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MAJOR SANDY HOOK DEVELOPMENT

 
New Age Messiah

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Okay, I was going to start my own Sandy Hook thread, because I have a lead on getting some inside info. Turns out I talked to my mom today (actually yesterday, because it's already tomorrow), and she told me my sister and brother in law know someone who works at the school. And I said to my mom, "so this person must not have been there that day?" And she says, "no, she WAS, she was in the office." But didn't get killed. And I said, "so did you ask them what she saw and how she managed to not get killed?" And my mom says, "no, I didn't want to upset them."

AAARRGH! So I'm willing to call and ask, but I was going to canvas GLP and ask what you want me to ask. But since I wasn't encouraged to start a new thread I'm stuck posting in this random one, which I doubt I will even remember which one it was, plus it's somewhere in the middle so most people won't even see my question. So I'm kinda bummed because I feel like, what if I find out something important?

Ah. I guess I'll just go wrap Christmas presents. And when I call the relatives and find out whatever I find out, maybe I'll post it in a Mayan Doom thread. Sorry, I'm all in a bad mood because I can't have my own thread, although to be honest who knows what they'll say, maybe their friend is in a state of shock and not talking.

Sigh.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28649819


You should be able to have your own thread. That's weird.

Timeline between hearing gunshots (if heard) and police arriving. The actual police reporting stuff says TWENTY MINUTES between the first call and when they arrived.
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Thank you! I will ask that question. (also if she saw the shooter) Hopefully I can report back tomorrow because I really don't want to talk about this on Christmas Eve. Thanks!
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Okay, I was going to start my own Sandy Hook thread, because I have a lead on getting some inside info. Turns out I talked to my mom today (actually yesterday, because it's already tomorrow), and she told me my sister and brother in law know someone who works at the school. And I said to my mom, "so this person must not have been there that day?" And she says, "no, she WAS, she was in the office." But didn't get killed. And I said, "so did you ask them what she saw and how she managed to not get killed?" And my mom says, "no, I didn't want to upset them."

AAARRGH! So I'm willing to call and ask, but I was going to canvas GLP and ask what you want me to ask. But since I wasn't encouraged to start a new thread I'm stuck posting in this random one, which I doubt I will even remember which one it was, plus it's somewhere in the middle so most people won't even see my question. So I'm kinda bummed because I feel like, what if I find out something important?

Ah. I guess I'll just go wrap Christmas presents. And when I call the relatives and find out whatever I find out, maybe I'll post it in a Mayan Doom thread. Sorry, I'm all in a bad mood because I can't have my own thread, although to be honest who knows what they'll say, maybe their friend is in a state of shock and not talking.

Sigh.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28649819


Did she ID Adam Lanza?
Did the shooter wear a mask?
Could there have been more than one shooter?
Did she see what car the shooter arrived in?
Did the shooter shoot through the glass or did someone buzz him in?
Where did she go while Adam was in the classrooms?
How did the intercom get switched on?
How many guns was the shooter carrying?
How big was the shooter?
What time did the shooting begin?
What time did the first police arrive?
Was she the one that made the 911 call?
Was there an altercation with Adam Lanza the day before?
Does anyone at the school know Chris Rodia?
Did she see Chris Manfredonia that day?
The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank."

The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects.

The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard.
The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass.
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I wonder if it might be worthwhile to contact the author of the two conflicting Courant articles. His name is Edmund H. Mahoney and his e-mail is emahoney@courant.com. I'd be very interested to hear his explanation for the glaring discrepancy.
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Okay, I was going to start my own Sandy Hook thread, because I have a lead on getting some inside info. Turns out I talked to my mom today (actually yesterday, because it's already tomorrow), and she told me my sister and brother in law know someone who works at the school. And I said to my mom, "so this person must not have been there that day?" And she says, "no, she WAS, she was in the office." But didn't get killed. And I said, "so did you ask them what she saw and how she managed to not get killed?" And my mom says, "no, I didn't want to upset them."

