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# COMET ISON- The Nostradamus Comet At The Time Of The True Mayan Calendar End Date Of 12/16/13 (Something Wicked This Way Cometh!)

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No, I don't agree. 8 Cumkhu is the same as July 7th, and the year is 3140 BC.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10422385

This is the calendar convertor tool.

What you have to understand that in order for the cycle to be complete. The Long Count has to be at the end of its cycle, the Tzolkin has to be at the end of its cycle, and the Haab has to be at the end of its cycle. It is like the gears have to be perfectly in tuned. December 21st, 2012 didn't have all 3 gears perfectly interlocked thus it fails.
Quoting: Revelator Stargate

No it doesn't. How do you explain that a solar calendar from a supposedly advanced civilization doesn't accurately predict when a month occurs?

As for the order of Katuns, you have it wrong. Very wrong.

The order is as follows:

4 Ahau
2 Ahau
13 Ahau
11 Ahau
9 Ahau
7 Ahau
5 Ahau
3 Ahau
1 Ahau
12 Ahau
10 Ahau
8 Ahau
6 Ahau

4 Ahau

The name of the Katun is taken from the name of the day that the renewal occurs. It will always be Ahau and it will always follow the above sequence in order. It counts out 7200 days.

Do the counting and you will see that I am right.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10422385

Ah ha! I see how you are miscalculating it wrong. I did the same thing 3 years ago when I was trying to figure it out. You start counting the katuns beginning at 13 Ahau, and then so on.

I will clearly show you why this is the case later.
Quoting: Revelator Stargate

No, the start date is 4 Ahau and the end date is also 4 Ahau. Listen OP. I don't need calendar calculators and correlation formulas. The calendar has continued to be counted in a place I will not name since the Mayas abandoned their cities. Nobody ever asked the people that actually know. All of the people that say they know on the internet are white, westerners and do not speak any Mayan. And when someone like me tries to share this unadalterated knowledge, it is brushed off. Paternalistic colonial attitudes still going strong in the 21st century.
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This is the calendar convertor tool.

What you have to understand that in order for the cycle to be complete. The Long Count has to be at the end of its cycle, the Tzolkin has to be at the end of its cycle, and the Haab has to be at the end of its cycle. It is like the gears have to be perfectly in tuned. December 21st, 2012 didn't have all 3 gears perfectly interlocked thus it fails.
Quoting: Revelator Stargate

No it doesn't. How do you explain that a solar calendar from a supposedly advanced civilization doesn't accurately predict when a month occurs?

As for the order of Katuns, you have it wrong. Very wrong.

The order is as follows:

4 Ahau
2 Ahau
13 Ahau
11 Ahau
9 Ahau
7 Ahau
5 Ahau
3 Ahau
1 Ahau
12 Ahau
10 Ahau
8 Ahau
6 Ahau

4 Ahau

The name of the Katun is taken from the name of the day that the renewal occurs. It will always be Ahau and it will always follow the above sequence in order. It counts out 7200 days.

Do the counting and you will see that I am right.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10422385

Ah ha! I see how you are miscalculating it wrong. I did the same thing 3 years ago when I was trying to figure it out. You start counting the katuns beginning at 13 Ahau, and then so on.

I will clearly show you why this is the case later.
Quoting: Revelator Stargate

No, the start date is 4 Ahau and the end date is also 4 Ahau. Listen OP. I don't need calendar calculators and correlation formulas. The calendar has continued to be counted in a place I will not name since the Mayas abandoned their cities. Nobody ever asked the people that actually know. All of the people that say they know on the internet are white, westerners and do not speak any Mayan. And when someone like me tries to share this unadalterated knowledge, it is brushed off. Paternalistic colonial attitudes still going strong in the 21st century.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10422385

You are clearly not getting it. Yes, the beginning of the calendar started on a 4 Ahau. 0.0.0.0.0

What I am doing is that you have to truly begin the calendar at year 1, not year 0. Um do we count the Gregorian calendar with a year 0? No! There is no such thing as a year 0. Pretty common logic right? So why do the Mayan calendar researchers included year 0 in their calculations? Doesn't make any sense at all!

