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If he was a high school wrestler, then it is possible. A tech-geek... absolutely not. However, I wouldn't rule out chronic masturbation. His upper body could be pretty ripped. Forearms like a monkey. The gear only gets lighter as you empty clips.

IMO, Complete bullshit, false flag. The government wants to take our guns and raise our taxes? Sounds like 18th century britain.
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Nice summary of what I am sure, after reading all the post on GLP this past week, many of us have been thinking. Would it not be cool if we all, together, actually started a thread, why not here, or a page with a white board, and built a time lime (complete with where the data for the timeline came from). Problem is, it would be riddled with idiots and shills and arguments would turn to everything other than what the task was at hand. I think we should at least try though.
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Agreed. I am sure the shills will arrive at any minute since this is indisputable evidence that no one seems to be focusing on...

Here is a quick jist of who I think was involved based on my research...

2 operatives (on duty police) on scene before the incident to do the actual killing. 1 in the front, 1 in the back, both dressed the same (camo pants, black jacket & mask + gloves) later switching clothing with the patsy and the cleaner (think of the movie inside man for the basic concept), each operative is assigned to 2 weapons, 1 small (2 pistols, 1 each), 1 small(1 shotgun(front op), 1 AR (back op)).

1 Patsy. Adam Lanza, which is later given op 2's clothing to match witness accounts (op 1 gives his clothing to the cleaner).

1 "civilian" which gains access to the school before the shooting using valid means, and opens the back door at a set time for the 2nd operative (classroom killer) & Adam the patsy.

The civilian (cleaner) based on radio/video evidence by the way is 2 people at first, once cought 2 becomes 1 person, which is never actually taken into custody (since the same guy that apparently cought him is back inside the school less then a minute later(and remember on scene police at this time is VERY LIMITED), and then ~15 mins later is taken into custody being found in the woods (his daughter by the way goes to the school and survived the event and was there helping her build a gingerbread house (remember how I said gained access though valid means?)). He is shortly after let go due in mainly I am sure to the first responding police (the 2 op's) vouching for him not being involved.

There is a lot more to this story then we are being told...
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how many 110lb police officers do you see?
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i remember them saying his mother prepared his meals for him,why, was he too stupid to cook food, when she left for a trip to n.h. she prepared all his meals,
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he was autistic, and anyway whats wrong with looking after your kids???
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How does a ~110 lbs kid (working alone)...

1. Shoot through a bulletproof glass door making a hole large enough to walk though using an just the AR (16 bullets) which is the official story as of now?

2. Have the schools power go out moments after the first shot is fired, killing all video surveillance, and electronically controlled door locks.

-Powerout
Fox News Interview of a Student (video)
"We were just in the middle of gym, when we heard gunshots, then the power (muffled) went out."
[link to www.yankeewaterfowler.net] (video)
(sorry for the crappy link... wish it was on YouTube... this is a VERY important video clip for multiple reasons so I do suggest you watch it... notice anything else weird that this girl says? Anyways I'll get to that at the end....).

-Doors Would Not Lock
"Once the shooting began, Mr Varga tried to lock the door to the conference room. When he found out the door would not lock, the teacher then ran down a smoke-filled hallway to safety but turned back to help his fellow staff escape." (also notice the mention of smoke-filled hallways... haven't heard that mentioned much before either)
[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]

3. Carry so much stuff, yet have professional marksman aim!!!
(I find it funny it is taking them so long to announce OFFICIALLY the weapon count & type... they have to be very careful what weapons "they" announce here which is why they are taking so long).

-We know he had at least 1 pistol (at very least used to "kill himself"). It will most likely be officially announced as 2 (one used on the administrative staff at the front of the school, and a single bullet from the 2nd pistol to "kill himself"...) but lets just call it 1 pistol for now.

-We know he had at least 1 AR as officially it an AR was used for most the injuries/deaths (although MULTIPLE are mentioned by first responding at ~4:48 in the first link of this post "be advised we have multiple weapons, including long gun(S) & shotgun(S)". But again lets stick with just 1 since no one is being very transparent with us about wtf was found.

-We know he had at least 1 shotgun (again the quote above mentions multiple but lets stick with 1 for now). I believe officially they will only announce 1 shotgun total... meaning the one in the trunk and that there were none found inside the school.... let's call it a hunch... but hey lets go with their story for now that at least 1 shotgun is also found inside the school.

-Extra ammo for the guns. From what I recall hearing officially there was at least 3 clips of ammo used for the AR (16 bullets into the front door, and the rest used later in the classroom(s)). I have heard no mention about other extra clips that may of been on scene, so we will just stick with 3 extra clips for an AR (even though there was likely other extra ammo on scene as well).

-We have accounts of the hallways being filled with smoke. Since there was no account of a fire magically starting we can only assume it was smoke grenades (similar to the Aurora shootings... how interesting). So lets say 1 smoke grenade, even though it was most likely multiple.