AAARRGH! So I'm willing to call and ask, but I was going to canvas GLP and ask what you want me to ask. But since I wasn't encouraged to start a new thread I'm stuck posting in this random one, which I doubt I will even remember which one it was, plus it's somewhere in the middle so most people won't even see my question. So I'm kinda bummed because I feel like, what if I find out something important?

Ah. I guess I'll just go wrap Christmas presents. And when I call the relatives and find out whatever I find out, maybe I'll post it in a Mayan Doom thread. Sorry, I'm all in a bad mood because I can't have my own thread, although to be honest who knows what they'll say, maybe their friend is in a state of shock and not talking.

Sigh.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28649819


Did she ID Adam Lanza?
Did the shooter wear a mask?
Could there have been more than one shooter?
Did she see what car the shooter arrived in?
Did the shooter shoot through the glass or did someone buzz him in?
Where did she go while Adam was in the classrooms?
How did the intercom get switched on?
How many guns was the shooter carrying?
How big was the shooter?
What time did the shooting begin?
What time did the first police arrive?
Was she the one that made the 911 call?
Was there an altercation with Adam Lanza the day before?
Does anyone at the school know Chris Rodia?
Did she see Chris Manfredonia that day?
 Quoting: Jonny Blaze


Also, if she'll go on the record. Otherwise, it's an anonymous source from an anonymous source, and what good is that?
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Thank you! I will ask that question. (also if she saw the shooter) Hopefully I can report back tomorrow because I really don't want to talk about this on Christmas Eve. Thanks!
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Tell her to go to sandyhookhoax.com lmao
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Also- regardless of how many kids were killed in Soto's class, or how many stayed hiding out in closets found by LE, those six "additional" kids who made a run for it....why wouldn't the shooter go for them as well? How did they manage to escape to Dr Rosen's? With the speed and accuracy of the shooter, he could've easily shot them before taking his own life....why wouldn't he?
As another poster mentioned - If Soto hid ALL her kids in closets and those six got out of the closet/cabinet to flee, they would expose their hiding spot to the shooter. Why wouldn't he then shoot the kids in the cabinet?
Also - now knowing that students from Soto's class were killed as well as Ms Soto, how did those six who escaped to Dr. Rosen's not have any blood on them? Blood spray from the others killed, running through pools of blood, etc etc? None of Rosen's interviews mention anything about blood and in fact he stated (well at least in ONE of his many changing interviews) that he didn't have any idea what happened other than the kids telling him Ms Soto is dead. No mention of any kind of blood on them.

AND - to go along with all the conflicting reports of how bodies were identified..... official story is that photos of distinctive body parts were shown to parents to identify. Local news here reported that parents would supply LE with photos of their kids and allow LE to do the identifying.
I can possibly understand parents not wanting to see their child in such a brutal condition, but out of 20 sets of parents, not one parent protested this? I mean, even if you don't want to see your child like that, you wouldn't be at all concerned that considering 20 kids died, you are getting to bury your actual child and not a wrongfully identified child? These parents interviewed keep saying they were fine with not seeing the body, and want to remember them the way they were and that is closure for them. Closure for me at least couldnt start until I know my child was returned to me, and that I am laying my child to rest.

This story is so surreal. So many lies, so much BS and people are just eating it up. Although I have had my doubts on many stories (9/11, bin laden's death, etc) I never read too much into it...until the events at Sandy Hook and all the blatant lies and flip flopping stories. I'm now questioning everything about this country.


