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# COMET ISON- The Nostradamus Comet At The Time Of The True Mayan Calendar End Date Of 12/16/13 (Something Wicked This Way Cometh!)

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20 kins equal 1 uinal or 20 days
18 uinals equal 1 tun or 360 days
20 tuns equal 1 katun or 7,200 days
20 katuns equal 1 baktun or 144,000 days

Dec. 16th, 2013 minus 1,872,000 days or 144,000 days x 13 baktun cycles = August 5th -3113 B.C.(13 Ahau) All 13 katuns completed!

Dec. 16th, 2013 minus 93,600 days or 7,200 days x 13 cycle katuns = Sept. 9th, 1757 (13 Ahau) All 13 Katuns completed!

Dec. 16th, 2013 minus 4680 days or 360 days x 13 cycle tuns = Feb. 22nd, 2001 (13 Ahau) All 13 Tuns completed!

Dec. 16th, 2013 minus 260 days or 20 days x 13 cycle uinals = March 31st, 2013 (13 Ahau) All 13 Uinals completed!

You see, all the gears rotate perfectly this way. It can't be done if you compute it by Dec. 21st, 2012

To further explain:

"The Tzolkin is a repeating cycle of 260 days which is made up of a cycle of 13 being repeated 20 times. The Tzolkin is read from the top left (1 Imix), down 20 places to the bottom of the first column (7 Ahau) up to the top of the second column (8 Imix) and so on. The cycle of 13 repeats itself in such a way that, over the 260 days, all 20 of the glyphs in the key to the left of the Tzolkin appear 13 times. The 260 day cycle ends with 13 Ahau."

So for the Tzolkin cycle it is 20 periods of 13 days = 260 days.

Everything rotates in this 13 cycle.

At the end of each 260 days is 13 Ahau, which then cycles back over to 1 Imix.

In order for the calendar to reach maximum competion the 20 uinals, the 20 tuns, the 20 katuns, and the 20 baktuns have to be completed in the 13 cycle, all reaching 13 Ahau. Get it?

And as shown above with my calculations, it does! Maximum completion is shown on Dec. 16th, 2013 and can't be done for computing the date of Dec. 21st, 2012.

Not argueing that the calendar didn't start on 4 Ahau is the Tzolkin date and 8 Kumku is the Haab date or August 11, 3114 BCE in the Gregorian calendar.

What I am pointing out is you don't start counting the Long count calendar year at 0 (just like we don't start counting our Gregorian calendar at 0 but instead we start it at year 1). Thus, the Mayan Code has now been cracked!

December 16th, 2013 (13 Ahau Maximum Completion). All 13 Ahaus line up perfectly! The 3 calendars, the Long Count, the Tzolkin, and the Haab all interlock together in perfect order. It is like hitting the jackpot!
Quoting: Revelator Stargate

This is just awesome - it's literally a self-check proof based on the actual internal workings of each cycle of the Mayan calendar, which confirms the otherwise completely separate insight about the misuse of a "zero year" in the 2012 endpoint claim.

WELL DONE!
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Then why is the end date written as 4 ahau 3 kankin? It can't be 13 ahau if the date the Mayas wrote was 4 ahau. I know OP doesn't want to listen, but the date was written. The date 4 ahau repeats every 260 days, but if you pair it with the Ha'ab date 3 kankin a day with that name only happens every 52 ha'ab years (solar years 365.25 days long). This means that there is only one year every 52 solar years that can have the name written as the end date by the Mayas, 4 ahau 3 kankin, and this happens in the years named 2 Etznab, which we know was the year in course in 1520. This means that the most recent possible end date was in 1988 and the next time we can have a day with the name written by the Mayas will be in 2040. The 3 kankin tells us what time of the solar year this date falls, in this case, on the 4th day of the month Kankin. Kankin is the 14th solar month. It happens one full Tzolkin cycle after the start of the solar year. The names of the days in Kankin are the same as the names for the days in the solar month Pop, first month of the new year. The way we tell the difference is by the Ha'ab date. The ha'ab date stays pinned to the solar cycle. The same ha'ab date, such as 3 Kankin will happen on the same gregorian calendar date every solar year, but the name of the day will be different. In this case, 3 Kankin is April 12 no matter what the year.

Give it up, OP. You don't know as much as you think you know, and you don't want to learn either. I can tell you from experience that as long as you try to make it fit with your western new age ideas, you will never see just how truly amazing the system of the Mayas is and you will never unravel the real secrets and knowledge it contains.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10422385

Can you tell me exactly where it says the end date is 4 Ahau, 3 kankin? I don't see that anywhere! Please tell me where, and what stela that is shown?

If you can't tell me where, you should really give it up. I should listen to you with no proof, you saying only a few select Mayans known about your REAL beginning end and end date, and not listen to the GMT correlation that is backed by archaeology, astronomy, and historical evidence? Um ok! LOL
Quoting: Revelator Stargate

Are you going by what Tortuguero Monument 6 said?
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I prefer Bolio's translation as it is the one the people I know and who actually speak the particular language this was written in accept. This is not talking about the end of the cycle. It is talking about the end of a katun, the one called 13 Ahau Katun. There are two whole sets of Katuns in the text you refer to. So why do you choose this Katun 13 instead of the other one? It doesn't say when, and actually the one you are referring to happened around 80 years after the conquest.

Again you are failing to take the solar calender date into consideration for your correlation. You give a date for the Katun 13 as 13.0.0.5.0, but the passage you are referring to is talking about a new Katun, not a day called 13 Ahau. There can be 2 days with that name in a solar year. It is talking about a 7200 day period named after the day it starts on. The fact that your long count date has 5 completed uinals is proof enough that your date is not the start of a katun.

3 Uayeb is the second last day of the solar year. The next day is 4 Uayeb 1 Imix, the last day of the solar year, and since this is a year belonging to the north (we can tell because the first day of every month gives us the symbol of the year in course, so in this case, the year is Etznab) the last day is extended until sunset when the new year belonging to the west begins on 0 Pop 2 Ik. The name of the new solar year is 3 Akbal because day one of the year gives its name to the year. In an earlier post you were saying that the end date 4 ahau 3 kankin falls in December. How do you come to 3 Uayeb falling in March?

Now what I am trying to explain is that you have given a solar calendar date, 3 Uayeb. Every solar year there is a day called 3 Uayeb. And this date will fall on our same calender date every year, or more precisely, it will fall at the exact same point in the solar cycle every year. That is what a solar calendar is for. So this is the component that not only allows us to pinpoint the exact solar calendar date, but also to know what the name of the year in course is, because the series of date names is unique to each of the 52 years.

