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Obama's new social security cuts: removes essentially 3 months pay out of a year.

 
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What the government really needs to do is stop all these government workers from retiring after 20 or 30 years. Vest them and let them beginning collecting at 67 like the rest of us. Then, don't offer such programs for new hires and let them get SS when they are elderly like everyone else. Use the surplus gained from this to help fund SS.

Next, they need to immediately raise the retirement age to 70. Seventy isn't old and feeble today unless you didn't take care of yourself.

Then, they need to charge a surcharge on life-style related health issues. Why are we supplementing fat old people's alcohol issues, heart care, type II diabetes?
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you seem to forget all those drawing money on social security disabilty ,when so many are just fraud they can work for sure
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We need to end social security right NOW.

These people need to work. If they cannot work then their family needs o support them. It is as simply as that.

No more handouts. No more free ride.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24545480


You are dumber than shit. Social Security is not a benefit it is an absolute right. Social Security was 100%+ solvent up until YOUR thieving mug of a government dipped its black evil hands in the once plush pot and stole the money with the every present promise of repayment and "don't worry, we are from the government and here to help you." Just a little research on your part (and others screaming igorantly with the same voice) would show that the amountof money paid in by just the average guy/woman over the course of a working life, say 30 years, and with just a typical savings return would, at a minimum, tripled in that time. I paid in the maximum every year for over 30, dip shit, and if i live to be 90 i would not have recouped what i paid in and would have received if i had been able to invest it for myself. Screw you.
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Blue Sage you are a complete idiot. Where do you get people are going to settle on the government's dime? None of the money comes from "the government".

For your information no money comes from the government it comes from us.

Social Security is/was a fully funded operation. It is the 'borrowing' of it for off budget items that has left it with IOUs.
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12/23/2012 05:39 PM
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Old people have lived through the most prosperous time in our history. The fact that some don't have a savings and rely solely on social security is really their problem - why should people working 60 hours a week and barely feeding their own kids be responsible for these elderly who couldn't be bothered to save for a rainy day. They need to move in with their kids, nieces, and nephews like in the olden days - or deal with being sick and poor. I know that sounds cruel, but this is the reality of our economic times.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7570540


No one likes to think about the young. Old people want you to pay for their retirement, never mind that people in their 20s and 30s have college debts, might want to start their own families, can barely find work as it is and are struggling to feed their own families, if they have a family.

When Social Security was set up in the 1930s, it originally exempted business owners from paying in to it. The reason? The government thought if you were smart enough to run your own business then you shouldn't have to pay in to Social Security. Stated different, the average person is too stupid to save money.

Many people will decry these cuts as barbaric, but Social Security is a terrible program to begin with. Just because politicians over promised the Baby Boomers, doesn't mean that Social Security is underfunded. That's why promises shouldn't be made unless they can be kept. But politicians don't care about the public, they only care about themselves and getting elected.

Baby Boomers will just have to admit they were lied to and bought in to the idea of a generational ponzi scheme. Either there's honest cuts to Social Security and other entitlement programs or the purchasing power of our money will further decline due to higher inflation than what already exists.

Regardless, we're all going to pay dearly for the idiotic policies voted for by the masses and implemented by the political class. Thanks to military adventurism, excessive taxes, excessive regulations, Wall Street fraud, enormous government deficits and Ben Bernanke monetizing our deficits to the tune of over $1 trillion a year, we're all fucked.

If you're old, consider moving back in with your kids. If you're young, consider moving to another country that has more freedom and opportunity.

"A government big enough to give you everything you need, is a government big enough to take away everything you have...." -Thomas Jefferson
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Make no mistake, the AARP is after anything which screws anyone else in this country except them. Who do you think is pushing to end the tax deduction of mortgages? Heck, they have their homes paid for - let's even take more from the young to fund them. What BS!
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What bullshit that: what was a newly built house in 1953 paid in full at $10K now sells, the same house, for nearly $90K? The same house on the same land.

Ah, yea, the all powerful 30 Year Mortgage, the 20 year mortgage, even the 10 year mortgage at ridiculous compound interest.

Let's start there. Compound Interest and Inflation! Not Grow of the physical economic, but inflated interest of political economics.

Economics is far far more than keeping your check account balanced, its even more that Accounting.

The People of the USA have been under a Soft-Kill weaponed war that is using psychological warfare weapons, economic warfare weapons, and even biological and chemical nuclear soft-kill weapons (slowly make them disabled or reduce their capacity to fully produce).

