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So, when they ban you from buying or owning firearms or ammo, where will you go?

 
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So, when they ban you from buying or owning firearms or ammo, where will you go?
There are other places in the world where it's still lawful to own firearms, places where firearm freedom still exists.

Here's a list for your consideration:

Graphic: Gun ownership around the world

The Post takes a look at gun ownership around the world compared with the rate of firearms-related deaths.

In 2007, the U.S. had the highest gun ownership rate in the world - an average of 88 per 100 people. But the U.S. does not have the worst firearm murder rate - that prize belongs to Honduras, El Salvador and Jamaica. In fact, the U.S. is well down the list of countries with available firearm data from 2007 starting with countries where firearms are most common.

Click below for the list:

[link to news.nationalpost.com]

Click below for the PDF:

[link to nationalpostnews.files.wordpress.com]

Obviously, the higher up this list you go, the more firearms are owned by the populous. And the smaller the circles are on all but the left column, the safer those countries are.

Happy travels.
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12/22/2012 09:07 AM
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Re: So, when they ban you from buying or owning firearms or ammo, where will you go?
Mexico might have had a lower homicide rate if Obama didn't give the drug gangs all those guns.
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Mexico might have had a lower homicide rate if Obama didn't give the drug gangs all those guns.
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Yes.

And you can see how well strict gun and ammo control works in Mexico to avert gun violence.
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Gun Rights Index

A list of gun rights around the world.

This index represents gun rights (that is, the legality of purchase and possession of pistols, rifles, shotguns, fully-automatic weapons, and suppressors, the legality of accessible home storage of at least one firearm for self-defense, and the legality of open and concealed carry of firearms) worldwide, scored by individual country (although see the comment on federalist systems, below; each US state has also been scored). This index is a rough guide to gun rights and gun laws around the world, and was first compiled in 2009 for inclusion in the Free Existence Freedom Index, a freedom meta-index which was limited by the lack of a comprehensive resource for the quantification of worldwide gun-related freedoms.

[link to www.freeexistence.org]

The List: (.xls)

www.freeexistence.org/data/2011/2011_gunlaw_data.xls

This list includes world nations and the USA by states, as the laws existed in 2011.
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Quick and Dirty Guide To Buying An Assault Rifle


With a new “assault rifle” ban just around the corner, it is a good time to think about purchasing your first, next and/or possibly last defensive rifle designed for all around lethality. Let’s be clear what we are talking about. This is your “shit just hit the fan” rifle. This is your things have collapsed but somehow I’m still here and we need to pick up the pieces and rebuild rifle. This is the rifle you will use to keep the barbarian hordes from raping and pillaging your land, castle and family (should they ever appear over the horizon). This is the rifle you’ll use when you join the neighborhood militia (if you neighborhood ever needs to start one). This is the rifle you are buying because the founding fathers thought every American should be involved in guarding against tyranny and that self-defense was a God given right. You know that’s still true now.

continued...

[link to willtoexist.com]

Q&A at:

[link to www.armedpolitesociety.com]

Nutnfancy on gun control:

[link to www.youtube.com]
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Re: So, when they ban you from buying or owning firearms or ammo, where will you go?
Here's the main Freedom Index for 2012. It lists countries by 9 different crieria that you can dynamically pick and choose from.

Finally, a Tool for Identifying the Most Free Country in the World.

"The man who knows what freedom means will find a way to be free." -F.A. "Baldy" Harper

"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." -Benjamin Franklin

So where is YOUR country?

[link to www.freeexistence.org]
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12/22/2012 11:28 AM
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Re: So, when they ban you from buying or owning firearms or ammo, where will you go?
Millions of Americans have died all over this
stinking planet to preserve the heritage our
founders gave us.

The most IMPORTANT heritage they gave us was a
WELL ARMED CITIZENRY.
The Second Amendment of the Bill of Rights
Guarantees that we will ALWAYS be WELL ARMED.

The militia spoken of in the Second Amendment
is NOT the Continental Army.
It is ALL of the PEOPLE!