Whether you believe me or not, the date 3 Uayeb is July 22, and the new year, 0 Pop is July 24th, coinciding with the date that the sun returns to the local southern hemisphere and signals the start of the rainy season.

The Katun 13 doesn't start for a while. We are currently in Katun 2 Ahau. The 13 Baktun was completed on April 12 1988. On this day, 3 kankin, 4 ahau the new katun 4 Ahau began. A new Baktun was counted.
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Then why is the end date written as 4 ahau 3 kankin? It can't be 13 ahau if the date the Mayas wrote was 4 ahau. I know OP doesn't want to listen, but the date was written. The date 4 ahau repeats every 260 days, but if you pair it with the Ha'ab date 3 kankin a day with that name only happens every 52 ha'ab years (solar years 365.25 days long). This means that there is only one year every 52 solar years that can have the name written as the end date by the Mayas, 4 ahau 3 kankin, and this happens in the years named 2 Etznab, which we know was the year in course in 1520. This means that the most recent possible end date was in 1988 and the next time we can have a day with the name written by the Mayas will be in 2040. The 3 kankin tells us what time of the solar year this date falls, in this case, on the 4th day of the month Kankin. Kankin is the 14th solar month. It happens one full Tzolkin cycle after the start of the solar year. The names of the days in Kankin are the same as the names for the days in the solar month Pop, first month of the new year. The way we tell the difference is by the Ha'ab date. The ha'ab date stays pinned to the solar cycle. The same ha'ab date, such as 3 Kankin will happen on the same gregorian calendar date every solar year, but the name of the day will be different. In this case, 3 Kankin is April 12 no matter what the year.

Give it up, OP. You don't know as much as you think you know, and you don't want to learn either. I can tell you from experience that as long as you try to make it fit with your western new age ideas, you will never see just how truly amazing the system of the Mayas is and you will never unravel the real secrets and knowledge it contains.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10422385

No shit every 260 days, 4 Ahau occurs. So does 5 Ahau, 6 Ahau, and so on.

But 13 Ahau is when it cycles back over again. Why would the Tzolkin cycle back over on a 4 Ahau when it is clearly shown the Tzolkin at the end of 260 days ends of 13 Ahau?????????

How hard is that for you not to understand a very simple explanation? I don't get that at all.
Quoting: Revelator Stargate

Oh dear. You really are dense. The start date was 4 ahau, so the end of the cycle is also 4 ahau. Do the counting and you will see I am right, but I can tell you prefer to use a faulty correlation that can't even keep a solar date constant at the same time of year. The way you and the others who use this convoluted formula, a date we call June 8th will move 5.25 days every year. What is the point of a solar calendar that can't tell you what time of year a date falls on? As for your thought that it all must end on 13 Ahau, it's like saying our new year has to end on a Sunday, the last day of the days of the week cycle. Completely preposterous. The end date is given in the Dresden Codex and on tons of monuments as 3 kankin 4 ahau.
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Then why is the end date written as 4 ahau 3 kankin? It can't be 13 ahau if the date the Mayas wrote was 4 ahau. I know OP doesn't want to listen, but the date was written. The date 4 ahau repeats every 260 days, but if you pair it with the Ha'ab date 3 kankin a day with that name only happens every 52 ha'ab years (solar years 365.25 days long). This means that there is only one year every 52 solar years that can have the name written as the end date by the Mayas, 4 ahau 3 kankin, and this happens in the years named 2 Etznab, which we know was the year in course in 1520. This means that the most recent possible end date was in 1988 and the next time we can have a day with the name written by the Mayas will be in 2040. The 3 kankin tells us what time of the solar year this date falls, in this case, on the 4th day of the month Kankin. Kankin is the 14th solar month. It happens one full Tzolkin cycle after the start of the solar year. The names of the days in Kankin are the same as the names for the days in the solar month Pop, first month of the new year. The way we tell the difference is by the Ha'ab date. The ha'ab date stays pinned to the solar cycle. The same ha'ab date, such as 3 Kankin will happen on the same gregorian calendar date every solar year, but the name of the day will be different. In this case, 3 Kankin is April 12 no matter what the year.

Give it up, OP. You don't know as much as you think you know, and you don't want to learn either. I can tell you from experience that as long as you try to make it fit with your western new age ideas, you will never see just how truly amazing the system of the Mayas is and you will never unravel the real secrets and knowledge it contains.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10422385

No shit every 260 days, 4 Ahau occurs. So does 5 Ahau, 6 Ahau, and so on.

But 13 Ahau is when it cycles back over again. Why would the Tzolkin cycle back over on a 4 Ahau when it is clearly shown the Tzolkin at the end of 260 days ends of 13 Ahau?????????

How hard is that for you not to understand a very simple explanation? I don't get that at all.
Quoting: Revelator Stargate

Oh dear. You really are dense. The start date was 4 ahau, so the end of the cycle is also 4 ahau. Do the counting and you will see I am right, but I can tell you prefer to use a faulty correlation that can't even keep a solar date constant at the same time of year. The way you and the others who use this convoluted formula, a date we call June 8th will move 5.25 days every year. What is the point of a solar calendar that can't tell you what time of year a date falls on? As for your thought that it all must end on 13 Ahau, it's like saying our new year has to end on a Sunday, the last day of the days of the week cycle. Completely preposterous. The end date is given in the Dresden Codex and on tons of monuments as 3 kankin 4 ahau.
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Let me get back to you on this and research this more. :)
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Let me get back to you on this and research this more. :)
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Don't bother - he's a shill trying to drown your thread in pseudo-Mayan bullshit.
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Let me get back to you on this and research this more. :)
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Don't bother - he's a shill trying to drown your thread in pseudo-Mayan bullshit.
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Thanks. That is what I thought. For something so far off from the GMT correlation that is backed my astronomy and other factors, it is a little hard to believe or even understand her theory. I mean own a few select Mayan people know about the calendar ending and cycling back over in 1988 according to her. And the start date according to her was 3140 BC. hmmm

My theory is I am not changing the GMT correlation at all. It is correct where it started. Just that I am suggesting we start counting at year 1, not year 0, just like the Gregorian calendar. Or we don't start counting our birthdays at year 0, we say he/she is 1 year old.

And for someone not to understand that the Tzolkin has to sync with the Haab and the Long Count, then I don't know how else to explain that. All 3 calendars have to interlock to come to completion. I have clearly shown this in my example.

Every 260 days in the Tzolkin it ends on 13 Ahau and cycles back over again for another 260 days.

