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Is denying ANY American the right to bear arms an INFRINGMENT on the 2nd Amendment?

 
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You can lose your right to bear arms, so yes.
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I lost mine I believe.
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IMO, since it states SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED, they can not deny anyone the right to own a gun for any reason.
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Citizens by the thousands should start suing this cunt government that does not follow the US Constitution.
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And I quote:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"

They are going to claim this was written when militias were used to defend this country against foreign enemies but now that we have an army, the 2nd amendment is null and void but that is BS. It does not state the MILITIA has the right to bear guns, it says the PEOPLE.

I read it as:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State AND the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

or

A well regulated Militia, WHICH IS necessary to the security of a free State AND the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
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A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

#1 The military did not replace the militia. The military cannot replace the militia. The militia is every last man, woman, and child capable of defending their community from an invasion.

#2 What part of SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED do you not understand!!!



I can't stand liberal anti-gun tards! It's not that they are suicidal. It's their desire to deny me my right of self defense. I stand against anyone who's actions could lead to my rape, mutilation, and death.

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IMO, since it states SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED, they can not deny anyone the right to own a gun for any reason.
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I think you are correct. My friend has a psycho neighbor that is on all kinds of meds. The cops know this and also know he shoots a gun periodically from his front porch. This is in the city. They have never questioned his rights to own guns, nor have they confiscated them.
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And I quote:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"

They are going to claim this was written when militias were used to defend this country against foreign enemies but now that we have an army, the 2nd amendment is null and void but that is BS. It does not state the MILITIA has the right to bear guns, it says the PEOPLE.

I read it as:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State AND the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

or

A well regulated Militia, WHICH IS necessary to the security of a free State AND the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
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They should have just left out all that militia bullshit.

What could be more unequivocal than;

"The Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms shall NOT BE INFRINGED"?
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I should not have to work for permission to own a gun (which is what paying a permit fee is).

I'm surrounded by traitors that do not deserve to be free.
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The RIGHT of the people to keep and bare arms shall not be infringed.

That is pretty straight. No law, rule, code or regulation can supersede the Law of the land (the Constitution(s))

Therefore, only a jury can, AFTER a conviction of a violent crime, take away ANY right and only then for a set amount of time.

The only other way is a jury finds one guilty AND the sentence chosen by the jury is DEATH.

Otherwise, the sentence is for a given, set time and when its up, its up, all rights are restored.

The role of the Judge is to control both the prosecution and the defense and make sure the Jury is in control and hears all testimony and evidence in the case.
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The Bill of Rights is not a list of rights granted to the people by government. The Bill of Rights is a statements forbidding government from infringing upon natural rights among them the right to self-defense. However, the ability of government to infringe upon our rights begins only when exercise of those rights infringes upon another's natural rights, i.e. crime against persons or property. They disarmed and incarcerated criminals back then as well. Now days tey appear to want to do the opposite. They want to disarm or incarcerate the people and give the criminals and crazies free reign. Re-distribution by force?
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I should not have to work for permission to own a gun (which is what paying a permit fee is).

I'm surrounded by traitors that do not deserve to be free.
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What makes you think you have to work or ask permission from anyone?

Are you a child?

Show me the law that states what you are claiming binds YOU and we can discuss.
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I should not have to work for permission to own a gun (which is what paying a permit fee is).

I'm surrounded by traitors that do not deserve to be free.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29558518


What makes you think you have to work or ask permission from anyone?

Are you a child?

Show me the law that states what you are claiming binds YOU and we can discuss.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20901334


I'm coming at this as just another ignorant Americunt. Because I was locked up years ago (because I wanted to die) I assume I am no longer allowed to own a gun.