One more thing - I really don't have tons of time to devote to researching this unfortunately, however I did have an idea about where to start looking for more info and clues. I will try my best to start looking out but I want to let you all know so maybe someone else with more time can assist.....
Keep checking up on grieving parent, or loss of child sites/forums, etc. If this tragedy did happen, and the parents of the victims(especially the moms) are genuine grieving parents it may only be a matter of time before the initial shock wears off and they start questioning everything they were force fed by officials and things start not making sense to them. They may possibly feel duped and alone and not know where to turn considering that a vast majority of the people are followers of what the news tells them. They may reach out online in the venues I mentioned above. People could pose as parents in similar situations and befriend them in hopes of getting real raw emotions, clues, insider info, etc. It sounds really awful, I know, but I think you could get more info that way rather than direct contact with these people as others have mentioned.... just a thought.
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Also- regardless of how many kids were killed in Soto's class, or how many stayed hiding out in closets found by LE, those six "additional" kids who made a run for it....why wouldn't the shooter go for them as well? How did they manage to escape to Dr Rosen's? With the speed and accuracy of the shooter, he could've easily shot them before taking his own life....why wouldn't he?
As another poster mentioned - If Soto hid ALL her kids in closets and those six got out of the closet/cabinet to flee, they would expose their hiding spot to the shooter. Why wouldn't he then shoot the kids in the cabinet?
Also - now knowing that students from Soto's class were killed as well as Ms Soto, how did those six who escaped to Dr. Rosen's not have any blood on them? Blood spray from the others killed, running through pools of blood, etc etc? None of Rosen's interviews mention anything about blood and in fact he stated (well at least in ONE of his many changing interviews) that he didn't have any idea what happened other than the kids telling him Ms Soto is dead. No mention of any kind of blood on them.

AND - to go along with all the conflicting reports of how bodies were identified..... official story is that photos of distinctive body parts were shown to parents to identify. Local news here reported that parents would supply LE with photos of their kids and allow LE to do the identifying.
I can possibly understand parents not wanting to see their child in such a brutal condition, but out of 20 sets of parents, not one parent protested this? I mean, even if you don't want to see your child like that, you wouldn't be at all concerned that considering 20 kids died, you are getting to bury your actual child and not a wrongfully identified child? These parents interviewed keep saying they were fine with not seeing the body, and want to remember them the way they were and that is closure for them. Closure for me at least couldnt start until I know my child was returned to me, and that I am laying my child to rest.

This story is so surreal. So many lies, so much BS and people are just eating it up. Although I have had my doubts on many stories (9/11, bin laden's death, etc) I never read too much into it...until the events at Sandy Hook and all the blatant lies and flip flopping stories. I'm now questioning everything about this country.


One more thing - I really don't have tons of time to devote to researching this unfortunately, however I did have an idea about where to start looking for more info and clues. I will try my best to start looking out but I want to let you all know so maybe someone else with more time can assist.....
Keep checking up on grieving parent, or loss of child sites/forums, etc. If this tragedy did happen, and the parents of the victims(especially the moms) are genuine grieving parents it may only be a matter of time before the initial shock wears off and they start questioning everything they were force fed by officials and things start not making sense to them. They may possibly feel duped and alone and not know where to turn considering that a vast majority of the people are followers of what the news tells them. They may reach out online in the venues I mentioned above. People could pose as parents in similar situations and befriend them in hopes of getting real raw emotions, clues, insider info, etc. It sounds really awful, I know, but I think you could get more info that way rather than direct contact with these people as others have mentioned.... just a thought.
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Great questions raised. I'm much like yourself in terms of my viewpoint on all this; I feel compelled to dig...
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Also- regardless of how many kids were killed in Soto's class, or how many stayed hiding out in closets found by LE, those six "additional" kids who made a run for it....why wouldn't the shooter go for them as well? How did they manage to escape to Dr Rosen's? With the speed and accuracy of the shooter, he could've easily shot them before taking his own life....why wouldn't he?
As another poster mentioned - If Soto hid ALL her kids in closets and those six got out of the closet/cabinet to flee, they would expose their hiding spot to the shooter. Why wouldn't he then shoot the kids in the cabinet?
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According to Aidan's parents, not all of the kids were hiding closets. Some of them were lined up against the far wall of the classroom. At one point, the gun stopped working, and the kids managed to run past him while he was reloading/fixing it.

