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What do you think the Chocolate Homo is going to do about the USSA going over the Fiscal Cliff?
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Yeah...those evil rascally Republican Congressmen.

No mention of Obama jetting off to another multi-million dollar vacation to Hawaii, or the constant shifting in his position.

Dont get me wrong, I feel the President has played Boehner like a Stradivarius, with the medias help. As much as I disagree with the AC's above tone, and blind rhetoric, he does have a distinct point.

BTW...what makes MSNBC or CNN, or any of the other "news" organizations any more or less biased than FOX? IMHO, at least FOX tries to present both sides, and the Lib/Progressive guests get a say and arent shouted down and called morons like the opposition are on lets say...MSNBC.
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Of course, the President has no say in the matter because it is CONGRESS which needs to do something.
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Wait...What?

The WTF is all these weeks of secret and not so secret meetings with the Executive hmmmmm?

Of course the House needs to pass a Bill, which they have on several occasions, but it still needs to get through the Senate, which the Senate majority leader has publically spoken that any House Bill is DOA in his chamber...but again, no harsh words toward him and his fellow Democrat hostage takers, who havent passed a budget bill in over 4 years....and then the President needs to sign it.

Trust me, I dont needs a civics lesson, and know how things are supposed to work. I am just asking for a little fairness here.
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Obuma has asked for 2 trillion up front deficit cash and spending cut negiotiations later.

Thats not a deal. He and his treason party have to be removed from office.

Extortion is still a crime in the US ?
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Cindy Saine
December 21, 2012

CAPITOL HILL — U.S. lawmakers are heading home for the Christmas holidays without any agreement or even a clear path forward on a way to avoid a combination of massive tax increases and spending cuts known as the fiscal cliff. The entire process came to a standstill late Thursday, when the Speaker of the House of Representatives, John Boehner, was unable to muster enough votes in his own Republican caucus for a bill that would only have raised taxes on incomes of $1 million a year.

More at link..........
 Quoting: roadrunnerray


To be honest, I do not think Obama has any interest in agreeing to any deal. Even if all of the Republicans agreed with every one of Obama's DEMANDS, Obama would still find a reason to refuse it. he has shown that he has no interest in doing anything that would actually help this country.

The biggest sticky point for him, and one he DEMANDS is for him and him alone to have the right and power to increase the debt ceiling to anything he wants it to be. Yeah, like that is going to work. He wants to spend and spend your childrens, grand-childrens, and now great-grand-childrens future, with NO plans to buy it back.
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I predict the tea party will get blamed for the cliff, then come election time, the dems will get control of everything
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I predict the tea party will get blamed for the cliff, then come election time, the dems will get control of everything
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The Tea Party is always blamed for anything that goes on in Washington that doesn't go Lord God Almighty Obama's way. If people actually looked at the truth instead of waiting for someone to tell them what to think, they would soon realize that Obama is a disease intent on currupting the American economy any way he can.

The thing I find so hateful is how the MSM is saying that Congress ran out of town before doing their job, but ignoring the fact that Obama was already gone on his way to another glorious tax payer paid vacation in the lying state of Hawaii.
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Yeah...those evil rascally Republican Congressmen.

No mention of Obama jetting off to another multi-million dollar vacation to Hawaii, or the constant shifting in his position.

Dont get me wrong, I feel the President has played Boehner like a Stradivarius, with the medias help. As much as I disagree with the AC's above tone, and blind rhetoric, he does have a distinct point.

BTW...what makes MSNBC or CNN, or any of the other "news" organizations any more or less biased than FOX? IMHO, at least FOX tries to present both sides, and the Lib/Progressive guests get a say and arent shouted down and called morons like the opposition are on lets say...MSNBC.
 Quoting: SFC_Swede


Of course, the President has no say in the matter because it is CONGRESS which needs to do something.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30636883


Wait...What?

The WTF is all these weeks of secret and not so secret meetings with the Executive hmmmmm?

