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2013 Polar Vortex Collapsing; Complete Disintegration Possible!!! US, North Europe, Midle East Hit!!!

 
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Yes. Just about.
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I've heard countless times and seen things pointing to the sun not acting as it should during this cycle.
 Quoting: Da fuq


It's just weaker than thought and there is more filaments than usual. That's about it.
 Quoting: #Geomagnetic_Storm#


First time though right during minimum or maximum that its done this right? What about the effect on the others planets. Jupiter losings strips spots/ rotations speeding up ect.
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There was still no proof of anything happening to the planets. The only thing that happens to Jupiter was that a small asteroid hit it a couple months ago.
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Will this affect California Luisport?
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i can't tell nothing about predictions to California or Portugal... it depends that if this event happen only partially or a total collapse
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Will this affect California Luisport?
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i can't tell nothing about predictions to California or Portugal... it depends that if this event happen only partially or a total collapse
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Ok. Thanks
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Changes to Polar Vortex affect mile-deep ocean circulation patterns

Sept. 23, 2012 – A University of Utah study suggests something amazing: Periodic changes in winds 15 to 30 miles high in the stratosphere influence the seas by striking a vulnerable “Achilles heel” in the North Atlantic and changing mile-deep ocean circulation patterns, which in turn affect Earth’s climate.

A Vulnerable Soft Spot in the North Atlantic
“The North Atlantic is particularly important for global ocean circulation, and therefore for climate worldwide,” Reichler says. “In a region south of Greenland, which is called the downwelling region, water can get cold and salty enough – and thus dense enough – so the water starts sinking.”

It is Earth’s most important region of seawater downwelling, he adds. That sinking of cold, salty water “drives the three-dimensional oceanic conveyor belt circulation. What happens in the Atlantic also affects the other oceans.”

Reichler continues: “This area where downwelling occurs is quite susceptible to cooling or warming from the troposphere. If the water is close to becoming heavy enough to sink, then even small additional amounts of heating or cooling from the atmosphere may be imported to the ocean and either trigger downwelling events or delay them.”

Because of that sensitivity, Reichler calls the sea south of Greenland “the Achilles heel of the North Atlantic.”

The oil disaster weakened the loop current and in turn
weakened the gulf stream, this polar vortex collapse
could be the straw that breaks the camels back, in other
words completely stop the gulf stream........
The beginning of the new Ice Age
[link to arctic-news.blogspot.nl]
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The planet has been through a lot worse than us. Been through earthquakes, volcanoes, plate tectonics, continental drift, solar flares, sun spots, magnetic storms, the magnetic reversal of the poles … hundreds of thousands of years of bombardment by comets and asteroids and meteors, worldwide floods, tidal waves, worldwide fires, erosion, cosmic rays, recurring ice ages … And we think some plastic bags and some aluminum cans are going to make a difference? The planet isn’t going anywhere. WE are!

We’re going away. Pack your shit, folks. We’re going away. And we won’t leave much of a trace, either. Maybe a little Styrofoam … The planet’ll be here and we’ll be long gone. Just another failed mutation. Just another closed-end biological mistake. An evolutionary cul-de-sac. The planet’ll shake us off like a bad case of fleas.

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Yes. Just about.
 Quoting: #Geomagnetic_Storm#


I've heard countless times and seen things pointing to the sun not acting as it should during this cycle.
 Quoting: Da fuq


It's just weaker than thought and there is more filaments than usual. That's about it.
 Quoting: #Geomagnetic_Storm#


First time though during minimum or maximum that the sun has done this? What about the effect on the other planets? Jupiter losings strips spots/ rotations speeding up ect.
 Quoting: Da fuq


oh boy stars



Earth is heating up lately, but so are Mars, Pluto and other worlds in our solar system, leading some scientists to speculate that a change in the sun’s activity is the common thread linking all these baking events.

[link to www.livescience.com]

[link to www.esa.int]
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bump
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I've heard countless times and seen things pointing to the sun not acting as it should during this cycle.
 Quoting: Da fuq


It's just weaker than thought and there is more filaments than usual. That's about it.
 Quoting: #Geomagnetic_Storm#


First time though during minimum or maximum that the sun has done this? What about the effect on the other planets? Jupiter losings strips spots/ rotations speeding up ect.
 Quoting: Da fuq


oh boy stars



Earth is heating up lately, but so are Mars, Pluto and other worlds in our solar system, leading some scientists to speculate that a change in the sun’s activity is the common thread linking all these baking events.

[link to www.livescience.com]

[link to www.esa.int]
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Yeah but Geo and the other suntards are almost religious like when it comes to this stuff -i.e mental block to shit they don't want to hear.