So, it appears that some kids did manage to escape. But, IMO, it was 3 kids, not 6.
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Also- regardless of how many kids were killed in Soto's class, or how many stayed hiding out in closets found by LE, those six "additional" kids who made a run for it....why wouldn't the shooter go for them as well? How did they manage to escape to Dr Rosen's? With the speed and accuracy of the shooter, he could've easily shot them before taking his own life....why wouldn't he?
As another poster mentioned - If Soto hid ALL her kids in closets and those six got out of the closet/cabinet to flee, they would expose their hiding spot to the shooter. Why wouldn't he then shoot the kids in the cabinet?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30198528


According to Aidan's parents, not all of the kids were hiding closets. Some of them were lined up against the far wall of the classroom. At one point, the gun stopped working, and the kids managed to run past him while he was reloading/fixing it.

So, it appears that some kids did manage to escape. But, IMO, it was 3 kids, not 6.
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Do you have a link for this info from Aidan's parents?
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I HOPE THIS LINK WORKS!!!!

[link to www.usatoday.com]

the reporter in this clip (filmed at 5:30pm the night of the shooting) says she happened to run into the school nurse earlier and asked her some questions. Listen to what this reporter has to say about the response she got. The nurse locked eyes with the shooter and somehow managed to dive under her desk and the shooter turned around and walked out. She also says HOW NICE NANCY LANZA is and what a great kindergarten teacher!!!!
THIS IS COMING FROM THE SCHOOL NURSE!!!!! Of all people, you would think she would know the teachers.

Now here is the link to her 60 Minutes Interview..... Once again, another witness with a changed story!

[link to www.cbsnews.com]


I Hope these links work, and someone should really download the first one....it's only a matter of time before thats removed!!!!
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Also- regardless of how many kids were killed in Soto's class, or how many stayed hiding out in closets found by LE, those six "additional" kids who made a run for it....why wouldn't the shooter go for them as well? How did they manage to escape to Dr Rosen's? With the speed and accuracy of the shooter, he could've easily shot them before taking his own life....why wouldn't he?
As another poster mentioned - If Soto hid ALL her kids in closets and those six got out of the closet/cabinet to flee, they would expose their hiding spot to the shooter. Why wouldn't he then shoot the kids in the cabinet?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30198528


According to Aidan's parents, not all of the kids were hiding closets. Some of them were lined up against the far wall of the classroom. At one point, the gun stopped working, and the kids managed to run past him while he was reloading/fixing it.

So, it appears that some kids did manage to escape. But, IMO, it was 3 kids, not 6.
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Do you have a link for this info from Aidan's parents?
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Info is at the beginning of this cnnn video [link to www.cnn.com]

And starting at 3:00 in this youtube video. [link to www.youtube.com]
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Also- regardless of how many kids were killed in Soto's class, or how many stayed hiding out in closets found by LE, those six "additional" kids who made a run for it....why wouldn't the shooter go for them as well? How did they manage to escape to Dr Rosen's? With the speed and accuracy of the shooter, he could've easily shot them before taking his own life....why wouldn't he?
As another poster mentioned - If Soto hid ALL her kids in closets and those six got out of the closet/cabinet to flee, they would expose their hiding spot to the shooter. Why wouldn't he then shoot the kids in the cabinet?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30198528


According to Aidan's parents, not all of the kids were hiding closets. Some of them were lined up against the far wall of the classroom. At one point, the gun stopped working, and the kids managed to run past him while he was reloading/fixing it.

So, it appears that some kids did manage to escape. But, IMO, it was 3 kids, not 6.
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Do you have a link for this info from Aidan's parents?
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Info is at the beginning of this cnnn video [link to www.cnn.com]

And starting at 3:00 in this youtube video. [link to www.youtube.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25326483


Watching the videos again, I guess Aidan's parents don't seem to know exactly how their son was able to run past the gunman, just that he did.
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Wait five minutes and the story will change again.
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No shit. Every time you turn around some nuance has been updated or corrected or changed.
 Quoting: Jonny Blaze


It's like the Ministry of Truth from '1984'.
 Quoting: GladioDaddy-O


Seriously. It's like smoking crack and then changing from being at war with Eurasia to East Asia as fast as a crackhead can go.