I have called since the campiagns of the elections for 1992, to shit can all of the U.S. House, and sequentially the whole of the U.S. Senate. My people are being destroyed by a lack of knowledge, wisdom, and understanding.
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My Father worked 45 years, My mother worked 25 years.
They paid in a ton of money and both died before receiving any SS.

I don't feel like I will make it either.....so...

All of you can enjoy the money my whole family has paid in...



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Real doom for those who were thinking they could finally settle down and relax for 50 years on the government's dime.
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Right, because the threat of WWII made S.S. an easy sell in the new and improved Union (think Civil War)...the gov't would save their money like they were saving AmeriKa from communism.

Now they're finding out 75 years later it was all a lie and communism has caused them to go broke today.

1935 Social Security Act = massive Ponzi scheme
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It's sad what the main-stream media has done to some people. The basic human rights, like social security are in jeopardy and some people actually WANT to be a 3rd world country.
Stop listening to fox news idiots. Or any of them for that matter. This is a fucking conspiracy forum. Why are people here on the side of international corporations who don't contribute to the US, but receive government support.
FIGHT FOR YOUR FUCKING RIGHTS
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According to the AARP, "A typical 80-year-old woman will lose the equivalent of three months worth of food annually" under this plan.

This is a bad deal for current retirees. And it'll hit future retirees even harder, because the proposal cuts Social Security more and more with each passing year. After 10 years, benefits would be cut by about $500 a year for the average retiree. After 20 years, benefits would be cut by about $1,000 a year. And beyond that, it just gets worse.

[link to www.aarp.org]
 Quoting: BlueSage 13



That's because this society views everyone over the age of 50 as worthless . . .

To all the young people who blame boomers for all the problems in the world and everyone who thinks the elderly serve no purpose: I suggest you stop and consider that if this planet is still around and if you all make it past 50, how will YOU feel when all the young people point fingers and want to get rid of YOU? How will you feel then?
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I just do not know how people are going to make it .Wowbump
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considering the amount of food you can buy with food stamps/social security...I think people will be justtttttt fine
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According to the AARP, "A typical 80-year-old woman will lose the equivalent of three months worth of food annually" under this plan.

This is a bad deal for current retirees. And it'll hit future retirees even harder, because the proposal cuts Social Security more and more with each passing year. After 10 years, benefits would be cut by about $500 a year for the average retiree. After 20 years, benefits would be cut by about $1,000 a year. And beyond that, it just gets worse.

[link to www.aarp.org]
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you voted him in......deal with it
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the election was rigged....
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e-voting machines on electronic machines that can even be remotely controlled and changed, even in their programming.

And some people are calling for direct democracy with i-Voting?

Remember, if "they" can rig and election for a candidate, they can also rig the vote for a Constitutional Amendment and other Public Referendums.
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We need to end social security right NOW.

These people need to work. If they cannot work then their family needs o support them. It is as simply as that.

No more handouts. No more free ride.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24545480


Absolutely! and confiscate all checking, savings, 401k, and Ira accounts. Those $600 bottles of wine at congressional lunches don't grow on trees you know.
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they have the young people so brainwashed that they blame everything on the old. But its the rich that dont pay shit, thats why they are rich.
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You are the one who is brainwashed. You believe the rich don't pay "their fair share" and that is why they are rich? That is total socialist propaganda and a complete fallacy. Educate yourself. Read Ludwig Von Mises, Friedrich Hayek, Murray Rothbard, Tom Woods, Peter Schiff...learn something.
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Get your head out of Mises' ass, and his head full of the Austrian School of Economics.

For that matter get your head out of the ass of the London School of Economics.. its given you an STD.

Both the Austrian School of Economics and the London School of Economics are all about the Economics of Empire to destroy and then control Colonies of the Empire.
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There is plenty of money for SS.

I know this for a fact because they have trillions to give bankers in bailouts, trillions to spend on bogus wars abroad and trillions to give military industrial complex defense contracts.

So anyone that says omigod there is no money left for SS we have to cut grandma off is an idiot.
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A lot of that banking loan money has been paid back - but the country is still 16 trillion in debt, so yes, it's coming home to roost on Grandma and Grandpa along with the rest of us. Why should they be immune?

