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Did Illuminati come up with Rapture?

 
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I wouldn't want to put a percentage on it, but with popular book series like "Left Behind" and such, the notion of a ongoing "New World Order" conspiracy must pretty popular within Christianity. However, the fact that this conspiracy is occurring doesn't really trouble most Christians, as they believe they will escape the coming tyrannical world government through the Rapture.

I've seen it in action. A Christian will hear about some nefarious Illuminati plot and say "Well that's terrible, but I won't have to worry about it. Jesus will take me away in the Rapture before it gets too bad."

But what if he doesn't? What if it all goes down like in the Book of Revelation? The Christians are persecuted in that book, and anyone who doesn't bow down and worship the beast gets beheaded. Christians, is it possible that Illuminati created injected the Rapture into your theology so you guys wouldn't try to stop them?
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Thank you for raising the question.

Why does NOBODY (with a few exceptions) on this site do ANY research!?!

Too lazy?

The answer is YES, OF COURSE! All roads lead back to international bankster (who is, of course, a J) SCHIFF!!

NO, I will not spend my time Googling it to produce a link. Do it yourself.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again:

Jesus is a mushroom chocolate.

The rapture is the trip.

Heaven is how you now view Earth in all it's natural glory.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again:

Jesus is a mushroom chocolate.

The rapture is the trip.

Heaven is how you now view Earth in all it's natural glory.
 Quoting: Dr. Greenthumb


Wow that is stupid
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Pretribulational References in the Early Church
1. The Shepherd of Hermas (95-150)The Shepherd of Hermas was written between 96-150 AD. This document provides a statement that resembles a teaching of a pre-trib rapture doctrine. Though it is not exactly as found in modern day scholarly pretribulational writings, it still shows that an idea existed in some degree that God's people could escape the future tribulation that was to come on the whole earth. The text reads:
"You have escaped from the great tribulation on account of your faith, and because you did not doubt in the presence of such a beast. Go, therefore, and tell the elect of the Lord His mighty deeds, and say to them that this beast is a type of the great tribulation that is coming. If then ye prepare yourselves, and repent with all your heart, and turn to the Lord, it will be possible for you to escape it, if your heart be pure and spotless, and ye spend the rest of the days of your life serving the Lord blamelessly."
This is not a systematic teaching, nor does it answer all of the questions that one may have. But it does give a reference to the teaching that God's people can escape the great tribulation.”

2. Victorinus ( Well known by 270 and died in 303 A.D.)Victorinus wrote a commentary on the book of Revelation. In one place he made an interesting statement that reflects his idea that the church would be removed prior to the tribulation. Of course his ideas were not systematic, and some will argue that he contradicts himself in other places, which may very well be true. But even with such an admission it still serves us well to see that early in the church history someone taught in some sense that God's church could escape the tribulation period by being removed from the earth. His commentary notes in Revelation 6:14 indicate a pre-trib reference:
"And the heaven withdrew as a scroll that is rolled up. "For the heaven to be rolled away, that is, that the Church shall be taken away. "And every mountain and the islands removed from their places intimate that in the last persecution all men departed from their places; that is, that the good will be removed, seeking to avoid persecution.
This reference gives light into a developing idea in the earliest periods of the church. There was an idea that God's people could be spared the terrible time of wrath that God would pour out on the earth by removing the saints. The saint's departure from the earth would occur so they would not undergo the terible wrath at the beginning of the judgments of God upon the sinful unbelieving world.

Here Are Three Clear Summary Points from the Early Church Fathers' Teachings:
These early church fathers expected Christ to physically return to earth followed by a 1000 year kingdom rule on earth.
By many of the writings we can see they believed in the possibility of an any moment return of Christ with some statements that resemble a pre-trib view point.
Even though the early church was under heavy persecution these teachers believed there would still come a distinct time of great tribulation in the future.