So year 1 or 0.0.1.0.0 is

August 5th -3112 B.C. 0.0.1.0.0 (13 Ahau)

And thus we begin to start counting the baktuns and katuns at year 1, not year 0, even though true zero in the Mayan Long Count is a 4 Ahau.

Do you still not understand?

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Yes, I know what you are saying, but you are not understanding what I am saying. My point is that your approach is wrong. You are trying to make a calendar system that is based on a vigesimal number system and which produced a very accurate calendar for people living in the tropics obey our imperfect calendar, which is suited to latitudes 30 - 45 and uses a different number system. This unduly complicates matters and you start missing the intricate details that emerge when you crunch the numbers. The only way to disprove what I say is do the exercises, don't depend on someone elses formulas and correlation engines. It looks to me like you don't want to do the work and prefer to carry on down a path away from real knowledge. I don't want to piss on your thread anymore, but I have left more than enough information for people to do the counting and follow the logic to confirm or debunk what I claim.

All you apparently have is a correlation written by two guys that sacked and raided treasures from our communities and a bunch of internet "experts", none of them Mayan and Wikepedia. Any work you do based on that will not lead you to the right answer, because your approach is flawed.

I have seen it in action where it never stopped being calculated and know it works, have tested it in the places it was invented. You will never convince me, because I have been where you are on the path to learning. I read lots, and then tested the theories where they were used and found out that those correlations are wrong. It was later confirmed that I was right by the people that have kept the count going. I didn't just assume those correlations and I did the work and proved to myself that 2012 or any correlation that ends in December is wrong, I was able to let go of what I thought I knew and learned something new and stunningly intricate and simple.

I hope you sell lots of books to others that can't let go. Nice to see people can still make a buck off of us injuns
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Yes, I know what you are saying, but you are not understanding what I am saying. My point is that your approach is wrong. You are trying to make a calendar system that is based on a vigesimal number system and which produced a very accurate calendar for people living in the tropics obey our imperfect calendar, which is suited to latitudes 30 - 45 and uses a different number system. This unduly complicates matters and you start missing the intricate details that emerge when you crunch the numbers. The only way to disprove what I say is do the exercises, don't depend on someone elses formulas and correlation engines. It looks to me like you don't want to do the work and prefer to carry on down a path away from real knowledge. I don't want to piss on your thread anymore, but I have left more than enough information for people to do the counting and follow the logic to confirm or debunk what I claim.

All you apparently have is a correlation written by two guys that sacked and raided treasures from our communities and a bunch of internet "experts", none of them Mayan and Wikepedia. Any work you do based on that will not lead you to the right answer, because your approach is flawed.

I have seen it in action where it never stopped being calculated and know it works, have tested it in the places it was invented. You will never convince me, because I have been where you are on the path to learning. I read lots, and then tested the theories where they were used and found out that those correlations are wrong. It was later confirmed that I was right by the people that have kept the count going. I didn't just assume those correlations and I did the work and proved to myself that 2012 or any correlation that ends in December is wrong, I was able to let go of what I thought I knew and learned something new and stunningly intricate and simple.

I hope you sell lots of books to others that can't let go. Nice to see people can still make a buck off of us injuns
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10422385

I still don't know how you arrived to 3140 BC for the Long Count beginning or 1988 as being the end of the Long Count cycle or who came up with that. I don't see your theory anywhere on the Internet or correlations that I can figure out. I would at least see some sort of information about that in the vast Internet world related to your dates but I don't ANYWHERE. hmmm You said that not many Mayan actually know about this calendar cycle but only a select few. That tells me something right there!

If you want to believe in your correlations ,which is so confusing to understand, than go for it, that is fine by me. I can't convince you and I don't care for that matter, and no I am not going to write some book. All my research is free of charge. :)

I am sticking to the tried and true GMT correlation, which appears to be the most accurate than any other correlations. These people who came up with the GMT were experts in calenderics, astronomy, and archeology. Sure, there are some to this day, that still think the GMT correlation is off. Well i can understand why, because things don't add up because zero year was included in the calculation, which messes everything up, especially when it comes to figuring out katun cycles.