And I'm pissed.
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Re: Is denying ANY American the right to bear arms an INFRINGMENT on the 2nd Amendment?
The Bill of Rights is not a list of rights granted to the people by government. The Bill of Rights is a statements forbidding government from infringing upon natural rights among them the right to self-defense. However, the ability of government to infringe upon our rights begins only when exercise of those rights infringes upon another's natural rights, i.e. crime against persons or property. They disarmed and incarcerated criminals back then as well. Now days tey appear to want to do the opposite. They want to disarm or incarcerate the people and give the criminals and crazies free reign. Re-distribution by force?
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Very well put. The jury system can be corrupted, as we know from present and history.

But, it is how it was set up and should be still.

No VICTIM, no CRIME. That is a maxim of law and has been for recorded history.
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And I assume I have to have a permit to own a gun and I assume these cunts are going to want to charge me money for that stupid permit.
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I lost mine I believe.
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There are 4 ways to lose your gun rights: convicted of a felony or you have been convicted of a domestic abuse misdemeanor and or have had acrestraining order against you. And last but not least dishonorable discharge from the military.
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Re: Is denying ANY American the right to bear arms an INFRINGMENT on the 2nd Amendment?
And I quote:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"

They are going to claim this was written when militias were used to defend this country against foreign enemies but now that we have an army, the 2nd amendment is null and void but that is BS. It does not state the MILITIA has the right to bear guns, it says the PEOPLE.

I read it as:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State AND the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

or

A well regulated Militia, WHICH IS necessary to the security of a free State AND the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9107938


They should have just left out all that militia bullshit.

What could be more unequivocal than;

"The Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms shall NOT BE INFRINGED"?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30698753


Umm because you are missing the point? A well regulated militia is another way of saying the right of the people to organize themselves against any external threat to their property and security.

Basically, its like saying the people have the right to organize from neighborhood watch groups to emergency search and rescue teams to militias if necessary to fight off organized threats against them.

The right to bear arms is a derivative of this concept, the concept that the people have the right to organize from within and that the government cannot infringe on this right or attempt to replace this natural right of the people.

Problem is, most people are so lazy they want the government to do everything for them. I hate to say this but the spirit that drove the entire of philosophy of natural rights appears to be dying off like the dinosaur. I'm not advocating its death just lamenting the fact.
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I should not have to work for permission to own a gun (which is what paying a permit fee is).

I'm surrounded by traitors that do not deserve to be free.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29558518


What makes you think you have to work or ask permission from anyone?

Are you a child?

Show me the law that states what you are claiming binds YOU and we can discuss.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20901334


I'm coming at this as just another ignorant Americunt. Because I was locked up years ago (because I wanted to die) I assume I am no longer allowed to own a gun.

And I'm pissed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29558518


Well, you are wrong. There may be laws that forbid you to buy a new arm from a licensed dealer (those laws are not laws for YOU, unless you are a licensed dealer, which I doubt).

Think about this, what EXACTLY connects YOU with "the record" of the past?
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I was locked up 12 years ago because I no longer wanted to live (because my freedom - I mean plants - were taken away).
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I should not have to work for permission to own a gun (which is what paying a permit fee is).

I'm surrounded by traitors that do not deserve to be free.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29558518


What makes you think you have to work or ask permission from anyone?

Are you a child?

Show me the law that states what you are claiming binds YOU and we can discuss.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20901334


I'm coming at this as just another ignorant Americunt. Because I was locked up years ago (because I wanted to die) I assume I am no longer allowed to own a gun.

And I'm pissed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29558518


Well, you are wrong. There may be laws that forbid you to buy a new arm from a licensed dealer (those laws are not laws for YOU, unless you are a licensed dealer, which I doubt).

Think about this, what EXACTLY connects YOU with "the record" of the past?
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When you buy a guy then do a background check right? Won't they see that I was committed before?
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I lost mine I believe.
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There are 4 ways to lose your gun rights: convicted of a felony or you have been convicted of a domestic abuse misdemeanor and or have had acrestraining order against you. And last but not least dishonorable discharge from the military.
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Really? Where, exactly, is that enumerated in the Constitution?

Those are statues, which require contractual agreement, there is no law of the land that spells out what you have posted.
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What makes you think you have to work or ask permission from anyone?