But I will take a stab at her theory later. And might even email a few experts in Mayan calenderics to see if they can even understand it. LOL
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Then why is the end date written as 4 ahau 3 kankin? It can't be 13 ahau if the date the Mayas wrote was 4 ahau. I know OP doesn't want to listen, but the date was written. The date 4 ahau repeats every 260 days, but if you pair it with the Ha'ab date 3 kankin a day with that name only happens every 52 ha'ab years (solar years 365.25 days long). This means that there is only one year every 52 solar years that can have the name written as the end date by the Mayas, 4 ahau 3 kankin, and this happens in the years named 2 Etznab, which we know was the year in course in 1520. This means that the most recent possible end date was in 1988 and the next time we can have a day with the name written by the Mayas will be in 2040. The 3 kankin tells us what time of the solar year this date falls, in this case, on the 4th day of the month Kankin. Kankin is the 14th solar month. It happens one full Tzolkin cycle after the start of the solar year. The names of the days in Kankin are the same as the names for the days in the solar month Pop, first month of the new year. The way we tell the difference is by the Ha'ab date. The ha'ab date stays pinned to the solar cycle. The same ha'ab date, such as 3 Kankin will happen on the same gregorian calendar date every solar year, but the name of the day will be different. In this case, 3 Kankin is April 12 no matter what the year.

Give it up, OP. You don't know as much as you think you know, and you don't want to learn either. I can tell you from experience that as long as you try to make it fit with your western new age ideas, you will never see just how truly amazing the system of the Mayas is and you will never unravel the real secrets and knowledge it contains.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10422385

No shit every 260 days, 4 Ahau occurs. So does 5 Ahau, 6 Ahau, and so on.

But 13 Ahau is when it cycles back over again. Why would the Tzolkin cycle back over on a 4 Ahau when it is clearly shown the Tzolkin at the end of 260 days ends of 13 Ahau?????????

How hard is that for you not to understand a very simple explanation? I don't get that at all.
Quoting: Revelator Stargate

Oh dear. You really are dense. The start date was 4 ahau, so the end of the cycle is also 4 ahau. Do the counting and you will see I am right, but I can tell you prefer to use a faulty correlation that can't even keep a solar date constant at the same time of year. The way you and the others who use this convoluted formula, a date we call June 8th will move 5.25 days every year. What is the point of a solar calendar that can't tell you what time of year a date falls on? As for your thought that it all must end on 13 Ahau, it's like saying our new year has to end on a Sunday, the last day of the days of the week cycle. Completely preposterous. The end date is given in the Dresden Codex and on tons of monuments as 3 kankin 4 ahau.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10422385

You say the start date of 4 Ahau means that the end cycle has to be on 4 Ahau? Sure, the start date in the Mayan Long Count is 4 Ahau on 0.0.0.0.0 and 13.0.0.0.0 is 4 Ahau as well, but what I have been trying to tell you is that one year later or 1 tun later, 360 days or 0.0.1.0.0 it falls on 13 Ahau and the next day is 1 Imix which is known "as the beginning". The counting starts there! Not at 4 Ahau or 0.0.0.0.0. Get it?

Why in the hell would you start counting the Tzolkin at 4 Ahau? It would make the most logical sense if you begin counting it at 13 Ahau or the next day 1 Imix, and at the end date it would be the same as well. 13 Ahau and the next day 1 Imix. Just look at Dec. 16th, 2013. It is 13 Ahau, and the next day, Dec. 17, 2013 is 1 Imix.

The Tzolkin has to interlock with the Long Count. It doesn't by beginning counting at 4 Ahau or ending it at 4 Ahau.

You say tons of monuments and the Dresden Codex has or states the end date of 4 Ahau, 3 Kankin? That is complete bullshit!

The only monument that specifically states that date is Tortuguero Monument 6. Show me where else it is shown? Provide evidence or at least something on the Internet that shows that date in the Dresden Codex or other many other monuments.

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Then why is the end date written as 4 ahau 3 kankin? It can't be 13 ahau if the date the Mayas wrote was 4 ahau. I know OP doesn't want to listen, but the date was written. The date 4 ahau repeats every 260 days, but if you pair it with the Ha'ab date 3 kankin a day with that name only happens every 52 ha'ab years (solar years 365.25 days long). This means that there is only one year every 52 solar years that can have the name written as the end date by the Mayas, 4 ahau 3 kankin, and this happens in the years named 2 Etznab, which we know was the year in course in 1520. This means that the most recent possible end date was in 1988 and the next time we can have a day with the name written by the Mayas will be in 2040. The 3 kankin tells us what time of the solar year this date falls, in this case, on the 4th day of the month Kankin. Kankin is the 14th solar month. It happens one full Tzolkin cycle after the start of the solar year. The names of the days in Kankin are the same as the names for the days in the solar month Pop, first month of the new year. The way we tell the difference is by the Ha'ab date. The ha'ab date stays pinned to the solar cycle. The same ha'ab date, such as 3 Kankin will happen on the same gregorian calendar date every solar year, but the name of the day will be different. In this case, 3 Kankin is April 12 no matter what the year.

Give it up, OP. You don't know as much as you think you know, and you don't want to learn either. I can tell you from experience that as long as you try to make it fit with your western new age ideas, you will never see just how truly amazing the system of the Mayas is and you will never unravel the real secrets and knowledge it contains.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10422385

No shit every 260 days, 4 Ahau occurs. So does 5 Ahau, 6 Ahau, and so on.

But 13 Ahau is when it cycles back over again. Why would the Tzolkin cycle back over on a 4 Ahau when it is clearly shown the Tzolkin at the end of 260 days ends of 13 Ahau?????????

How hard is that for you not to understand a very simple explanation? I don't get that at all.
Quoting: Revelator Stargate

Oh dear. You really are dense. The start date was 4 ahau, so the end of the cycle is also 4 ahau. Do the counting and you will see I am right, but I can tell you prefer to use a faulty correlation that can't even keep a solar date constant at the same time of year. The way you and the others who use this convoluted formula, a date we call June 8th will move 5.25 days every year. What is the point of a solar calendar that can't tell you what time of year a date falls on? As for your thought that it all must end on 13 Ahau, it's like saying our new year has to end on a Sunday, the last day of the days of the week cycle. Completely preposterous. The end date is given in the Dresden Codex and on tons of monuments as 3 kankin 4 ahau.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10422385

You say the start date of 4 Ahau means that the end cycle has to be on 4 Ahau? Sure, the start date in the Mayan Long Count is 4 Ahau on 0.0.0.0.0 and 13.0.0.0.0 is 4 Ahau as well, but what I have been trying to tell you is that one year later or 1 tun later, 360 days or 0.0.1.0.0 it falls on 13 Ahau and the next day is 1 Imix which is known "as the beginning". The counting starts there! Not at 4 Ahau or 0.0.0.0.0. Get it?