-He was apparently wearing body armor (I assume has to weigh 10 or more lbs at least...).

-At least 1 smoke grenade (most likely multiple)

-He was apparently also wearing a mask (which would restrict breathing and be especially exhausting if doing something as active as running around shooting people (I can't think of any situation which could possibly raise your heart rate higher/faster) all the while carrying all that extra weight. A mask would also somewhat restrict vision, yet "Adam" from the official version sounds like he had a well above expected hit/miss ratio considering the person/situation.

Ok so here we have it...
-1 pistol (most likely 2 pistols)
-1 AR (even though multiple are mentioned, in the end it will likely be reported 1 AR total... again a hunch.)
-1 Shotgun (again even though multiple are mentioned. I think in the final story it will be 1 total (the one in the trunk... but how did it get there if it was at one point inside the school to be seen? I won't get into that now)
-Full ammo for all 3+ weapons + at least 3 clips of extra ammo for the AR (most likely more ammo for all the weapons).
-a ~10 lbs bulletproof vest.
-1 Smoke Grenade (most likely more)
-A mask which would restrict vision/breathing (and having in the first place makes no sense if you plan on killing yourself).

Doesn't that seem like a lot of weight for a ~110 kid to be carrying around without issue while having professional accuracy none the less?

Anyways just curious about peoples thoughts on the 3 points I mentioned above.



...Oh and on a side note I am also kind of curious why no one seems to be mentioning the 3 people should of been taken into custody based on radio/video evidence but only 1 ended up being taken in... and that 1 man was later let go. How does 2 become 1 become 0 (~15 min delay) become 1 in custody?

Lastly and BY FAR most important, why is it that no one seems to be questions how 2 police were inside the school DURING the shooting... yes you heard that right.

"then police men came in, and they um just like asked if um he was in here. But then we had climbed to the closets and um we heard more gunshots..."
[link to www.yankeewaterfowler.net]
(again sorry for the crappy link... really which is IMPORTANT video was on youtube)

Really? (2) Police ask you if you have seen him and then shortly after that there was more gunshots? Why did no one on the police scanner report first hand shots fired at any point? Why is it commonly believed that the first police didn't show up 10-20 mins after shooting stopped when in fact based on this little girl they were inside when the shooting was happening (and even based on police scanner recording shows 2 police inside the school in less then ~2 after shooting stopped...) and how the hell were 2 police officers already inside the school DURING the shooting to begin with? (and coincidentally both don't use their police radio's until after the shooting stops and play the most important police roll of the day, chasing 2 people/suspects, announcing the wrong weapons on scene, finding Adam's body... as heard in the first link of this post...)?

I won't push my theory to hard on people... but I think you get the jist of where you should start putting some of your research/focus. Timeline the events/police activity using any "official" audio/video you can about the event and see if you come up with a similar "discrepancy" that doesn't seem to at all be mentioned... who were the 2 police INSIDE the school magically DURING the shooting (police presence during the actual shooting goes directly against the official story by the way... yet can be proven) and why didn't they use their police radio's until after more police arrived on scene ~2-3 minutes later (and why were both these men so interested in drawing attention away from the schools back door, and constantly reinforcing the idea for the other early responding police to watch the front entrance on the police scanners?).

Makes ya think...

I guess now I just wait for the shill attacks to come huh? 1dunno1
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a mass shooting had JUST taken place, the gunman could've still be at large hiding out hence the reason to arrest ANYONE looking the slightest bit out of place.

details were very sketchy and were coming in in dribs and drabs, the media were just trying to put a breaking story together.

that little girl probably didn't know what day it was after possibly seeing her friends murdered, can you imagine the terror they went through???

why don't you drop all this shit, out of respect of the dead, it's getting beyond a joke.
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oh and don't call me a shill.
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How does a ~110 lbs kid (working alone)...

1. Shoot through a bulletproof glass door making a hole large enough to walk though using an just the AR (16 bullets) which is the official story as of now?

2. Have the schools power go out moments after the first shot is fired, killing all video surveillance, and electronically controlled door locks.

-Powerout
Fox News Interview of a Student (video)
"We were just in the middle of gym, when we heard gunshots, then the power (muffled) went out."
[link to www.yankeewaterfowler.net] (video)
(sorry for the crappy link... wish it was on YouTube... this is a VERY important video clip for multiple reasons so I do suggest you watch it... notice anything else weird that this girl says? Anyways I'll get to that at the end....).

-Doors Would Not Lock
"Once the shooting began, Mr Varga tried to lock the door to the conference room. When he found out the door would not lock, the teacher then ran down a smoke-filled hallway to safety but turned back to help his fellow staff escape." (also notice the mention of smoke-filled hallways... haven't heard that mentioned much before either)
[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]

3. Carry so much stuff, yet have professional marksman aim!!!
(I find it funny it is taking them so long to announce OFFICIALLY the weapon count & type... they have to be very careful what weapons "they" announce here which is why they are taking so long).