And regardless of what day YOUR Mayan calendar falls on and ends, it must be at the end of the 13th Long Count, the end of the 13th Tzolkin month, and the end of the 20th sacred Haab day for it to work.

Again, I will show you the calculations more in depth later but at this point you probably don't even care. :)

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The tried and true GMT correlation that gives you a solar calendar date that desynchronizes from the solar cycle by one day every 4 years. It's like saying that next year the day named Tuesday March 4th will happen on August 28th of 2022. That would make no sense at all, just like your argument doesn't make any sense at all.
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The tried and true GMT correlation that gives you a solar calendar date that desynchronizes from the solar cycle by one day every 4 years. It's like saying that next year the day named Tuesday March 4th will happen on August 28th of 2022. That would make no sense at all, just like your argument doesn't make any sense at all.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10422385

It is not my agruement. You are disagreeing with everyone that helped calculate the Gregorian and Julian calendars and the experts that figured out that GMT correlation. You are argueing with them, not me.

Again, no where to be found on the Internet is your theory about how the GMT correlation desynchronizes from the solar cycle every 4 years or the Mayan calendar beginning in -3140 BC and ending in 1988 AD. Do you know who New Jerusalem Russ is? LOL

Hey, at least my end date of Dec. 16th, 2013 was figured out by someone else too a few year ago, and I think they figured it out in a completely different way than me. :)

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So essentially you are saying that the real Mayans who have kept the count all these years are wrong, and the westerners that don't know the language, the history and the philosophical connotations of the symbols know better. At least the people I know can use the calendar to predict when the seasons will occur, and not have a month called by a name that represents the concept of the driest time of the year (Kankin, yellow or old sun) happening in December instead of April.

I will let them know they are wrong and all of the timekeepers since the end of the Triple Alliance have been wrong too. They will get a good laugh at you.
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So essentially you are saying that the real Mayans who have kept the count all these years are wrong, and the westerners that don't know the language, the history and the philosophical connotations of the symbols know better. At least the people I know can use the calendar to predict when the seasons will occur, and not have a month called by a name that represents the concept of the driest time of the year (Kankin, yellow or old sun) happening in December instead of April.

I will let them know they are wrong and all of the timekeepers since the end of the Triple Alliance have been wrong too. They will get a good laugh at you.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10422385

Laugh at not me but all of the ones who came up with the GMT correlation, Julian calendar calculations and Gregorian.

Even you said only a select few Mayans know what kind of calendar you have or are talking about. Sounds like you are the Mayan New Jerusalem Russ to me.

I only laugh at how they included year 0 in their calculations.

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What will you do if it turns out that the world doesn't end when you think it does? Will you admit that everything you've said has been bogus?
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Well, waste your time defiling a very simple time counting mechanism. I thought you might be open to the real thing, but you aren't. I am not the only person that says this, but they don't have websites or youtube videos and they don't speak English. Some of them don't even have electricity. If you read Spanish, try reading Bolio. He is one of the best. He actually speaks Mayan and has lived among Mayan speaking peoples for a long time. He also hasn't done anything dickhead to pervert the traditions. There are also some archives in the university in the western Yucatan by Miguel Espinosa V. also in Spanish. They may be hard to find. Problem is, that nobody wants to listen to the descendants unless we dress in funny pseudo Mayan clothes and call ourselves Mayan sounding names. If we can play a flute and drum, even better. But if you want real knowledge, ask a whitie like Calleman. Anyone who isn't too lazy to turn off youtube and use the information I have left can explore what I have said by doing the counting. I will leave the OP to his grand delusion.
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What will you do if it turns out that the world doesn't end when you think it does? Will you admit that everything you've said has been bogus?
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Lets hope the GLP effect saves the day yet again!

