WHERE IS JUDAH AND ISRAEL AND PROVE THIS HAPPENED TO ANY OTHER NATION

I spoke from the word of God you clown.

Or is that meant to be a question. Herp. lol

I was just wandering where natives came from, as I am one two.

I had experienced an Awakening last year, and went to some psychic fair, to get some answers.

The psychic told me my soul was old, and all. Well on my way out, I picked up a Edward Cayce report, in it said that my strongest male figure was that in the Canaan/Philistine era, where I was some religious figure.

With my Kundalini activated, and me reaching my Brow chakra(3rd eye) but not totally open yet. I am having vivid dreams, of being in some sort of an ancient Monastery.

Every one was wearing white robes. I remember this man in a white rob, riding in a chariot riding in water, and behind him were a bunch of people who were also wearing white robes, holding candle while walking in water. It truly was a site to see, like a script of a movie.

I don't consider myself as religious, but more spiritual. Since I know lots about spirituality and how it works, I'm having an urge to learn the religious side.

What I dislike about the region, is that God hates, in which he doesn't, or Jesus threatening people to worship him as their savior, or else go to hell. Jesus was a great Spiritual man, that would never say such things.

I just wonder why The Indigenous people are left out of the bible. If you ask me, I believe that we must be mentioned in the bible somewhere, or they are hiding some parts for their own gain.

The people who are in charge of the world we live in, are scared of people growing spiritually.

Hey, I just wrote what I don't believe, you are free to believe it...I judge not and respect your freedoms. I know my people and what we believe.

The reality is that the whole of the North American continent isn't mentioned in the Bible. I believe we have clues when the 'islands' are spoken of and the 'west'. They speak of the west and islands of their time, but when being mentioned in prophecy, I think they could point to the U.S. There are many peoples and countries who aren't mentioned, it doesn't mean this or that. God gives us the information we NEED to know and the players we need to watch.

All in all, I believe we came across the Bearing Strait and are descended from the Asians. I have no problem with that. It is the most logical progression of the path to the New World, imo. But, again, you can believe as you choose.

The African race is not the house of Israel or the house of Yahud

Manasseh and Ephraim blessing the Africans don't have this blessing. Manasseh is America and Ephraim is Great Britain. This fulfills Scripture. The Africans are so sad that they must still the race of another identity. Again the blacks are not the lost house of Yisrael. We can prove this by history.

There is no such thing as "the African Race".

Utter and complete bullshit.

I concur with the Asian thing but I'm thinking deeper. Like Humans evolved in Africa, before they started to migrate.

Why can't the 10 lost tribes represent the different races, of the world. Like Greeks, Scots, Asians, Indigenous people, etc

When Israelites unite, I believe all races unite, as well as religions. In spirituality we are all one, all connected, and I think that is what Gods plan is, for his children Of Israel to become as one nation.

Maybe it's my pipe dream, but my dream from my heart.

Show us as an european your history based on this that you are really ephraim and manessah!!!!Did you gat taken away as bondmen and bond women on ships with chins on your neck?


DEUT CHP:28
48 Therefore shalt thou serve thine enemies which the LORD shall send against thee, in hunger, and in thirst, and in nakedness, and in want of all things: and he shall put a yoke of iron upon thy neck, until he have destroyed thee.



Prove to me then that the europeans were taken on ships with chains on their necks to a land of bondage for a second time?

Did this happen to the chinese or the arabs or any other nations?



JOEL CHP3
3 And they have cast lots for my people; and have given a boy for an harlot, and sold a girl for wine, that they might drink.

6 The children also of Judah and the children of Jerusalem have ye sold unto the Grecians, that ye might remove them far from their border.


DEUT CHP 28
And the LORD shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you.

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ditto!

Oh pretty please show us this history that disproves blacks being Israel. I swear I will wait by this thread all day until you do.

you are right but history will teach you that the isrealites lived amongst the hammite nations anD intermarried... Zephania the propHet is hammite and called cushi in the bible

SIMEON AND BARNABAS WERE CALLED NIGER WHICH IS AFRICA! DO I PROVIDE THE PROOF FOR YOU?