-We know he had at least 1 pistol (at very least used to "kill himself"). It will most likely be officially announced as 2 (one used on the administrative staff at the front of the school, and a single bullet from the 2nd pistol to "kill himself"...) but lets just call it 1 pistol for now.

-We know he had at least 1 AR as officially it an AR was used for most the injuries/deaths (although MULTIPLE are mentioned by first responding at ~4:48 in the first link of this post "be advised we have multiple weapons, including long gun(S) & shotgun(S)". But again lets stick with just 1 since no one is being very transparent with us about wtf was found.

-We know he had at least 1 shotgun (again the quote above mentions multiple but lets stick with 1 for now). I believe officially they will only announce 1 shotgun total... meaning the one in the trunk and that there were none found inside the school.... let's call it a hunch... but hey lets go with their story for now that at least 1 shotgun is also found inside the school.

-Extra ammo for the guns. From what I recall hearing officially there was at least 3 clips of ammo used for the AR (16 bullets into the front door, and the rest used later in the classroom(s)). I have heard no mention about other extra clips that may of been on scene, so we will just stick with 3 extra clips for an AR (even though there was likely other extra ammo on scene as well).

-We have accounts of the hallways being filled with smoke. Since there was no account of a fire magically starting we can only assume it was smoke grenades (similar to the Aurora shootings... how interesting). So lets say 1 smoke grenade, even though it was most likely multiple.

-He was apparently wearing body armor (I assume has to weigh 10 or more lbs at least...).

-At least 1 smoke grenade (most likely multiple)

-He was apparently also wearing a mask (which would restrict breathing and be especially exhausting if doing something as active as running around shooting people (I can't think of any situation which could possibly raise your heart rate higher/faster) all the while carrying all that extra weight. A mask would also somewhat restrict vision, yet "Adam" from the official version sounds like he had a well above expected hit/miss ratio considering the person/situation.

Ok so here we have it...
-1 pistol (most likely 2 pistols)
-1 AR (even though multiple are mentioned, in the end it will likely be reported 1 AR total... again a hunch.)
-1 Shotgun (again even though multiple are mentioned. I think in the final story it will be 1 total (the one in the trunk... but how did it get there if it was at one point inside the school to be seen? I won't get into that now)
-Full ammo for all 3+ weapons + at least 3 clips of extra ammo for the AR (most likely more ammo for all the weapons).
-a ~10 lbs bulletproof vest.
-1 Smoke Grenade (most likely more)
-A mask which would restrict vision/breathing (and having in the first place makes no sense if you plan on killing yourself).

Doesn't that seem like a lot of weight for a ~110 kid to be carrying around without issue while having professional accuracy none the less?

Anyways just curious about peoples thoughts on the 3 points I mentioned above.



...Oh and on a side note I am also kind of curious why no one seems to be mentioning the 3 people should of been taken into custody based on radio/video evidence but only 1 ended up being taken in... and that 1 man was later let go. How does 2 become 1 become 0 (~15 min delay) become 1 in custody?

Lastly and BY FAR most important, why is it that no one seems to be questions how 2 police were inside the school DURING the shooting... yes you heard that right.

"then police men came in, and they um just like asked if um he was in here. But then we had climbed to the closets and um we heard more gunshots..."
[link to www.yankeewaterfowler.net]
(again sorry for the crappy link... really which is IMPORTANT video was on youtube)

Really? (2) Police ask you if you have seen him and then shortly after that there was more gunshots? Why did no one on the police scanner report first hand shots fired at any point? Why is it commonly believed that the first police didn't show up 10-20 mins after shooting stopped when in fact based on this little girl they were inside when the shooting was happening (and even based on police scanner recording shows 2 police inside the school in less then ~2 after shooting stopped...) and how the hell were 2 police officers already inside the school DURING the shooting to begin with? (and coincidentally both don't use their police radio's until after the shooting stops and play the most important police roll of the day, chasing 2 people/suspects, announcing the wrong weapons on scene, finding Adam's body... as heard in the first link of this post...)?

I won't push my theory to hard on people... but I think you get the jist of where you should start putting some of your research/focus. Timeline the events/police activity using any "official" audio/video you can about the event and see if you come up with a similar "discrepancy" that doesn't seem to at all be mentioned... who were the 2 police INSIDE the school magically DURING the shooting (police presence during the actual shooting goes directly against the official story by the way... yet can be proven) and why didn't they use their police radio's until after more police arrived on scene ~2-3 minutes later (and why were both these men so interested in drawing attention away from the schools back door, and constantly reinforcing the idea for the other early responding police to watch the front entrance on the police scanners?).

Makes ya think...

