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How does a ~110 lbs kid (working alone)...

1. Shoot through a bulletproof glass door making a hole large enough to walk though using an just the AR (16 bullets) which is the official story as of now?

2. Have the schools power go out moments after the first shot is fired, killing all video surveillance, and electronically controlled door locks.

-Powerout
Fox News Interview of a Student (video)
"We were just in the middle of gym, when we heard gunshots, then the power (muffled) went out."
[link to www.yankeewaterfowler.net] (video)
(sorry for the crappy link... wish it was on YouTube... this is a VERY important video clip for multiple reasons so I do suggest you watch it... notice anything else weird that this girl says? Anyways I'll get to that at the end....).

-Doors Would Not Lock
"Once the shooting began, Mr Varga tried to lock the door to the conference room. When he found out the door would not lock, the teacher then ran down a smoke-filled hallway to safety but turned back to help his fellow staff escape." (also notice the mention of smoke-filled hallways... haven't heard that mentioned much before either)
[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]

3. Carry so much stuff, yet have professional marksman aim!!!
(I find it funny it is taking them so long to announce OFFICIALLY the weapon count & type... they have to be very careful what weapons "they" announce here which is why they are taking so long).

-We know he had at least 1 pistol (at very least used to "kill himself"). It will most likely be officially announced as 2 (one used on the administrative staff at the front of the school, and a single bullet from the 2nd pistol to "kill himself"...) but lets just call it 1 pistol for now.

-We know he had at least 1 AR as officially it an AR was used for most the injuries/deaths (although MULTIPLE are mentioned by first responding at ~4:48 in the first link of this post "be advised we have multiple weapons, including long gun(S) & shotgun(S)". But again lets stick with just 1 since no one is being very transparent with us about wtf was found.

-We know he had at least 1 shotgun (again the quote above mentions multiple but lets stick with 1 for now). I believe officially they will only announce 1 shotgun total... meaning the one in the trunk and that there were none found inside the school.... let's call it a hunch... but hey lets go with their story for now that at least 1 shotgun is also found inside the school.

-Extra ammo for the guns. From what I recall hearing officially there was at least 3 clips of ammo used for the AR (16 bullets into the front door, and the rest used later in the classroom(s)). I have heard no mention about other extra clips that may of been on scene, so we will just stick with 3 extra clips for an AR (even though there was likely other extra ammo on scene as well).

-We have accounts of the hallways being filled with smoke. Since there was no account of a fire magically starting we can only assume it was smoke grenades (similar to the Aurora shootings... how interesting). So lets say 1 smoke grenade, even though it was most likely multiple.

-He was apparently wearing body armor (I assume has to weigh 10 or more lbs at least...).

-At least 1 smoke grenade (most likely multiple)

-He was apparently also wearing a mask (which would restrict breathing and be especially exhausting if doing something as active as running around shooting people (I can't think of any situation which could possibly raise your heart rate higher/faster) all the while carrying all that extra weight. A mask would also somewhat restrict vision, yet "Adam" from the official version sounds like he had a well above expected hit/miss ratio considering the person/situation.

Ok so here we have it...
-1 pistol (most likely 2 pistols)
-1 AR (even though multiple are mentioned, in the end it will likely be reported 1 AR total... again a hunch.)
-1 Shotgun (again even though multiple are mentioned. I think in the final story it will be 1 total (the one in the trunk... but how did it get there if it was at one point inside the school to be seen? I won't get into that now)
-Full ammo for all 3+ weapons + at least 3 clips of extra ammo for the AR (most likely more ammo for all the weapons).
-a ~10 lbs bulletproof vest.
-1 Smoke Grenade (most likely more)
-A mask which would restrict vision/breathing (and having in the first place makes no sense if you plan on killing yourself).

Doesn't that seem like a lot of weight for a ~110 kid to be carrying around without issue while having professional accuracy none the less?

Anyways just curious about peoples thoughts on the 3 points I mentioned above.



...Oh and on a side note I am also kind of curious why no one seems to be mentioning the 3 people should of been taken into custody based on radio/video evidence but only 1 ended up being taken in... and that 1 man was later let go. How does 2 become 1 become 0 (~15 min delay) become 1 in custody?

Lastly and BY FAR most important, why is it that no one seems to be questions how 2 police were inside the school DURING the shooting... yes you heard that right.

"then police men came in, and they um just like asked if um he was in here. But then we had climbed to the closets and um we heard more gunshots..."
[link to www.yankeewaterfowler.net]
(again sorry for the crappy link... really which is IMPORTANT video was on youtube)

Really? (2) Police ask you if you have seen him and then shortly after that there was more gunshots? Why did no one on the police scanner report first hand shots fired at any point? Why is it commonly believed that the first police didn't show up 10-20 mins after shooting stopped when in fact based on this little girl they were inside when the shooting was happening (and even based on police scanner recording shows 2 police inside the school in less then ~2 after shooting stopped...) and how the hell were 2 police officers already inside the school DURING the shooting to begin with? (and coincidentally both don't use their police radio's until after the shooting stops and play the most important police roll of the day, chasing 2 people/suspects, announcing the wrong weapons on scene, finding Adam's body... as heard in the first link of this post...)?

I won't push my theory to hard on people... but I think you get the jist of where you should start putting some of your research/focus. Timeline the events/police activity using any "official" audio/video you can about the event and see if you come up with a similar "discrepancy" that doesn't seem to at all be mentioned... who were the 2 police INSIDE the school magically DURING the shooting (police presence during the actual shooting goes directly against the official story by the way... yet can be proven) and why didn't they use their police radio's until after more police arrived on scene ~2-3 minutes later (and why were both these men so interested in drawing attention away from the schools back door, and constantly reinforcing the idea for the other early responding police to watch the front entrance on the police scanners?).

Makes ya think...

I guess now I just wait for the shill attacks to come huh? 1dunno1
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Because...HE DOESN'T! Good work, OP. You are a credit to the human race!

I hope everyone spreads this news far and wide. The truth will set us free!
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Re: Sandy Hook: How does a 110 lbs kid (working alone)...
How does a ~110 lbs kid (working alone)...

Answer - He doesn't and he didn't.
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Scrawny little guys are usually scrappy and have good stamina. We had little Filipino guys in my old army platoon that we could load down like pack mules and road march them all day. They were little energizer bunnies. The big muscleheads would tire out way before they did. plus you can stack a bunch of them and it's still comfortable in a M113 for sleeping.
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I feel compelled to respond to this.

Don't you think those dudes you are talking about, had to prove themselves every day? Who gets picked on in the Army more than filipino and mexican dudes? Of course they made great tunnel rats and pack mules as you so nicely describe. Like Bruce Lee was also strong as hell, but I think he weighed in around 150 or so, so you're not being really truthful.

Anyway, you think Adams mom had him out doing squat thrusts each day and carrying water? Fuck no. BZZZT! try again.
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Re: Sandy Hook: How does a 110 lbs kid (working alone)...
let's add to all this this question:

How come none of the grown-ups had the idea to sneak behind him and put him on the ground? I mean, a 110lbs (that's about 60kg, right?) would not be that hard to push to the ground, especially with all that gear on, you can get out of balance easily.

