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* Life Saving Information! - Cure & Prevent Heart Disease! *

 
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The amount of people who will of heart disease after reading this thread and thinking that vitamin c will cure their heart disease is about 100%.

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The amount of people who will of heart disease after reading this thread and thinking that vitamin c will cure their heart disease is about 100%.

Idiots.
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"For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another." -- Galatians 5:14-26
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"For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another." -- Galatians 5:14-26
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"For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another." -- Galatians 5:14-26
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heart disease is caused by an enterovirus
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No, sorry, heart disease is CAUSED by a weakening of the arterial lining and wall of the arteries because of deficiencies NOT viruses. Viruses and bacteria may come later because of the weakened body but they are NOT the CAUSE.
 Quoting: Veresanctus


Heart disease is due to the typical western diet of too much fat & cholesterol causing poor circulation.

Additionally, there are nutritional deficiencies due to processed foods such as white bread stripped of the wheat germ, known to cause separation of skin and wrinkles, hemorrhoids, ect.

Natural fruits and vegetables, whole grains. Let food be your medicine and medicine be your food.
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People that have low cholesterol also die of Heart Disease, explain that if cholesterol causes it?

No, cholesterol is one of the most important substances your body needs and is NOT the enemy, and neither is fat. In fact fat contain vitamins that help prevent disease like Vitamin A and D etc.

AND for your information it is known that people who eat a high grain diet tend to have a shorter life span.

ALSO people that have the highest cholesterol tend to ALSO be those who live the longest.
 Quoting: Veresanctus



The medical studies do not support your groundless claims. They show cholesterol & fat do in fact contribute to heart & CV disease, the basis for prescribing statins today, tho I dont believe they are good to take. It is much better to eliminate the fats from the diet. You advocating the typical western diet just take a vit C pill and all is well is complete rubbish.

Vit C comes from foods where we get plenty of it without any need for the synthetic junk.

Fats & cholesterols need to be eliminated to reverse heart disease. The vegan diet has had numerous studies showing the longest lived population groups. Any cholesterol needed is produced by the liver and plant fats are all that is required.

[link to health.usnews.com]

[link to www.cbsnews.com]

[link to news.bbc.co.uk]

[link to www.bluezones.com]

[link to ngm.nationalgeographic.com]

[link to www.signstimes.com]

health clinic

[link to www.chiphealth.com]

free videos

[link to amazingdiscoveries.tv]
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Once again - synthetic ascorbic acid is not vitamin C. Ascorbic acid is just the outer ring of nine that makes the molecule.

There are other websites as well. Just research each of the C omponents:


[link to drbenkim.com]

[link to www.thedoctorwithin.com]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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No, sorry, heart disease is CAUSED by a weakening of the arterial lining and wall of the arteries because of deficiencies NOT viruses. Viruses and bacteria may come later because of the weakened body but they are NOT the CAUSE.
 Quoting: Veresanctus


Heart disease is due to the typical western diet of too much fat & cholesterol causing poor circulation.

Additionally, there are nutritional deficiencies due to processed foods such as white bread stripped of the wheat germ, known to cause separation of skin and wrinkles, hemorrhoids, ect.

Natural fruits and vegetables, whole grains. Let food be your medicine and medicine be your food.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30541819


People that have low cholesterol also die of Heart Disease, explain that if cholesterol causes it?

No, cholesterol is one of the most important substances your body needs and is NOT the enemy, and neither is fat. In fact fat contain vitamins that help prevent disease like Vitamin A and D etc.

AND for your information it is known that people who eat a high grain diet tend to have a shorter life span.

ALSO people that have the highest cholesterol tend to ALSO be those who live the longest.
 Quoting: Veresanctus



The medical studies do not support your groundless claims. They show cholesterol & fat do in fact contribute to heart & CV disease, the basis for prescribing statins today, tho I dont believe they are good to take. It is much better to eliminate the fats from the diet. You advocating the typical western diet just take a vit C pill and all is well is complete rubbish.

Vit C comes from foods where we get plenty of it without any need for the synthetic junk.

Fats & cholesterols need to be eliminated to reverse heart disease. The vegan diet has had numerous studies showing the longest lived population groups. Any cholesterol needed is produced by the liver and plant fats are all that is required.

