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More oddities: School District budget doesn't not include security door

 
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12/23/2012 02:45 AM
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More oddities: School District budget doesn't not include security door
I was reading this article

[link to www.courant.com]

and two statements jumped out at me

"...after shooting his way through a glass door with the .223-caliber semiautomatic rifle..."

"...He walked up to the front entrance and fired at least a half dozen rounds into the glass doors. The thunderous sound of Lanza blowing an opening big enough to walk through the locked school door..."

It got me thinking about this new security system that was recently installed.

Safety glass does not shatter, break into pieces and fall to the ground...thats the whole point of safety glass.

So to "shoot your way through a glass security door" especially with a .223 rifle...let alone make "an opening big enough to walk through" is simply not logically plausible.

So I started looking through the Newtown School district's annual budget for all schools here

[link to www.newtown.k12.ct.us]

Scroll down to page 39...it details capital improvement plans for each school for the 12-13 budget year.

SANDY HOOK SCHOOL 95,000
REPAINT ALL INTERNAL STEEL DOORS & FRAMES 28,000
ELECTRICAL UPGRADE AND UPS TO SUPPORT PHONE SYSTEM 22,000
CARPET/FLOORING REPLACEMENT PROGRAM 20,000
PAINT GYM AND CAFÉ WALLS 15,000
REPLACE CABINETS & COUNTERS IN CLASSROOMS - PHASE I 10,000


If you then scroll to the bottom of the doc, then go to the 3rd page up you will see the planned capital improvements for Sandy Hook El. over the next 5 years...

The only security upgrades slated for Sandy Hook are ext door replacements for the 13-14 budget year...

hmmm...
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Re: More oddities: School District budget doesn't not include security door
lol...title should be "does not" or "doesn't"....pick one..Im an idiot
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12/23/2012 02:56 AM
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Re: More oddities: School District budget doesn't not include security door
lol...title should be "does not" or "doesn't"....pick one..Im an idiot
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You sure are.
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Re: More oddities: School District budget doesn't not include security door
US army should just assign one army or two army to watch these schools instead of going overseas and fight the stupid war
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Re: More oddities: School District budget doesn't not include security door
Why have we not seen a picture of these apparent shot out doors?

I have been searching for one as you would think that it would be an evocative image for the news to display that would be very easy to get.
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Re: More oddities: School District budget doesn't not include security door
If its glass and tempered it may actually shatter into a billion pieces - much like the side glass of a car does.

If its 'security' rated, then it has an added layer which holds it together, like a windshield.

Understand the glass still shatters (being tempered into many tiny pieces) but the plastic/rubberized layer holds it in place and that an be broken through or shot through rather easily.

Security glass is to slow a person down. It is not bullet proofed, meaning having many layers and designed to stop bullets.

That would make for a very thick door and would look very odd on regular doorways.

Only solid steel doors for a regular door way would have prevented him from getting in before police arrived.

They can't do that to a school front... There is a point where you basically turn a school into a prison while making it super secure.
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Re: More oddities: School District budget doesn't not include security door
If its glass and tempered it may actually shatter into a billion pieces - much like the side glass of a car does.

If its 'security' rated, then it has an added layer which holds it together, like a windshield.

Understand the glass still shatters (being tempered into many tiny pieces) but the plastic/rubberized layer holds it in place and that an be broken through or shot through rather easily.

Security glass is to slow a person down. It is not bullet proofed, meaning having many layers and designed to stop bullets.

That would make for a very thick door and would look very odd on regular doorways.

Only solid steel doors for a regular door way would have prevented him from getting in before police arrived.

They can't do that to a school front... There is a point where you basically turn a school into a prison while making it super secure.
 Quoting: Bowyn Aerrow


With all due respect, all "safety glass" is "tempered" to increase its strength. In this context, there is no such thing as "security glass" as you call it...just different "grades" of safety glass.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

An example...All car glass is "tempered" or "safety glass". Side & rear window glass is simply "tempered" [lowest "grade"] and, yes, as you said, it breaks into tiny pieces. All front windshield glass is "laminated, tempered glass" and, as with the side/rear glass breaks into tiny pieces, but with the added "laminated plastic layer" the tiny pieces remain together as one unit, adhered to the laminate.

"security glass" as you call it, is simply multiple layers of "laminated glass"

Shoot a rear/side window in a car and the whole piece of glass will shatter into tiny pieces and fall. Shoot a front windshield in a car and a hole will appear and the shattering will be localized around the hole, but the whole piece of glass will remain intact.

The point being...any window, say, in a classroom, would be standard low grade, tempered glass. Stronger than regular glass, break it and it shatters into tiny pieces and falls to the ground.

The newly installed security doors would have utilized a laminated safety glass material [they use to use a thin wire mesh in school door glass]. Shooting it would not have caused it to shatter & fall. To "shoot a hole big enough to walk through" would take considerable time and ammo [and incredible accuracy] to essentially "cut" a hole out of the plastic-laminated glass in the opening.

Go fire some rounds into a car windshield at the junkyard...see how long it takes to create a hole you can walk through.

It would seem implausible to enter the building by shooting a hole in the new security door glass and walking through it.

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