Why in the hell would you start counting the Tzolkin at 4 Ahau? It would make the most logical sense if you begin counting it at 13 Ahau or the next day 1 Imix, and at the end date it would be the same as well. 13 Ahau and the next day 1 Imix. Just look at Dec. 16th, 2013. It is 13 Ahau, and the next day, Dec. 17, 2013 is 1 Imix.

The Tzolkin has to interlock with the Long Count. It doesn't by beginning counting at 4 Ahau or ending it at 4 Ahau.

You say tons of monuments and the Dresden Codex has or states the end date of 4 Ahau, 3 Kankin? That is complete bullshit!

The only monument that specifically states that date is Tortuguero Monument 6. Show me where else it is shown? Provide evidence or at least something on the Internet that shows that date in the Dresden Codex or other many other monuments.
Quoting: Revelator Stargate

The date 3 kankin 4 ahau is in the Dresden Codex. It is next to the ring date, it doesn't say 13 Baktun, just the date, but the text tells the story. Even if it wasn't, if you count the days starting from the initial date, 8 cumkhu 4 ahau, counting forward 5128 solar years plus 280 days, which is equivalent to 5200 tun years, this is the date it falls on. I am sure that in the 50 years that I lived on and off in Mexico I have seen a good deal more monuments than you have, some of them undiscovered as yet by anthropologists. Some of the best ones are now under the Angostura dam. I know, it isn't on the net so it isn't true. But the point is, you can arrive at the end date yourself if you count the days. The long count and the Tzolkin/Ha'ab are not the same thing. The long count is a counting system and you can use it to count anything at all. The Tzolkin just names the days like our day names (Monday etc). Forget the crazy formulas that distort the simplicity of the calendar and just do the counting. It is a counting system, and the start time of the different solar years and the way they avoided the leap year day, accounting for the extra day but not counting it as a day is the simple mechanism that keeps the days where they belong on the solar cycle for more than 5000 years. Your correlation can't do this. As for 13 Ahau being the last day, yes, it is the last day of the Tzolkin, but so what? There is a day with that name every 260 days.
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No shit every 260 days, 4 Ahau occurs. So does 5 Ahau, 6 Ahau, and so on.

But 13 Ahau is when it cycles back over again. Why would the Tzolkin cycle back over on a 4 Ahau when it is clearly shown the Tzolkin at the end of 260 days ends of 13 Ahau?????????

How hard is that for you not to understand a very simple explanation? I don't get that at all.
Quoting: Revelator Stargate

Oh dear. You really are dense. The start date was 4 ahau, so the end of the cycle is also 4 ahau. Do the counting and you will see I am right, but I can tell you prefer to use a faulty correlation that can't even keep a solar date constant at the same time of year. The way you and the others who use this convoluted formula, a date we call June 8th will move 5.25 days every year. What is the point of a solar calendar that can't tell you what time of year a date falls on? As for your thought that it all must end on 13 Ahau, it's like saying our new year has to end on a Sunday, the last day of the days of the week cycle. Completely preposterous. The end date is given in the Dresden Codex and on tons of monuments as 3 kankin 4 ahau.
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You say the start date of 4 Ahau means that the end cycle has to be on 4 Ahau? Sure, the start date in the Mayan Long Count is 4 Ahau on 0.0.0.0.0 and 13.0.0.0.0 is 4 Ahau as well, but what I have been trying to tell you is that one year later or 1 tun later, 360 days or 0.0.1.0.0 it falls on 13 Ahau and the next day is 1 Imix which is known "as the beginning". The counting starts there! Not at 4 Ahau or 0.0.0.0.0. Get it?

Why in the hell would you start counting the Tzolkin at 4 Ahau? It would make the most logical sense if you begin counting it at 13 Ahau or the next day 1 Imix, and at the end date it would be the same as well. 13 Ahau and the next day 1 Imix. Just look at Dec. 16th, 2013. It is 13 Ahau, and the next day, Dec. 17, 2013 is 1 Imix.

The Tzolkin has to interlock with the Long Count. It doesn't by beginning counting at 4 Ahau or ending it at 4 Ahau.

You say tons of monuments and the Dresden Codex has or states the end date of 4 Ahau, 3 Kankin? That is complete bullshit!

The only monument that specifically states that date is Tortuguero Monument 6. Show me where else it is shown? Provide evidence or at least something on the Internet that shows that date in the Dresden Codex or other many other monuments.
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The date 3 kankin 4 ahau is in the Dresden Codex. It is next to the ring date, it doesn't say 13 Baktun, just the date, but the text tells the story. Even if it wasn't, if you count the days starting from the initial date, 8 cumkhu 4 ahau, counting forward 5128 solar years plus 280 days, which is equivalent to 5200 tun years, this is the date it falls on. I am sure that in the 50 years that I lived on and off in Mexico I have seen a good deal more monuments than you have, some of them undiscovered as yet by anthropologists. Some of the best ones are now under the Angostura dam. I know, it isn't on the net so it isn't true. But the point is, you can arrive at the end date yourself if you count the days. The long count and the Tzolkin/Ha'ab are not the same thing. The long count is a counting system and you can use it to count anything at all. The Tzolkin just names the days like our day names (Monday etc). Forget the crazy formulas that distort the simplicity of the calendar and just do the counting. It is a counting system, and the start time of the different solar years and the way they avoided the leap year day, accounting for the extra day but not counting it as a day is the simple mechanism that keeps the days where they belong on the solar cycle for more than 5000 years. Your correlation can't do this. As for 13 Ahau being the last day, yes, it is the last day of the Tzolkin, but so what? There is a day with that name every 260 days.
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Well I am sorry but from my research and from others as well, 3 kankin, 4 ahau is not in the Dresden Codex. Apparently you have seen unfound stelas that show that date as well. Very interesting.

All you are going by is that the Haab is the most important calendar, which is only going by a solar cycle. So you are discrediting that the Long Count or the Haab isn't taking in effect the cycles of the moon but just going by a solar cycle? I don't know about that.

And you are completely discrediting the Tzolkin saying all it does is name the days like Monday, etc. Are you freaking kidding me? Seriously? The Tzolkin pre dates the Long Count inscriptions and is consider to be the most important calendar. The Long Count is just like our Gregorian or Julian calendar, where we say the birthday of Christ is 0, but we don't start counting his birthday at 0 but at 1.

The Haab is the solar calendar which is associated with cycles of rain, agriculture, and harvesting. Probabl the least important of the 3 calendars when it comes to signficance.