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“Global warming on Neptune's moon Triton as well as Jupiter and Pluto, and now Mars has some [scientists] scratching their heads over what could possibly be in common with the warming of all these planets … Could there be something in common with all the planets in our solar system that might cause them all to warm at the same time?”

they might also scratch their dicks, perhaps more brains are down there dead3
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“Global warming on Neptune's moon Triton as well as Jupiter and Pluto, and now Mars has some [scientists] scratching their heads over what could possibly be in common with the warming of all these planets … Could there be something in common with all the planets in our solar system that might cause them all to warm at the same time?”

they might also scratch their dicks, perhaps more brains are down there dead3
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this is nothing about planets or sun activity...
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This is something to pay close attention...

possibility of probable doom...

real doom
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The breakdown of the polar vortex is an extreme event known as a sudden stratospheric warming, here the vortex completely breaks down and an associated warming of 30-50 degrees Celsius over a few days can occur. The Arctic vortex is elongated in shape, with two centres, one normally located over Baffin Island in Canada and the other over northeast Siberia. In rare events, when the general flow pattern is amplified (or meridional), the vortex can push further south as a result of axis interruption, such as during the Winter 1985 Arctic outbreak.[8] [link to en.wikipedia.org]
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so... this is about the collapse of the gulf stream? ocean currents stopping because of warming off the south of greenland? this sounds just like the movie day after tomorrow!
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What's the %chance that it takes the stream out completely and sends us into the ice age?
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Arctards!















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This is all sun related yes?

More signs of change to our sun?
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There is no changes happening to the sun. We are entering a solar minimum.
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You are so full of crap my friend. Solar MAXIMUM is not offically over until March of this year so go blow off.

YOU yourself better also watch the show on History. Brad Meltzers show on what IS HAPPENING to the Sun based on real Science not hype.

You my freind have already in other posts admitted to being a not yet learned anything college student and part time want to be astronomer. How the hell would you know whats going on with the Sun other than its still there.

They just moved to Sterio's and put up EMMUS and moved the ISS. All to watch the Sun. Emmus is for alerts for Solar Flares.

Now that we have established that you don't know what you are talking about before you say nothing is happening back it up with some data or fuck off.
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No winter last year,i say bring it !
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I'm with you! So hungry for snow and cold here -
bring on the freeze pleeze!!
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This is all sun related yes?

More signs of change to our sun?
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There is no changes happening to the sun. We are entering a solar minimum.
 Quoting: #Geomagnetic_Storm#


You are so full of crap my friend. Solar MAXIMUM is not offically over until March of this year so go blow off.

YOU yourself better also watch the show on History. Brad Meltzers show on what IS HAPPENING to the Sun based on real Science not hype.

You my freind have already in other posts admitted to being a not yet learned anything college student and part time want to be astronomer. How the hell would you know whats going on with the Sun other than its still there.

They just moved to Sterio's and put up EMMUS and moved the ISS. All to watch the Sun. Emmus is for alerts for Solar Flares.

Now that we have established that you don't know what you are talking about before you say nothing is happening back it up with some data or fuck off.
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yeah cos Brad is a real expert

cruise


for fucks sake this is nothing nothing nothing to do with the sun...

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What's the %chance that it takes the stream out completely and sends us into the ice age?
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it's not possible for me to respond to your question
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No winter last year,i say bring it !
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I'm with you! So hungry for snow and cold here -
bring on the freeze pleeze!!
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is this doom - or just a change? We need some cold here.
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The breakdown of the polar vortex is an extreme event known as a sudden stratospheric warming, here the vortex completely breaks down and an associated warming of 30-50 degrees Celsius over a few days can occur. The Arctic vortex is elongated in shape, with two centres, one normally located over Baffin Island in Canada and the other over northeast Siberia. In rare events, when the general flow pattern is amplified (or meridional), the vortex can push further south as a result of axis interruption, such as during the Winter 1985 Arctic outbreak.[8] [link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Temps have been down in the minus 40s & minus 50s in Interior Alaska
for about ten days now (before that we had a big snowstorm with temps in
the plus 20s), weather is supposed to warm up rapidly (to above zero) by
Tuesday. Not that there's anything unusual about this sort of forecast . . .
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The long-term trends point to the interesting possibility of a collapse of the polar vortex, perhaps in a very "explosive".

Analyzing the temperature anomalies to the surface of the sea, and at some points mainland, we can get a sense of the overall pattern that has preponderado over the past few weeks:

According to the letter today:

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The red
Blue-B
Purple-Lock

We have been observing a growing trend of locks mixed in Asia, and locks on anticyclonic regions of the NE Atlantic / Canada / Greenland.