Ephraem of Nisibis (306-373)Ephraem wrote an important sermon "On the Last Times, the Antichrist and the End of the World." As a prominent theologian and prolific writer of the Eastern Byzantine church, he advocated for a pretribulational rapture position for the church. Dr. Grant Jeffrey has noted that he had a profound love for the Scriptures. Below is a selected quote that concerns the escape of God's people from the horrible tribulation. He stated:
"We ought to understand thoroughly therefore, my brothers, what is imminent or overhanging. Already there have been hunger and plagues, violent movements of nations and signs, which have been predicted by the Lord, they have already been fulfilled, and there is not other which remains, except the advent of the wicked one in the completion of the Roman kingdom. Why therefore are we occupied with worldly business, and why is our mind held fixed on the lusts of the world or the anxieties of the ages? Why therefore do we not reject every care of earthly actions and prepare ourselves for the meeting of the Lord Christ, so that He may draw us from the confusion, which overwhelms the world? Believe you me, dearest brothers, because the coming of the Lord is nigh, believe you me, because the end of the world is at hand, believe me, because it is the very last time. Or do you not believe unless you see it with your eyes? See to it that this sentence be not fulfilled among you of the prophet who declares: "Woe to those who desire to see the Day of the Lord!" Because all saints and the Elect of the Lord are gathered together before the tribulation which is to about to come and are taken to the Lord, in order that they may not see at any time the confusion which overwhelms the world because of our sins. And so brothers, most dear to me, it is the eleventh hour, and the end of this world comes to the harvest, and angels, armed and prepared, hold sickles in their earth exists with blind infidelity, arriving at its downfall early. Commotions are brought forth, wars of diverse peoples and battles and invasions of the barbarians threaten, and our regions shall be desolated, and we neither become very much afraid of the report nor of the appearance, in order that we may at least do penance; because they hurl fear at us, and we do not wish to be changed although we at least stand in need of penance for our actions!”
Notice that there is a clear teaching on the rapture of the saints before the terrible tribulation period. This theologian admonishes the people not to desire to see the Day of the Lord? Why? Because in his mind to see the day of the Lord means a person is not a believer. The believers will be snatched away and taken to the Lord before this time period begins. Look closely at what he says again:
"See to it that this sentence be not fulfilled among you of the prophet who declares: "Woe to those who desire to see the Day of the Lord!" Because all saints and the Elect of the Lord are gathered together before the tribulation which is to about to come and are taken to the Lord, in order that they may not see at any time the confusion which overwhelms the world because of our sins."

Scholars Dr. Ice and James Stitzinger provide some other insights as to what this theologian taught concerning the end times. They note that Ephreum "develops an elaborate biblical eschatology, including a distinction between the rapture and the second coming of Christ. It describes the imminent rapture, followed by a three-and-half-year-long Great Tribulation under the rule of Antichrist, followed by the coming of Christ, the defeat of the Antichrist, and the eternal state. His view includes a parenthesis between the fulfillment of Daniel's sixty-ninth and seventieth weeks (Daniel 9:24-27)."

Keep in mind that this reference is 1500 years before the time that many critics of the pre-trib view claim this doctrine developed. Many falsely advocate that the idea of a pre-trib rapture view developed in 1800s through J.N. Darby or through some sects and mystics. Such a view does not hold water, though it is popular in many circles
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I wouldn't want to put a percentage on it, but with popular book series like "Left Behind" and such, the notion of a ongoing "New World Order" conspiracy must pretty popular within Christianity. However, the fact that this conspiracy is occurring doesn't really trouble most Christians, as they believe they will escape the coming tyrannical world government through the Rapture.

I've seen it in action. A Christian will hear about some nefarious Illuminati plot and say "Well that's terrible, but I won't have to worry about it. Jesus will take me away in the Rapture before it gets too bad."

But what if he doesn't? What if it all goes down like in the Book of Revelation? The Christians are persecuted in that book, and anyone who doesn't bow down and worship the beast gets beheaded. Christians, is it possible that Illuminati created injected the Rapture into your theology so you guys wouldn't try to stop them?
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All of futurism was created by Jesuits during the reformation to take the heat off the mother harlot. The Roman whore invented the rapture, and the idea has become popular in the past 150 years because American Christianity is pathetic. We loathe the idea of suffering and cannot see past our own circumstance. Thousands of Christians are executed around the globe annually, meanwhile American churches are preaching "Jesus will rapture us before the tribulation!" It is sickening to me. The verses used to support a "rapture" are taken out of context, must be read with preconceived idea and say no such thing. My Bible says Jesus will return ONE TIME to judge the quick and the dead and to set all things right. Keep questioning OP, futurism is a myth!
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All of futurism was created by Jesuits during the reformation
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Bullshit.
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Pretribulational References in the Early Church
1. The Shepherd of Hermas (95-150)The Shepherd of Hermas was written between 96-150 AD. This document provides a statement that resembles a teaching of a pre-trib rapture doctrine. Though it is not exactly as found in modern day scholarly pretribulational writings, it still shows that an idea existed in some degree that God's people could escape the future tribulation that was to come on the whole earth. The text reads:
"You have escaped from the great tribulation on account of your faith, and because you did not doubt in the presence of such a beast. Go, therefore, and tell the elect of the Lord His mighty deeds, and say to them that this beast is a type of the great tribulation that is coming. If then ye prepare yourselves, and repent with all your heart, and turn to the Lord, it will be possible for you to escape it, if your heart be pure and spotless, and ye spend the rest of the days of your life serving the Lord blamelessly."
This is not a systematic teaching, nor does it answer all of the questions that one may have. But it does give a reference to the teaching that God's people can escape the great tribulation.”