ACTS CHAPTER 13

¶ There were at Antioche, in the congregation, prophets and doctors, as Barnabas and Simeonb called Nyger, And Lucius of Cerene, and Manahen Herod the tetrarkes nursefellow, and Saul. As they served God, and fasted, The holy ghost said: separate me Barnabas and Saul, for the work whereunto I have called them. Then fasted they and prayed, and put their hands on them, and let them go.


Where is Niger? AFRICA
Where is Cerene? [LIBYA AFRICA] THE HAMITES

Israel and judah were scattered in these surounding countries fleeing persecution for centuries by other rogue nations.They blended in, lived and dwelled intermarried and raised families in those nations where they were scattered

They went across the atlas mountians into the Hamite lands
namely West Africa





Zephaniah Chapter 1

Verse 1 of this chapter is unique. Zephaniah was a prophet who likely was of royal lineage. He was a “son of Cushi,” a name that translates as “Cushite” or “Ethopian,” suggesting that Israelites had married into this cushite familie.

His grandfather was “Gedaliah,” which meant “Eh'yeh has made great,” and Zephaniah’s great-grandfather is thought to be the same “Hezekiah” (Eh'Yeh strengthens), who had previously been king (1 Chronicles 29:1). Josiah was Judah’s king from 640-609 BC, the time of Zephaniah.s manipulation techniques to twist the truth

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I don't believe it is a pipe dream. I agree, as that is the 'great mystery', in that all gentiles have now the same opportunity and have been 'grafted in'. During the Millennium, all peoples will live in harmony under the reign of our King, Jesus Christ and all will kneel before Him, in one spirit, one faith. I think the clue is in how the world reacts to the Jews in general. God told us in detail the woes He would send upon them for their disobedience, as He spread them out into the world. By this standard, who would WANT to represent this lost tribe of peoples? I see a double standard in that the world hates them and yet some wish they were them. Very confusing. The gist is that the world hates that their own particular race, weren't the special people of God. But, the reality is that He had to pick a bloodline though which He would send His Son; it could have been any of them, but the birth could only come through one and it happened to be theirs. If it were another race they too would be envied, if this is what we shall call it or hated as is the majority of the feelings toward them.

It seems that in the big picture, God's children, Israel are hated just as His gentile children are/will be hated...I think it just boils down to the fact that, as we're told, the majority of the world will not acknowledge God, His Son, His Holy Spirit in any fashion. It has been written and so it has come to pass. If one believes in God's Holy Word, then it is all there in black and white. But, adhere to its warnings in 'testing the spirits' and on the look out for 'false prophets', even those who claim to be of God. It's easy to throw around some scripture to sound holy, but even Satan knows the scriptures, uses them and appears as an 'angel of light'.

1 Timothy 4:1
4 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.


Acts 20:29-32
29 I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. 30 Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them. 31 So be on your guard! Remember that for three years I never stopped warning each of you night and day with tears.


2 Peter 2:1-3
2 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.


Romans 16:17-18
17 I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them. 18 For such people are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the minds of naive people.


Matthew 7:15-20
15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

dUDE KEEP IT SIMPLE AND PROVIDE THE PROOF THAT THE THREAD ASKS OF YOU TO DO ..ALL THIS WALL OF SUNDAY SCHOOL VERSES IS IRRELEVANT TO THE THE QUESTION! Psssst stay focused!

This is the only part of that post here that has any Biblical foundation:

"When Israel split into 2 kingdoms(northern kingdom and southern kingdom) after solomons reign, something happened that caused the northern kingdom to be taken into captivity. The northern kingdom was confederate with the southern kingdoms enemy, and tried to attack the southern kingdom(judah and benjamin)"

The rest of what you have written is a derivation of a derivation of a derivation of interpretations that may or may not have any underlying foundations what so ever.