I guess now I just wait for the shill attacks to come huh? 1dunno1
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28724521


a mass shooting had JUST taken place, the gunman could've still be at large hiding out hence the reason to arrest ANYONE looking the slightest bit out of place.

details were very sketchy and were coming in in dribs and drabs, the media were just trying to put a breaking story together.

that little girl probably didn't know what day it was after possibly seeing her friends murdered, can you imagine the terror they went through???

why don't you drop all this shit, out of respect of the dead, it's getting beyond a joke.
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Classic shill "tell".

shill
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two words....retard strength
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If the media reports are correct he had at least 300 rounds for the bushmaster.

I read several media reports that they, the police, found 300 spent casings. If 30 round clips then he had at least ten of those.
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If the media reports are correct he had at least 300 rounds for the bushmaster.

I read several media reports that they, the police, found 300 spent casings. If 30 round clips then he had at least ten of those.
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This whole thing seems pretty bonkers. Loaded 30rd mags for the at weigh in at ~1 lb. So that's ~10 lbs right there, and the rifle it's self is another ~7-9lbs, depending. This weapons system was after all designed for a single person to carry allot of firepower.

Adding in armor and hand-guns etc this stuff all adds up quick and does encumber your movement. That's why military people train for it, I do think its very possible that if he really did carry out this attack that he rehearsed the actions, or parts of the actions well in advance.

They said his mother used to take him shooting all the time, who knows what that means. She might have been dressing him out with the tactical gear and doing emergency drills etc. If she really thought that the collapse of civilization was right around the corner, she might have been training him to be some kind of kill-bot to guard her. I imagine that he might have been upset about being treated like this when he realized that the end of the world isn't coming and that his mother is using him like a security blanket.

The 'bullet-proof' glass was probably Lexan, and its possible that it was rated for pistol rounds and not rifle bullets. Lexan is tough as shit, but it depends on how thick it is, even thin sheets will stop most pistol bullets, but I can imagine that enough .223's would deform the lexan out of it's frame.

I think this whole story is completely suspicious, especially with no video or photographic evidence. The business about the power going out, is beyond suspicion. Also the door failing to lock is beyond suspicion, I bet those are electronically actuated locks, especially if the school had a 'modern' security system. These two details strongly suggest an element of a cyber attack. I place this kind of hacking well above your typical video-game-'genius'-nerd.

I am a high-level nerd (physicist) and I know the kinds of difficulties in hacking a power distribution system or electronic locking system and I can't imagine that he would have been able to pull that off.

I suppose its possible that the smoke from the gun fire, MIGHT have triggered the fire-system, that MIGHT cut the power and turn on emergency lighting, some fire-systems such as those used in schools and hospitals unlock all or most of the doors in the event of a fire. This could have happened.

I think some investigation into the company that set up the fire-alarms and the security doors is in order.

I would be very interested in hearing recordings from video or whatever that contain the gun shot noises. When the Virginia-tech shooting happened, there were several cell-phone videos that don't show the shooting rampage but you can hear it. What I found apparent in that audio was the fact that the shooting is in one continuous volley of fire. There were no pauses for reloading. Cho apparently had two pistols and many magazines for each, it is nearly very impossible to reload two pistols at the same time. Cho also had not owned those pistols for very long, and killed many people, in a very short time. Shooting with two guns is quite difficult particularly when you consider his body count, including many head shots. I believe Cho was more effective at killing people then a trained military operator.

Careful analysis of audio recordings from the time of the sandy hook shooting will probably reveal multiple shooters. However I imagine that evidence like this will never become public knowledge.
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Unfortunately in this fluoridated food poisoned GMO'ed country full of men raped by divorce and financially disabled, and women who have been mind-whipped into running a hampster wheel of slavery to satisfy a presumed necessary "career image", knowing this won't matter. We lost.

The war on America happened at the grass roots level, and the enemy won. Everyone is hurting so much from the wounds issued them via the psychiatric war called feminism, and so caught in debt caused by tax slavery and the perceived need to live at a certain level, people are too demoralized by porn and hurt by the loss of family; people are too stressed and worried about their own problems to do anything about this, even though the enemy has been more than caught red-handed.

If America does not go into revolution mode and expunge every corrupt animal from every government office, including many professors in the colleges and everyone working at the local "social services" offices, every judge over family courts, every skank in the military supporting this government;

If people just let them get away with stealing 20 children to sell as slaves*, and using that to ban guns, well, this is the litmus test. Fail it, and it's game over.

If they come for the guns, don't sit by idly watching your neighbor get raided, if you see that crap happening, load your 30-6, or your 12 gauge WITH SLUGS AND NOTHING ELSE, or your .270 and start shooting. No other civilian calibers are good against the body armor, and you can forget about any handguns, those are trash.