Of course the House needs to pass a Bill, which they have on several occasions, but it still needs to get through the Senate, which the Senate majority leader has publically spoken that any House Bill is DOA in his chamber...but again, no harsh words toward him and his fellow Democrat hostage takers, who havent passed a budget bill in over 4 years....and then the President needs to sign it.

Trust me, I dont needs a civics lesson, and know how things are supposed to work. I am just asking for a little fairness here.
 Quoting: SFC_Swede


Obuma has asked for 2 trillion up front deficit cash and spending cut negiotiations later.

Thats not a deal. He and his treason party have to be removed from office.

Extortion is still a crime in the US ?
 Quoting: Mr. Toppit


Extortion, arm twisting, and nepotism is all the entire political class knows.

Of course he wants the spending increases now, with the promise of cuts later. This is not some new trick. The Democrats have pulled that one on Reagan when they promised cuts for a tax increase and the cuts never came. They did it again on George H.W. Bush when he broke his "no new taxes" pledge. And even Clinton ran on cutting taxes, but once in office came to the microphone and proclaimed "I have never worked as hard as I have in these past few weeks, but I just cant find any areas to reduce taxes". These snake oil salesmen are filled with nothing but lies.
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Politically both sides wanted this and the teapartiers will be washed out. You really thought they'd come up with a deal?
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Cindy Saine
December 21, 2012

CAPITOL HILL — U.S. lawmakers are heading home for the Christmas holidays without any agreement or even a clear path forward on a way to avoid a combination of massive tax increases and spending cuts known as the fiscal cliff. The entire process came to a standstill late Thursday, when the Speaker of the House of Representatives, John Boehner, was unable to muster enough votes in his own Republican caucus for a bill that would only have raised taxes on incomes of $1 million a year.

More at link..........
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Such a wonderful system we have; politicians raise their salaries all while raising taxes on the rest of us; their tax exempt overseas bank accounts getting fatter as they feed at the trough; exploiting our labor untill their snouts drip with filth...

fuck them
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I predict the tea party will get blamed for the cliff, then come election time, the dems will get control of everything
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The Tea Party is always blamed for anything that goes on in Washington that doesn't go Lord God Almighty Obama's way. If people actually looked at the truth instead of waiting for someone to tell them what to think, they would soon realize that Obama is a disease intent on currupting the American economy any way he can.

The thing I find so hateful is how the MSM is saying that Congress ran out of town before doing their job, but ignoring the fact that Obama was already gone on his way to another glorious tax payer paid vacation in the lying state of Hawaii.
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What do you think the Chocolate Homo is going to do about the USSA going over the Fiscal Cliff?
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as someone on the radio said: the middle class will be taxed into oblivion.
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Well it is that fantastic time of year when those not in that Titanic canoe heading toward the fiscal cliff can head toward those exclusive country clubs for a elbow-on-the-yellow-wood-mantel chat and chuckle about the austerity befalling those under their care...

Merry Christmas. It will be sweet and tender for a few/
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i keep hearing the buzzword 'fiscal cliff' aka 'the fool' card 0.... beginning a journey

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Whole thing is dumb, we've all seen it before. They will get an extension bill passed to push out the final 11th hour deal. This just a ploy to keep the sheep out of the markets while they rally and rally they will in January.
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Whole thing is dumb, we've all seen it before. They will get an extension bill passed to push out the final 11th hour deal. This just a ploy to keep the sheep out of the markets while they rally and rally they will in January.
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The downgrade to junk and then garbage will be so well earned.
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Republicans better get used to this fact.

When the US goes over the fiscal cliff, thanks to the tea party faction, the George Bush tax cuts will expire, and tax rates will go up.

Then the new Congress sworn in in January, will pass new tax cuts, with the help of Democrats in the House, the Democrat controlled Senate, and signed by President Obama.

The tax cuts to be forever known as the "Obama tax cuts".

If you can't see this coming, you've been watching too much Foxnews. And are following your tea party faction, beholden to the weathiest 1/5th of 1% of Americans who make over $1 million per year, who couldn't possibly withstand the indignity of a 3% increase in their tax rate.