What it appears you are setting forth is known as the Doctrine of British/Israelism, which was a denomination and creed and even sect that maintained that we could come to discover from within the Bible and with "historical events and records" where the so called Lost Ten Tribes of Israel "wandered off to". It is a theory of interpretation, and its conclusions are based like any other Theology upon the precepts and principles of possible interpretations of the Scriptures. The foundations of this doctrine had its origins in certain people within England during the 1850s.. the interpretation is but a Theory. The Proof of it remains to be fully examined in every jot and tittle, just like every other theory of interpretation of the Bible's text.

Mort properly your post reflects a fewer derivation that is saying that instead of just the USA being of the Tribe of Massessah, and the Brits being of the Tribe of Ephraim, you have extended that theory to make it so that all of the Lost Tribes of Israel have (or at least several couples of each Tribe of Israel) have found their way into the lands of the United States, either thousands of year ago, or as recently as even this very year.

It is an interesting Theory ... one that like any other theory has to be tested by many methods of testing in order to turn it into a Hypothesis that can be falsified, not will, but can be, in that there are tests that can be used to assay its validity or its rejection as a Hypothesis.

It is a theory that can be taken by Blind Faith, it is also a theory that can be rejected by Blind Faith. There is no scientic nor historical absolute proof outside of a New Revelation of God pertaining to who is or is not 'of' any given suggested People or genetic line.

(1Ti 1:4 KJV) Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.

A genealogy is but an alleged genetic tree.. alleged because it has to be scientifically tested by the full use of all 16,000 base-pairs mtDNA and all 3 Billion base-pairs of nuDNA, in comparison with two founding people, a male and his female, in the begetting and conception. Otherwise, it remains, an alleged genealogy. Not even the so called Genetic Markers are the total equation because one has to know the exact DNA base-pairs of both founding 'parents' even to use known DNA Genetic Markers.

There is a reason that the Parable of the Wheat and the Tares is used the way it is in the Gospels. It is shown in that that only the Angels of God in Heaven are given the task of separation the Wheat from the Tares (i.e., the genetic lines) at the harvest. Man is not tasked with that, nor even granted that knowledge. Man should not attempt to do that which God allows only for the Angels of Heaven.

So quit the pretensions, "I am of this line", "you are of that line", "they of another line" when it comes to the identifications of the Peoples mentioned in the Bible.

Get your head out of the 19th Centuries Theologies of Racism.

ACTS CHAPTER 13

¶ There were at Antioche, in the congregation, prophets and doctors, as Barnabas and Simeonb called Nyger, And Lucius of Cerene, and Manahen Herod the tetrarkes nursefellow, and Saul. As they served God, and fasted, The holy ghost said: separate me Barnabas and Saul, for the work whereunto I have called them. Then fasted they and prayed, and put their hands on them, and let them go.


Where is Niger? AFRICA
Where is Cerene? [LIBYA AFRICA] THE HAMITES

Israel and judah were scattered in these surounding countries fleeing persecution for centuries by other rogue nations.They blended in, lived and dwelled intermarried and raised families in those nations where they were scattered

They went across the atlas mountians into the Hamite lands
namely West Africa





Zephaniah Chapter 1

Verse 1 of this chapter is unique. Zephaniah was a prophet who likely was of royal lineage. He was a “son of Cushi,” a name that translates as “Cushite” or “Ethopian,” suggesting that Israelites had married into this cushite familie.

His grandfather was “Gedaliah,” which meant “Eh'yeh has made great,” and Zephaniah’s great-grandfather is thought to be the same “Hezekiah” (Eh'Yeh strengthens), who had previously been king (1 Chronicles 29:1). Josiah was Judah’s king from 640-609 BC, the time of Zephaniah.s manipulation techniques to twist the truth

I'm sorry, but I disagree. These verses are the crux to the faith and hope in Jesus Christ. If one is to use the Word of God to base a theory, then by every means, I will use it to the glory of God and to His truth. I was having a conversation with a member that still stays within the grounds of your thread. Just because it is your topic does not give you the right to tell me what I can or cannot write, considering the drivel that constitutes conversation on this forum. Pah-lease allow us some freaking integrity and intelligence.