There is not one single handgun that even has as much usability in combat as a 22 magnum fired from a long rifle. Of all the civilian long rifle rounds, the one they fear the most is the .270, which has a super high velocity, small cross section, and long bullet. It's a penetration round; the body armor will not work.

Body armor will work against an AK-47, SKS, 7.62X39, .223, 22, and any other small round, including shotguns loaded with 0000 buck shot. Forget bird shot. Slugs won't penetrate, but you will break the bastard's back or give him a concussion. Keep in mind that any long term shooting will likely result in a "natural gas explosion". Hit and run.

I am actually somewhat versed with civilian arms, but never made that a point on this web site. It's time to say it now - your most usable calibers will be 30.06, .270, and slugs. And the champion is the .270 when it comes to dealing with body armor. There are not enough .50 cals out there, and if you own one, you know what it is. I am not going to mention any of the unusual rounds, I know what is out there the most. The 30.06 will be most used because it is the most common of those that have a good chance with body armor.

-- Courtesy of Jim Stone Freelance, updated Dec. 22nd

* Footnote:

According to conspiracy nuts, the 20 children were shipped in those white 18-wheelers in the school parking lot.... straight to Denver.
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How does a ~110 lbs kid (working alone)...

Answer - He doesn't and he didn't.
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Its because its fake that's why. Fucking 110 pound kid. If I was there and came up behind him and kicked him with a steeltoe in his temple he would die or be in a coma. Telling me no male teacher in that school had a Ballsack?
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It's called tactical armour dipshit...look it up it can hold all that...learn before you speak
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spelled it wrong shill
ARMOR

tactical ARMOR

and this has many different types and weights...so
what is your point here.
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It's either DS.
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It's called tactical armour dipshit...look it up it can hold all that...learn before you speak
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Go strap a ~50 lbs weight to a ~100 lbs kids chest and see how far he can move before he collapses... my point isn't the about the armor type... my point is how does a skinny ass kid carry half his body weight in equipment, while wearing a mask restricting his breathing/vision run around doing a killing spree... most 100 lbs people would barely be able to move... let alone walk around killing people with high accuracy.
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At most that's 20 pounds...logic fail
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Hmm, you obviously either don't know a single thing about all this, are a shill, or, can't add and subtract.
The MINIMUM weight of a vest is 25 lbs, add ammo, .223 weight at 30 round clips, maybe a bandolier, they never have said HOW he carried the ammo you know, a sig loaded by itself is heavy enough to give some smaller people trouble raising it, let alone pointing it, clips for that weapon, a shotgun? geez, it is difficult for our military to carry all that stuff and you state that it's just 20 lbs. You Fail Miserably, I might add.
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Vests weight 6 pounds...ammo and clips 10 pounds...hand guns 4 pounds
Fucking idiot
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Is it just me or can the media only get a picture of nancy lanza who looks like joan cusack and a picture of adam that was heavily aged progressed
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Go strap a ~50 lbs weight to a ~100 lbs kids chest and see how far he can move before he collapses... my point isn't the about the armor type... my point is how does a skinny ass kid carry half his body weight in equipment, while wearing a mask restricting his breathing/vision run around doing a killing spree... most 100 lbs people would barely be able to move... let alone walk around killing people with high accuracy.
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At most that's 20 pounds...logic fail
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Hmm, you obviously either don't know a single thing about all this, are a shill, or, can't add and subtract.
The MINIMUM weight of a vest is 25 lbs, add ammo, .223 weight at 30 round clips, maybe a bandolier, they never have said HOW he carried the ammo you know, a sig loaded by itself is heavy enough to give some smaller people trouble raising it, let alone pointing it, clips for that weapon, a shotgun? geez, it is difficult for our military to carry all that stuff and you state that it's just 20 lbs. You Fail Miserably, I might add.
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Vests weight 6 pounds...ammo and clips 10 pounds...hand guns 4 pounds
Fucking idiot
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If he had plates or panels in the armored vest then who knows. A typical Kevlar vest is around 6-8 lbs, but could easily be three times that with plates. We don't know what he had.

You don't need to call the guy an idiot just for disagreeing with something that neither of you know anything about.
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No smoke?

I guess YOU'VE never fired a hundred or more rifle rounds inside an enclosed space in the matter of minutes?

Smokeless powder isn't totally smokeless.

That would also kick up a lot of dust and debris.
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Yes in fact I have. You are totally full of shit. AR-15s are gas operated which helps alleviate the smoke and gas because it is used by the weapon to pen the chamber.

M.O.U.T certified, liar.
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Re: Sandy Hook: How does a 110 lbs kid (working alone)...
Its because its fake that's why. Fucking 110 pound kid. If I was there and came up behind him and kicked him with a steeltoe in his temple he would die or be in a coma. Telling me no male teacher in that school had a Ballsack?
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Apparently male and female teachers/faculty charged at him and he shot them.
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burnit


E-X-T-R-E-M-E-L-Y

I-M-P-O-R-T-A-N-T




Unfortunately in this fluoridated food poisoned GMO'ed country full of men raped by divorce and financially disabled, and women who have been mind-whipped into running a hampster wheel of slavery to satisfy a presumed necessary "career image", knowing this won't matter. We lost.