2. Victorinus ( Well known by 270 and died in 303 A.D.)Victorinus wrote a commentary on the book of Revelation. In one place he made an interesting statement that reflects his idea that the church would be removed prior to the tribulation. Of course his ideas were not systematic, and some will argue that he contradicts himself in other places, which may very well be true. But even with such an admission it still serves us well to see that early in the church history someone taught in some sense that God's church could escape the tribulation period by being removed from the earth. His commentary notes in Revelation 6:14 indicate a pre-trib reference:
"And the heaven withdrew as a scroll that is rolled up. "For the heaven to be rolled away, that is, that the Church shall be taken away. "And every mountain and the islands removed from their places intimate that in the last persecution all men departed from their places; that is, that the good will be removed, seeking to avoid persecution.
This reference gives light into a developing idea in the earliest periods of the church. There was an idea that God's people could be spared the terrible time of wrath that God would pour out on the earth by removing the saints. The saint's departure from the earth would occur so they would not undergo the terible wrath at the beginning of the judgments of God upon the sinful unbelieving world.

Here Are Three Clear Summary Points from the Early Church Fathers' Teachings:
These early church fathers expected Christ to physically return to earth followed by a 1000 year kingdom rule on earth.
By many of the writings we can see they believed in the possibility of an any moment return of Christ with some statements that resemble a pre-trib view point.
Even though the early church was under heavy persecution these teachers believed there would still come a distinct time of great tribulation in the future.

Ephraem of Nisibis (306-373)Ephraem wrote an important sermon "On the Last Times, the Antichrist and the End of the World." As a prominent theologian and prolific writer of the Eastern Byzantine church, he advocated for a pretribulational rapture position for the church. Dr. Grant Jeffrey has noted that he had a profound love for the Scriptures. Below is a selected quote that concerns the escape of God's people from the horrible tribulation. He stated:
"We ought to understand thoroughly therefore, my brothers, what is imminent or overhanging. Already there have been hunger and plagues, violent movements of nations and signs, which have been predicted by the Lord, they have already been fulfilled, and there is not other which remains, except the advent of the wicked one in the completion of the Roman kingdom. Why therefore are we occupied with worldly business, and why is our mind held fixed on the lusts of the world or the anxieties of the ages? Why therefore do we not reject every care of earthly actions and prepare ourselves for the meeting of the Lord Christ, so that He may draw us from the confusion, which overwhelms the world? Believe you me, dearest brothers, because the coming of the Lord is nigh, believe you me, because the end of the world is at hand, believe me, because it is the very last time. Or do you not believe unless you see it with your eyes? See to it that this sentence be not fulfilled among you of the prophet who declares: "Woe to those who desire to see the Day of the Lord!" Because all saints and the Elect of the Lord are gathered together before the tribulation which is to about to come and are taken to the Lord, in order that they may not see at any time the confusion which overwhelms the world because of our sins. And so brothers, most dear to me, it is the eleventh hour, and the end of this world comes to the harvest, and angels, armed and prepared, hold sickles in their earth exists with blind infidelity, arriving at its downfall early. Commotions are brought forth, wars of diverse peoples and battles and invasions of the barbarians threaten, and our regions shall be desolated, and we neither become very much afraid of the report nor of the appearance, in order that we may at least do penance; because they hurl fear at us, and we do not wish to be changed although we at least stand in need of penance for our actions!”
Notice that there is a clear teaching on the rapture of the saints before the terrible tribulation period. This theologian admonishes the people not to desire to see the Day of the Lord? Why? Because in his mind to see the day of the Lord means a person is not a believer. The believers will be snatched away and taken to the Lord before this time period begins. Look closely at what he says again:
"See to it that this sentence be not fulfilled among you of the prophet who declares: "Woe to those who desire to see the Day of the Lord!" Because all saints and the Elect of the Lord are gathered together before the tribulation which is to about to come and are taken to the Lord, in order that they may not see at any time the confusion which overwhelms the world because of our sins."