Realistically, if Grandma and Grandpa had refused to buy cheap foreign-made knock-offs and refused to shop at Walmart and demanded their children do the same, we would still have jobs and mom & pop corner stores. But no, Walmart imports were cheaper and now the Walmart heirs are worth as much as the bottom 40% of our population combined. So who was the idiot?
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Just EXACTLY Who is in debt. Who? Exactly. The U.S. Government? The People of the Country? The Corporations?

And Just Who are these in debt too?

Specifics, please.
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We need to end social security right NOW.

These people need to work. If they cannot work then their family needs o support them. It is as simply as that.

No more handouts. No more free ride.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24545480


All people collecting food stamps and welfare should work before people receiving Social Security. Many of them have never put a dime into the system. If we're going to end help for seniors we need to end help for EVERYONE!!!!
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Over 320,000,000 Americans.. what percentage are this imagined, "Many of them have never put a dime into the system."???

How many do you personally know, can you name them?

TO those who show no mercy, to them no mercy will be shown.
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watching the congressional boomers in all branches , fuck seniors is comedy gold.

Wait till they fuck over the 400000 seat farters who are eligible for federal retirement benefits in 2014 ) , you know it ain't many if any young folks that been on the seat farter express for 30 years +.
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Thousands of baby boomers are retiring every month
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There are also thousands of legals and illegals applying for welfare, food stamps, and medicaid every month so what are you saying?
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40 Million+ abortions on U.S. Citizen women since abortion was made legal. Those aborted babies would have been born U.S. Citizens.. another potential 40 Million people in the work force to be Taxed. Instead, allow LEGAL immigration. Instead, overlook Illegal Immigration.
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And that STILL is not enough FOR THE DEFENDERS OF THE RICH, THEY WANT more FROM THE POOR brfore they agree to any deal.
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No, this is the bill. After it's been hashed out for like 3 months. This is what they are going with.
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dude - alotta ppl already got their 2013 benefit amounts. vast majority of beneficiaries - their chex have been reduced.
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Hubby's aunt had a big increase of $18.00 on her SS check.

???

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We need to end social security right NOW.

These people need to work. If they cannot work then their family needs o support them. It is as simply as that.

No more handouts. No more free ride.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24545480

Of all the elderly collecting what they paid in, have you ever considered how many people pay in and die before age 65 and never collect a cent??? I have many dead friends like that - paid in for years, never saw a cent of it.
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cut the food stamps first, social security is our money.
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Fuck you. They already cut food stamps. My bills went up and I got $20 a month cut from my measly $120 a month in food stamps. I needed that food. You have any idea how hard it is to eat for $100 a month? I have a wife too. Try to feed 2 people on $100 a month. Just fucking try it. Dickhead.
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My case, $698/month SSI, and then a huge whooping $30/month food-stamps. A single person, paying $400/month for rent and utility in a rented Room. After rent I have $298/month, I have no car. $298/30 days = $9.93/day. Of that $298, I spend an addition $120/month on food (not fast food either, like McDonalds, or Pizza Hut). This leaves me $170/month to do other things, like do laundry, buy clothes and shoes, aspirin, etc.. or $170/30 days = $5.10 per day. Oh, and I worked 30 years full time at above minimum wage. I am not 65 yet, so not able to get regular social security, so this is all I can get.

I assume you have some form of income besides just your food stamps.

Oh, and yea, they are cutting my food stamps starting Jan to even less.
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We need to end social security right NOW.

These people need to work. If they cannot work then their family needs o support them. It is as simply as that.

No more handouts. No more free ride.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24545480



Well dude... I paid in to SS for 50 years. My employers also paid into it for me. Where is MY money??

YOU need to stop thinking of it as a handout and realize it is an entitlement. It was put into place as a retirement fund and it needs to remain a retirement fund for those who paid into it.

If the US government can give my tax money to support every other nation in the world, then they can pay me back every cent with interest that I paid into SS. I would be happy to take it in a one lump sum.

Steal from the old people so that we can support people in other countries. It really makes a lot of sense doesn't it???
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We need to end social security right NOW.

These people need to work. If they cannot work then their family needs o support them. It is as simply as that.

No more handouts. No more free ride.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24545480

Of all the elderly collecting what they paid in, have you ever considered how many people pay in and die before age 65 and never collect a cent??? I have many dead friends like that - paid in for years, never saw a cent of it.
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Heart attack and stroke at 59 y.o.a.. paid into SS for for 30 years. Doctors said it was a true miracle that I did not die. So, yeah, what you say is very valid. Who paid my doctor and hospital bills? The Roman Catholic Church, go figure not the U.S. Government nor my State Government.