The war on America happened at the grass roots level, and the enemy won. Everyone is hurting so much from the wounds issued them via the psychiatric war called feminism, and so caught in debt caused by tax slavery and the perceived need to live at a certain level, people are too demoralized by porn and hurt by the loss of family; people are too stressed and worried about their own problems to do anything about this, even though the enemy has been more than caught red-handed.

If America does not go into revolution mode and expunge every corrupt animal from every government office, including many professors in the colleges and everyone working at the local "social services" offices, every judge over family courts, every skank in the military supporting this government;

If people just let them get away with stealing 20 children to sell as slaves*, and using that to ban guns, well, this is the litmus test. Fail it, and it's game over.

If they come for the guns, don't sit by idly watching your neighbor get raided, if you see that crap happening, load your 30-6, or your 12 gauge WITH SLUGS AND NOTHING ELSE, or your .270 and start shooting. No other civilian calibers are good against the body armor, and you can forget about any handguns, those are trash.

There is not one single handgun that even has as much usability in combat as a 22 magnum fired from a long rifle. Of all the civilian long rifle rounds, the one they fear the most is the .270, which has a super high velocity, small cross section, and long bullet. It's a penetration round; the body armor will not work.

Body armor will work against an AK-47, SKS, 7.62X39, .223, 22, and any other small round, including shotguns loaded with 0000 buck shot. Forget bird shot. Slugs won't penetrate, but you will break the bastard's back or give him a concussion. Keep in mind that any long term shooting will likely result in a "natural gas explosion". Hit and run.

I am actually somewhat versed with civilian arms, but never made that a point on this web site. It's time to say it now - your most usable calibers will be 30.06, .270, and slugs. And the champion is the .270 when it comes to dealing with body armor. There are not enough .50 cals out there, and if you own one, you know what it is. I am not going to mention any of the unusual rounds, I know what is out there the most. The 30.06 will be most used because it is the most common of those that have a good chance with body armor.

-- Courtesy of Jim Stone Freelance, updated Dec. 22nd

* Footnote:

According to conspiracy nuts, the 20 children were shipped in those white 18-wheelers in the school parking lot.... straight to Denver.
 Quoting: 13th-Century


uhhh..there is a handgun that will work that you missed. 50 Cal Desert Eagle. Just sayin.....
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this kid looked like a broomstick with a mop head of hair at the top of it,,no way this frail skinny kid did this nor orchestrated it..

there's enough evidence out there that screams inside job,,its just Aurora Colorado 2.0

the government is staging mass shootings to ban guns,,apparently adult citizens weren't doing the trick so they went after kindergarteners,,cause more outrage and plus a kindergartener cant tell the media that 2 or more people stormed in and shot at them..

there's a reason they went directly to the Kindergartener class(how'd they know where it was?),,they cant talk..
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I would like to comment on the two officers already being there. There are always 1-3 officers in most schools in America. So the little girl's story about them isn't fishy like you're thinking because they were supposed to be there. However, know we have to think about what these two police officers were doing,if anything, during this act.
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I would like to comment on the two officers already being there. There are always 1-3 officers in most schools in America. So the little girl's story about them isn't fishy like you're thinking because they were supposed to be there. However, know we have to think about what these two police officers were doing,if anything, during this act.
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Better tell that to the mass media hounds who are crucifying the NRA for suggesting this be implemented.

hf
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Re: Sandy Hook: How does a 110 lbs kid (working alone)...
I would like to comment on the two officers already being there. There are always 1-3 officers in most schools in America. So the little girl's story about them isn't fishy like you're thinking because they were supposed to be there. However, know we have to think about what these two police officers were doing,if anything, during this act.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17664099


Have they officially stated any police were inside the building while shooting was still occurring?
No.

Will they ever officially release this data saying police were inside the building during this shooting?
No.

Why?
Because it opens a whole lot of questions like you said "what they were doing, if anything, during this act"... if they were in fact inside the school the "whole time" your telling me they didn't once see the shooter "Adam" nor use their police radio's to report what is happening (as at no time does in the recording does an actual police mention shots actually being fired... and the recording starts when dispatch first gets the call about shots being fired by a nearby local resident)...

I understand police can be inside schools... but if you look at the evidence in THIS case... it makes no sense for them to of been there (unless they hid in a corner for ~3-4 minutes while a massacre occurred... and then decided not to report it on their radios at all for some reason (which they ~3 minutes later start using, so obviously had on them). Why wait until other police arrive on scene to start using their radio to report their status inside the building?
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I would like to comment on the two officers already being there. There are always 1-3 officers in most schools in America. So the little girl's story about them isn't fishy like you're thinking because they were supposed to be there. However, know we have to think about what these two police officers were doing,if anything, during this act.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17664099


Have they officially stated any police were inside the building while shooting was still occurring?
No.