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Well, waste your time defiling a very simple time counting mechanism. I thought you might be open to the real thing, but you aren't. I am not the only person that says this, but they don't have websites or youtube videos and they don't speak English. Some of them don't even have electricity. If you read Spanish, try reading Bolio. He is one of the best. He actually speaks Mayan and has lived among Mayan speaking peoples for a long time. He also hasn't done anything dickhead to pervert the traditions. There are also some archives in the university in the western Yucatan by Miguel Espinosa V. also in Spanish. They may be hard to find. Problem is, that nobody wants to listen to the descendants unless we dress in funny pseudo Mayan clothes and call ourselves Mayan sounding names. If we can play a flute and drum, even better. But if you want real knowledge, ask a whitie like Calleman. Anyone who isn't too lazy to turn off youtube and use the information I have left can explore what I have said by doing the counting. I will leave the OP to his grand delusion.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10422385

I would suggest you start your own thread about your Mayan calendar beginning and end dates and clearly explain it because at this point now it is very confusing and it almost gives you a headache trying to understand it. Like you said, please stop "pissing" on my thread and theory!. Thanks!

This thread is not about try to debate whether the GMT correlation is right or not.

End of story!

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So reading all this, let me paraphrase:

OP: I'm so great! Look at my awesome theory nobody can debunk!

AC: Uhh, I talk to mayans who've kept the count going and you're wrong.

OP: I'm not wrong! The other people who came up with the basis of my theory would have to be wrong so complain to them!

We get the "year 0" thing.

Still not sure why you're trying to tie Nostradamus "end of the world" predictions to the Mayan calendar?

That's like tying when the next earthquake will happen because we have a December 31st.

Comet Ison? Sure.
Blue Kachina? Sure.

But none of this is Mayan. Please think about how you're insulting the Mayan culture by tying "end of great cycle" with "Armageddon" based off some internet research that the Mayans themselves don't contribute to.
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I am very confident in my theory and the numbers don't lie. I will be happy to show you more of the calculations soon.

Very good you actually get "year zero" I am trying to explain. But you obviously don't get multi contextual analysis and building a solid theory around it. Nor do you get what speculation is. This is a conspiracy site right?

The Book of Chilam Balam eludes to certain things happening that seem pretty doomy!

Again, this is speculation and a theory as to what can happen at the end of the Mayan Long Count cycle. Get it?
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Looks like I am not the only one who is clearly beginning to see the connections. DOOM ON!

Written by Jim Mccanney

"November 05, 2012 posting ... i am not a great Nostradamus Quatrain fan however the following is interesting ... this just in from a fan ... Nostradamus predicts that two events will be concurrent ... the entrance of a great comet into the solar system from cancer at the same time as the death of a pope ... we already have a great comet from cancer which is C/2012/S1 ... now if the Pope dies this signifies according to Nostradamus a time of great tribulation for earth ... here is QIV.6 mouse copied from the internet follows ...

6
There will appear towards the North
Not far from Cancer the bearded star:
Susa, Siena, Boeotia, Eretria,
The great one of Rome will die, the night over.

November 03, 2012 posting ... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOW i was just working on the orbit of comet C/2012/S1 and an AMAZING alignment is in the brewing IF the comet survives the mars passage unaltered (next october) and the solar encounter a year from now ... starting around january 8th of 2014 to january 14, 2014 there is a quadruple whammmmmmy of an alignment that involves earth !!!! we have Venus at inferior conjunction with earth AND the new moon passing AND none other than Jupiter the big guy ALL ALIGNED electrically with the moon coming out of the blocking position and in what i call "the new moon passing" ... this is getting real interesting ... the comet will be in the clear night sky and we will be looking directly at its nose and we may get to see some real fireworks along with seeing what the ancients saw ... lightning bolts across the heavens with the earth in the middle and we may witness first hand what in the moses event they called the RED HAND OF DEATH ... just prior to this we will get a bird's eye broadside view of the comet and it may be interacting with earth at some of these points in time ... more information soon ... keep posted ... OOOOPS ... i just have to add another factor that is making this all the more interesting ... the solar maximum will be at its peak !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! get ready folks ... and just remember one little detail ... the bankers and their secret new world order plans CANNOT DO A THING ABOUT THIS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! although they will be working feverishly to come out of this with full control ... their only option will be to create major chaos around the world including major wars ... are the prophesies coming true ???"