Oh, and family WILL tell you to go get social services aid before they even think about helping you out more than what they themselves have paid in SS payments and all the other Taxes they have paid to the U.S. Government and State. They say, "that's part of what all those taxes were supposed to be for, to spread the cost of a few across the whole".
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this is just the Dept. of Welfare achieving their goal: putting Social Security under the Dept. of Welfare. We the workers pay and the broodmares bred to make free workers for corporate society, the way Walmart gets their free workers.

Much less money will go into the monthly SS check, but a little, food-stamp yumyum will go back to the elderly to keep them alive to keep the system alive.
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58 Million on Food Stamp of a population of 320 Million.. or 18% of the population.

So I guess it is in the general welfare of the U.S.A. to let 58 Million just starve today (whilst there is yet food), but got to war and kill over a million people in their on foreign nation, because someone thought their nation killed 3K of ours and spend Trillions of dollars in the process?

How does this work?

Mean while the ones that really did Sept 11th 2001, are running around scout free and clear.

The anti-Social Security program shills work for the Mega Investment Banks of Wall St and the Banks of London.
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this is just the Dept. of Welfare achieving their goal: putting Social Security under the Dept. of Welfare. We the workers pay and the broodmares bred to make free workers for corporate society, the way Walmart gets their free workers.

Much less money will go into the monthly SS check, but a little, food-stamp yumyum will go back to the elderly to keep them alive to keep the system alive.
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Shill for the Mega Investment Banks of Wall St and the Banks of London and for the Rothchilds and the like.
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It is so funny to watch Americans arguing about scraps while trillions of dollars are being sucked out of the economy

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And you, Poland, aren't getting your fair share? Is that what you mean by 'funny'?
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We need to end social security right NOW.

These people need to work. If they cannot work then their family needs o support them. It is as simply as that.

No more handouts. No more free ride.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24545480


All people collecting food stamps and welfare should work before people receiving Social Security. Many of them have never put a dime into the system. If we're going to end help for seniors we need to end help for EVERYONE!!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3203344


then I want every cent I paid in for 30 yrs and I want it out of your whiny ass check hows that? and when it comes time to retire I want you to keep working cuz every 70-80 yr old should still work
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90, 100, 110.. after all, Work Makes Free!
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Blue Sage you are a complete idiot. Where do you get people are going to settle on the government's dime? None of the money comes from "the government".

For your information no money comes from the government it comes from us.

Social Security is/was a fully funded operation. It is the 'borrowing' of it for off budget items that has left it with IOUs.
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bump
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cut the food stamps first, social security is our money.
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Fuck you. They already cut food stamps. My bills went up and I got $20 a month cut from my measly $120 a month in food stamps. I needed that food. You have any idea how hard it is to eat for $100 a month? I have a wife too. Try to feed 2 people on $100 a month. Just fucking try it. Dickhead.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21000351


My case, $698/month SSI, and then a huge whooping $30/month food-stamps. A single person, paying $400/month for rent and utility in a rented Room. After rent I have $298/month, I have no car. $298/30 days = $9.93/day. Of that $298, I spend an addition $120/month on food (not fast food either, like McDonalds, or Pizza Hut). This leaves me $170/month to do other things, like do laundry, buy clothes and shoes, aspirin, etc.. or $170/30 days = $5.10 per day. Oh, and I worked 30 years full time at above minimum wage. I am not 65 yet, so not able to get regular social security, so this is all I can get.

I assume you have some form of income besides just your food stamps.

Oh, and yea, they are cutting my food stamps starting Jan to even less.
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oh well, you have us . . .
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We need to end social security right NOW.

These people need to work. If they cannot work then their family needs o support them. It is as simply as that.

No more handouts. No more free ride.
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excuse me but WHAT ABOUT ALL THE MONEY I paid in already? I don't think it's a handout or free ride. Me thinks your a -------------------------------------------------------------​-------------------------------------------------------------​-------------------------------------------------------------​-------------------------------------------------------------​-------------------- and if I think of anything else I'll get back to you.
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I cant believe some of you tards are complaining about SS you pay into its not that much money out of your pay to keep old people handicap people from living in your parks fn tards.

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