Will they ever officially release this data saying police were inside the building during this shooting?
No.

Why?
Because it opens a whole lot of questions like you said "what they were doing, if anything, during this act"... if they were in fact inside the school the "whole time" your telling me they didn't once see the shooter "Adam" nor use their police radio's to report what is happening (as at no time does in the recording does an actual police mention shots actually being fired... and the recording starts when dispatch first gets the call about shots being fired by a nearby local resident)...

I understand police can be inside schools... but if you look at the evidence in THIS case... it makes no sense for them to of been there (unless they hid in a corner for ~3-4 minutes while a massacre occurred... and then decided not to report it on their radios at all for some reason (which they ~3 minutes later start using, so obviously had on them). Why wait until other police arrive on scene to start using their radio to report their status inside the building?
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The answer is staring you in the face.

hiding
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Re: Sandy Hook: How does a 110 lbs kid (working alone)...
How does a ~110 lbs kid (working alone)...

1. Shoot through a bulletproof glass door making a hole large enough to walk though using an just the AR (16 bullets) which is the official story as of now?

2. Have the schools power go out moments after the first shot is fired, killing all video surveillance, and electronically controlled door locks.

-Powerout
Fox News Interview of a Student (video)
"We were just in the middle of gym, when we heard gunshots, then the power (muffled) went out."
[link to www.yankeewaterfowler.net] (video)
(sorry for the crappy link... wish it was on YouTube... this is a VERY important video clip for multiple reasons so I do suggest you watch it... notice anything else weird that this girl says? Anyways I'll get to that at the end....).

-Doors Would Not Lock
"Once the shooting began, Mr Varga tried to lock the door to the conference room. When he found out the door would not lock, the teacher then ran down a smoke-filled hallway to safety but turned back to help his fellow staff escape." (also notice the mention of smoke-filled hallways... haven't heard that mentioned much before either)
[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]

3. Carry so much stuff, yet have professional marksman aim!!!
(I find it funny it is taking them so long to announce OFFICIALLY the weapon count & type... they have to be very careful what weapons "they" announce here which is why they are taking so long).

-We know he had at least 1 pistol (at very least used to "kill himself"). It will most likely be officially announced as 2 (one used on the administrative staff at the front of the school, and a single bullet from the 2nd pistol to "kill himself"...) but lets just call it 1 pistol for now.

-We know he had at least 1 AR as officially it an AR was used for most the injuries/deaths (although MULTIPLE are mentioned by first responding at ~4:48 in the first link of this post "be advised we have multiple weapons, including long gun(S) & shotgun(S)". But again lets stick with just 1 since no one is being very transparent with us about wtf was found.

-We know he had at least 1 shotgun (again the quote above mentions multiple but lets stick with 1 for now). I believe officially they will only announce 1 shotgun total... meaning the one in the trunk and that there were none found inside the school.... let's call it a hunch... but hey lets go with their story for now that at least 1 shotgun is also found inside the school.

-Extra ammo for the guns. From what I recall hearing officially there was at least 3 clips of ammo used for the AR (16 bullets into the front door, and the rest used later in the classroom(s)). I have heard no mention about other extra clips that may of been on scene, so we will just stick with 3 extra clips for an AR (even though there was likely other extra ammo on scene as well).

-We have accounts of the hallways being filled with smoke. Since there was no account of a fire magically starting we can only assume it was smoke grenades (similar to the Aurora shootings... how interesting). So lets say 1 smoke grenade, even though it was most likely multiple.

-He was apparently wearing body armor (I assume has to weigh 10 or more lbs at least...).

-At least 1 smoke grenade (most likely multiple)

-He was apparently also wearing a mask (which would restrict breathing and be especially exhausting if doing something as active as running around shooting people (I can't think of any situation which could possibly raise your heart rate higher/faster) all the while carrying all that extra weight. A mask would also somewhat restrict vision, yet "Adam" from the official version sounds like he had a well above expected hit/miss ratio considering the person/situation.

Ok so here we have it...
-1 pistol (most likely 2 pistols)
-1 AR (even though multiple are mentioned, in the end it will likely be reported 1 AR total... again a hunch.)
-1 Shotgun (again even though multiple are mentioned. I think in the final story it will be 1 total (the one in the trunk... but how did it get there if it was at one point inside the school to be seen? I won't get into that now)
-Full ammo for all 3+ weapons + at least 3 clips of extra ammo for the AR (most likely more ammo for all the weapons).
-a ~10 lbs bulletproof vest.
-1 Smoke Grenade (most likely more)
-A mask which would restrict vision/breathing (and having in the first place makes no sense if you plan on killing yourself).