Ok, I realize this is "unrealistic", but considering we had the teacher who had the spirit to hide those kids, how come no other teacher had the same spirit? There must have been many teachers in the school.

It all sounds as if some sort of Swat team did the massacre and not a 20yo, 110lbs kid.
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Re: Sandy Hook: How does a 110 lbs kid (working alone)...
GET THE REAL ANSWERS BY READING "Who Was Nancy Lanza and Why Adam Killed Her First!" FROM [link to www.drturi.com]
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Re: Sandy Hook: How does a 110 lbs kid (working alone)...
What is the matter with our society? And why is a judge requiring a pedo pay a fine to Newtown?

"Ohio coach's sentence includes $5G donation for Newtown

Published December 19, 2012

Associated Press

CANTON, Ohio – A former high school basketball coach who pleaded guilty to videotaping boys in a locker room shower was sentenced Wednesday to 15 years in prison and ordered to give $5,000 to the Connecticut community where a gunman killed 26 people."

Read more: [link to www.foxnews.com]
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Re: Sandy Hook: How does a 110 lbs kid (working alone)...
i remember them saying his mother prepared his meals for him,why, was he too stupid to cook food, when she left for a trip to n.h. she prepared all his meals,
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Over mothering and schizophrenia seem to go hand in hand.
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Aspberger's is NOT schizophrenia.
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Autistic/Asberegers children have an 80% chance of developing schizphrenia or other mental disorders in adulthood...
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BULLSHIT!
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GET THE REAL ANSWERS BY READING "Who Was Nancy Lanza and Why Adam Killed Her First!" FROM [link to www.drturi.com]
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Uh, that's some stupid shit there. You got your PHD in Astro-tauruofecality perhaps?
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GET THE REAL ANSWERS BY READING "Who Was Nancy Lanza and Why Adam Killed Her First!" FROM [link to www.drturi.com]
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Uh, that's some stupid shit there. You got your PHD in Astro-tauruofecality perhaps?
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Church shitting more likely.
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Re: Sandy Hook: How does a 110 lbs kid (working alone)...
And, lets not forget that the msm keeps stating that he had PLENTY of ammo, which means that he had to have had tons of clips or a can or a bandolier to carry it all.
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The gunman in the Connecticut shooting rampage was carrying an arsenal of hundreds of rounds of especially deadly ammunition — enough to kill just about every student in the school if given enough time, authorities said Sunday, raising the specter that the bloodbath could have been far worse.

Adam Lanza shot himself in the head just as he heard police drawing near to the classroom where he was slaughtering helpless children, but he had more ammunition at the ready in the form of multiple, high-capacity clips each capable of holding 30 bullets.
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Re: Sandy Hook: How does a 110 lbs kid (working alone)...
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E-X-T-R-E-M-E-L-Y

I-M-P-O-R-T-A-N-T




Unfortunately in this fluoridated food poisoned GMO'ed country full of men raped by divorce and financially disabled, and women who have been mind-whipped into running a hampster wheel of slavery to satisfy a presumed necessary "career image", knowing this won't matter. We lost.

The war on America happened at the grass roots level, and the enemy won. Everyone is hurting so much from the wounds issued them via the psychiatric war called feminism, and so caught in debt caused by tax slavery and the perceived need to live at a certain level, people are too demoralized by porn and hurt by the loss of family; people are too stressed and worried about their own problems to do anything about this, even though the enemy has been more than caught red-handed.

If America does not go into revolution mode and expunge every corrupt animal from every government office, including many professors in the colleges and everyone working at the local "social services" offices, every judge over family courts, every skank in the military supporting this government;

If people just let them get away with stealing 20 children to sell as slaves*, and using that to ban guns, well, this is the litmus test. Fail it, and it's game over.

If they come for the guns, don't sit by idly watching your neighbor get raided, if you see that crap happening, load your 30-6, or your 12 gauge WITH SLUGS AND NOTHING ELSE, or your .270 and start shooting. No other civilian calibers are good against the body armor, and you can forget about any handguns, those are trash.

There is not one single handgun that even has as much usability in combat as a 22 magnum fired from a long rifle. Of all the civilian long rifle rounds, the one they fear the most is the .270, which has a super high velocity, small cross section, and long bullet. It's a penetration round; the body armor will not work.

Body armor will work against an AK-47, SKS, 7.62X39, .223, 22, and any other small round, including shotguns loaded with 0000 buck shot. Forget bird shot. Slugs won't penetrate, but you will break the bastard's back or give him a concussion. Keep in mind that any long term shooting will likely result in a "natural gas explosion". Hit and run.

I am actually somewhat versed with civilian arms, but never made that a point on this web site. It's time to say it now - your most usable calibers will be 30.06, .270, and slugs. And the champion is the .270 when it comes to dealing with body armor. There are not enough .50 cals out there, and if you own one, you know what it is. I am not going to mention any of the unusual rounds, I know what is out there the most. The 30.06 will be most used because it is the most common of those that have a good chance with body armor.

-- Courtesy of Jim Stone Freelance, updated Dec. 22nd

* Footnote:

According to conspiracy nuts, the 20 children were shipped in those white 18-wheelers in the school parking lot.... straight to Denver.
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White 18-wheelers?? I've read a lot on this shooting, watched videos and news reports and haven't seen such. If you have one, please post a link giving a picture of these white trailers.

In our community, not directly affecting by the shootings, there has been conversation about not seeing what we might have expected in the way of ambulances and other emergency vehicles and many have asked what ambulances were not lined up at the school waiting to transport victims.
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How does a ~110 lbs kid (working alone)...

1. Shoot through a bulletproof glass door making a hole large enough to walk though using an just the AR (16 bullets) which is the official story as of now?

2. Have the schools power go out moments after the first shot is fired, killing all video surveillance, and electronically controlled door locks.

-Powerout
Fox News Interview of a Student (video)
"We were just in the middle of gym, when we heard gunshots, then the power (muffled) went out."
[link to www.yankeewaterfowler.net] (video)
(sorry for the crappy link... wish it was on YouTube... this is a VERY important video clip for multiple reasons so I do suggest you watch it... notice anything else weird that this girl says? Anyways I'll get to that at the end....).

-Doors Would Not Lock
"Once the shooting began, Mr Varga tried to lock the door to the conference room. When he found out the door would not lock, the teacher then ran down a smoke-filled hallway to safety but turned back to help his fellow staff escape." (also notice the mention of smoke-filled hallways... haven't heard that mentioned much before either)
[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]

3. Carry so much stuff, yet have professional marksman aim!!!
(I find it funny it is taking them so long to announce OFFICIALLY the weapon count & type... they have to be very careful what weapons "they" announce here which is why they are taking so long).

-We know he had at least 1 pistol (at very least used to "kill himself"). It will most likely be officially announced as 2 (one used on the administrative staff at the front of the school, and a single bullet from the 2nd pistol to "kill himself"...) but lets just call it 1 pistol for now.