The Republicans are a bigger joke than ever right now. Bring on the Obama tax cuts!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30625170


Rest assured my friend, the "joke" is all inclusive!
 Quoting: roadrunnerray



agreed

I am perplexed by those that still hold the opinions that this is just another case of 'democrats v/s republicans'
the only battle lines that I can see are 'us v/s them' goodevil

"united we stand....divided we fall" .... sigh

usa
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Re: Congress Adjourns for Christmas Without Path Forward to Avert Fiscal Cliff
Whole thing is dumb, we've all seen it before. They will get an extension bill passed to push out the final 11th hour deal. This just a ploy to keep the sheep out of the markets while they rally and rally they will in January.
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I'm pretty sure its a non-event other than a sell off in the markets next week for some to avoid the capital gains taxes. The real issue is the next debt ceiling fiasco that happens in March.
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They cannot avert it, Simple math.
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Republicans better get used to this fact.

When the US goes over the fiscal cliff, thanks to the tea party faction, the George Bush tax cuts will expire, and tax rates will go up.

Then the new Congress sworn in in January, will pass new tax cuts, with the help of Democrats in the House, the Democrat controlled Senate, and signed by President Obama.

The tax cuts to be forever known as the "Obama tax cuts".

If you can't see this coming, you've been watching too much Foxnews. And are following your tea party faction, beholden to the weathiest 1/5th of 1% of Americans who make over $1 million per year, who couldn't possibly withstand the indignity of a 3% increase in their tax rate.

The Republicans are a bigger joke than ever right now. Bring on the Obama tax cuts!!!
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I guess that is why Harry Reid wouldn't bring any bill up for a vote in the Senate, he did not have enough "yes" votes. Just like the last time the Senate voted for the potus spending bill and it was defeated 99-0. Our leader is a brain dead POS.
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I keep thinking back to 1913 when a few members of the senate were able to enact the current Federal Reserve act while most members had left for the holidays. There was a thread recently talking about a "formal" adjournment.
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Sine die.
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Republicans better get used to this fact.

When the US goes over the fiscal cliff, thanks to the tea party faction, the George Bush tax cuts will expire, and tax rates will go up.

Then the new Congress sworn in in January, will pass new tax cuts, with the help of Democrats in the House, the Democrat controlled Senate, and signed by President Obama.

The tax cuts to be forever known as the "Obama tax cuts".

If you can't see this coming, you've been watching too much Foxnews. And are following your tea party faction, beholden to the weathiest 1/5th of 1% of Americans who make over $1 million per year, who couldn't possibly withstand the indignity of a 3% increase in their tax rate.

The Republicans are a bigger joke than ever right now. Bring on the Obama tax cuts!!!
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Rest assured my friend, the "joke" is all inclusive!
 Quoting: roadrunnerray



:agreed:

I am perplexed by those that still hold the opinions that this is just another case of 'democrats v/s republicans'
the only battle lines that I can see are 'us v/s them' goodevil

"united we stand....divided we fall" .... sigh

:usa:
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True, but there's nothing wrong with commenting upon the production, script, and the performers.
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Yeah...those evil rascally Republican Congressmen.

No mention of Obama jetting off to another multi-million dollar vacation to Hawaii, or the constant shifting in his position.

Dont get me wrong, I feel the President has played Boehner like a Stradivarius, with the medias help. As much as I disagree with the AC's above tone, and blind rhetoric, he does have a distinct point.

BTW...what makes MSNBC or CNN, or any of the other "news" organizations any more or less biased than FOX? IMHO, at least FOX tries to present both sides, and the Lib/Progressive guests get a say and arent shouted down and called morons like the opposition are on lets say...MSNBC.
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That's theatre. It's NOT real!!
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'''' Obama tax cuts'''''

LOL.....the middle class will foot the bill for his foolish spending.
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Republicans better get used to this fact.