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possibly why tptb pushed it so hard this year, to feed off the fear. Then let a year go by and when the comet pages in dec 2013 the people will be unprepared. I keep thinking of Mother Shiptons prophesy - that the comet will pass many times, getting closer and closer with each pass. So we have another 6 or 7 years with more and more destructive storms and natural calamities. Peace out.
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possibly why tptb pushed it so hard this year, to feed off the fear. Then let a year go by and when the comet pages in dec 2013 the people will be unprepared. I keep thinking of Mother Shiptons prophesy - that the comet will pass many times, getting closer and closer with each pass. So we have another 6 or 7 years with more and more destructive storms and natural calamities. Peace out.
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Never does it say anything about 6 or 7 years. But it does say something about 7 days which parallels Nostradamus Quatrain saying:

Quatrain II.41

The great star for seven days will burn, The cloud will cause two suns to appear: The big mastiff all night will howl, When the great pontiff changes countries.

Mother Shipton Prophecy

For storms will rage and oceans roar
When Gabriel stands on sea and shore
And as he blows his wondrous horn
Old worlds die and new be born.

A fiery dragon will cross the sky
Six times before this earth shall die
Mankind will tremble and frightened be
for the sixth heralds in this prophecy.

For seven days and seven nights
Man will watch this awesome sight.
The tides will rise beyond their ken
To bite away the shores and then
The mountains will begin to roar
And earthquakes split the plain to shore.

And flooding waters, rushing in
Will flood the lands with such a din
That mankind cowers in muddy fen
And snarls about his fellow men.

He bares his teeth and fights and kills
And secrets food in secret hills
And ugly in his fear, he lies
To kill marauders, thieves and spies.

Man flees in terror from the floods
And kills, and rapes and lies in blood
And spilling blood by mankinds' hands
Will stain and bitter many lands

And when the dragon's tail is gone,
Man forgets, and smiles, and carries on
To apply himself - too late, too late
For mankind has earned deserved fate.

His masked smile - his false grandeur,
Will serve the Gods their anger stir.
And they will send the Dragon back
To light the sky - his tail will crack
Upon the earth and rend the earth
And man shall flee, King, Lord, and serf.

But slowly they are routed out
To seek diminishing water spout
And men will die of thirst before
The oceans rise to mount the shore.

And lands will crack and rend anew
You think it strange. It will come true.

And in some far off distant land
Some men - oh such a tiny band
Will have to leave their solid mount
And span the earth, those few to count,
Who survives this (unreadable) and then
Begin the human race again.

But not on land already there
But on ocean beds, stark, dry and bare
Not every soul on Earth will die
As the Dragons tail goes sweeping by.

Not every land on earth will sink
But these will wallow in stench and stink
Of rotting bodies of beast and man
Of vegetation crisped on land.

But the land that rises from the sea
Will be dry and clean and soft and free
Of mankinds' dirt and therefore be
The source of man's new dynasty.

And those that live will ever fear
The dragons tail for many year
But time erases memory
You think it strange. But it will be.

And before the race is built anew
A silver serpent comes to view
And spew out men of like unknown
To mingle with the earth now grown
Cold from its heat and these men can
Enlighten the minds of future man.

To intermingle and show them how
To live and love and thus endow
The children with the second sight.
A natural thing so that they might
Grow graceful, humble and when they do
The Golden Age will start anew.

The dragon's tail is but a sign
For mankind's fall and man's decline.
And before this prophecy is done
I shall be burned at the stake, at one
My body singed and my soul set free
You think I utter blasphemy
You're wrong. These things have come to me
This prophecy will come to be.