If Ephraim is the United States as some think
Could these verses mean the united states is confederate with the palestinians and attack Israel(Judah) before
Israel is 65 years old which Israel will be 65 May 11 2013.

It says Ephraim will be destroyed and both her kings will be killed(pres, vice pres?) being they tried to Attack Israel God's chosen people

When this happened in the times of the prophets God brought the Assyrians against Ephriam and took them away captive
If it is to happen this time possibly the Gog magog war will be China and Russia coming against the united states for attempting to destroy God chosen people Israel.

Possibly we make a false flag to find a reason to attack Israel


Isaiah 7

King James Version (KJV)

7 And it came to pass in the days of Ahaz the son of Jotham, the son of Uzziah, king of Judah, that Rezin the king of Syria, and Pekah the son of Remaliah, king of Israel, went up toward Jerusalem to war against it, but could not prevail against it.

2 And it was told the house of David(Israel), saying, Syria is confederate with Ephraim(u.s?). And his heart was moved, and the heart of his people, as the trees of the wood are moved with the wind.

3 Then said the Lord unto Isaiah, Go forth now to meet Ahaz, thou, and Shearjashub thy son, at the end of the conduit of the upper pool in the highway of the fuller's field;

4 And say unto him, Take heed, and be quiet; fear not, neither be fainthearted for the two tails of these smoking firebrands, for the fierce anger of Rezin with Syria, and of the son of Remaliah.

5 Because Syria, Ephraim(u.s?), and the son of Remaliah, have taken evil counsel against thee(israel), saying,

6 Let us go up against Judah(Israel), and vex it, and let us make a breach therein for us, and set a king in the midst of it, even the son of Tabeal:

7 Thus saith the Lord God, It shall not stand, neither shall it come to pass.

8 For the head of Syria is Damascus, and the head of Damascus is Rezin; and within threescore and five years shall Ephraim(united states) be broken, that it be not a people.

9 And the head of Ephraim is Samaria, and the head of Samaria is Remaliah's son. If ye will not believe, surely ye shall not be established.

10 Moreover the Lord spake again unto Ahaz, saying,

11 Ask thee a sign of the Lord thy God; ask it either in the depth, or in the height above.

12 But Ahaz said, I will not ask, neither will I tempt the Lord.

13 And he said, Hear ye now, O house of David; Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will ye weary my God also?

14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin(also translated young woman) shall conceive, and bear a son(man-child of Rev. 12), and shall call his name Immanuel( translated God with us).

15 Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good.

16 For before the child(man-child of Revelation 12) shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings(president, vice-president?).

17 The Lord shall bring upon thee, and upon thy people, and upon thy father's house, days that have not come, from the day that Ephraim departed from Judah; even the king of Assyria.

YOU ARE SORRY? YOU SHOULD BE!You failed to answer a simple question because you chose to lie and what is more sad you are trying to use the same book that confirms God's truth to deny the truth.
THE HOPE IN MESSIAH WAS THE FACT THAT HE CAME TO REDEMM HIS PEOPLE ISRAEL IF THERE WAS NO ISRAEL YOU AS A GENTILE WILL NOT HAVE RECIEVED ANYTHING..SO BOAST NOT AGAINST THE BRANCHES

DEUT CHP:28
48 Therefore shalt thou serve thine enemies which the LORD shall send against thee, in hunger, and in thirst, and in nakedness, and in want of all things: and he shall put a yoke of iron upon thy neck, until he have destroyed thee.



Prove to me then that the europeans were taken on ships with chains on their necks to a land of bondage for a second time?

Did this happen to the chinese or the arabs or any other nations?



JOEL CHP3
3 And they have cast lots for my people; and have given a boy for an harlot, and sold a girl for wine, that they might drink.

6 The children also of Judah and the children of Jerusalem have ye sold unto the Grecians, that ye might remove them far from their border.


DEUT CHP 28
And the LORD shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you.

Were Adam and Eve to be considered as just some more "beasts of the field"?

Personally I think you need to back track all the way to Genesis 1:1 and try a different 'path', somewhere you have zigged when perhaps you should have zagged.