The Tzolkin is the most important calendar as it apparently tracks the Pleidades alignment and the Venus cycle closely.

"This rise and fall of Venus as a morning star takes 263 days. For the next 50 days, Venus disappears and cannot be seen in the sky at all.

Then, Venus reappears in the evening sky, where it remains for another 263-day phase before disappearing below the horizon for 8 days. At the end of these 8 days, Venus reappears as a morning star, and the cycle begins again.

The entire cycle—263 as a morning star, 50 days absent, 263 days as an evening star, and finally, 8 days absent—takes 584 days, an interval also known as the synodic period of Venus.

It just so happens that the synodic period of Venus (584 days) relates to the orbital period of the earth (365 days) in a relatively simple ratio of 5:8. Five times the synodic period of Venus (5 x 584 days) is 2,920 days. If you divide 2,920 by the 365 days in our year, you get 8. In short, the motions of Venus relative to our sun repeat almost exactly every 8 years. Eight years would have been a useful span of time for ancient sky-watchers, who relied heavily on natural cycles to mark time."

What I would do is lets look it how things line up with this using my end date of Dec. 16th, 2013 shall we? And lets see if we can find something that lines with the heavens above. If we can find this connection, then we will have the real breakthrough!

Lets forget about the the insignificant solar calendar you are talking about since it doesn't even track the relationship with the Moon cycles or eclipse cycles. LOL

But I do have to say, understanding all of this is confusing and time consuming to completely figure out, especially with the Mayan calendars. Lots to decipher.

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My theory of 13 Ahau in the Tzolkin for Dec. 16th, 2013 and the Tzolkin tracking the Venus cycle closely, well this is what we have:
5 15 2012 Retro. Station 14:34 GMT ... 24Ge00
6 6 2012 Inferior Conj. 1:10 GMT ... 15Ge45
6 27 2012 Direct Station 15:07 GMT ... 7Ge29
8 15 2012 Max. Elong. W. 22:42 GMT ... 7Cn46
3 28 2013 Superior Conj. 17:06 GMT ... 8Ar11
11 1 2013 Max. Elong. E. 2:58 GMT ... 25Sg49
12 21 2013 Retro. Station 21:54 GMT ... 28Cp59

Every 584 days the cycle ends and then repeats. Just like how every 260 days the Tzolkin cycles and then repeats. Ending at 13 Ahau and beginning at 1 Imix..

There are 584 days from 5/15/12 Venus retro station to 12/21/13, Venus retro station (back to the same point in the cycle).

Thus it takes two Tzolkin cycles to line up with the Venus Cycle. How?

The Tzolkin is 260 days x 2 = 520 days.

"The periods as evening and morning star each average about 263 days, the disappearance on the near side of the sun is about 8 days, and on the far side is about 50 days, for a total of 584 days for the entire cycle."

So 520 days plus 50 days of the disappeance of the far side of the Sun for Venus, and the disappearance of 8 days on the near side of the Sun = 578 days

There is 5 days missing to add up to 584 days

Where is it at?

"The Haab is a 365 day solar calendar which is divided into 18 months of 20 days each and one month which is only 5 days long (Uayeb)."

There is one month then where they don't count 5 days in the calendar as it is considered unlucky.

578 days plus the missing 5 days = 583 or close enough to the ~584 days of the Venus cycle.

What is very intriguing is that there is 5 days from Dec. 16th, 2013 where I have figured out the ending of the Long Count would be 13.0.1.0.0 to Dec. 21st, 2013 where Venus is at Retrograde Station!

"The Haab' was the Maya solar calendar made up of eighteen months of twenty days each plus a period of five days ("nameless days") at the end of the year known as Wayeb' (or Uayeb in 16th C. orthography). The five days of Wayeb', were thought to be a dangerous time. Foster (2002) writes, "During Wayeb, portals between the mortal realm and the Underworld dissolved. No boundaries prevented the ill-intending deities from causing disasters." To ward off these evil spirits, the Maya had customs and rituals they practiced during Wayeb'. For example, people avoided leaving their houses and washing or combing their hair. Bricker (1982) estimates that the Haab' was first used around 550 BC with a starting point of the winter solstice.[18]

Haab starting point at winter solstice!???

This makes complete sense!

Just look! 13.0.0.0.0 December 21st, 2012
One tun later or 360 days = 13.0.1.0.0 Dec. 16th, 2013 (Those 5 days are gone!) That is how we get from Dec. 21st, 2012 to Dec. 16th, 2013. This means those 5 nameless unlucky days must be from Dec. 16th, 2012 to Dec. 21st, 2013 which is precisely the same day as the winter solstice and the Venus Retrograde Station!

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Dec 21, 2012 we did not have a full moon. Therefor, not a complete galactic alignment. Dec 29, was the date they were predicting. That was the same day that planet X surfaced, and then turned right back around. Dec 16, 2013... hmmm. interesting theory.
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Dec 21, 2012 we did not have a full moon. Therefor, not a complete galactic alignment. Dec 29, was the date they were predicting. That was the same day that planet X surfaced, and then turned right back around. Dec 16, 2013... hmmm. interesting theory.
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And guess what??? We have a full moon on Dec. 16th, 2013!!! It could be considered what is known as the 13th moon.

And......"Ophiuchus has sometimes been used in sidereal astrology as a thirteenth sign in addition to the twelve signs of the tropical Zodiac, because the eponymous constellation Ophiuchus ("Serpent-bearer") as defined by the 1930 IAU constellation boundaries is situated behind the sun between November 29 and December 17.

And we have the year as 2013

With the 13 Ahau falling on Dec. 16th, 2013

And the 13th baktun!!

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Ok so?
What i don't get is why we assume the end of a calendar means doomsday?!? Fact is, calendars have always been created to keep track of time. They weren't created to predict anything.
So even though you may be right in your conspiracy, I ask , so what now?
Doom on because some stupid outdated calendar ends?
This is why I just can't believe in predicting doomsday

But go on and continue your work, perhaps you will one day uncover the truth!
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Well, great! Now would you please quit dribbling your spew from your pie hole. You have argued it to death and I'm sick of reading your miles of crap. You were wrong. Plain and simple.

Now, to further your humiliation, OP NEVER said it was the "end of the world". He said it's marking something important (obviously) and had you educated yourself of the post the OP mentioned concerning the Blood Moon and 2015-2016, you would have realized that is what the OP has BEEN stating.

You're clinging to 1988 in hopes that your faux Mayan mate has some secret knowledge that the world does not have that makes him more "Mayan" than any Mayans walking the planet. Get over it, your mate and yourself have bought into bullshit and you're behind the curve. Enjoy and STFU!!!