Scholars Dr. Ice and James Stitzinger provide some other insights as to what this theologian taught concerning the end times. They note that Ephreum "develops an elaborate biblical eschatology, including a distinction between the rapture and the second coming of Christ. It describes the imminent rapture, followed by a three-and-half-year-long Great Tribulation under the rule of Antichrist, followed by the coming of Christ, the defeat of the Antichrist, and the eternal state. His view includes a parenthesis between the fulfillment of Daniel's sixty-ninth and seventieth weeks (Daniel 9:24-27)."

Keep in mind that this reference is 1500 years before the time that many critics of the pre-trib view claim this doctrine developed. Many falsely advocate that the idea of a pre-trib rapture view developed in 1800s through J.N. Darby or through some sects and mystics. Such a view does not hold water, though it is popular in many circles
 Quoting: Idiot Edifier 22247988


Wow what lies. Even Tim Laheye and John Hagee and the rest of the "pre trib" crew admit that no early church fathers taught that trite. You have been deceived. There is a book called "the great prophecies of the bible" by Ralph Woodrow for sale for $5 on www.letgodbetrue.com while on that site look up the sermon series "the witness of 70 ad"; read the book and listen to the sermons and watch the scales fall away.
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All of futurism was created by Jesuits during the reformation
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Bullshit.
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Ok buddy. You appeal to the authority of heretics (that were taken WAY out of context btw) and that somehow makes your fantastic interpretation that has Christ returning 3 times accurate?! The rapture is a joke, it does not exist in the Bible, or anywhere before 1500...and then only in the writings of a Jesuit. It WAS John Darby who brought the idea to American churches, but his understudy C. I. Scofield popularized it when a certain fundamental branch of the Baptist denomination latched onto his heretical teachings.
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AS for Seth, when he was seven years old, he knew good and evil, and was consistent in fasting and praying, and spent all his nights in entreating God for mercy and forgiveness.

2 He also fasted when bringing up his offering every day, more than his father did; for he was of a fair countenance, like unto an angel of God. He also had a good heart, preserved the finest qualities of his soul: and for this reason he brought up his offering every day.

3 And God was pleased with his offering; but He was also pleased with his purity. And he continued thus in doing the will of God, and of his father and mother, until he was seven years old.

4 After that, as he was coming down from the altar, having ended his offering, Satan appeared unto him in the form of a beautiful angel, brilliant with light; with a staff of light in his hand, himself girt about with a girdle of light.

5 He greeted Seth with a beautiful smile, and began to beguile him with fair words, saying to him, "O Seth, why abidest thou in this mountain? For it is rough, full of stones and of sand, and of trees with no good fruit on them; a wilderness without habitations and without towns; no good place to dwell in. But all is heat, weariness, and trouble."

6 He said further, "But we dwell in beautiful places, in another world than this earth. Our world is one of light and our condition is of the best; our women are handsomer than any others; and I wish thee, O Seth, to wed one of them; because I see that thou art fair to look upon, and in this land there is not one woman good enough for thee. Besides, all those who live in this world, are only five souls.

7 "But in our world there are very many men and many maidens, all more beautiful one than another. I wish, therefore, to remove thee hence, that thou mayest see my relations and be wedded to which ever thou likest.

8 "Thou shalt then abide by me and be at peace; thou shalt be filled with splendour and light, as we are.

9 "Thou shalt remain in our world. and rest from this world and the misery of it; thou shalt never again feel faint and weary;

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thou shalt never bring up an offering, nor sue for mercy; for thou shalt commit no more sin, nor be swayed by passions.

10 "And if thou wilt hearken to what I say, thou shalt wed one of my daughters; for with us it is no sin so to do; neither is it reckoned animal lust.

11 "For in our world we have no God; but we all are gods; we all are of the light, heavenly, powerful, strong and glorious."
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I've said it before and I'll say it again:

Jesus is a mushroom chocolate.

The rapture is the trip.

Heaven is how you now view Earth in all it's natural glory.
 Quoting: Dr. Greenthumb


Wow that is stupid
 Quoting: UnmannedAerialPilot


You're stupid. Take a large dose of shrooms and meditate on the concept of heaven on earth you fag.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again:

Jesus is a mushroom chocolate.