Tenche Cox, Pennsylvanian delegate to the
Continental Congress:

"The militia of these free commonwealths,
entitled and accustomed to their arms,
when compared with any possible army,
MUST BE tremendous and irresistible.
Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves?
Is it feared, then, that we shall turn
our arms each man against his own bosom.
Congress have no power to disarm
the militia. Their swords, and every other
terrible implement of the soldier,
are the BIRTH-RIGHT of an American
...
the UNLIMITED POWER of the sword is not in
the hands of either the federal or state
governments, but, where I trust in God
it will ever remain,
in the hands of the people.
"
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12/22/2012 11:33 AM
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Re: So, when they ban you from buying or owning firearms or ammo, where will you go?
you show me an America where they succeed in taking away and confiscating all the guns.... and then also, never legally sell another again...

and I have a talking dog who can explain all the mysteries of the universe to show you.

(you people seriously need to get a grip)

it isn't going to happen, quit screaming fire in a crowded restaurant

can't happen, won't happen, was never even thought to be a possibility by anyone with the actual authority to try to make it happen
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Re: So, when they ban you from buying or owning firearms or ammo, where will you go?
Millions of Americans have died all over this
stinking planet to preserve the heritage our
founders gave us.

The most IMPORTANT heritage they gave us was a
WELL ARMED CITIZENRY.
The Second Amendment of the Bill of Rights
Guarantees that we will ALWAYS be WELL ARMED.

The militia spoken of in the Second Amendment
is NOT the Continental Army.
It is ALL of the PEOPLE!

Tenche Cox, Pennsylvanian delegate to the
Continental Congress:

"The militia of these free commonwealths,
entitled and accustomed to their arms,
when compared with any possible army,
MUST BE tremendous and irresistible.
Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves?
Is it feared, then, that we shall turn
our arms each man against his own bosom.
Congress have no power to disarm
the militia. Their swords, and every other
terrible implement of the soldier,
are the BIRTH-RIGHT of an American
...
the UNLIMITED POWER of the sword is not in
the hands of either the federal or state
governments, but, where I trust in God
it will ever remain,
in the hands of the people.
"

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8977874

I think the most important heritage they gave you was a reverence for God, and maybe a well-armed citizenry comes in second place.

But that's all over now. TPTB have been wheedling away at your rights since the early 20th Century. And now they are about to be stolen from you completely to satisfy the NWO's agenda for global tyranny.

And the American sheeple will sit in their recliner chairs and do nothing about it, just like the Aussies did nothing when they lost their rights, or any other country for that matter. You will not always be armed because the apathy of the general public will betray you. And there's nothing meaningful you will be able to do about it.

Will all those patriotic sacrifices be in vain then?

I think it's time to begin considering an exit strategy.
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12/22/2012 11:44 AM
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Re: So, when they ban you from buying or owning firearms or ammo, where will you go?
you show me an America where they succeed in taking away and confiscating all the guns.... and then also, never legally sell another again...

and I have a talking dog who can explain all the mysteries of the universe to show you.

(you people seriously need to get a grip)

it isn't going to happen, quit screaming fire in a crowded restaurant

can't happen, won't happen, was never even thought to be a possibility by anyone with the actual authority to try to make it happen
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30436606

You seem to suffer from normalcy bias.

Did you know your ancestors used to own fully automatic machine guns?

That was before the invention in America of a new evil called 'gun control' laws.

I'm sure patriots back then said the same thing you are saying now, "it isn't going to happen, can't happen, won't happen!"

It's not about inciting fear and panic, it's about NYC Mayor Bloomberg declaring the need for gun confiscations on the national level. Those are his words, not mine. Go take it up with your leaders.
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Re: So, when they ban you from buying or owning firearms or ammo, where will you go?
just because one mayor or two or twenty say it, does NOT mean it will even be initiated...

let alone succeed if it was
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Re: So, when they ban you from buying or owning firearms or ammo, where will you go?
They are not going to have enough support to ban anything. Plus lots of seats up for grabs in 2014.
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Re: So, when they ban you from buying or owning firearms or ammo, where will you go?
Armed free men (the people) are in charge, they are no told what to do by tyrannical thug dictators.