M,kay?
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OP you really should leave the Mayans out of your delusions. The alignment happened in August of 1987, just months before the end of the calendar. The Ha'ab is the most important calendar because it can predict real events that affect the people that live there. The Venus cycle is directly connected to the Ha'ab, a full Venus cycle is 104 years, or 2 x 52 years. There is even an old song about Venus and the sun. You don't know the language or anyone that speaks it. You are only going by what white westerners have "discovered" but you don't listen to anyone who is native and knows their own culture. If I wrote a book about your grandmother and said stupid things about her, you would want to defend her. That's all I am doing, trying to uphold the truth in the face of your silliness and insults. But you don't care about real people, you just use the ancestor's knowledge, pervert it and then crow about how much better you know than they did because of some wikepedia entry. I'll just shuffle off to the reservation where I belong and stop annoying the cashlan.
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OP you really should leave the Mayans out of your delusions. The alignment happened in August of 1987, just months before the end of the calendar. The Ha'ab is the most important calendar because it can predict real events that affect the people that live there. The Venus cycle is directly connected to the Ha'ab, a full Venus cycle is 104 years, or 2 x 52 years. There is even an old song about Venus and the sun. You don't know the language or anyone that speaks it. You are only going by what white westerners have "discovered" but you don't listen to anyone who is native and knows their own culture. If I wrote a book about your grandmother and said stupid things about her, you would want to defend her. That's all I am doing, trying to uphold the truth in the face of your silliness and insults. But you don't care about real people, you just use the ancestor's knowledge, pervert it and then crow about how much better you know than they did because of some wikepedia entry. I'll just shuffle off to the reservation where I belong and stop annoying the cashlan.
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Interesting how your mate and maybe a handful of others don't even agree with the majority of Mayans. I wonder how the majority of MAYANS would feel about how YOU speak for all. I'm sure it drives you nuts that NO ONE buys your crap.

I'm Irish but do not speak for all Irish nor do I think my view is completely the ONLY view of Irish history. Thousands of years pass and you think YOU are the only one to have it right.

Now quit playing wishful dress-up Mayan and run along. There's a reason nobody will listen. Start your own thread, oh ya, that didn't go so well.
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Of course I realize it. Very few people, including Mayas are aware of this. Only a handful of people in Yucatan, Belize, the Tenec lands and some of the grandfather nations like the Mam know anything about the calendar. They have continued to erect stones and tally the years in secret since the fall of the Triple Alliance in 1460. The astronomical events that marked the true end date was the so called harmonic convergence in Aug 1987, when all of the inner planets were conjunct each other and the sun in the space of a few days. The new agers of the day were dancing nude in the moonlight trampling pyramids and going on about how this event was preparation for the 2012 doom date. I have to tell you that the people in the know had a really good laugh about that, they still laugh about it. The real date was here and everyone was celebrating a bogus event and "preparing" for a wrong calendar date of doom, when the real thing was happening.

Just to be clear, I am not Mayan. I am half Canadian native and half Mexican native. I married a Yucatecan Maya and have lived in Mayan regions on and off for 50 years. My father in law was one of the men who knows where the stones are and he took me with him to the ceremony because they needed an interpreter for the people from Belize, since the Mayan they speak is not understood by the Yucatec Mayas of today.
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You are the "special" one. There is no Mayan knowledge but through you Miss Canada. We believe, we believe, we believe...
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OP you really should leave the Mayans out of your delusions. The alignment happened in August of 1987, just months before the end of the calendar. The Ha'ab is the most important calendar because it can predict real events that affect the people that live there. The Venus cycle is directly connected to the Ha'ab, a full Venus cycle is 104 years, or 2 x 52 years. There is even an old song about Venus and the sun. You don't know the language or anyone that speaks it. You are only going by what white westerners have "discovered" but you don't listen to anyone who is native and knows their own culture. If I wrote a book about your grandmother and said stupid things about her, you would want to defend her. That's all I am doing, trying to uphold the truth in the face of your silliness and insults. But you don't care about real people, you just use the ancestor's knowledge, pervert it and then crow about how much better you know than they did because of some wikepedia entry. I'll just shuffle off to the reservation where I belong and stop annoying the cashlan.
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It looks like others too are tired of your bullshit. Calling me delusional? LOL So all the other people out there, including the majority of the Mayans that use the GMT correlation are delusional as well? Get real!

Apparently it looks like YOU are the one that is delusional saying you have seen monuments in the Mayan secret locations that nobody has yet found, saying there are many references to 4 Ahau, 3 Kankin when there is only one specific monument that says that, and also saying only a few "special" Mayans know about your calendar.

And you place so much importance on your solar calendar that you say falls on the same exact day every year but you completely disregard that the Tzolkin and the Haab have to be in sync in order to get the correct beginning and ending spots (WHICH I HAVE CLEARLY SHOWN IN PREVIOUS EXAMPLES!) Obviously you don't get that at all and that right there totally discredits your theory and your secret Mayan knowledge.

I mean seriously, you are like another New Jerusalem Russ. Just as bad! A New Jerusalem Russ post on my thread coming in 3...2....1?

Let me repeat this again so you get this through your dense head. Start your own FREAKIN' GLP thread and clearly explain your theory and stop pissing on mine ok??????????????

And oh yeah!

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Ok so?
What i don't get is why we assume the end of a calendar means doomsday?!? Fact is, calendars have always been created to keep track of time. They weren't created to predict anything.
So even though you may be right in your conspiracy, I ask , so what now?
Doom on because some stupid outdated calendar ends?
This is why I just can't believe in predicting doomsday

But go on and continue your work, perhaps you will one day uncover the truth!
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Well, great! Now would you please quit dribbling your spew from your pie hole. You have argued it to death and I'm sick of reading your miles of crap. You were wrong. Plain and simple.

Now, to further your humiliation, OP NEVER said it was the "end of the world". He said it's marking something important (obviously) and had you educated yourself of the post the OP mentioned concerning the Blood Moon and 2015-2016, you would have realized that is what the OP has BEEN stating.

You're clinging to 1988 in hopes that your faux Mayan mate has some secret knowledge that the world does not have that makes him more "Mayan" than any Mayans walking the planet. Get over it, your mate and yourself have bought into bullshit and you're behind the curve. Enjoy and STFU!!!

M,kay?
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Thank you AC for reading and that you clearly get it. Excellent post. And you have seen my 2015 Blood Red Moon thread.

There are a couple of things that could happen around Dec. 16th, 2013. It is all pure speculation but there are things that make you wonder, especially about this comet swinging by so close to Earth during that date.