-We know he had at least 1 AR as officially it an AR was used for most the injuries/deaths (although MULTIPLE are mentioned by first responding at ~4:48 in the first link of this post "be advised we have multiple weapons, including long gun(S) & shotgun(S)". But again lets stick with just 1 since no one is being very transparent with us about wtf was found.

-We know he had at least 1 shotgun (again the quote above mentions multiple but lets stick with 1 for now). I believe officially they will only announce 1 shotgun total... meaning the one in the trunk and that there were none found inside the school.... let's call it a hunch... but hey lets go with their story for now that at least 1 shotgun is also found inside the school.

-Extra ammo for the guns. From what I recall hearing officially there was at least 3 clips of ammo used for the AR (16 bullets into the front door, and the rest used later in the classroom(s)). I have heard no mention about other extra clips that may of been on scene, so we will just stick with 3 extra clips for an AR (even though there was likely other extra ammo on scene as well).

-We have accounts of the hallways being filled with smoke. Since there was no account of a fire magically starting we can only assume it was smoke grenades (similar to the Aurora shootings... how interesting). So lets say 1 smoke grenade, even though it was most likely multiple.

-He was apparently wearing body armor (I assume has to weigh 10 or more lbs at least...).

-At least 1 smoke grenade (most likely multiple)

-He was apparently also wearing a mask (which would restrict breathing and be especially exhausting if doing something as active as running around shooting people (I can't think of any situation which could possibly raise your heart rate higher/faster) all the while carrying all that extra weight. A mask would also somewhat restrict vision, yet "Adam" from the official version sounds like he had a well above expected hit/miss ratio considering the person/situation.

Ok so here we have it...
-1 pistol (most likely 2 pistols)
-1 AR (even though multiple are mentioned, in the end it will likely be reported 1 AR total... again a hunch.)
-1 Shotgun (again even though multiple are mentioned. I think in the final story it will be 1 total (the one in the trunk... but how did it get there if it was at one point inside the school to be seen? I won't get into that now)
-Full ammo for all 3+ weapons + at least 3 clips of extra ammo for the AR (most likely more ammo for all the weapons).
-a ~10 lbs bulletproof vest.
-1 Smoke Grenade (most likely more)
-A mask which would restrict vision/breathing (and having in the first place makes no sense if you plan on killing yourself).

Doesn't that seem like a lot of weight for a ~110 kid to be carrying around without issue while having professional accuracy none the less?

Anyways just curious about peoples thoughts on the 3 points I mentioned above.



...Oh and on a side note I am also kind of curious why no one seems to be mentioning the 3 people should of been taken into custody based on radio/video evidence but only 1 ended up being taken in... and that 1 man was later let go. How does 2 become 1 become 0 (~15 min delay) become 1 in custody?

Lastly and BY FAR most important, why is it that no one seems to be questions how 2 police were inside the school DURING the shooting... yes you heard that right.

"then police men came in, and they um just like asked if um he was in here. But then we had climbed to the closets and um we heard more gunshots..."
[link to www.yankeewaterfowler.net]
(again sorry for the crappy link... really which is IMPORTANT video was on youtube)

Really? (2) Police ask you if you have seen him and then shortly after that there was more gunshots? Why did no one on the police scanner report first hand shots fired at any point? Why is it commonly believed that the first police didn't show up 10-20 mins after shooting stopped when in fact based on this little girl they were inside when the shooting was happening (and even based on police scanner recording shows 2 police inside the school in less then ~2 after shooting stopped...) and how the hell were 2 police officers already inside the school DURING the shooting to begin with? (and coincidentally both don't use their police radio's until after the shooting stops and play the most important police roll of the day, chasing 2 people/suspects, announcing the wrong weapons on scene, finding Adam's body... as heard in the first link of this post...)?

I won't push my theory to hard on people... but I think you get the jist of where you should start putting some of your research/focus. Timeline the events/police activity using any "official" audio/video you can about the event and see if you come up with a similar "discrepancy" that doesn't seem to at all be mentioned... who were the 2 police INSIDE the school magically DURING the shooting (police presence during the actual shooting goes directly against the official story by the way... yet can be proven) and why didn't they use their police radio's until after more police arrived on scene ~2-3 minutes later (and why were both these men so interested in drawing attention away from the schools back door, and constantly reinforcing the idea for the other early responding police to watch the front entrance on the police scanners?).

Makes ya think...

I guess now I just wait for the shill attacks to come huh? 1dunno1
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The Way you describe it there's no way.

Since You've made all this Bullshit up,It doesn't really matter..
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Re: Sandy Hook: How does a 110 lbs kid (working alone)...
I would like to comment on the two officers already being there. There are always 1-3 officers in most schools in America. So the little girl's story about them isn't fishy like you're thinking because they were supposed to be there. However, know we have to think about what these two police officers were doing,if anything, during this act.
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If there are "resource officers" in a school, the kids know them and can call them by name.
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I would like to comment on the two officers already being there. There are always 1-3 officers in most schools in America. So the little girl's story about them isn't fishy like you're thinking because they were supposed to be there. However, know we have to think about what these two police officers were doing,if anything, during this act.
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Have they officially stated any police were inside the building while shooting was still occurring?
No.

Will they ever officially release this data saying police were inside the building during this shooting?
No.

Why?
Because it opens a whole lot of questions like you said "what they were doing, if anything, during this act"... if they were in fact inside the school the "whole time" your telling me they didn't once see the shooter "Adam" nor use their police radio's to report what is happening (as at no time does in the recording does an actual police mention shots actually being fired... and the recording starts when dispatch first gets the call about shots being fired by a nearby local resident)...

I understand police can be inside schools... but if you look at the evidence in THIS case... it makes no sense for them to of been there (unless they hid in a corner for ~3-4 minutes while a massacre occurred... and then decided not to report it on their radios at all for some reason (which they ~3 minutes later start using, so obviously had on them). Why wait until other police arrive on scene to start using their radio to report their status inside the building?
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I'll suggest they used their radios because they were caught inside the building.
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Can you open up a murder trial in court.....with just pictures of the victim?
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It's much more difficult. The legal rule is known as corpus delicti:

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Corpus Delicti is one of the most important concepts in a murder investigation. When a person disappears and cannot be contacted, many police agencies initiate a missing person case. If, during the course of the investigation, detectives believe that he/she has been murdered, then a "body" of evidentiary items, including physical, demonstrative, and testimonial evidence, must be obtained to establish that the missing individual has indeed been murdered before a suspect can be charged with homicide. The best and easiest evidence establishment in these cases is the physical body of the deceased. However, in the event that a physical body is not obviously present or has not yet been discovered, it is possible to prove a crime took place if sufficient circumstantial evidence is presented to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.
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GET THE REAL ANSWERS BY READING "Who Was Nancy Lanza and Why Adam Killed Her First!" FROM [link to www.drturi.com]
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Uh, that's some stupid shit there. You got your PHD in Astro-tauruofecality perhaps?
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Church shitting more likely.
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lol

Anyway, of all the lies being perpetuated by the cops and autorities and federal agents in regards to this event, I think dude in this thread is correct that the lights going off is a big one.