And this reminds me describing above the dragon's tail and flooding waters to:

The Revelation
of St. John the Divine
12

The Woman and the Dragon

1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
2 and she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns,and seven crowns upon his heads.
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth:and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 and prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven,
Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time,from the face of the serpent.
15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.16 And the earth helped the woman; and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

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i want DOOM!!!

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Op, let me throw some facts.

I really like your theory but let's be careful not to be overly excited.

Yes, I always agreed that the Mayan calendar must terminate the Long Count at a 13 Ahau day, and of course 21/12/2012 does not fit the profile, but 28/10/2011 or 16/12/2013 fit.

However, the end of Mayan Calendar does not mean nothing. Even if it occurs then in December 2013. The Mayans only had two tablets pertaining to the end date of the Loung Count and these were not discovered in central locations to the Mayans, meaning that whatever they foresee was not so important. Apparently, the end of Long Count should brought the return of their god of Creation and War, Bolon Yokte.

This can mean that Mayan predict that either: alien or aliens would return in that day, AND/OR war would occur (if the God is symbolic rather than literal). This, we do not know.

Interestingly, the period around 2010-2016 is a highly charged square between Uranus and Pluto, which always bring situation of world crises, revolutions, radical personalities and conflict. You can remember the previous alignments of Uranus and Pluto back in the sixties or in the thirties. This fits well with the Mayan prediction of Bolon Yukte.

Also interestingly, in both those days, 16/12/2013 and 4/4/2015 there are alignments of Mars and a Full Moon with the ongoing Uranus/Pluto, respectively in both dates. This increases the energy of the ongoing zeitgeist and crises, and might indeed correlate with more significant events (probably not the end of the world, but something historical, yes).

About comet ISON: the comet will pass at an established orit. No risk at all of danger to Earth, but it might be a major visual show, as the comet might shine as bright as the Moon for a few days. This kind of events has happened many times in medieval times - the only thing it does, is potencial panic to the population.

By the way, in March 2013 there might be another naked eye comet. Still, no danger. And perhaps no show will ever occur, as often these comets turn out to become nothing. Only rarely they do become major visual sights.

Note: I don't care for comments saying BS. You guys are wasting your time coming to these threads just to post those comments. We want serious discussion here.
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Op, let me throw some facts.

I really like your theory but let's be careful not to be overly excited.

Yes, I always agreed that the Mayan calendar must terminate the Long Count at a 13 Ahau day, and of course 21/12/2012 does not fit the profile, but 28/10/2011 or 16/12/2013 fit.

However, the end of Mayan Calendar does not mean nothing. Even if it occurs then in December 2013. The Mayans only had two tablets pertaining to the end date of the Loung Count and these were not discovered in central locations to the Mayans, meaning that whatever they foresee was not so important. Apparently, the end of Long Count should brought the return of their god of Creation and War, Bolon Yokte.

This can mean that Mayan predict that either: alien or aliens would return in that day, AND/OR war would occur (if the God is symbolic rather than literal). This, we do not know.

Interestingly, the period around 2010-2016 is a highly charged square between Uranus and Pluto, which always bring situation of world crises, revolutions, radical personalities and conflict. You can remember the previous alignments of Uranus and Pluto back in the sixties or in the thirties. This fits well with the Mayan prediction of Bolon Yukte.

Also interestingly, in both those days, 16/12/2013 and 4/4/2015 there are alignments of Mars and a Full Moon with the ongoing Uranus/Pluto, respectively in both dates. This increases the energy of the ongoing zeitgeist and crises, and might indeed correlate with more significant events (probably not the end of the world, but something historical, yes).

About comet ISON: the comet will pass at an established orit. No risk at all of danger to Earth, but it might be a major visual show, as the comet might shine as bright as the Moon for a few days. This kind of events has happened many times in medieval times - the only thing it does, is potencial panic to the population.

By the way, in March 2013 there might be another naked eye comet. Still, no danger. And perhaps no show will ever occur, as often these comets turn out to become nothing. Only rarely they do become major visual sights.