In the Pacific the strengthening of positive temperature anomalies in Ecuador teem strengthened quite a blocking anticyclone near the antimeridiano of Greewich, and this has resulted in an overall pattern of cold air to accumulate in the tracks north America, extending from Alaska to regões W American as a strengthening of the Siberian AT, with negative anomalies in good portions of Asia.

On the other hand there has been an accumulation of energy in the central Pacific and the Atlantic Central and NE.

Blocking extensive in Asia should, according to the GFS result in a gradual distortion of the polar vortex:



This is because of the movement disorganized (Jet to "jumps" in the Troposphere) generates friction with the height of the vortex circulation, which heats and distorts the movement in time ... the air is thin as a small input of energy by friction can heat the air mass at several tens of degrees in a short time.


It happens that this warming on Asia tends to vortice roper in the region, promoting a more stable atmosphere, it cools more power and strengthening the AT Siberian.

The asia will freeze in the coming weeks so ...

On the other hand if the Pacific continues to warm, and circulation hemieferica vai pushing cold air from Siberia to the Pacific ... there should be an intensification of cyclogenesis in Japan, which promote a chain reaction to be locking in Paficico, and to be more warming Stratospheric progressing on the Pacific.

Well ... this will destabilize the polar vortex and may be that atinga a limit under which it start to disintegrate ...

The current standard promotes a distribution of such Thermal anomalies which is very favorable for an episode of collapse and vortice negativization extreme AO, sometime in January.

If this happens there should be a large destabilization of the Hemisphere atmospheric circulation, creating a very complex situation but possibly favorable to the occurrence of a period of time moved more about our range Subtropical.

But it's only a sketch, because in essence these events lead to unpredictable situations ... this letter shows what tend to be more expressive when it comes to default based on the distribution of the regions where it has manifested a greater accumulation of energy or cold ... the border points usually give us an idea of the type of flows and synoptic type that tends is easier to develop a region.


Summarizing the thing ... I think qie January may be one month very active, with lots of precipitation and below average temperatures tend. [link to www.meteopt.com]
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Polar vortex moves deepest current

Monday, 3 December 2012


by Bas den Hond

Cosmos Online
SAN FRANCISCO: Slight changes in the northern ‘polar vortex’ affects everything from weather systems to ocean currents, atmospheric scientists said.

Findings presented at the meeting of the American Geophysical Union in San Francisco showed that changes in the northern ‘polar vortex’ - a giant air circulation that emerges each winter in the stratosphere over the North Pole – can influence everything from weather systems and the ocean surface to the ‘thermohaline circulation’ – the large-scale ocean circulations driven by the temperature and saltiness of the water.

The research, by atmospheric scientist Thomas Reichler of the University of Utah and his student Junsu Kim, may have practical implications for medium-range climate prediction.

Cold, salty water sinks near Greenland, sensitive to change

One of the drivers of the thermohaline circulation occurs when the Gulf Stream approaches Greenland. Having seen a lot of sunshine and evaporation along the way, the Gulf Stream is saltier than the melt water from the Greenland glaciers it encounters. As it cools, it becomes denser than its surroundings and sinks to the bottom of the ocean.

As every next cubic kilometre of water arrives, the previous one is pushed in the only direction available: south. Eventually, it replaces warm water at the equator that will flow north and bring Northern Europe its temperate climate.

The system is very sensitive to the weather over the seas east and west of Greenland, said Reichler. A few tenths of degrees cooling more or less will make the difference between sinking or not. And that climatological Achilles’ heel is one of the factors that make it possible that events about 30 kilometers higher have an influence on it.

Reversing the polar vortex affects currents

“Another reason is that changes in the stratosphere seem to happen on very long time scales, there’s a decadal rhythm to it”, Reichler says. “The same goes for any changes in the oceans. That’s why the weather down below doesn’t have much influence – storms come and go in a matter of days, for instance. The ocean couldn’t care less, it can never respond and go along. But if you force it with a slow enough signal, that’s more likely to drive changes, to have ‘resonance’.”

The slow effect in the stratosphere that does the trick is the number of times that during a given winter the polar vortex suddenly weakens or even reverses the direction it turns in. This happened often in the last decade, and in the 80s, but it didn’t happen at all in the 90s.

Polar vortex affects cold air over North America

Those changes reduce the strength of the prevailing westerly winds over Greenland, and with that the transport of cold air from North America. That, in turn, will decrease the rate of cooling of the ocean water.