But hey, there's more lies being pushed by all the enforcers, than there are truths! I mean how many cops and federalies were on scene for this event? something like 2000 or so? And what's with the helicopter shots of the fire station where the fire trucks and cars are all parked like a movie set, with no traffic flowing in or out?

I think this event is essentially, the end of the state of Connecticut, it never really was a real state anyway, complete BS. Some whacky lady colonized it from Boston, utter nonsense. I say Rhode Island should absorb it, since the book "Black Mass" explains that all drugs in that area come through Rhode Island. So CT is just a hemorrhoid anyway. Even the suggestion that the Patriots were gonna move there is fucking laughable.
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the whole thing stinks to high heaven....

gun confiscation is the agenda....
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How does a ~110 lbs kid (working alone)...

Answer - He doesn't and he didn't.
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Scrawny little guys are usually scrappy and have good stamina. We had little Filipino guys in my old army platoon that we could load down like pack mules and road march them all day. They were little energizer bunnies. The big muscleheads would tire out way before they did. plus you can stack a bunch of them and it's still comfortable in a M113 for sleeping.
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I feel compelled to respond to this.

Don't you think those dudes you are talking about, had to prove themselves every day? Who gets picked on in the Army more than filipino and mexican dudes? Of course they made great tunnel rats and pack mules as you so nicely describe. Like Bruce Lee was also strong as hell, but I think he weighed in around 150 or so, so you're not being really truthful.

Anyway, you think Adams mom had him out doing squat thrusts each day and carrying water? Fuck no. BZZZT! try again.
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i think Adam's mom was the driving force behind the
whole operation (for what reason, we don't know), but
she got cold feet and the last minute, and Adam got pissed, and it was too late for Nancy:
she had indoctrinated Adam so thoroughly to the primacy
of the mission that Adam kill her so she couldn't interfere
(she had also made him into cold-blooded nerves of steel).
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simulation hasn't got any weight xcept what fag shills give it
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-Powerout
Fox News Interview of a Student (video)
"We were just in the middle of gym, when we heard gunshots, then the power (muffled) went out."
[link to www.yankeewaterfowler.net] (video)
(sorry for the crappy link... wish it was on YouTube... this is a VERY important video clip for multiple reasons so I do suggest you watch it... notice anything else weird that this girl says? Anyways I'll get to that at the end....).
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OP- Just a heads-up. I posted that video link on another thread, I uploaded that video on my server! I don't trust YT (They Might remove it).
That way IM the boss and only I can remove the video, not YT!

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i think Adam's mom was the driving force behind the
whole operation (for what reason, we don't know), but
she got cold feet and the last minute, and Adam got pissed, and it was too late for Nancy:
she had indoctrinated Adam so thoroughly to the primacy
of the mission that Adam kill her so she couldn't interfere
(she had also made him into cold-blooded nerves of steel).
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Right, and also, your mom was behind the Belfast bombings.

Tool.
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simulation hasn't got any weight xcept what fag shills give it
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you must be one of the Sandy Hook Brethren.
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Re: Sandy Hook: How does a 110 lbs kid (working alone)...
Nice summary of what I am sure, after reading all the post on GLP this past week, many of us have been thinking. Would it not be cool if we all, together, actually started a thread, why not here, or a page with a white board, and built a time lime (complete with where the data for the timeline came from). Problem is, it would be riddled with idiots and shills and arguments would turn to everything other than what the task was at hand. I think we should at least try though.
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Someone needs to moderate a forum for the purpose of what you just described here - and delete/ban ALL shills and those who want to argue. It should be strictly a concise and detailed compilation of everything that contradicts the "official" reports.
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Re: Sandy Hook: How does a 110 lbs kid (working alone)...
i think Adam's mom was the driving force behind the
whole operation (for what reason, we don't know), but
she got cold feet and the last minute, and Adam got pissed, and it was too late for Nancy:
she had indoctrinated Adam so thoroughly to the primacy
of the mission that Adam kill her so she couldn't interfere
(she had also made him into cold-blooded nerves of steel).
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Right, and also, your mom was behind the Belfast bombings.

Tool.
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What makes you think a woman who was so obsessed with guns could not have planned something like that? I'm not saying the poster is correct, but the woman was clearly mentally disturbed - it's simply not normal for a female to be that paranoid and gun-obsessed.
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-Powerout
Fox News Interview of a Student (video)
"We were just in the middle of gym, when we heard gunshots, then the power (muffled) went out."
[link to www.yankeewaterfowler.net] (video)
(sorry for the crappy link... wish it was on YouTube... this is a VERY important video clip for multiple reasons so I do suggest you watch it... notice anything else weird that this girl says? Anyways I'll get to that at the end....).
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OP- Just a heads-up. I posted that video link on another thread, I uploaded that video on my server! I don't trust YT (They Might remove it).
That way IM the boss and only I can remove the video, not YT!
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Also:
If anyone wants to download that video (Via Right Click) and upload to YT, You May! I'll keep it on my server as a backup
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Re: Sandy Hook: How does a 110 lbs kid (working alone)...
How does a ~110 lbs kid (working alone)...

1. Shoot through a bulletproof glass door making a hole large enough to walk though using an just the AR (16 bullets) which is the official story as of now?

2. Have the schools power go out moments after the first shot is fired, killing all video surveillance, and electronically controlled door locks.

-Powerout
Fox News Interview of a Student (video)
"We were just in the middle of gym, when we heard gunshots, then the power (muffled) went out."
[link to www.yankeewaterfowler.net] (video)
(sorry for the crappy link... wish it was on YouTube... this is a VERY important video clip for multiple reasons so I do suggest you watch it... notice anything else weird that this girl says? Anyways I'll get to that at the end....).

-Doors Would Not Lock
"Once the shooting began, Mr Varga tried to lock the door to the conference room. When he found out the door would not lock, the teacher then ran down a smoke-filled hallway to safety but turned back to help his fellow staff escape." (also notice the mention of smoke-filled hallways... haven't heard that mentioned much before either)
[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]

3. Carry so much stuff, yet have professional marksman aim!!!
(I find it funny it is taking them so long to announce OFFICIALLY the weapon count & type... they have to be very careful what weapons "they" announce here which is why they are taking so long).

-We know he had at least 1 pistol (at very least used to "kill himself"). It will most likely be officially announced as 2 (one used on the administrative staff at the front of the school, and a single bullet from the 2nd pistol to "kill himself"...) but lets just call it 1 pistol for now.

-We know he had at least 1 AR as officially it an AR was used for most the injuries/deaths (although MULTIPLE are mentioned by first responding at ~4:48 in the first link of this post "be advised we have multiple weapons, including long gun(S) & shotgun(S)". But again lets stick with just 1 since no one is being very transparent with us about wtf was found.

-We know he had at least 1 shotgun (again the quote above mentions multiple but lets stick with 1 for now). I believe officially they will only announce 1 shotgun total... meaning the one in the trunk and that there were none found inside the school.... let's call it a hunch... but hey lets go with their story for now that at least 1 shotgun is also found inside the school.

-Extra ammo for the guns. From what I recall hearing officially there was at least 3 clips of ammo used for the AR (16 bullets into the front door, and the rest used later in the classroom(s)). I have heard no mention about other extra clips that may of been on scene, so we will just stick with 3 extra clips for an AR (even though there was likely other extra ammo on scene as well).