Note: I don't care for comments saying BS. You guys are wasting your time coming to these threads just to post those comments. We want serious discussion here.
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Thanks for a refreshingly intelligent post instead of the shill and spam comments. I apprecate it. Interesting how you mentioned 4/4/15. Have you seen my thread related to that date?

Anyway, I know about the Comet coming in March 2013 and I am aware that the ISON Comet wont hit earth or anything like that, but will be a likely spectacular comet. But have you seen that Forbes article about the theory of a comet going into the Solar corona thus creating an CME event that could be much larger than the Carrington 1859 event? Also, interesting isn't it that Solar Max 24 will be at its peak next year around December 2013? Sure, this is all speculation but it really makes you think doesn't it?

Thanks for liking my theory. The numbers don't like. You mentioned Calleman's date. I have already mentioned that date on the first page of this thread. And you are correct, every 260 days falls on a 13 Ahau. Calleman in order to get to his Oct. 28th, 2011 date had to thus change the beginning date, thus throwing out the GMT calculations and the support behind it out into the bath water.

I still leave the GMT calculations in tact but just add another tun year, 360 days to it, thus coming up with the perfect syncronized date of Dec. 16th, 2013

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Something very eye opening in this thread! The hint has to do with the Sun, Mercury, Venus alignment. UH OH!

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The first mayan stone shows a comet in our solar system.

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Then why is the end date written as 4 ahau 3 kankin? It can't be 13 ahau if the date the Mayas wrote was 4 ahau. I know OP doesn't want to listen, but the date was written. The date 4 ahau repeats every 260 days, but if you pair it with the Ha'ab date 3 kankin a day with that name only happens every 52 ha'ab years (solar years 365.25 days long). This means that there is only one year every 52 solar years that can have the name written as the end date by the Mayas, 4 ahau 3 kankin, and this happens in the years named 2 Etznab, which we know was the year in course in 1520. This means that the most recent possible end date was in 1988 and the next time we can have a day with the name written by the Mayas will be in 2040. The 3 kankin tells us what time of the solar year this date falls, in this case, on the 4th day of the month Kankin. Kankin is the 14th solar month. It happens one full Tzolkin cycle after the start of the solar year. The names of the days in Kankin are the same as the names for the days in the solar month Pop, first month of the new year. The way we tell the difference is by the Ha'ab date. The ha'ab date stays pinned to the solar cycle. The same ha'ab date, such as 3 Kankin will happen on the same gregorian calendar date every solar year, but the name of the day will be different. In this case, 3 Kankin is April 12 no matter what the year.

Give it up, OP. You don't know as much as you think you know, and you don't want to learn either. I can tell you from experience that as long as you try to make it fit with your western new age ideas, you will never see just how truly amazing the system of the Mayas is and you will never unravel the real secrets and knowledge it contains.
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The number 0 has no value. The number 2000 has a value. You're an idiot, but the Comet ISON thing is still interesting.
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The number 0 has no value. The number 2000 has a value. You're an idiot, but the Comet ISON thing is still interesting.
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LOL you are the idiot for not even understanding my simple theory that even a 8 year old can understand. I don't need to reexplain myself to you why 0 shouldn't be include in the Mayan Long Count. They ARE using 0 as a value. Reread it again idiot!

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Ok so?
What i don't get is why we assume the end of a calendar means doomsday?!? Fact is, calendars have always been created to keep track of time. They weren't created to predict anything.
So even though you may be right in your conspiracy, I ask , so what now?
Doom on because some stupid outdated calendar ends?
This is why I just can't believe in predicting doomsday