It's fucking ridiculous. They fucked this shit up so bad that their strategy is now to deliberately confuse and baffle anyone who tries to follow the actual crime itself with constantly changing details and ample contradictions.

Meanwhile...they make the political debate as clear and dumbed down as possible while they endlessly loop the pictures of all those kids and keep repeating 'high capacity magazines' over and over again.
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Likely though they are here looking for holes in the story and then patching them. In a way we are helping them create a more plausible story.

I think the Sandy Hook story might have enough flaws in it to expose the whole fraud and wake everyone up. Personally it woke me up a fews days back.

If we are smart enough maybe we can find a way to stop aiding the liars with the coverup.

Not sure how, but maybe something like stopping the flow of info here temporarily, gathering our own forces together outside here and then carefully putting together one or more massive red pill videos that can be released all at once.

They likely spent a lot of time planning this attack. Should we not do the same in a counter attack?

If we did this they might not have enough time to polish the story before it could go viral.

I know this would be difficult but we have an opportunity here and we might have enough truth to defeat the lie now.
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I HOPE THIS LINK WORKS!!!!

[link to www.usatoday.com]

the reporter in this clip (filmed at 5:30pm the night of the shooting) says she happened to run into the school nurse earlier and asked her some questions. Listen to what this reporter has to say about the response she got. The nurse locked eyes with the shooter and somehow managed to dive under her desk and the shooter turned around and walked out. She also says HOW NICE NANCY LANZA is and what a great kindergarten teacher!!!!
THIS IS COMING FROM THE SCHOOL NURSE!!!!! Of all people, you would think she would know the teachers.

Now here is the link to her 60 Minutes Interview..... Once again, another witness with a changed story!

[link to www.cbsnews.com]


I Hope these links work, and someone should really download the first one....it's only a matter of time before thats removed!!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30198528


Incredible. Just to cover all possible bases: could there be more than one nurse? But the comment about Nancy Lanza being a teacher??? That late in the game? Crazy.
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I'm beginning to feel like they are just playing with us. No-one can be this incompetent.
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That might be true but it does look like they are trying to do damage control. Does any agree?
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No shit. Every time you turn around some nuance has been updated or corrected or changed.
 Quoting: Jonny Blaze


It's like the Ministry of Truth from '1984'.
 Quoting: GladioDaddy-O


Seriously. It's like smoking crack and then changing from being at war with Eurasia to East Asia as fast as a crackhead can go.

It's fucking ridiculous. They fucked this shit up so bad that their strategy is now to deliberately confuse and baffle anyone who tries to follow the actual crime itself with constantly changing details and ample contradictions.

Meanwhile...they make the political debate as clear and dumbed down as possible while they endlessly loop the pictures of all those kids and keep repeating 'high capacity magazines' over and over again.
 Quoting: Jonny Blaze


Likely though they are here looking for holes in the story and then patching them. In a way we are helping them create a more plausible story.

I think the Sandy Hook story might have enough flaws in it to expose the whole fraud and wake everyone up. Personally it woke me up a fews days back.

If we are smart enough maybe we can find a way to stop aiding the liars with the coverup.

Not sure how, but maybe something like stopping the flow of info here temporarily, gathering our own forces together outside here and then carefully putting together one or more massive red pill videos that can be released all at once.

They likely spent a lot of time planning this attack. Should we not do the same in a counter attack?

If we did this they might not have enough time to polish the story before it could go viral.

I know this would be difficult but we have an opportunity here and we might have enough truth to defeat the lie now.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29930942


That's a tough one. I feel like we need to strike while the iron's hot. We need to screen save every conflicting report so we have a record of the ever-evolving story.

To your point about them tailoring the story as they go: I really think my thread had something to do with the Courant article put out tonight. My original thread got picked up by rense.com and probably got a fair amount of attention.
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I've spent the last two days trying to sort this out, and the numbers just aren't adding up.