Are you a child?

Show me the law that states what you are claiming binds YOU and we can discuss.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20901334


I'm coming at this as just another ignorant Americunt. Because I was locked up years ago (because I wanted to die) I assume I am no longer allowed to own a gun.

And I'm pissed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29558518


Well, you are wrong. There may be laws that forbid you to buy a new arm from a licensed dealer (those laws are not laws for YOU, unless you are a licensed dealer, which I doubt).

Think about this, what EXACTLY connects YOU with "the record" of the past?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20901334


When you buy a guy then do a background check right? Won't they see that I was committed before?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29558518


You need to read what I posted again and think about every word before you reply with more questions that have already been answered in what I posted.
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yes ... ANY american
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I was locked up 12 years ago because I no longer wanted to live (because my freedom - I mean plants - were taken away).
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First lesson, learn to shut your stupid mouth, look up self incrimination and confession. BOTH are protected in the written law of the land and you cannot be compelled to do either.
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No, if "every American" includes every government employee.
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I was locked up 12 years ago because I no longer wanted to live (because my freedom - I mean plants - were taken away).
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First lesson, learn to shut your stupid mouth, look up self incrimination and confession. BOTH are protected in the written law of the land and you cannot be compelled to do either.
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Sorry but I'm a product of America.
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I lost mine I believe.
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There are 4 ways to lose your gun rights: convicted of a felony or you have been convicted of a domestic abuse misdemeanor and or have had acrestraining order against you. And last but not least dishonorable discharge from the military.
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Having the protective order against you , should not mean gun removal forever. They give those away like candy . Only on conviction should it matter.

They also take your rights away for back child support.

Meaning they are infringed.
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Op,

I know what you are saying because I'm in your shoes as well.

One of my prosecuting guy's though happens to now do defense. So when I go to expunge or reduce, I'm going to have the same fucker go in to bat for me, who I fact prosecuted me.

Other then that you have to get your charges dismissed reduced expunged etc. The whole thing is illegal though for them to take something which is unalienable. (un-a-lien-able - as in not able to take into hawk or take away)

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I was locked up 12 years ago because I no longer wanted to live (because my freedom - I mean plants - were taken away).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29558518


First lesson, learn to shut your stupid mouth, look up self incrimination and confession. BOTH are protected in the written law of the land and you cannot be compelled to do either.
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Sorry but I'm a product of America.
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You are a product of your self, stop blaming others and read what I have posted, you could not possibly have taken the time to learn and internalize what I have posted.
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And I quote:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"

They are going to claim this was written when militias were used to defend this country against foreign enemies but now that we have an army, the 2nd amendment is null and void but that is BS. It does not state the MILITIA has the right to bear guns, it says the PEOPLE.

I read it as:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State AND the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

or

A well regulated Militia, WHICH IS necessary to the security of a free State AND the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9107938


They should have just left out all that militia bullshit.

What could be more unequivocal than;

"The Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms shall NOT BE INFRINGED"?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30698753


Umm because you are missing the point? A well regulated militia is another way of saying the right of the people to organize themselves against any external threat to their property and security.

Basically, its like saying the people have the right to organize from neighborhood watch groups to emergency search and rescue teams to militias if necessary to fight off organized threats against them.

The right to bear arms is a derivative of this concept, the concept that the people have the right to organize from within and that the government cannot infringe on this right or attempt to replace this natural right of the people.

Problem is, most people are so lazy they want the government to do everything for them. I hate to say this but the spirit that drove the entire of philosophy of natural rights appears to be dying off like the dinosaur. I'm not advocating its death just lamenting the fact.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 961432


The commas, and mention of the "militia", in the 2A, have been a Godsend to the weaselly Commie Lawsters who continually attempt to interpret the meaning as being only citizens in state National Guard should be able to keep and bear.

I just maintain that they should have kept it country-simple, with the non-commaed wording I used above, or something similar.

No way could that be misinterpreted.

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