A few possible events that could happen during Dec. 2013:

1) The sun-grazing Comet ISON breaks solar corona and causes a significant CME event larger than the 1859 Carrington solar flare event, thus wiping out electronics and electricity on Earth due to the shockwave. The majority of the Earth goes back to living in the Stone Ages.

2) Nothing occurs. Comet ISON breaks up when approaching the Sun like Comet Elenin did and becomes a complete non event.

3) Comet ISON makes a spectacular once in a lifetime display. Shines brighter than the full moon and we will be able to the Comet during daylight!

4) The Comet sighting ushers in major war. World War 3? Something happening to Israel? Numerous Nostradamus Quatrains eludes to major war and the Pope dying during the time of a major comet passing.

5) The Comet breaks up due to a solar CME. It breaks the 20 mile wide ISON apart. Its large comet fragments come crashing towards Earth. A large Tungska event would occur or a Comet fragment could crash into the sea, creating a tsunami like event flooding many areas. There are a few references in Nostradamus that eludes to this, as well in the Book of Revelation, Mother Shipton, and the last codex in the Dresden Codex that shows a flood occuring. This could also be what Bolon Yokute is.

Or....it could be by Dec. 2013 the stock market is at 17,000, the Fed keeps printing money and pumping it, the rich keep on getting richer, while the middle class and the poor gets more shafted. And Obama is still golfing and playing basketball every other day with the Senate getting nothing done as usual.

Although before Dec. 2013 occurs, I have my eyes set on late July for a few very important reasons.

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Although before Dec. 2013 occurs, I have my eyes set on late July for a few very important reasons.

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Although before Dec. 2013 occurs, I have my eyes set on late July for a few very important reasons.

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There are a couple of things that could happen around Dec. 16th, 2013. It is all pure speculation but there are things that make you wonder, especially about this comet swinging by so close to Earth during that date.

A few possible events that could happen during Dec. 2013:

1) The sun-grazing Comet ISON breaks solar corona and causes a significant CME event larger than the 1859 Carrington solar flare event, thus wiping out electronics and electricity on Earth due to the shockwave. The majority of the Earth goes back to living in the Stone Ages.

2) Nothing occurs. Comet ISON breaks up when approaching the Sun like Comet Elenin did and becomes a complete non event.

3) Comet ISON makes a spectacular once in a lifetime display. Shines brighter than the full moon and we will be able to the Comet during daylight!

4) The Comet sighting ushers in major war. World War 3? Something happening to Israel? Numerous Nostradamus Quatrains eludes to major war and the Pope dying during the time of a major comet passing.

5) The Comet breaks up due to a solar CME. It breaks the 20 mile wide ISON apart. Its large comet fragments come crashing towards Earth. A large Tungska event would occur or a Comet fragment could crash into the sea, creating a tsunami like event flooding many areas. There are a few references in Nostradamus that eludes to this, as well in the Book of Revelation, Mother Shipton, and the last codex in the Dresden Codex that shows a flood occuring. This could also be what Bolon Yokute is.

Or....it could be by Dec. 2013 the stock market is at 17,000, the Fed keeps printing money and pumping it, the rich keep on getting richer, while the middle class and the poor gets more shafted. And Obama is still golfing and playing basketball every other day with the Senate getting nothing done as usual.
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Or these astronomical alignments could have been calculated and foreseen by advanced races of ETs, and deliberately used as a marker for when they would arrive again, or reveal themselves, or whatever. It would be a marker that could not be changed over time, and that they could orient with from anywhere in the galaxy.

Why they would go away and come back, or hide and reveal themselves, or both, is subject to speculation. But many ancient Earth cultures speak of their existence and presence especially at times of changes in the "world cycles." and TPTB certainly wouldn't want anyone to know, which would explain all of the hiding or destroying of this information over the centuries.

All in all, things could get very interesting next December.
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There are a couple of things that could happen around Dec. 16th, 2013. It is all pure speculation but there are things that make you wonder, especially about this comet swinging by so close to Earth during that date.

A few possible events that could happen during Dec. 2013:

1) The sun-grazing Comet ISON breaks solar corona and causes a significant CME event larger than the 1859 Carrington solar flare event, thus wiping out electronics and electricity on Earth due to the shockwave. The majority of the Earth goes back to living in the Stone Ages.

2) Nothing occurs. Comet ISON breaks up when approaching the Sun like Comet Elenin did and becomes a complete non event.

3) Comet ISON makes a spectacular once in a lifetime display. Shines brighter than the full moon and we will be able to the Comet during daylight!

4) The Comet sighting ushers in major war. World War 3? Something happening to Israel? Numerous Nostradamus Quatrains eludes to major war and the Pope dying during the time of a major comet passing.

5) The Comet breaks up due to a solar CME. It breaks the 20 mile wide ISON apart. Its large comet fragments come crashing towards Earth. A large Tungska event would occur or a Comet fragment could crash into the sea, creating a tsunami like event flooding many areas. There are a few references in Nostradamus that eludes to this, as well in the Book of Revelation, Mother Shipton, and the last codex in the Dresden Codex that shows a flood occuring. This could also be what Bolon Yokute is.

Or....it could be by Dec. 2013 the stock market is at 17,000, the Fed keeps printing money and pumping it, the rich keep on getting richer, while the middle class and the poor gets more shafted. And Obama is still golfing and playing basketball every other day with the Senate getting nothing done as usual.
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Or these astronomical alignments could have been calculated and foreseen by advanced races of ETs, and deliberately used as a marker for when they would arrive again, or reveal themselves, or whatever. It would be a marker that could not be changed over time, and that they could orient with from anywhere in the galaxy.

Why they would go away and come back, or hide and reveal themselves, or both, is subject to speculation. But many ancient Earth cultures speak of their existence and presence especially at times of changes in the "world cycles." and TPTB certainly wouldn't want anyone to know, which would explain all of the hiding or destroying of this information over the centuries.

All in all, things could get very interesting next December.
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The Mother Shipton prophecy eludes to that occuring. And maybe the 144,000 chosen ones in the Book of Revelation could be it too.

Interesting isn't it, that the 144,000 final and 13th Batun cycle ends, and the Book of Revelation mentions the same exact number of 144,000.

If I am right, which I think I am with this Dec. 16th, 2013 date, then maybe that is the day, the 144,000 comes whomever they maybe be on the final 144,000 baktun date!
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There are a couple of things that could happen around Dec. 16th, 2013. It is all pure speculation but there are things that make you wonder, especially about this comet swinging by so close to Earth during that date.