Most reports say that 14 kids died in the first classroom. Earlier this week, the Daily Mail posted the class photo of those kids. I've spent the last two days trying to sort out this story, and the numbers just aren't adding up.

The general consensus seems to be that 14 children died in first clasroom and 6 in the second.

So, in Ms. Soto's classroom, 6 were killed and 7 were found hiding in a closet. That's 13 children.

We were told fairly early that Aidan Licata was able to escape from that classroom and that he held the door for two of his classmates. [link to www.cnn.com] (The story about him holding the door is in the video on that page). At least 3 kids therefore escaped. A women picked them up and drove them to the police station. (in other accounts, the woman drove the kids to the fire department where everyone had evacuated).

So that would be a total of at least 16 students.

According to the Daily Mail, a friend posted online, "I talked to Vicki on Tuesday and she told me that she loved her 16 angels and never wanted to let them go." [link to www.dailymail.co.uk]

So that's some evidence that Ms. Soto had 16 students.

And 16 students makes sense, given that the other classroom had 15 students and Kaitlin Roig, another first grade teacher, also had 15 students. [link to www.youtube.com]

It's Gene Rosen's story that doesn't fit easily with these numbers. And I don't think anybody had suggested that Soto had as many as nineteen students until Rosen's story appeared.

What's interesting is that Rosen said that he hosted 4 girls and 2 boys from Victoria Soto's class, and we can calculate that 4 girls and 2 boys died in that classroom... A total of 8 boys died, and there were 6 boys in the first classroom [link to i.dailymail.co.uk] which means that 2 boys died in the second.
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Great post. That Rosen story is a complete fabrication, IMO.
 Quoting: Jonny Blaze


If you want to go all conspiracy theory on this (which I'm not sure I really want to do), I'd say there's maybe a question of whether those 4 girls and 2 boys were killed in their classroom or brought to Gene Rosen's house.
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I HOPE THIS LINK WORKS!!!!

[link to www.usatoday.com]

the reporter in this clip (filmed at 5:30pm the night of the shooting) says she happened to run into the school nurse earlier and asked her some questions. Listen to what this reporter has to say about the response she got. The nurse locked eyes with the shooter and somehow managed to dive under her desk and the shooter turned around and walked out. She also says HOW NICE NANCY LANZA is and what a great kindergarten teacher!!!!
THIS IS COMING FROM THE SCHOOL NURSE!!!!! Of all people, you would think she would know the teachers.

Now here is the link to her 60 Minutes Interview..... Once again, another witness with a changed story!

[link to www.cbsnews.com]


I Hope these links work, and someone should really download the first one....it's only a matter of time before thats removed!!!!
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Incredible. Just to cover all possible bases: could there be more than one nurse? But the comment about Nancy Lanza being a teacher??? That late in the game? Crazy.
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I considered the multiple school nurse thing too, but if you notice in the reporters vid she says she was a school nurse for 15 years. In the 60 Minutes interview, it basically starts out by saying she has been the nurse for 15 years.
Def think it's the same nurse. Very crazy about mentioning Nancy being a teacher since that was supposedly a null point, but that opens up a bunch of previous speculations/concerns that were possibly debunked once they confirmed that Nancy had no ties to the school ---- the missing kindergarten class previously reported?? Also, she basically identified Adam as the gunman.

Wish I knew how to download this stuff. I really don't recall anyone posting the link to the reporters vid and I think it's a really important piece.
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I've spent the last two days trying to sort this out, and the numbers just aren't adding up.

Most reports say that 14 kids died in the first classroom. Earlier this week, the Daily Mail posted the class photo of those kids. I've spent the last two days trying to sort out this story, and the numbers just aren't adding up.

The general consensus seems to be that 14 children died in first clasroom and 6 in the second.

So, in Ms. Soto's classroom, 6 were killed and 7 were found hiding in a closet. That's 13 children.