[link to health.usnews.com]

[link to www.cbsnews.com]

[link to news.bbc.co.uk]

[link to www.bluezones.com]

[link to ngm.nationalgeographic.com]

[link to www.signstimes.com]

health clinic

[link to www.chiphealth.com]

free videos

[link to amazingdiscoveries.tv]
 Quoting: Klink 30541819


Your are simply wrong, the lipid hypothesis has been shown numerous times to be a complete fallacy... If they were the cause then people who have very low levels would not get heart disease but they do.

Read this in it's entirety
[link to www.westonaprice.org]

ALSO I in NO WAY advocate the "western diet" because I believe that not only are most grains and sugars bad for you but people should NOT be consuming refined vegetable oils like corn oil, soybean oil, etc. etc.

My thinking is mostly in line with the Weston A. Price foundation and the Primal Diet.

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"For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another." -- Galatians 5:14-26
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No, sorry, heart disease is CAUSED by a weakening of the arterial lining and wall of the arteries because of deficiencies NOT viruses. Viruses and bacteria may come later because of the weakened body but they are NOT the CAUSE.
 Quoting: Veresanctus


Heart disease is due to the typical western diet of too much fat & cholesterol causing poor circulation.

Additionally, there are nutritional deficiencies due to processed foods such as white bread stripped of the wheat germ, known to cause separation of skin and wrinkles, hemorrhoids, ect.

Natural fruits and vegetables, whole grains. Let food be your medicine and medicine be your food.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30541819


People that have low cholesterol also die of Heart Disease, explain that if cholesterol causes it?

No, cholesterol is one of the most important substances your body needs and is NOT the enemy, and neither is fat. In fact fat contain vitamins that help prevent disease like Vitamin A and D etc.

AND for your information it is known that people who eat a high grain diet tend to have a shorter life span.

ALSO people that have the highest cholesterol tend to ALSO be those who live the longest.
 Quoting: Veresanctus



The medical studies do not support your groundless claims. They show cholesterol & fat do in fact contribute to heart & CV disease, the basis for prescribing statins today, tho I dont believe they are good to take. It is much better to eliminate the fats from the diet. You advocating the typical western diet just take a vit C pill and all is well is complete rubbish.

Vit C comes from foods where we get plenty of it without any need for the synthetic junk.

Fats & cholesterols need to be eliminated to reverse heart disease. The vegan diet has had numerous studies showing the longest lived population groups. Any cholesterol needed is produced by the liver and plant fats are all that is required.

[link to health.usnews.com]

[link to www.cbsnews.com]

[link to news.bbc.co.uk]

[link to www.bluezones.com]

[link to ngm.nationalgeographic.com]

[link to www.signstimes.com]

health clinic

[link to www.chiphealth.com]

free videos

[link to amazingdiscoveries.tv]
 Quoting: Klink 30541819


Also the longest living AND most robust people are those who eat a diet primarily of animal products but with SOME quality vegetables (check the Georgians). This is a FACT and has been known for a very long time. Cholesterol is produced by the liver yes but only as a backup solution when the diet does not provide it. This is because Cholesterol is so important (it's used for almost everything including making all hormones) that if you did not have enough you would die soon after. Eating it is simply good for you.

If you eliminated fats from your diet you would also be eliminating all the fatty acids and vitamins they contain which would be foolish. fats are not some empty substance like jello, they actually contain MANY beneficial compounds.

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"For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another." -- Galatians 5:14-26
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"For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another." -- Galatians 5:14-26
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Once again - synthetic ascorbic acid is not vitamin C. Ascorbic acid is just the outer ring of nine that makes the molecule.

There are other websites as well. Just research each of the C omponents:


[link to drbenkim.com]

[link to www.thedoctorwithin.com]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Most Vitamin C supplements are Calcium Ascorbate to better facilitate absorption and less stomach irritation.
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"For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another." -- Galatians 5:14-26
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Deny it all you want, it's the honest truth
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Deny it all you want, it's the honest truth
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Promote it all you want.
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"For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another." -- Galatians 5:14-26
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Vitamin C (add Lysine to reverse it in a timely fashion)

"The hypothesis that CVD is an ascorbic acid (vitamin C) deficiency disease was first conceived and tested in the early 1950s [*]. Willis devised a method of photographing plaques with X-rays and observed a strange phenomenon in his heart patients. Willis saw that atherosclerotic plaques were not uniformly distributed throughout the vascular system; rather these "blockages" are concentrated near the heart, where arteries are constantly bent or squeezed.