And if you are talking about Key-Words.. yes, those in seminary deal with Key-Words as well. In fact many of the seminaries apply the principles of the Constructionalist approach to the interpretation of the Texts, first, rather than the Originalist approach to Textual interpretation.

(2Ti 2:14 KJV) Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.

(2Ti 2:15 KJV) Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

(2Ti 2:16 KJV) But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

(2Ti 2:17 KJV) And their word will eat as doth a canker...

Because.... they are FIGHTING for there LIES

The use of 'earth' is sometimes meaning only the ground you stand upon, the soil, the hard places... or land, having nothing at all to do in the sense of the Globe of the Planet Earth. Such confusions bring much error.

THE QUESTION IS THIS CAN YOU PROVIDE EVIDENCE THAT THESE ARE NOT THE PEOPLE AND ALSO DID THIS HAPPEN TO THE EUROPEAN FAKE JEWS GOING ON SHIPS WITH CHAINS ON THEIR NECK AN SOLD AS SLAVES?

DEUT CHP:28
48 Therefore shalt thou serve thine enemies which the LORD shall send against thee, in hunger, and in thirst, and in nakedness, and in want of all things: and he shall put a yoke of iron upon thy neck, until he have destroyed thee.



Prove to me then that the europeans were taken on ships with chains on their necks to a land of bondage for a second time?

Did this happen to the chinese or the arabs or any other nations?



JOEL CHP3
3 And they have cast lots for my people; and have given a boy for an harlot, and sold a girl for wine, that they might drink.

6 The children also of Judah and the children of Jerusalem have ye sold unto the Grecians, that ye might remove them far from their border.


DEUT CHP 28
And the LORD shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you.

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Again, my conversations here in your thread were to another members questions. I already gave my opinion earlier about a scripture you were using. What exactly are you asking and I can join the conversation?

YOU FOLK WILL NOT GET AROUND THIS BY TRYING TO DIVERT WITH IRRELEVENT BLABBER.pLEASE JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION ASKED AND PROVIDE THE PROOF THAT THESE THINGS BEFELL YOUR PEOPLE SINCE THE EUROPEANS CLAIM TO BE ISRAEL.

DEUT CHP:28
48 Therefore shalt thou serve thine enemies which the LORD shall send against thee, in hunger, and in thirst, and in nakedness, and in want of all things: and he shall put a yoke of iron upon thy neck, until he have destroyed thee.



Prove to me then that the europeans were taken on ships with chains on their necks to a land of bondage for a second time?

Did this happen to the chinese or the arabs or any other nations?



JOEL CHP3
3 And they have cast lots for my people; and have given a boy for an harlot, and sold a girl for wine, that they might drink.

6 The children also of Judah and the children of Jerusalem have ye sold unto the Grecians, that ye might remove them far from their border.


DEUT CHP 28
And the LORD shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you.

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"THE QUESTION IS THIS CAN YOU PROVIDE EVIDENCE THAT THESE [who exactly are you referring to?] ARE NOT THE PEOPLE [again which people?] AND ALSO DID THIS HAPPEN TO THE EUROPEAN FAKE JEWS GOING ON SHIPS WITH CHAINS ON THEIR NECK AN SOLD AS SLAVES?" [I suppose you mean in the Deut. scripture?]

Oh, sorry, I see your question here. Uhm, could you clear up your question a bit? Thanks.

And who was the father of Hiziah?
And who were the grandfathers of Hiziah?
And who were the great grandfathers of Hiziah?
And who were the great great grandfathers of Hiziah?
And who were the great great great grandfathers of Hiziah?
And who were the great great great great.... grandfathers of Hiziah?

Oh, it does not say! Hmmm.. go figure.

At some point though one might allege that one of Hiziah's distant Grand Fathers, was Jacob/Israel himself, and even further back even Noah.

What's the point?

Its untraceable... at least in the knowledge, wisdom, and understand of Humans.

Chapter and Verse detailing the 'red head with blue eyes' so as to be found within the Book itself, and not just wild assertions -- Please? Some might want that link.