We were told fairly early that Aidan Licata was able to escape from that classroom and that he held the door for two of his classmates. [link to www.cnn.com] (The story about him holding the door is in the video on that page). At least 3 kids therefore escaped. A women picked them up and drove them to the police station. (in other accounts, the woman drove the kids to the fire department where everyone had evacuated).

So that would be a total of at least 16 students.

According to the Daily Mail, a friend posted online, "I talked to Vicki on Tuesday and she told me that she loved her 16 angels and never wanted to let them go." [link to www.dailymail.co.uk]

So that's some evidence that Ms. Soto had 16 students.

And 16 students makes sense, given that the other classroom had 15 students and Kaitlin Roig, another first grade teacher, also had 15 students. [link to www.youtube.com]

It's Gene Rosen's story that doesn't fit easily with these numbers. And I don't think anybody had suggested that Soto had as many as nineteen students until Rosen's story appeared.

What's interesting is that Rosen said that he hosted 4 girls and 2 boys from Victoria Soto's class, and we can calculate that 4 girls and 2 boys died in that classroom... A total of 8 boys died, and there were 6 boys in the first classroom [link to i.dailymail.co.uk] which means that 2 boys died in the second.
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Great post. That Rosen story is a complete fabrication, IMO.
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If you want to go all conspiracy theory on this (which I'm not sure I really want to do), I'd say there's maybe a question of whether those 4 girls and 2 boys were killed in their classroom or brought to Gene Rosen's house.
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Let's go conspiracy for a moment: if Gene Rosen is totally fabricating the story, couldn't the kids establish that? Oh, but we can't ask them anything per the Yale shrink!
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Don't tell me, BenJolina... is the new actor pair responsibol.......According to Wellaware.com????? Give me a fucking break...
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The Courant is censoring comments on their site related to the the glaring discrepancies in their reporting.

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All sixes and sevens.

From the Hartford Courant:

"The arriving officers encountered a shocking scene in Soto's classroom. Lanza had shot her, as well as special education teacher Anne Marie Murphy and six of Soto's 6- and 7-year old students. Seven of Soto's students were found huddled and unharmed in a classroom closet, apparently hidden by Soto when she heard shooting. The other students fled the classroom." [link to www.courant.com]

Wikipedia explains "sixes and sevens":

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

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I HOPE THIS LINK WORKS!!!!

[link to www.usatoday.com]

the reporter in this clip (filmed at 5:30pm the night of the shooting) says she happened to run into the school nurse earlier and asked her some questions. Listen to what this reporter has to say about the response she got. The nurse locked eyes with the shooter and somehow managed to dive under her desk and the shooter turned around and walked out. She also says HOW NICE NANCY LANZA is and what a great kindergarten teacher!!!!
THIS IS COMING FROM THE SCHOOL NURSE!!!!! Of all people, you would think she would know the teachers.

Now here is the link to her 60 Minutes Interview..... Once again, another witness with a changed story!

[link to www.cbsnews.com]


I Hope these links work, and someone should really download the first one....it's only a matter of time before thats removed!!!!
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WOW, now this is ROTTEN weird, etc.
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Thanks to New Age Messiah, I took a look at the www.sott.net website, and found this conclusion:

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"The only logical conclusion I can draw at this stage is that somebody or some group with high-level media access had FOREKNOWLEDGE of the crime, foreknowledge that is revealed by their 'anonymously' leaking to the press things which they could not otherwise have known, foreknowledge that exposes their hand in originally planning to use both Lanza brothers as patsies. "

Author is Niall Bradley, dated story Dec. 20th

Title:

- Sandy Hook massacre: Evidence of official foreknowledge?
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Also- regardless of how many kids were killed in Soto's class, or how many stayed hiding out in closets found by LE, those six "additional" kids who made a run for it....why wouldn't the shooter go for them as well? How did they manage to escape to Dr Rosen's? With the speed and accuracy of the shooter, he could've easily shot them before taking his own life....why wouldn't he?
As another poster mentioned - If Soto hid ALL her kids in closets and those six got out of the closet/cabinet to flee, they would expose their hiding spot to the shooter. Why wouldn't he then shoot the kids in the cabinet?
Also - now knowing that students from Soto's class were killed as well as Ms Soto, how did those six who escaped to Dr. Rosen's not have any blood on them? Blood spray from the others killed, running through pools of blood, etc etc? None of Rosen's interviews mention anything about blood and in fact he stated (well at least in ONE of his many changing interviews) that he didn't have any idea what happened other than the kids telling him Ms Soto is dead. No mention of any kind of blood on them.

