think any of us "arrive" until we go through the furnace of affliction that is coming, which is deut 28 curses fulfilled and is a 42 month furnace of affliction prior to the 7 year tribulation that nobody sees coming(destruction of the united states) and the people taken into slavery
-Heed the warning or endure the mourning
-Favor ain't fair
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dude what is your obsession? go take a little rest and relax.You will fix it tomorrow.

You my brother though and take it easy
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I was under the impression this was a discussion thread and not just a lecture thread
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impressions misinterpreted leads to strife I called you brother. Relax some you have not arrived yet!
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I don't think any of us "arrive" until we go through the furnace of affliction that is coming, which is deut 28 curses fulfilled and is a 42 month furnace of affliction prior to the 7 year tribulation that nobody sees coming(destruction of the united states) and the people taken into slavery
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I will like to setup a debate with you on december 25th about the two witnesses at 9:00am
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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I was under the impression this was a discussion thread and not just a lecture thread
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impressions misinterpreted leads to strife I called you brother. Relax some you have not arrived yet!
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


I don't think any of us "arrive" until we go through the furnace of affliction that is coming, which is deut 28 curses fulfilled and is a 42 month furnace of affliction prior to the 7 year tribulation that nobody sees coming(destruction of the united states) and the people taken into slavery
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I will like to setup a debate with you on december 25th about the two witnesses at 9:00am
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ok
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-Favor ain't fair
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impressions misinterpreted leads to strife I called you brother. Relax some you have not arrived yet!
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I don't think any of us "arrive" until we go through the furnace of affliction that is coming, which is deut 28 curses fulfilled and is a 42 month furnace of affliction prior to the 7 year tribulation that nobody sees coming(destruction of the united states) and the people taken into slavery
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I will like to setup a debate with you on december 25th about the two witnesses at 9:00am
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ok
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Ok I will email you with the conditions... no name calling becaue I notice you guys love to go that route
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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I don't think any of us "arrive" until we go through the furnace of affliction that is coming, which is deut 28 curses fulfilled and is a 42 month furnace of affliction prior to the 7 year tribulation that nobody sees coming(destruction of the united states) and the people taken into slavery
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I will like to setup a debate with you on december 25th about the two witnesses at 9:00am
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ok
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Ok I will email you with the conditions... no name calling becaue I notice you guys love to go that route
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&#$^@#%@!....ok I guess I can handle that!
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impressions misinterpreted leads to strife I called you brother. Relax some you have not arrived yet!
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I don't think any of us "arrive" until we go through the furnace of affliction that is coming, which is deut 28 curses fulfilled and is a 42 month furnace of affliction prior to the 7 year tribulation that nobody sees coming(destruction of the united states) and the people taken into slavery
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I will like to setup a debate with you on december 25th about the two witnesses at 9:00am
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ok
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start studying not an easy topic!

The topic subject: [u]"Who does the bible say are the two witnesses"

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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