-We have accounts of the hallways being filled with smoke. Since there was no account of a fire magically starting we can only assume it was smoke grenades (similar to the Aurora shootings... how interesting). So lets say 1 smoke grenade, even though it was most likely multiple.

-He was apparently wearing body armor (I assume has to weigh 10 or more lbs at least...).

-At least 1 smoke grenade (most likely multiple)

-He was apparently also wearing a mask (which would restrict breathing and be especially exhausting if doing something as active as running around shooting people (I can't think of any situation which could possibly raise your heart rate higher/faster) all the while carrying all that extra weight. A mask would also somewhat restrict vision, yet "Adam" from the official version sounds like he had a well above expected hit/miss ratio considering the person/situation.

Ok so here we have it...
-1 pistol (most likely 2 pistols)
-1 AR (even though multiple are mentioned, in the end it will likely be reported 1 AR total... again a hunch.)
-1 Shotgun (again even though multiple are mentioned. I think in the final story it will be 1 total (the one in the trunk... but how did it get there if it was at one point inside the school to be seen? I won't get into that now)
-Full ammo for all 3+ weapons + at least 3 clips of extra ammo for the AR (most likely more ammo for all the weapons).
-a ~10 lbs bulletproof vest.
-1 Smoke Grenade (most likely more)
-A mask which would restrict vision/breathing (and having in the first place makes no sense if you plan on killing yourself).

Doesn't that seem like a lot of weight for a ~110 kid to be carrying around without issue while having professional accuracy none the less?

Anyways just curious about peoples thoughts on the 3 points I mentioned above.



...Oh and on a side note I am also kind of curious why no one seems to be mentioning the 3 people should of been taken into custody based on radio/video evidence but only 1 ended up being taken in... and that 1 man was later let go. How does 2 become 1 become 0 (~15 min delay) become 1 in custody?

Lastly and BY FAR most important, why is it that no one seems to be questions how 2 police were inside the school DURING the shooting... yes you heard that right.

"then police men came in, and they um just like asked if um he was in here. But then we had climbed to the closets and um we heard more gunshots..."
[link to www.yankeewaterfowler.net]
(again sorry for the crappy link... really which is IMPORTANT video was on youtube)

Really? (2) Police ask you if you have seen him and then shortly after that there was more gunshots? Why did no one on the police scanner report first hand shots fired at any point? Why is it commonly believed that the first police didn't show up 10-20 mins after shooting stopped when in fact based on this little girl they were inside when the shooting was happening (and even based on police scanner recording shows 2 police inside the school in less then ~2 after shooting stopped...) and how the hell were 2 police officers already inside the school DURING the shooting to begin with? (and coincidentally both don't use their police radio's until after the shooting stops and play the most important police roll of the day, chasing 2 people/suspects, announcing the wrong weapons on scene, finding Adam's body... as heard in the first link of this post...)?

I won't push my theory to hard on people... but I think you get the jist of where you should start putting some of your research/focus. Timeline the events/police activity using any "official" audio/video you can about the event and see if you come up with a similar "discrepancy" that doesn't seem to at all be mentioned... who were the 2 police INSIDE the school magically DURING the shooting (police presence during the actual shooting goes directly against the official story by the way... yet can be proven) and why didn't they use their police radio's until after more police arrived on scene ~2-3 minutes later (and why were both these men so interested in drawing attention away from the schools back door, and constantly reinforcing the idea for the other early responding police to watch the front entrance on the police scanners?).

Makes ya think...

I guess now I just wait for the shill attacks to come huh? 1dunno1
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He didn't. Adam Lanza didn't kill anyone. He's another victim of a professional government black ops kill team just like the ones in Aurora, or the Gifford case, or the Sikh temple....and JFK and RFK and God knows how many others for decades.

I hate seeing this kid demonized for something of which there IS NO EVIDENCE that he did and considerable evidence that he didn't or couldn't.
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How does a ~110 lbs kid (working alone)...

1. Shoot through a bulletproof glass door making a hole large enough to walk though using an just the AR (16 bullets) which is the official story as of now?

2. Have the schools power go out moments after the first shot is fired, killing all video surveillance, and electronically controlled door locks.

-Powerout
Fox News Interview of a Student (video)
"We were just in the middle of gym, when we heard gunshots, then the power (muffled) went out."
[link to www.yankeewaterfowler.net] (video)
(sorry for the crappy link... wish it was on YouTube... this is a VERY important video clip for multiple reasons so I do suggest you watch it... notice anything else weird that this girl says? Anyways I'll get to that at the end....).

-Doors Would Not Lock
"Once the shooting began, Mr Varga tried to lock the door to the conference room. When he found out the door would not lock, the teacher then ran down a smoke-filled hallway to safety but turned back to help his fellow staff escape." (also notice the mention of smoke-filled hallways... haven't heard that mentioned much before either)
[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]

3. Carry so much stuff, yet have professional marksman aim!!!
(I find it funny it is taking them so long to announce OFFICIALLY the weapon count & type... they have to be very careful what weapons "they" announce here which is why they are taking so long).

-We know he had at least 1 pistol (at very least used to "kill himself"). It will most likely be officially announced as 2 (one used on the administrative staff at the front of the school, and a single bullet from the 2nd pistol to "kill himself"...) but lets just call it 1 pistol for now.

-We know he had at least 1 AR as officially it an AR was used for most the injuries/deaths (although MULTIPLE are mentioned by first responding at ~4:48 in the first link of this post "be advised we have multiple weapons, including long gun(S) & shotgun(S)". But again lets stick with just 1 since no one is being very transparent with us about wtf was found.

-We know he had at least 1 shotgun (again the quote above mentions multiple but lets stick with 1 for now). I believe officially they will only announce 1 shotgun total... meaning the one in the trunk and that there were none found inside the school.... let's call it a hunch... but hey lets go with their story for now that at least 1 shotgun is also found inside the school.

-Extra ammo for the guns. From what I recall hearing officially there was at least 3 clips of ammo used for the AR (16 bullets into the front door, and the rest used later in the classroom(s)). I have heard no mention about other extra clips that may of been on scene, so we will just stick with 3 extra clips for an AR (even though there was likely other extra ammo on scene as well).

-We have accounts of the hallways being filled with smoke. Since there was no account of a fire magically starting we can only assume it was smoke grenades (similar to the Aurora shootings... how interesting). So lets say 1 smoke grenade, even though it was most likely multiple.

-He was apparently wearing body armor (I assume has to weigh 10 or more lbs at least...).

-At least 1 smoke grenade (most likely multiple)

-He was apparently also wearing a mask (which would restrict breathing and be especially exhausting if doing something as active as running around shooting people (I can't think of any situation which could possibly raise your heart rate higher/faster) all the while carrying all that extra weight. A mask would also somewhat restrict vision, yet "Adam" from the official version sounds like he had a well above expected hit/miss ratio considering the person/situation.