You clearly do not understand unalienable rights nor the foundations of America.
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just because one mayor or two or twenty say it, does NOT mean it will even be initiated...

let alone succeed if it was
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30436606

NYC's mayor isn't just any mayor. Their new and unjust laws are often the launch pad for Marxist laws to be implemented nationwide.

This is just the tip of the camel's nose in the tent for what's coming over the next 4+ yrs.

It was no accident this began almost immediately after B.O.'s election. He must have a busy and full gun control schedule this term since he's starting off with it so quickly.

They even have some Repubes and NRA members already caving in and going belly up so soon. It's pathetic really the lack of true conservative leadership in the USA these days. It's a bad omen for what's to come.

There is no difference in the political parties anymore in the USA. They all work for the same anti-gun pupeteers. Can't you see that?

The days of private gun ownership in Amerika are numbered.

Ron Paul might have been your last hope. But that's over now.

The only possible hope you might have left is for some states to seceed when more gun control laws are passed. But state legislatures and governers are too cowardly for all that crazy talk, so I doubt it will ever happen.
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They are not going to have enough support to ban anything. Plus lots of seats up for grabs in 2014.
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I hope you are right.

Then we'll get to see B.O. flex his unconstitutional Executive Orders.

He likes Rule By Decree.

He admitted such already.
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Re: So, when they ban you from buying or owning firearms or ammo, where will you go?
Armed free men (the people) are in charge, they are no told what to do by tyrannical thug dictators.

You clearly do not understand unalienable rights nor the foundations of America.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20901334

The American people are now in charge of nothing but their remote controls to their television sets.

Did you stop the USA 1994 Assault Weapons Ban?

Didn't think so.

Will you stop the USA 2013 Assault Weapons Ban?

Think again!

Dreamers.

Please prove me wrong! I'll welcome the chance to admit I was wrong next December.
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Re: So, when they ban you from buying or owning firearms or ammo, where will you go?
Armed free men (the people) are in charge, they are no told what to do by tyrannical thug dictators.

You clearly do not understand unalienable rights nor the foundations of America.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20901334

The American people are now in charge of nothing but their remote controls to their television sets.

Did you stop the USA 1994 Assault Weapons Ban?

Didn't think so.

Will you stop the USA 2013 Assault Weapons Ban?

Think again!

Dreamers.

Please prove me wrong! I'll welcome the chance to admit I was wrong next December.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30594695


Man I don't really want to get into an arguement I don't know what life is like in Mongolia, but the perception of America by the rest of the worl is disgusting. I'm starting to think yall are being brainwashed about us.. wtf.

We are not anywhere as bad as most non-us posters make us out to be. We are just very diverse which seems to confuse the rest of the world about who we really are and what we are capable of. Do not let us all be judged by the actions of a few.
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Re: So, when they ban you from buying or owning firearms or ammo, where will you go?
Armed free men (the people) are in charge, they are no told what to do by tyrannical thug dictators.

You clearly do not understand unalienable rights nor the foundations of America.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20901334

The American people are now in charge of nothing but their remote controls to their television sets.

Did you stop the USA 1994 Assault Weapons Ban?

Didn't think so.

Will you stop the USA 2013 Assault Weapons Ban?

Think again!

Dreamers.

Please prove me wrong! I'll welcome the chance to admit I was wrong next December.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30594695


Man I don't really want to get into an arguement I don't know what life is like in Mongolia, but the perception of America by the rest of the worl is disgusting. I'm starting to think yall are being brainwashed about us.. wtf.

We are not anywhere as bad as most non-us posters make us out to be. We are just very diverse which seems to confuse the rest of the world about who we really are and what we are capable of. Do not let us all be judged by the actions of a few.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26421273

Please don't get me wrong, I love the American ideal, and America's past glory. I'm just sad to see the Marxists take over and take away your freedoms. You'll find no greater freedom advocate than me.