The rapture is the trip.

Heaven is how you now view Earth in all it's natural glory.
 Quoting: Dr. Greenthumb


Wow that is stupid
 Quoting: UnmannedAerialPilot


You're stupid. Take a large dose of shrooms and meditate on the concept of heaven on earth you fag.
 Quoting: Dr. Greenthumb


Aren't you pleasant? If taking shrooms makes me as evil, godless and deceived as you are I will pass thanks. Oh and thanks for the red karma, very thoughtful of you
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I do not care about what is written in books. Especially falsified books. I am a mystic. I experienced multile times the rapture and received also medially messages by Jesus Christ. Yes, there will be a rapture. However, only for a very, very small percentage of the population. It will be at a maximum 20 million people and this rapture will be about two to three months after the beginning of the great turbulation (in April 2013 will be the first peak of the tribulation)
Ascension for a big part of the population (not for all) during the 3 day- and nightdarkness. Simultaneously the beginning of the NWO.

“Many will be shocked, if they will still live in a world of the polarity after their change (n.: ascension).” (Channeling; 04 07 16)
The first people that ascend will do it by rapture. Besides, these people will leave the earth. The second ascension wave occurs with the 3-day day and night darkness. (De facto, it is a comatose state - however, without cellular consciousness.) The majority of the people will not ascend so far. I.e. that the ascended ones will still live in the sphere of the 3-rd dimension, although their consciousness will already swing in the 5-th dimension. They will consciously realize that they are multidimensional beings. The Golden Age successively starts already with the first ascension wave, however, in principle this will not affect much change on the international situation. Only the subjective feeling of the ascended will be different. Logically, the contrasts will become even bigger by the different oscillation frequency of the people. To experience the world domination of the “New World Government” ("NWO") will be no picnic. It will last from 41 to 42 months (3 ½ years). The John´s Revelation mentions also this period.
When you swing even already in the 5-th dimension, you will be able to endure the living conditions as well as the controlling mechanisms and control much easier.
The people who are not ready for the change will not be able to understand our multidimensionality. For them the veil, which separates them from other dimensions, does not lift. This veil protects them to a certain degree against the “strange” but this veil separates them also from every true internal freedom.
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Thank you for raising the question.

Why does NOBODY (with a few exceptions) on this site do ANY research!?!

Too lazy?

The answer is YES, OF COURSE! All roads lead back to international bankster (who is, of course, a J) SCHIFF!!

NO, I will not spend my time Googling it to produce a link. Do it yourself.
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LOL - The Illuminati as nothing to do with the int'l bankers... and no they had nothing to do with the rapture prophecy. You should do some research.

[link to featherofmaat.wordpress.com]
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I've said it before and I'll say it again:

Jesus is a mushroom chocolate.

The rapture is the trip.

Heaven is how you now view Earth in all it's natural glory.
 Quoting: Dr. Greenthumb


Wow that is stupid
 Quoting: UnmannedAerialPilot


You're stupid. Take a large dose of shrooms and meditate on the concept of heaven on earth you fag.
 Quoting: Dr. Greenthumb


Aren't you pleasant? If taking shrooms makes me as evil, godless and deceived as you are I will pass thanks. Oh and thanks for the red karma, very thoughtful of you
 Quoting: UnmannedAerialPilot


The fuck do you know
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I've said it before and I'll say it again:

Jesus is a mushroom chocolate.

The rapture is the trip.

Heaven is how you now view Earth in all it's natural glory.
 Quoting: Dr. Greenthumb


I truly like this thought. Brilliant.....is this original with you?

I think you can trace all conspiracy theorists back to the bible also. Some said jesus pulled a fast one! Lol
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Thank you for raising the question.

Why does NOBODY (with a few exceptions) on this site do ANY research!?!

Too lazy?

The answer is YES, OF COURSE! All roads lead back to international bankster (who is, of course, a J) SCHIFF!!

NO, I will not spend my time Googling it to produce a link. Do it yourself.
 Quoting: Hahahaha 28872856


LOL - The Illuminati as nothing to do with the int'l bankers... and no they had nothing to do with the rapture prophecy. You should do some research.

[link to featherofmaat.wordpress.com]
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Riiiiiiiight!

FUCK OFF, you Masonic shill!!!

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