A few possible events that could happen during Dec. 2013:

1) The sun-grazing Comet ISON breaks solar corona and causes a significant CME event larger than the 1859 Carrington solar flare event, thus wiping out electronics and electricity on Earth due to the shockwave. The majority of the Earth goes back to living in the Stone Ages.

2) Nothing occurs. Comet ISON breaks up when approaching the Sun like Comet Elenin did and becomes a complete non event.

3) Comet ISON makes a spectacular once in a lifetime display. Shines brighter than the full moon and we will be able to the Comet during daylight!

4) The Comet sighting ushers in major war. World War 3? Something happening to Israel? Numerous Nostradamus Quatrains eludes to major war and the Pope dying during the time of a major comet passing.

5) The Comet breaks up due to a solar CME. It breaks the 20 mile wide ISON apart. Its large comet fragments come crashing towards Earth. A large Tungska event would occur or a Comet fragment could crash into the sea, creating a tsunami like event flooding many areas. There are a few references in Nostradamus that eludes to this, as well in the Book of Revelation, Mother Shipton, and the last codex in the Dresden Codex that shows a flood occuring. This could also be what Bolon Yokute is.

Or....it could be by Dec. 2013 the stock market is at 17,000, the Fed keeps printing money and pumping it, the rich keep on getting richer, while the middle class and the poor gets more shafted. And Obama is still golfing and playing basketball every other day with the Senate getting nothing done as usual.
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Or these astronomical alignments could have been calculated and foreseen by advanced races of ETs, and deliberately used as a marker for when they would arrive again, or reveal themselves, or whatever. It would be a marker that could not be changed over time, and that they could orient with from anywhere in the galaxy.

Why they would go away and come back, or hide and reveal themselves, or both, is subject to speculation. But many ancient Earth cultures speak of their existence and presence especially at times of changes in the "world cycles." and TPTB certainly wouldn't want anyone to know, which would explain all of the hiding or destroying of this information over the centuries.

All in all, things could get very interesting next December.
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The Mother Shipton prophecy eludes to that occuring. And maybe the 144,000 chosen ones in the Book of Revelation could be it too.

Interesting isn't it, that the 144,000 final and 13th Batun cycle ends, and the Book of Revelation mentions the same exact number of 144,000.

If I am right, which I think I am with this Dec. 16th, 2013 date, then maybe that is the day, the 144,000 comes whomever they maybe be on the final 144,000 baktun date!
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Interesting is a little low on the excitement meter in opinion! YA! Amazing to be alive today! This is pretty huge.

I'll ask again in the interest of knowledge your piecing together, what do you think may happen in July. I'm sincerely thinking you are on to something more and I don't like surprises. I think we are supposed to know (unlike many) and it was placed there for us to know at the right time. It was locked up as Daniel said (not forever like many want to believe), until the time of the end. Well, it may just be that now.
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OP, You've put some thought into this and I thank you for your input.

We'll see what happens. Something like this isn't worth arguing about. Que sera, sera.

If we have a huge event or change of civilization near the Dec. 2013 date, it may be related. One thing for sure, people are geared psychically for something in the wind, and 2012 didn't even make a dent in it. Still feels like we're on the runway waiting for take-off.
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There are a couple of things that could happen around Dec. 16th, 2013. It is all pure speculation but there are things that make you wonder, especially about this comet swinging by so close to Earth during that date.

A few possible events that could happen during Dec. 2013:

1) The sun-grazing Comet ISON breaks solar corona and causes a significant CME event larger than the 1859 Carrington solar flare event, thus wiping out electronics and electricity on Earth due to the shockwave. The majority of the Earth goes back to living in the Stone Ages.

2) Nothing occurs. Comet ISON breaks up when approaching the Sun like Comet Elenin did and becomes a complete non event.

3) Comet ISON makes a spectacular once in a lifetime display. Shines brighter than the full moon and we will be able to the Comet during daylight!

4) The Comet sighting ushers in major war. World War 3? Something happening to Israel? Numerous Nostradamus Quatrains eludes to major war and the Pope dying during the time of a major comet passing.

5) The Comet breaks up due to a solar CME. It breaks the 20 mile wide ISON apart. Its large comet fragments come crashing towards Earth. A large Tungska event would occur or a Comet fragment could crash into the sea, creating a tsunami like event flooding many areas. There are a few references in Nostradamus that eludes to this, as well in the Book of Revelation, Mother Shipton, and the last codex in the Dresden Codex that shows a flood occuring. This could also be what Bolon Yokute is.

Or....it could be by Dec. 2013 the stock market is at 17,000, the Fed keeps printing money and pumping it, the rich keep on getting richer, while the middle class and the poor gets more shafted. And Obama is still golfing and playing basketball every other day with the Senate getting nothing done as usual.
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Or these astronomical alignments could have been calculated and foreseen by advanced races of ETs, and deliberately used as a marker for when they would arrive again, or reveal themselves, or whatever. It would be a marker that could not be changed over time, and that they could orient with from anywhere in the galaxy.

Why they would go away and come back, or hide and reveal themselves, or both, is subject to speculation. But many ancient Earth cultures speak of their existence and presence especially at times of changes in the "world cycles." and TPTB certainly wouldn't want anyone to know, which would explain all of the hiding or destroying of this information over the centuries.

All in all, things could get very interesting next December.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1610534

The Mother Shipton prophecy eludes to that occuring. And maybe the 144,000 chosen ones in the Book of Revelation could be it too.

Interesting isn't it, that the 144,000 final and 13th Batun cycle ends, and the Book of Revelation mentions the same exact number of 144,000.

If I am right, which I think I am with this Dec. 16th, 2013 date, then maybe that is the day, the 144,000 comes whomever they maybe be on the final 144,000 baktun date!
Quoting: Revelator Stargate

Interesting is a little low on the excitement meter in opinion! YA! Amazing to be alive today! This is pretty huge.

I'll ask again in the interest of knowledge your piecing together, what do you think may happen in July. I'm sincerely thinking you are on to something more and I don't like surprises. I think we are supposed to know (unlike many) and it was placed there for us to know at the right time. It was locked up as Daniel said (not forever like many want to believe), until the time of the end. Well, it may just be that now.
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Lets just say it is pretty disturbing with the connections I have found. If I show it , could it mean it will be a self fulfilling prophecy? Or if I lay it all out, the powerful force of the GLP effect saves the day again!?
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Glp ffect lol... Plenty of things that couldnt be debunked still never happened. Mankind is so sure of its dominance and ignorance. A civilization who couldnt even predict their own demise... Gets trusted to tell us ours.

Glp effect!!!
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