Ok so here we have it...
-1 pistol (most likely 2 pistols)
-1 AR (even though multiple are mentioned, in the end it will likely be reported 1 AR total... again a hunch.)
-1 Shotgun (again even though multiple are mentioned. I think in the final story it will be 1 total (the one in the trunk... but how did it get there if it was at one point inside the school to be seen? I won't get into that now)
-Full ammo for all 3+ weapons + at least 3 clips of extra ammo for the AR (most likely more ammo for all the weapons).
-a ~10 lbs bulletproof vest.
-1 Smoke Grenade (most likely more)
-A mask which would restrict vision/breathing (and having in the first place makes no sense if you plan on killing yourself).

Doesn't that seem like a lot of weight for a ~110 kid to be carrying around without issue while having professional accuracy none the less?

Anyways just curious about peoples thoughts on the 3 points I mentioned above.



...Oh and on a side note I am also kind of curious why no one seems to be mentioning the 3 people should of been taken into custody based on radio/video evidence but only 1 ended up being taken in... and that 1 man was later let go. How does 2 become 1 become 0 (~15 min delay) become 1 in custody?

Lastly and BY FAR most important, why is it that no one seems to
be questions how 2 police were inside the school DURING the shooting... yes you heard that right.


"then police men came in, and they um just like asked if um he was in here. But then we had climbed to the closets and um we heard more gunshots..."
[link to www.yankeewaterfowler.net]
(again sorry for the crappy link... really which is IMPORTANT video was on youtube)

Really? (2) Police ask you if you have seen him and then shortly after that there was more gunshots? Why did no one on the police scanner report first hand shots fired at any point? Why is it commonly believed that the first police didn't show up 10-20 mins after shooting stopped when in fact based on this little girl they were inside when the shooting was happening (and even based on police scanner recording shows 2 police inside the school in less then ~2 after shooting stopped...) and how the hell were 2 police officers already inside the school DURING the shooting to begin with? (and coincidentally both don't use their police radio's until after the shooting stops and play the most important police roll of the day, chasing 2 people/suspects, announcing the wrong weapons on scene, finding Adam's body... as heard in the first link of this post...)?

I won't push my theory to hard on people... but I think you get the jist of where you should start putting some of your research/focus. Timeline the events/police activity using any "official" audio/video you can about the event and see if you come up with a similar "discrepancy" that doesn't seem to at all be mentioned... who were the 2 police INSIDE the school magically DURING the shooting (police presence during the actual shooting goes directly against the official story by the way... yet can be proven) and why didn't they use their police radio's until after more police arrived on scene ~2-3 minutes later (and why were both these men so interested in drawing attention away from the schools back door, and constantly reinforcing the idea for the other early responding police to watch the front entrance on the police scanners?).

Makes ya think...

I guess now I just wait for the shill attacks to come huh? 1dunno1
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That little girl was the first child I've seen reporting gun shots. Her story clearly seems to be rehearsed as she had to lower her eye lids and bow her head after each section of her memorized speech. In addition, she (like the other non-professional actors I've seen) smile as if they are still rehearsing with the acting coach... As in "am I doing it right, coach?"

This is turning out to be an atrocity!
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i think Adam's mom was the driving force behind the
whole operation (for what reason, we don't know), but
she got cold feet and the last minute, and Adam got pissed, and it was too late for Nancy:
she had indoctrinated Adam so thoroughly to the primacy
of the mission that Adam kill her so she couldn't interfere
(she had also made him into cold-blooded nerves of steel).
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Right, and also, your mom was behind the Belfast bombings.

Tool.
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you must be another one of the Sandy Hook Brethren.

holycrappamoly!
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I think Adam had been working & training with the team
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major red flags for me.
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Why did they originally blame it on Ryan Lanza?
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I wanted to avoid "speculation" but whatever... here is my full theory on what I generally feel happened (don't rip me a new one to hard...).

(taken from an e-mail I sent a buddy yesterday)
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Parties Involved
-2 operatives (both on duty police)
-1 cleaner (civilian)
-1 patsy (Adam Lanza)

Operation Prep (again I had to speculate for this part on what "likely" happened as there is 0 information about what took place at Adam's house... other then the mom died... weapons and her car were taken, and his computer was smashed.)

2 on duty police (1 car) go to Adams moms house early in the morning of the event and go up to her door and knock. They wake her up (still in pajama's which match official story), and tell her a distraction story to gain access to the house (such as your older son "Ryan" has been killed). She lets them in and is frantic as one would expect. They ask is anyone else in the house (knowing there is) then offers something like "would you like me to take Adam for a drive while the other officer gives you the details? Adam is fairly young, and has a mental illness (aspergers) so she would likely prefer that he not see/hear this right now as he wouldn't easily understand. The mom calls down for Adam to come upstairs. People suffering from aspergers even at Adams age normally don't like doing things when told by someone they don't know, and Adam's mom likely told Adam to go with and do whatever this man tells you (otherwise he would likely go into a fit of frustration if his mom wasn't the one that told him, but if she did he would likely be more then willing to do what was asked... his mom tells him to do it... they are police... there is no threat... he knows nothing about the fake Ryan dead story being told to his mother). The officer then brings Adam outside and puts him in the back of the police car and goes back in and makes up a lie about "another" police being out there to drive Adam around while we discuss the details (meanwhile Adam is actually outside in the back of the police car alone). They then start feeding her more details about Ryans death (all made up of course) and ask her if she has anything of Ryan's such as a picture or ideally an old ID (I know when I was that age I use to keep my old ID's... I would give them to my mom and say "I don't know if I still need this", and she would just take it and store it somewhere). She goes to get it from her room upstairs. Once she is upstairs 1 police goes downstairs to gain access to and prep the 4 patsy guns, the other yells up stalling the mom asking her questions "what age was Ryan", "when was the last time you saw him"... and eventually makes his way up stairs as if hes having a hard time hearing her answers. She's in her room at this point looking for a picture/ID of Ryan, which we can assume she found (the ID found in Adams pocket... I'll get into that more later) and hands it to the officer which is now standing in/near her room (most likely right in the door to her room). The 2nd police then makes his way upstairs with 1 of the 4 guns (AR) and shoot her dead on the bed (matches official story). They go downstairs and smash his computer (matches official story, and is used to draw extra attention to Adam being the killer... why else would he smash his computer right? also to possibly destroy some form of traceable evidence (maybe they also spoke to Adam via the internet before all this went down)) Anyways, they then take the 4 prepped and ready weapons (1 of which was used to kill her... again matching official story), grab her car keys (match official story) and put the weapons in the trunks of the car(s) (2 in each car... 1 pistol & 1 AR in the police car with 1 police & Adam and 1 pistol & 1 shotgun in Adam's moms car which the other officer will now drive).

Once the mother is killed, the patsy vehicle is obtained, the patsy is obtained, and the patsy weapons are obtained they make a call to their civilian counterpart (the cleaner) to make sure he is in position. The cleaner arrives at the school well before the shooting, for a legitimate reason and is buzzed in willingly (in this SPECIFIC case the cleaner was their helping his daughters class build gingerbread houses... her class was not shot up and this mans daughter lived the event unharmed... go figure). Anyways the cleaners first job is complete, he has access to the inside of the school well before the shooting, gets the call from the 2 police and says he's in position and will be ready at the "scheduled time".