But your people have let this happen to them, and for that they are held responsible. Who else could be blamed for the bad laws and bad leaders these days? A nation gets the government it deserves. If it's vigilant & just, it'll get a similar government. If it's apathetic and corrupt, it'll get just that.

So which part of this am I wrong about?

Don't think I'm singling out the USA specifically. Every nation I've been to seems to be up its eyeballs in corruption. It seems to be a universal problem.

The bottom line I believe is that America turned away from God, and now is suffering the consequences of their lack of faith as a post-Christian nation. They are on their own, without the special divine protection they enjoyed for so many decades. If the people of America would only turn back to God, then perhaps their country could be saved.

I wish I could be such an optimist.
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Re: So, when they ban you from buying or owning firearms or ammo, where will you go?
Straight to Washington D.C.
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Straight to Washington D.C.
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And will you turn in your ammo personally?

One bullet at a time?

lol

(rhetorical question, don't answer that)
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do crooks, thieves...robbers....gang members....or anyone else doing bad and or illegal things buy their guns and things legally?

so how will this ban get these guns out of their hands?

what will happen is a huge growth in the guns and ammo black market!

you know the place where all those listed above DO go to buy their guns and ammo now!

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Straight to Washington D.C.
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And will you turn in your ammo personally?

One bullet at a time?

lol

(rhetorical question, don't answer that)
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I refuse to answer on grounds it may incriminate me. LOL
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Re: So, when they ban you from buying or owning firearms or ammo, where will you go?
do crooks, thieves...robbers....gang members....or anyone else doing bad and or illegal things buy their guns and things legally?

so how will this ban get these guns out of their hands?

what will happen is a huge growth in the guns and ammo black market!

you know the place where all those listed above DO go to buy their guns and ammo now!
 Quoting: psyoptics

Correct!

It will also turn law-abiding citizens into criminals overnight.

And those criminals will be labelled "d0mestic t3rr0rists"
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Straight to Washington D.C.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30645546

And will you turn in your ammo personally?

One bullet at a time?

lol

(rhetorical question, don't answer that)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30594695


I refuse to answer on grounds it may incriminate me. LOL
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Oh, so now you think you still have a 5th Amendment right against self-incrimination, do you?

ha-ha!

lol
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Straight to Washington D.C.
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And will you turn in your ammo personally?

One bullet at a time?

lol

(rhetorical question, don't answer that)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30594695


I refuse to answer on grounds it may incriminate me. LOL
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30645546

Oh, so now you think you still have a 5th Amendment right against self-incrimination, do you?

ha-ha!

lol
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That will probably be the next to go, then after that my freedom of speech.
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And will you turn in your ammo personally?

One bullet at a time?

lol

(rhetorical question, don't answer that)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30594695


I refuse to answer on grounds it may incriminate me. LOL
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30645546

Oh, so now you think you still have a 5th Amendment right against self-incrimination, do you?

ha-ha!

lol
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30594695


That will probably be the next to go, then after that my freedom of speech.
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Once your right to self-defense against a corrupt gov't is taken from you, all the rest of your "rights" will begin falling like so many dominoes in a row.

It is the capstone that holds all the rest of your Bill of Rights and Constitution together. Pull it out, and the rest will tumble down into lost rubble.
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It seems no one wants to contemplate what life will be like in the USA after assault rifles are banned again.

It'll be just like in 1994 when certain assault rifles were banned last time.

Did anyone do anything about it then?

No.

It'll be the same this time as well.

But this time they may not stop with assault rifles and high-capacity magazines, they will try to go much further.

They have a schedule to keep, you know.
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the black market would have a field day
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the black market would have a field day
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Does the black market have a field day in Australia?
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Maybe I can trade my fire arms for a drone.

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Maybe I can trade my fire arms for a drone.

banana2
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But only an unarmed recon drone.

To annoy your neighbors...