But go on and continue your work, perhaps you will one day uncover the truth!
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Then why is the end date written as 4 ahau 3 kankin? It can't be 13 ahau if the date the Mayas wrote was 4 ahau. I know OP doesn't want to listen, but the date was written. The date 4 ahau repeats every 260 days, but if you pair it with the Ha'ab date 3 kankin a day with that name only happens every 52 ha'ab years (solar years 365.25 days long). This means that there is only one year every 52 solar years that can have the name written as the end date by the Mayas, 4 ahau 3 kankin, and this happens in the years named 2 Etznab, which we know was the year in course in 1520. This means that the most recent possible end date was in 1988 and the next time we can have a day with the name written by the Mayas will be in 2040. The 3 kankin tells us what time of the solar year this date falls, in this case, on the 4th day of the month Kankin. Kankin is the 14th solar month. It happens one full Tzolkin cycle after the start of the solar year. The names of the days in Kankin are the same as the names for the days in the solar month Pop, first month of the new year. The way we tell the difference is by the Ha'ab date. The ha'ab date stays pinned to the solar cycle. The same ha'ab date, such as 3 Kankin will happen on the same gregorian calendar date every solar year, but the name of the day will be different. In this case, 3 Kankin is April 12 no matter what the year.

Give it up, OP. You don't know as much as you think you know, and you don't want to learn either. I can tell you from experience that as long as you try to make it fit with your western new age ideas, you will never see just how truly amazing the system of the Mayas is and you will never unravel the real secrets and knowledge it contains.
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Can you tell me exactly where it says the end date is 4 Ahau, 3 kankin? I don't see that anywhere! Please tell me where, and what stela that is shown?

If you can't tell me where, you should really give it up. I should listen to you with no proof, you saying only a few select Mayans known about your REAL beginning end and end date, and not listen to the GMT correlation that is backed by archaeology, astronomy, and historical evidence? Um ok! LOL

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Ok so?
What i don't get is why we assume the end of a calendar means doomsday?!? Fact is, calendars have always been created to keep track of time. They weren't created to predict anything.
So even though you may be right in your conspiracy, I ask , so what now?
Doom on because some stupid outdated calendar ends?
This is why I just can't believe in predicting doomsday

But go on and continue your work, perhaps you will one day uncover the truth!
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And some people think there is some grand ascension at the end of it, and others think nothing will happen. To each of their own. With this comet occuring right at the end of the cycle next Dec. it really makes you take notice of what could occur. I am clearly not the only one who sees these connections as others clearly thought of these connections months before I did apparently.

But there are things in the Dresden Codex and the Chilam Balam that eludes to something occuring that could be pretty doomsy.
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Then why is the end date written as 4 ahau 3 kankin? It can't be 13 ahau if the date the Mayas wrote was 4 ahau. I know OP doesn't want to listen, but the date was written. The date 4 ahau repeats every 260 days, but if you pair it with the Ha'ab date 3 kankin a day with that name only happens every 52 ha'ab years (solar years 365.25 days long). This means that there is only one year every 52 solar years that can have the name written as the end date by the Mayas, 4 ahau 3 kankin, and this happens in the years named 2 Etznab, which we know was the year in course in 1520. This means that the most recent possible end date was in 1988 and the next time we can have a day with the name written by the Mayas will be in 2040. The 3 kankin tells us what time of the solar year this date falls, in this case, on the 4th day of the month Kankin. Kankin is the 14th solar month. It happens one full Tzolkin cycle after the start of the solar year. The names of the days in Kankin are the same as the names for the days in the solar month Pop, first month of the new year. The way we tell the difference is by the Ha'ab date. The ha'ab date stays pinned to the solar cycle. The same ha'ab date, such as 3 Kankin will happen on the same gregorian calendar date every solar year, but the name of the day will be different. In this case, 3 Kankin is April 12 no matter what the year.

Give it up, OP. You don't know as much as you think you know, and you don't want to learn either. I can tell you from experience that as long as you try to make it fit with your western new age ideas, you will never see just how truly amazing the system of the Mayas is and you will never unravel the real secrets and knowledge it contains.
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No shit every 260 days, 4 Ahau occurs. So does 5 Ahau, 6 Ahau, and so on.

But 13 Ahau is when it cycles back over again. Why would the Tzolkin cycle back over on a 4 Ahau when it is clearly shown the Tzolkin at the end of 260 days ends of 13 Ahau?????????

How hard is that for you not to understand a very simple explanation? I don't get that at all.

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