Doesn't that seem like a lot of weight for a ~110 kid to be carrying around without issue while having professional accuracy none the less?

Anyways just curious about peoples thoughts on the 3 points I mentioned above.



...Oh and on a side note I am also kind of curious why no one seems to be mentioning the 3 people should of been taken into custody based on radio/video evidence but only 1 ended up being taken in... and that 1 man was later let go. How does 2 become 1 become 0 (~15 min delay) become 1 in custody?

Lastly and BY FAR most important, why is it that no one seems to be questions how 2 police were inside the school DURING the shooting... yes you heard that right.

"then police men came in, and they um just like asked if um he was in here. But then we had climbed to the closets and um we heard more gunshots..."
[link to www.yankeewaterfowler.net]
(again sorry for the crappy link... really which is IMPORTANT video was on youtube)

Really? (2) Police ask you if you have seen him and then shortly after that there was more gunshots? Why did no one on the police scanner report first hand shots fired at any point? Why is it commonly believed that the first police didn't show up 10-20 mins after shooting stopped when in fact based on this little girl they were inside when the shooting was happening (and even based on police scanner recording shows 2 police inside the school in less then ~2 after shooting stopped...) and how the hell were 2 police officers already inside the school DURING the shooting to begin with? (and coincidentally both don't use their police radio's until after the shooting stops and play the most important police roll of the day, chasing 2 people/suspects, announcing the wrong weapons on scene, finding Adam's body... as heard in the first link of this post...)?

I won't push my theory to hard on people... but I think you get the jist of where you should start putting some of your research/focus. Timeline the events/police activity using any "official" audio/video you can about the event and see if you come up with a similar "discrepancy" that doesn't seem to at all be mentioned... who were the 2 police INSIDE the school magically DURING the shooting (police presence during the actual shooting goes directly against the official story by the way... yet can be proven) and why didn't they use their police radio's until after more police arrived on scene ~2-3 minutes later (and why were both these men so interested in drawing attention away from the schools back door, and constantly reinforcing the idea for the other early responding police to watch the front entrance on the police scanners?).

Makes ya think...

I guess now I just wait for the shill attacks to come huh? 1dunno1
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28724521


a mass shooting had JUST taken place, the gunman could've still be at large hiding out hence the reason to arrest ANYONE looking the slightest bit out of place.

details were very sketchy and were coming in in dribs and drabs, the media were just trying to put a breaking story together.

that little girl probably didn't know what day it was after possibly seeing her friends murdered, can you imagine the terror they went through???

why don't you drop all this shit, out of respect of the dead, it's getting beyond a joke.
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What's the matter? Critical thinking too much for you brit pussies?
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Good work OP! Its a total Psyop and the sheep are buying it in bulk.

I think there was at least a 3-4 person team. One person had to handle Adam, one had to handle crowd control and at least two had to do the killing. I suspect at least one of the shooters was also a woman...NOBODY suspects a woman in these situations and it would be Waaaaaay easier for a librarinish looking woman to blend in to the crowd once the deed was done.

Also, if at least 200 rounds were fired, why do all of the witnesses only recall hearing a few pop pops here and there? Two hundred round would be ALOT of POP POPS!!! Which is why I suspect the use of silenced weapons in addition to the one they framed adam with.

Of course since the parents were not allowed to see their children it is possible that they were just gassed to death and the use of silenced weapons was not needed.

I think maybe 10-15 real kids died and the rest were plants with fake familys.
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I would like to comment on the two officers already being there. There are always 1-3 officers in most schools in America. So the little girl's story about them isn't fishy like you're thinking because they were supposed to be there. However, know we have to think about what these two police officers were doing,if anything, during this act.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17664099


Have they officially stated any police were inside the building while shooting was still occurring?
No.

Will they ever officially release this data saying police were inside the building during this shooting?
No.

Why?
Because it opens a whole lot of questions like you said "what they were doing, if anything, during this act"... if they were in fact inside the school the "whole time" your telling me they didn't once see the shooter "Adam" nor use their police radio's to report what is happening (as at no time does in the recording does an actual police mention shots actually being fired... and the recording starts when dispatch first gets the call about shots being fired by a nearby local resident)...

I understand police can be inside schools... but if you look at the evidence in THIS case... it makes no sense for them to of been there (unless they hid in a corner for ~3-4 minutes while a massacre occurred... and then decided not to report it on their radios at all for some reason (which they ~3 minutes later start using, so obviously had on them). Why wait until other police arrive on scene to start using their radio to report their status inside the building?
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The answer is staring you in the face.

hiding
 Quoting: 13th-Century


As I said in my original post... I don't want to push my "theory" on people... my goal is more to shine light on some "interesting" info not many people seems to be mentioning (especially about the on site police). But yes it is staring me us the face... and trust me I more then understand what you are referring to.

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