Another Canadian, Paterson, had found that the tissues of heart patients were generally depleted of ascorbate (vitamin C) [*], and it was well known that vitamin C is required for strong and healthy arteries. Willis reasoned that only the mechanical stress caused by the pulse could explain the typical pattern of atherosclerosis that he so often observed in different patients. To Willis, the body was laying down plaque precisely where it was needed in order to stabilize the vascular system."

[link to www.internetwks.com]

[link to www.paulingtherapy.com]

ALSO VITAMIN E, B3, and MAGNESIUM PLAY IMPORTANT ROLES MAKE SURE YOU GET ENOUGH OF THEM AS WELL!!!

PLEASE TELL OTHERS THIS KNOWN TRUTH

NOBODY SHOULD HAVE TO DIE FROM HEART DISEASE, NOBODY!!!!

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hf
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Vitamin C (add Lysine to reverse it in a timely fashion)

"The hypothesis that CVD is an ascorbic acid (vitamin C) deficiency disease was first conceived and tested in the early 1950s [*]. Willis devised a method of photographing plaques with X-rays and observed a strange phenomenon in his heart patients. Willis saw that atherosclerotic plaques were not uniformly distributed throughout the vascular system; rather these "blockages" are concentrated near the heart, where arteries are constantly bent or squeezed.

Another Canadian, Paterson, had found that the tissues of heart patients were generally depleted of ascorbate (vitamin C) [*], and it was well known that vitamin C is required for strong and healthy arteries. Willis reasoned that only the mechanical stress caused by the pulse could explain the typical pattern of atherosclerosis that he so often observed in different patients. To Willis, the body was laying down plaque precisely where it was needed in order to stabilize the vascular system."

[link to www.internetwks.com]

[link to www.paulingtherapy.com]

ALSO VITAMIN E, B3, and MAGNESIUM PLAY IMPORTANT ROLES MAKE SURE YOU GET ENOUGH OF THEM AS WELL!!!

PLEASE TELL OTHERS THIS KNOWN TRUTH

NOBODY SHOULD HAVE TO DIE FROM HEART DISEASE, NOBODY!!!!

 Quoting: Veresanctus


hf
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SPREAD THE TRUTH!!!
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"For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another." -- Galatians 5:14-26
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"For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another." -- Galatians 5:14-26
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Quack quack
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Deny it all you want, it's the honest truth
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Promote it all you want.
It doesn't work.
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Seriously, it has been proven to be almost 100% helpful in CHD to the point of even reversing it.

Read the articles about it.
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"For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another." -- Galatians 5:14-26
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Great thread of info ..thanks !!
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Great thread of info ..thanks !!
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Your welcome, I hope it helps people!
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"For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another." -- Galatians 5:14-26
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Quack quack
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Deny it all you want, it's the honest truth
 Quoting: Veresanctus


Promote it all you want.
It doesn't work.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30947969


Seriously, it has been proven to be almost 100% helpful in CHD to the point of even reversing it.

Read the articles about it.
 Quoting: Veresanctus


Seriously, I have.
I work in cardiology.
There have been, at best, a couple of studies which show some promise but they need further investigations.
However these studies are definitely not a cure and cannot reverse heart disease at all.
It may be helpful in prevention and that's about it.
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Vitamin C (add Lysine to reverse it in a timely fashion)

"The hypothesis that CVD is an ascorbic acid (vitamin C) deficiency disease was first conceived and tested in the early 1950s [*]. Willis devised a method of photographing plaques with X-rays and observed a strange phenomenon in his heart patients. Willis saw that atherosclerotic plaques were not uniformly distributed throughout the vascular system; rather these "blockages" are concentrated near the heart, where arteries are constantly bent or squeezed.

Another Canadian, Paterson, had found that the tissues of heart patients were generally depleted of ascorbate (vitamin C) [*], and it was well known that vitamin C is required for strong and healthy arteries. Willis reasoned that only the mechanical stress caused by the pulse could explain the typical pattern of atherosclerosis that he so often observed in different patients. To Willis, the body was laying down plaque precisely where it was needed in order to stabilize the vascular system."