When the US goes over the fiscal cliff, thanks to the tea party faction, the George Bush tax cuts will expire, and tax rates will go up.

Then the new Congress sworn in in January, will pass new tax cuts, with the help of Democrats in the House, the Democrat controlled Senate, and signed by President Obama.

The tax cuts to be forever known as the "Obama tax cuts".

If you can't see this coming, you've been watching too much Foxnews. And are following your tea party faction, beholden to the weathiest 1/5th of 1% of Americans who make over $1 million per year, who couldn't possibly withstand the indignity of a 3% increase in their tax rate.

The Republicans are a bigger joke than ever right now. Bring on the Obama tax cuts!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30625170


Rest assured my friend, the "joke" is all inclusive!
 Quoting: roadrunnerray



agreed

I am perplexed by those that still hold the opinions that this is just another case of 'democrats v/s republicans'
the only battle lines that I can see are 'us v/s them' goodevil

"united we stand....divided we fall" .... sigh

usa
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True, but there's nothing wrong with commenting upon the production, script, and the performers.
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'''' Obama tax cuts'''''

LOL.....the middle class will foot the bill for his foolish spending.
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That is the ONLY WAY the USEFUL IDIOTS and SHEEP will learn.
...as evidenced by the election of 2012.

Only when the economic pain becomes large enough will they realize what they did.


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I predict the tea party will get blamed for the cliff, then come election time, the dems will get control of everything
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For example if we earn about 1000 a month , about how much in percentage would we get taken out additionally ?
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This is all by design. The goal is to tie our hands and keep the US from influencing world politics. The administration does not think we should have the influence we do and the best way to stop the US is to put us in debt bondage.

Our engine of prosperity is consumerism, but we don’t produce what we consume anymore, other nations do. The only way to get out of this debt issue is to produce new sources of growth. But taxes only slow the velocity of money and consumer confidence is staggeringly low on top of it.

Taxes do not raise government revenue but rather are used to control growth of the economy so it does not out pace itself. If you let an economy all of a sudden have a 25% growth in one year the next few years will stagnate and the growth will collapse in on itself. So you raise taxes when we are growing to fast, well we are not growing too fast; instead our debt is growing too fast.

What we have is an attempt to put us all in long term debt bondage we cannot get out of quickly. We are spurring our current growth by mortgaging our economic future!

The only way to get out of this to lower taxes and increase the velocity of money, more money in circulation today then has ever been in circulation before but money is changing hands slower than it ever has before. The government makes its money and the value of our currency goes up when we exchange money. If no one is using the dollar it is worthless.

Another thing, our growth is directly related to the cost of energy, no cheap energy no growth. Make no mistake there will be no new “clean” energy jobs, they are just a fleecing unit. If clean energy was feasible you and I would invest in it in a heartbeat.




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I hope you all realize this is all about the obamacare funding. The fiscal cliff as politics calls it so misleadingly, can go right over. We as regular citizens will not notice a thing except a bunch of politicians start drumming to the people to donate to their frivolous help programs. no more aid shipped overseas, no more money to fund the stuff making Pelosi millions outside of her congressional paycheck. This could be a good thing
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For example if we earn about 1000 a month , about how much in percentage would we get taken out additionally ?
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Republicans better get used to this fact.

When the US goes over the fiscal cliff, thanks to the tea party faction, the George Bush tax cuts will expire, and tax rates will go up.

Then the new Congress sworn in in January, will pass new tax cuts, with the help of Democrats in the House, the Democrat controlled Senate, and signed by President Obama.

The tax cuts to be forever known as the "Obama tax cuts".

If you can't see this coming, you've been watching too much Foxnews. And are following your tea party faction, beholden to the weathiest 1/5th of 1% of Americans who make over $1 million per year, who couldn't possibly withstand the indignity of a 3% increase in their tax rate.

The Republicans are a bigger joke than ever right now. Bring on the Obama tax cuts!!!
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Tax cuts by the demotards?!? That's something that never really happens when they spend more then us people can pay taxes.
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