A New Study Shows IQ to be a Myth

There are many ways a person can be "smart" ie common sense, memorization, problem solving...

Many of those categories are like apples and oranges, how can you score one against the other?

Riiight...

They now call it a myth because it hurts parents' feelings if their kid isn't a genius.

Everything has to be politically correct, you know.

So why do areas/countries of the world that show low IQ's- why are the people so simple-Minded, and short-sighted?

you can do the test for yourself.

LINK.. [link to www.cambridgebrainsciences.com]

Glad to see there is a study that has caught up to one of the things I have been saying for years. First and foremost, IQ tests only test current knowledge and the speed to which it is recalled. The better a person's recall (or photographic memory) the higher their IQ, provided they have been taught the material covered. For example, a 5 year old may have a grasp of addition and subtraction, but multiplication and division would be unusual concepts...algebra, geometry's theorems and proofs as well as trigonometry functions would be alien for a 5 year old and would not be tested by any sane IQ test for the age level.

Can a 5 year old do multiplication and division? Yes, of course they can. They can understand the rational behind it if properly explain to them as well. But doing so is not an indication of intelligence unless they can quickly figure out basic concepts such as multiplication is commutative just as addition is.

So basically knowledge is the sum of information that you know, IQ is how quickly you can access that knowledge and intelligence is how you adapt that information outside the original data. For example 1 x 3 = 3 is knowledge. Answering without calculating or counting on fingers is a degree of IQ, figuring out on your own that any number multiplied by 1 is always that original number is a level of intelligence...if you were told that fact, then it is knowledge and remembering that you were told it is IQ.

Hope I explained that well enough.

Bobby Joe and Peggy Sue from way down south might survive an Apocalypse - because they got those hunting and survival skills. Bobby Joe goes trapping Raccoon while Peggy Sue teaches the young-uns to chop wood etc.

Meanwhile the highly educated folk in the City die off because all the shops are closed.

So who has the Higher IQ?

Many who are considered "intelligent" by today's standards, merely possess an informational spike on the intellectual spectrum. But I define true intelligence, as those who are genuine problem solvers, and not simply byproducts of traditional academia.

agree 100%

Not true, AC. I edited and tested IQ tests for 8 years. You're correct that IQ tests cover several different areas, at least Verbal and Mathematical/nonverbal (or performance).

One IQ test called the Raven Matrices has no words, only symbols. It correlates quite well with other verbal IQ tests.

There are many different intelligences, if you consider intelligence to be how well we can perform and succeed in different environments. Howard Gardner tests for seven different intelligences. There are probably hundreds more. And when you consider that our native intelligences are affected by psychological factors, a number or set of numbers is almost meaningless unless we assume the person is in optimal psychological condition.

I have a question for you 2+2=

I have a question for you 2+2 =

I knew this since I was 9.

Does that make you feel better bubba?

One has urban intelligence and the other has rural intelligence. When in an urban professional environment, the classically educated folk succeed better. In a rural survival situation, the locals have a higher IQ in terms of success.

OK now answer this 2+2=

In my world it equals 4. Has nothing to do with IQ, just knowledge.

Some people might be good at using reason to solve spatial tasks, others might be good at mathematical/logical tasks, interpersonal tasks or creative tasks (an average/poor at the rest). It only makes sense that intelligence is not a one dimensional phenomenon. But that of course does not mean it doesn't exist, and it also does not mean you cannot consider some types of intelligence more valuable than others. And some people still might be good at most of the intelligence types, and some people might be below average at most types.

If I'm smarter in a certain skill area, I'll learn faster. What's your point?

So why don't people with IQ's of 100 end up as physicists?

Wht do low IQ people burn down their own neighborhoods when they are angry? ie Rodney King, Watts riots.....etc

Absolutely! Agree totally.

Wrong I meant 2+2 in the base 10 numeral system which =10

2+2 in the base 8 numeral system = 0o4

2+2 in the binary numeral system = 0b100

This is common intelligence you should have asked me to specify which numeral system I using

It depends on the brainiac what they do. I know some gifted guys, they cry for all humanity and take responsibility beyond their dues to save other people from their fate. Those are the ones that grow to be community leaders in compassion. And then there are the evil geniuses out there who use their intelligence to categorize the world and ignore their potential. They look so clean on the outside, but their attitude inside is contempt.

If they have never been taught to think for a test how can you measure their fast or slowness? Maybe english is a second language, maybe they're Mayans from another time line and zero is not a part of their math system, maybe they don't know French or music or the-way-the-westerners-do-it.

Honestly, my budding psychic senses got me to go, "I guess I'll go to the person who asked the question what the answer is. They're still alive and I won't get punished if I'm wrong, and there is no incentive to be right." Where playing stupid is smart, can you believe it? And in my mind, I'm connecting with that eternal truth that has the right answer in the future. It might come from a strange source. Have you not seen the scribbles they do in physics and chemistry? Oh my gosh it could be anything if the rules are set up a certain way. I could be looking at a magical square of Mercury and the numbers correlate to the next launch coordinates of some military somewhere. It could be his phone number. I don't know. We create our world, and the results of our own logic.

IQ has a lot to do with exposure to knowledge, and that comes from a group. The training to pass an IQ test, it's a learned skill. It's a discipline.

Life is more than winning the tough questions in Jeopardy. My brain needs not come out of a box; it's bespoke for my protection. I have to be more variable than a computer to survive now.

This thread is nothing but a bunch of ignorami -- who don't know the difference between knowledge and raw intelligence -- arguing with each other.

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... was only a measurement of where one would fit in a particular subset ...
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I talk to person for 2-5 minutes and pretty much I know how to manipulate them.
I can tell if person is lying to me 99% of the time
I know 4 languages.
Science fascinates me but number solving beyond practical need is dead boring.
The one of amazing thing of evolution/creation...beehive.
I think it is possible to use music as universal language.
I've seen stupid educated people.
I've seen bright common folks.

High IQ is good to have but true value of it only known in real life situations.

i recommend for everyone to read the stephen gould's book afromentioned for the OP, The Mismeasure of Man, it's open my mind some years ago