[link to www.internetwks.com]

[link to www.paulingtherapy.com]

ALSO VITAMIN E, B3, and MAGNESIUM PLAY IMPORTANT ROLES MAKE SURE YOU GET ENOUGH OF THEM AS WELL!!!

PLEASE TELL OTHERS THIS KNOWN TRUTH

NOBODY SHOULD HAVE TO DIE FROM HEART DISEASE, NOBODY!!!!

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great post
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Deny it all you want, it's the honest truth
 Quoting: Veresanctus


Promote it all you want.
It doesn't work.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30947969


Seriously, it has been proven to be almost 100% helpful in CHD to the point of even reversing it.

Read the articles about it.
 Quoting: Veresanctus


Seriously, I have.
I work in cardiology.
There have been, at best, a couple of studies which show some promise but they need further investigations.
However these studies are definitely not a cure and cannot reverse heart disease at all.
It may be helpful in prevention and that's about it.
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linus pauling didn't agree with you.
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Deny it all you want, it's the honest truth
 Quoting: Veresanctus


Promote it all you want.
It doesn't work.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30947969


Seriously, it has been proven to be almost 100% helpful in CHD to the point of even reversing it.

Read the articles about it.
 Quoting: Veresanctus


Seriously, I have.
I work in cardiology.
There have been, at best, a couple of studies which show some promise but they need further investigations.
However these studies are definitely not a cure and cannot reverse heart disease at all.
It may be helpful in prevention and that's about it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31574170


You do know the body has an amazing ability to heal right? Once the cause of CHD is removed then the body will heal and reverse the disease in most cases. Of course sometimes a little help is needed to reverse it which is why you add the lysine.

Why not look into the evidence? Don't count on conventional pathways to know if it really works or not... Scroll and checkout the links

[link to www.vitamincfoundation.org]

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"For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another." -- Galatians 5:14-26
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Promote it all you want.
It doesn't work.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30947969


Seriously, it has been proven to be almost 100% helpful in CHD to the point of even reversing it.

Read the articles about it.
 Quoting: Veresanctus


Seriously, I have.
I work in cardiology.
There have been, at best, a couple of studies which show some promise but they need further investigations.
However these studies are definitely not a cure and cannot reverse heart disease at all.
It may be helpful in prevention and that's about it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31574170


linus pauling didn't agree with you.
 Quoting: s. d. butler


I didn't agree with him either.
There's no denying he was a brilliant chemist but that doesn't translate into being a brilliant physician.

His studies were very amateurish and easily picked apart as his methodology was flawed to the extreme.
Believe it or not (it's easily researched) this pioneer of natural "medicine" was funded By Roche pharmaceuticals.

Just looking at the 1st testimonial on the Vit C foundation site...
When you have a heart attack (myocardial infarction) the heart muscle dies. Muscle death can not be reversed so when it says "his cardiologist did an EKG and called him up, excitedly, telling him that it looked as if he had never even had a heart attack (He has had 3!!!)." that's just total fabrication as an MI will show up on an ecg (EKG) for quite some time after one (we're talking months here).
It is impossible to bring dead muscle back to life (unless of course you're Frankenstein).

Putting a blatant lie on the front page of a website like that just immediately rings alarm bells.

The fact that he colluded with Matthias Rath is part of this also gets them ringing. He's probably the most aggressive quack out there.

Feel free to believe it if you wish. Feel free to use this yourself but please don't take up anyone else's time when it doesn't work and you need proper medical attention.
Take a vit C tablet instead.
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Seriously, it has been proven to be almost 100% helpful in CHD to the point of even reversing it.

Read the articles about it.
 Quoting: Veresanctus


Seriously, I have.
I work in cardiology.
There have been, at best, a couple of studies which show some promise but they need further investigations.
However these studies are definitely not a cure and cannot reverse heart disease at all.
It may be helpful in prevention and that's about it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31574170


linus pauling didn't agree with you.
 Quoting: s. d. butler


I didn't agree with him either.
There's no denying he was a brilliant chemist but that doesn't translate into being a brilliant physician.

His studies were very amateurish and easily picked apart as his methodology was flawed to the extreme.
Believe it or not (it's easily researched) this pioneer of natural "medicine" was funded By Roche pharmaceuticals.