AND - to go along with all the conflicting reports of how bodies were identified..... official story is that photos of distinctive body parts were shown to parents to identify. Local news here reported that parents would supply LE with photos of their kids and allow LE to do the identifying.
I can possibly understand parents not wanting to see their child in such a brutal condition, but out of 20 sets of parents, not one parent protested this? I mean, even if you don't want to see your child like that, you wouldn't be at all concerned that considering 20 kids died, you are getting to bury your actual child and not a wrongfully identified child? These parents interviewed keep saying they were fine with not seeing the body, and want to remember them the way they were and that is closure for them. Closure for me at least couldnt start until I know my child was returned to me, and that I am laying my child to rest.

This story is so surreal. So many lies, so much BS and people are just eating it up. Although I have had my doubts on many stories (9/11, bin laden's death, etc) I never read too much into it...until the events at Sandy Hook and all the blatant lies and flip flopping stories. I'm now questioning everything about this country.


One more thing - I really don't have tons of time to devote to researching this unfortunately, however I did have an idea about where to start looking for more info and clues. I will try my best to start looking out but I want to let you all know so maybe someone else with more time can assist.....
Keep checking up on grieving parent, or loss of child sites/forums, etc. If this tragedy did happen, and the parents of the victims(especially the moms) are genuine grieving parents it may only be a matter of time before the initial shock wears off and they start questioning everything they were force fed by officials and things start not making sense to them. They may possibly feel duped and alone and not know where to turn considering that a vast majority of the people are followers of what the news tells them. They may reach out online in the venues I mentioned above. People could pose as parents in similar situations and befriend them in hopes of getting real raw emotions, clues, insider info, etc. It sounds really awful, I know, but I think you could get more info that way rather than direct contact with these people as others have mentioned.... just a thought.
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IMO The 6 that ran away were not intended to survive. They really messed the story up. Sooo.....they cooked up Dr. Rosen to further confuse and garner the public's sympathy. Did any parent see their children prior to the funeral?? I haven't read anything about services. The first one was closed casket.
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Okay, I was going to start my own Sandy Hook thread, because I have a lead on getting some inside info. Turns out I talked to my mom today (actually yesterday, because it's already tomorrow), and she told me my sister and brother in law know someone who works at the school. And I said to my mom, "so this person must not have been there that day?" And she says, "no, she WAS, she was in the office." But didn't get killed. And I said, "so did you ask them what she saw and how she managed to not get killed?" And my mom says, "no, I didn't want to upset them."

AAARRGH! So I'm willing to call and ask, but I was going to canvas GLP and ask what you want me to ask. But since I wasn't encouraged to start a new thread I'm stuck posting in this random one, which I doubt I will even remember which one it was, plus it's somewhere in the middle so most people won't even see my question. So I'm kinda bummed because I feel like, what if I find out something important?

Ah. I guess I'll just go wrap Christmas presents. And when I call the relatives and find out whatever I find out, maybe I'll post it in a Mayan Doom thread. Sorry, I'm all in a bad mood because I can't have my own thread, although to be honest who knows what they'll say, maybe their friend is in a state of shock and not talking.

Sigh.
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If you have first hand information I think you should start a NEW THREAD.
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Could it be possible that Nancy Lanza was a teacher at SOME point in her life? If its pre-internet, I don't know how you'd find out.
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Could it be possible that Nancy Lanza was a teacher at SOME point in her life? If its pre-internet, I don't know how you'd find out.
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I don't know, but it definitely seems like from the early reports that the school nurse knew Lanza as a teacher at Sandy Hook.