So just to clarify before going into the op itself... that's 3 cars total, 4 people total.
-Adam's Moms car = operative 1... 1 pistol + 1 shotgun = On way to school
-1 Police Car = operative 2 + patsy Adam... 1 pistol + 1 AR = On way to school
-Cleaners Car = no weapons = At school ahead of time

Also before going into the op I should mention the clothing adjustments that would be made before arriving at the school (you will see why this is important in a minute).
Operative 1 = Mask, Dark Jacket (with dark shirt), Camo Pants, Gloves... with his police uniform under it
Operative 2 = Mask (not wearing yet), Dark Jacket (with dark shirt), Camo Pants, Gloves (not wearing yet).... also with his police uniform under it
***Not that WITHOUT the MASK on these outfits would not draw a lot of suspicious attention (dark jacket/camo pants)... fact is you could blend in fairly well with it (until shots are fired that is).
Adam = Irrelevant
Cleaner = Irrelevant


The Black Op
The 2 operatives show up at the school in their 2 separate vehicles at around the same time (again both are dressed the same... this is a key point to remember). Operative 1's job is to breech the front door and take care of the administrative staff, Operative 2's job is the 2 classroom (with his entry made though the back door)... both men will "appear" to be the same person based on eyewitness accounts (due to them looking identical and never being seen at the same place at the same time... ever see the movie Inside Man?).

So basically how I see it going down...

Operative 1 arrives in Adams moms car puts his mask/gloves on (again dressed in a dark shirt & jacket with camo pants), goes to his trunk and grabs the 2 weapons he has (1 pistol, 1 shotgun) and heads to the entrance of the school (he doesn't have to be subtle about it... people are going to think hes Adam in a few minutes... and why wouldn't they... everything lines up so far). At the same time Operative 2 gets out of the police car (again wearing a dark shirt & jacket with camo pants & gloves), puts the mask in his pocket & also grabs the 2 weapons he has from the trunk (1 pistol, 1 AR). Operative 2 would have to be more subtle then Operative 1 as he will be entering from an "unofficial" entry point (the back door) so the pistol would be 100% hidden, and the AR would be tucked under his jacket as much as possible (the patsy Adam would be made to walk in front of him to assist in hiding the mostly concealed AR as they make their way towards the back of the school). Also anyone in the area that is paying attention to their surroundings would be more focused on Op 1 which blatantly has a mask on with an exposed shotgun in hand on the front lawn (so Op 2 would have little issue being basically unnoticed making his way to the back entrance with the needed patsy).

OK so quick update
-Operative 1 going towards front entrance, mask and all, holding a shotgun...
-Operative 2 going towards the back entrance, mask hidden, guns hidden, with the Patsy Adam...
-Cleaner inside the school waiting for his signal to open the back door (signal being front entrance breech).

Operative 1 then uses the shotgun (first shots fired) to blow out the "bulletproof" security glass of the front entrance door making his way into the school... keep in mind multiple shots would be needed to do this... even with a high powered shotgun (the official story is he used a total of 16 AR rounds to breech the front door which I believe to be false).

The Cleaner hearing his signal (entrance breech) opens the back door of the school and lets Operative 2 & Adam into the school. The schools security system at this point would light up letting the secretary know the back door has been opened from the inside... except a second after being let in the school's power goes out.....
"We were just in the middle of gym, when we heard gunshots, then the power (muffled) went out."
[link to www.yankeewaterfowler.net]

All video surveillance, and power locks at this point stopped working (go figure).
"Once the shooting began, Mr Varga tried to lock the door to the conference room. When he found out the door would not lock, the teacher then ran down a smoke-filled hallway to safety but turned back to help his fellow staff escape."
[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]

After the power goes out operative 2 enters and gets into position outside the first target classroom putting on his mask and waiting for his signal (his signal being operative 1's pistol fire to finish).

Operative 1 just entering the school through the hole he breached, uses the pistol to shoot at the administrative office near the front of the school (where the principle was... or the people most likely to cause "trouble" from a black-op perspective)... from what I understand killing 4 adults and wounding 2 in this front area. He then starts making his way towards Operative 2 through the interior of the school.

Operative 2 at this time hearing his signal (pistol fire ending) waits ~5 seconds and then opens the first target classroom door and using the 1 AR shoots as many people as he can and then moves on to the 2nd classroom (again with the AR) and does the same then goes outside in the hall to meet up with the others.

So just as an update to this point both operatives, the cleaner and the patsy are now all together in the hallway outside of the 2 target classrooms and MOST the shooting that took place (at least the entrance/classroom shooting) is finished (although more shots will be fired).

Evidence Cleanup / Patsy Setup / "Official" Police Arrival
Operative 1 takes off his outfit (mask, gloves, dark shirt, dark jacket, camo pants) and gives it to the cleaner to wear which puts it on over his current clothing (the mask and gloves he takes but doesn't actually wear... these he will stash in his own car later on...). Operative 1 has his police uniform on under it.
While that is happening Operative 2 (who did the majority of the killing via the classrooms) makes his way to the front office shoots at the general "front door area" and again shooting at the administrative staff or whoever else happens to still be in that area (which is why AR rounds are found there... only because they lapped back). Anyways operative 2 then makes his way back to the other operative (which is now in his police uniform) and also takes off his outfit (mask, gloves, dark shirt, dark jacket, camo pants) but this time they put it on Adam. Operative 2 is also wearing his police uniform under it.
...so basically the lookout now looks like op 1 (minus the mask/gloves which he has but is not wearing), Adam now looks like op 2... as seen by witnesses in the school they assume it's the same 1 person (due to looking the same yet never being seen together), and the 2 operatives now look like police. Still with me?

Now at this point NO POLICE PRESENCE IS SAID TO BE ON SCENE (OFFICIALLY)... The majority of police took ~15 minutes after reports of shots being fired to arrive (mass police), BUT a few small amounts 1 car (of legit "good" police got there ~3 AFTER shots ended... so let me get this straight... no police were at/in the school while shooting was still happening huh?

"then police men came in, and they um just like asked if um he was in here. But then we had climbed to the closets and um we heard more gunshots..."
[link to www.yankeewaterfowler.net]

I REALLY hope that sinks in... Shooting happens, girl sees 2 police run by saying have you seen him? the children go and hide, seconds later more gunfire... The police they saw were the 2 operatives, they hadn't changed to their "on radio" police persona's quite yet (they were dressed as police at this point but not communicating officially on the police radios yet as the patsy was still alive and no other police are on scene yet... which is why they don't speak on the police radio for another ~2-3 minutes...). They were going around making sure that no one would witness the patsy "suicide" that they were about to do seconds later... the 2 operatives were basically running around telling everyone to stay hidden (stay the fuck out of the halls... we are trying to kill/frame a patsy damn it... can't have you guys witnessing this... you get the jist). After running around the immediate area making sure the coast is clear... they shoot Adam the patsy in the head (the shot(s) heard after the girl saw police) using the 1 pistol that up to this point hadn't been used (operative 2's pistol... since he used the AR for all his classroom killing, and the other pistol was used at the front of the school) and they also put his brothers ID in his pocket to cause added confusion early on, especially since the idea of Ryan being dead was used at the start of the op to gain access to Adam's house... the ID is to cover any tracks about "that" story which they used to fool the mom before any of this began (in case someone overheard their original story told to the mom earlier somehow, about Ryan being dead... the early accounts of the killer being Ryan would wipe those accounts out (think of how an "echo" works in Minority Report...)).