Temperature records and measurements of the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation, or AMOC, as the sinking of cold and salt water is called, seem to confirm the hypothesis, Reichler said. But records for the area only go back about 30 years, and measuring the AMOC is not very precise.

For further confirmation, he turned to existing computer models of the atmosphere-and-ocean system, and even though these didn’t have the level of geographical detail, in runs simulating 4,000 years of the present climate he could reproduce the effect.
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An event like this happened in 85?

Our stream and shields were all stronger during that time though I imagine.

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I'm trying to figure out this polar vortex collapse without using Space Weather, could someone give me their best theory ???
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Arctic Report Card
December 10th, 2012
[link to earthobservatory.nasa.gov]

is it possible there is now a larger ozone hole opening in the north as there is in the south?
[link to earthobservatory.nasa.gov]

Record Ozone Loss Over the North Pole
Apr. 8, 2011
[link to www.sciencedaily.com]
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Changes to Polar Vortex affect mile-deep ocean circulation patterns
Sept. 23, 2012 – A University of Utah study suggests something amazing: Periodic changes in winds 15 to 30 miles high in the stratosphere influence the seas by striking a vulnerable “Achilles heel” in the North Atlantic and changing mile-deep ocean circulation patterns, which in turn affect Earth’s climate.

“We found evidence that what happens in the stratosphere matters for the ocean circulation and therefore for climate,” says Thomas Reichler, senior author of the study published online Sunday, Sept. 23 in the journal Nature Geoscience.


Simplified artist’s conception showing how changes in polar vortex winds high in the stratosphere can influence the North Atlantic to cause changes in the global conveyor belt of ocean circulation. Credit: Thomas Reichler, University of Utah.

Scientists already knew that events in the stratosphere, 6 miles to 30 miles above Earth, affect what happens below in the troposphere, the part of the atmosphere from Earth’s surface up to 6 miles or about 32,800 feet. Weather occurs in the troposphere.

Researchers also knew that global circulation patterns in the oceans – patterns caused mostly by variations in water temperature and saltiness – affect global climate.

“It is not new that the stratosphere impacts the troposphere,” says Reichler, an associate professor of atmospheric sciences at the University of Utah. “It also is not new that the troposphere impacts the ocean. But now we actually demonstrated an entire link between the stratosphere, the troposphere and the ocean.”

Funded by the University of Utah, Reichler conducted the study with University of Utah atmospheric sciences doctoral student Junsu Kim, and with atmospheric scientist Elisa Manzini and oceanographer Jürgen Kröger, both with the Max Planck Institute for Meteorology in Hamburg, Germany.

Stratospheric Winds and Sea Circulation Show Similar Rhythms

Reichler and colleagues used weather observations and 4,000 years worth of supercomputer simulations of weather to show a surprising association between decade-scale, periodic changes in stratospheric wind patterns known as the polar vortex, and similar rhythmic changes in deep-sea circulation patterns. The changes are:

– “Stratospheric sudden warming” events occur when temperatures rise and 80-mph “polar vortex” winds encircling the Artic suddenly weaken or even change direction. These winds extend from 15 miles elevation in the stratosphere up beyond the top of the stratosphere at 30 miles. The changes last for up to 60 days, allowing time for their effects to propagate down through the atmosphere to the ocean.

– Changes in the speed of the Atlantic circulation pattern – known as Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation – that influences the world’s oceans because it acts like a conveyor belt moving water around the planet.

Sometimes, both events happen several years in a row in one decade, and then none occur in the next decade. So incorporating this decade-scale effect of the stratosphere on the sea into supercomputer climate simulations or “models” is important in forecasting decade-to-decade climate changes that are distinct from global warming, Reichler says.

“If we as humans modify the stratosphere, it may – through the chain of events we demonstrate in this study – also impact the ocean circulation,” he says. “Good examples of how we modify the stratosphere are the ozone hole and also fossil-fuel burning that adds carbon dioxide to the stratosphere. These changes to the stratosphere can alter the ocean, and any change to the ocean is extremely important to global climate.” [link to arctic-news.blogspot.pt]
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is it possible this could happen any day now?
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An event like this happened in 85?

Our stream and shields were all stronger during that time though I imagine.
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Winter 1985 Arctic outbreak

The Arctic air mass started moving into the United States on the evening of January 19 and the morning of January 20


[link to en.wikipedia.org]

January 19th 1985... my Parents told me the story of a great snow here in Kentucky on the 19th...

I was born on the 15th of January and the day I was brought home was when the snow began... January 19

I was born during Arctic doom

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read the link for more info on that arctic outbreak... kinda cool
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

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