The cleaner at this point grabs all "inconsistent" evidence from the scene; the extra mask, the extra gloves (puts in his own car), and by accident takes the shotgun (puts in Adam's moms trunk) and heads back to the schools back door... let me explain, I think they fucked up here. The shotgun was used to blow open the front door, but never to actually kill anyone. The cleaner when removing "inconsistent" evidence assumed the shotgun wasn't used (since he was at the back at the time and never first hand saw it used) and thought he was doing the right thing when removing it to match "what would be expected at the scene" and the operative that would of told him "no wait leave it I used that" was to busy running around the halls making sure nothing was being seen (until they killed Adam). This would normally not be an issue but one of the police on scene 5 minutes later (which is operative 2) accidentally announces it on scene (because he remembers op 1 having it, and didn't see the cleaner take it) when by this time the shotgun had actually been put in Adam's moms trunk by the cleaner... oops.

Well that brings you to about here...

Police Scanners after shots are first reported...

...which start as police are just first getting any reports of a shooting/issue at the school, and it takes 2-3 minutes for a small number of (2) "good" police to arrive... yet 2 "bad" police are magically inside before all this happens and just randomly pop up in the conversation already inside the school. The 2 operatives now in their full police persona first start using their police radios when other police arrive on scene (2-3 minutes after all shooting stops). They tell the just arriving police to cover the entrance (and don't explain how they just out of nowhere appear on the radio inside the school... no we are arriving on the scene... no we are making our way into the school... no we are looking for injuries/deaths or a suspect.... nothing... just outta nowhere when more police arrive they start communicating on the radio and are already inside the school... and keep in mind this recording is from before shots were ever reported being fired... so there is no reason it would not have any mention of the FIRST 2 police "arriving" at the scene.. it has a lot of audio proof of the 2nd squad car pulling in, them getting out, and every detail about what they do after that point... but not the 2 bad cops... they just appear out of nowhere inside). 1 of these 2 "bad" police is also involved in a lot of the important "on record" events of the day which are also caught in that recording such as...

Op 2 chases down 2 "shadows" that were seen running to the back of the school (which was actually him and the other op scoping out the current police situation but their shadows were seen by a a teacher who was on the phone with police dispatch at that time...). Op 2 over the radio pretends to see "them" (2) coming at him and pretends to chase them (its really them that's running)... he then ~1 minute later says hes detained A (1) suspect (2 people become 1) and then very shortly after is back in the school (he didn't actually detain anyone so 1 becomes 0... he said what he did just so more cops didn't come to the back door yet... AKA I got the situation handled... and they will get their planned (1) person taken into custody in a couple of minutes).

Op 2 also announces finding the first bodies, yet doesn't ask for more emergency vehicles (at this point the police don't think anything major at all has happened other then shots fired and the front door is blown out... repeatedly in the early part of that recording the police dispatch tells some of the ambulances they haven't been told to come yet so don't... because they though it was a small scale thing... not a bloodbath... no matter where op 2 was if he saw a hurt/dead body based on the official line (front office, classroom 1, classroom 2)... at least 3 other dead bodies would have to also be with that injured/dead person... why no mention "we got a mass slaughter here... much worse when we originally thought... send massive emergency response... NOW...). Instead he just brushes it off as something like "ya I found some bodies" (and half the message gets muffled out and is basically ignored by dispatch as I doubt they even heard him say what he said due to the lack of response after that was said).

Op 2 also finds the suspects (Adam) body... busy day for a single cop wouldn't you say... all the while op 1 is on the radio basically drawing attention mainly to the front of the school (or the roof)... anything to draw attention away from where all the action is (the back) for as long as possible (the cleaner is most likely doing final adjustments of on scenes forensic evidence to make sure it all looks good).

Anyways the 2 operatives (police) at this point start blending into the other police presence that is just now arriving and would be able to tell a seemingly honest account of what happened up to that point.

The cleaner waits near the back of the school (~15 mins) until he is finally detained (once the mass police presence is able to get there and they finally have the manpower on scene to actually do something). Him getting detained away from his car was crucial since it has the "inconsistent" evidence in it (if he was detained in his car they would search it... but there is a way around that).

The cleaner having a valid story (I was here making gingerbread houses with my daughters class) and being let into the school willing (buzzed in legit), and no sign of being part of a crime (no blood on clothing, no evidence of shooting a gun, having a daughter in the school, and having his 2 operative buddies vouching for him) they clear him to leave (with his car which would of never been searched as of yet). As he's leaving he would be stopped again in his car by roadblocks, but he could simply say I was already cleared, the officer would confirm this over the radio, and once confirmed let him on his way (again not searching the car... see why getting detained outside of his car becomes so crucial?).

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Anyways that's the basic jist... thoughts?
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Amazing job, OP!!!! Everyone - read this, it makes sense!
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Re: Sandy Hook: How does a 110 lbs kid (working alone)...
i think Adam's mom was the driving force behind the
whole operation (for what reason, we don't know), but
she got cold feet and the last minute, and Adam got pissed, and it was too late for Nancy:
she had indoctrinated Adam so thoroughly to the primacy
of the mission that Adam kill her so she couldn't interfere
(she had also made him into cold-blooded nerves of steel).
 Quoting: guncontrolltard2


Right, and also, your mom was behind the Belfast bombings.

Tool.
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What makes you think a woman who was so obsessed with guns could not have planned something like that? I'm not saying the poster is correct, but the woman was clearly mentally disturbed - it's simply not normal for a female to be that paranoid and gun-obsessed.
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I live in America, and am very comfortable with moms in my neighborhood being gun equipped.

In America we do not fear our neighbors, or mothers in general.

Where do you live?
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Re: Sandy Hook: How does a 110 lbs kid (working alone)...
i think Adam's mom was the driving force behind the
whole operation (for what reason, we don't know), but
she got cold feet and the last minute, and Adam got pissed, and it was too late for Nancy:
she had indoctrinated Adam so thoroughly to the primacy
of the mission that Adam kill her so she couldn't interfere
(she had also made him into cold-blooded nerves of steel).
 Quoting: guncontrolltard2


Right, and also, your mom was behind the Belfast bombings.

Tool.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30370599



What makes you think a woman who was so obsessed with guns could not have planned something like that? I'm not saying the poster is correct, but the woman was clearly mentally disturbed - it's simply not normal for a female to be that paranoid and gun-obsessed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30732606


I live in America, and am very comfortable with moms in my neighborhood being gun equipped.

In America we do not fear our neighbors, or mothers in general.

Where do you live?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30370599


we're just talking about 1 nutsoid lady here, butt-head.
what the hell is the matter with you!

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