Just looking at the 1st testimonial on the Vit C foundation site...
When you have a heart attack (myocardial infarction) the heart muscle dies. Muscle death can not be reversed so when it says "his cardiologist did an EKG and called him up, excitedly, telling him that it looked as if he had never even had a heart attack (He has had 3!!!)." that's just total fabrication as an MI will show up on an ecg (EKG) for quite some time after one (we're talking months here).
It is impossible to bring dead muscle back to life (unless of course you're Frankenstein).

Putting a blatant lie on the front page of a website like that just immediately rings alarm bells.

The fact that he colluded with Matthias Rath is part of this also gets them ringing. He's probably the most aggressive quack out there.

Feel free to believe it if you wish. Feel free to use this yourself but please don't take up anyone else's time when it doesn't work and you need proper medical attention.
Take a vit C tablet instead.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31741081


Every-time you exercise you kill muscle tissue, especially when overdoing it. But you grow NEW muscle tissue to replace the OLD DEAD muscle tissue. This is normal and happens all throughout the body. You don't just have dead muscle tissue forever and never recovery. The body DOES recovery more quickly from injury if you have enough vitamin C.
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"For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another." -- Galatians 5:14-26
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Seriously, I have.
I work in cardiology.
There have been, at best, a couple of studies which show some promise but they need further investigations.
However these studies are definitely not a cure and cannot reverse heart disease at all.
It may be helpful in prevention and that's about it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31574170


linus pauling didn't agree with you.
 Quoting: s. d. butler


I didn't agree with him either.
There's no denying he was a brilliant chemist but that doesn't translate into being a brilliant physician.

His studies were very amateurish and easily picked apart as his methodology was flawed to the extreme.
Believe it or not (it's easily researched) this pioneer of natural "medicine" was funded By Roche pharmaceuticals.

Just looking at the 1st testimonial on the Vit C foundation site...
When you have a heart attack (myocardial infarction) the heart muscle dies. Muscle death can not be reversed so when it says "his cardiologist did an EKG and called him up, excitedly, telling him that it looked as if he had never even had a heart attack (He has had 3!!!)." that's just total fabrication as an MI will show up on an ecg (EKG) for quite some time after one (we're talking months here).
It is impossible to bring dead muscle back to life (unless of course you're Frankenstein).

Putting a blatant lie on the front page of a website like that just immediately rings alarm bells.

The fact that he colluded with Matthias Rath is part of this also gets them ringing. He's probably the most aggressive quack out there.

Feel free to believe it if you wish. Feel free to use this yourself but please don't take up anyone else's time when it doesn't work and you need proper medical attention.
Take a vit C tablet instead.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31741081


Every-time you exercise you kill muscle tissue, especially when overdoing it. But you grow NEW muscle tissue to replace the OLD DEAD muscle tissue. This is normal and happens all throughout the body. You don't just have dead muscle tissue forever and never recovery. The body DOES recovery more quickly from injury if you have enough vitamin C.
 Quoting: Veresanctus


I'm not talking about individual muscle cells or fibres here as you obviously are. Cardiac muscle is different to skeletal muscle at a cellular level anyway and in several other ways.
I'm talking about a relatively large portion of cardiac muscle dying called necrosis.

Have a look at this explanation of the physiology of an MI (pay attention to the first line where it say "irreversible..."

[link to www.cvphysiology.com]

Now tell me again how vitamin C will bring this dead tissue back to life please.

Then please realise what's written on that site is utter nonsense and fabrication.
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linus pauling didn't agree with you.
 Quoting: s. d. butler


I didn't agree with him either.
There's no denying he was a brilliant chemist but that doesn't translate into being a brilliant physician.

His studies were very amateurish and easily picked apart as his methodology was flawed to the extreme.
Believe it or not (it's easily researched) this pioneer of natural "medicine" was funded By Roche pharmaceuticals.

Just looking at the 1st testimonial on the Vit C foundation site...
When you have a heart attack (myocardial infarction) the heart muscle dies. Muscle death can not be reversed so when it says "his cardiologist did an EKG and called him up, excitedly, telling him that it looked as if he had never even had a heart attack (He has had 3!!!)." that's just total fabrication as an MI will show up on an ecg (EKG) for quite some time after one (we're talking months here).
It is impossible to bring dead muscle back to life (unless of course you're Frankenstein).

Putting a blatant lie on the front page of a website like that just immediately rings alarm bells.

The fact that he colluded with Matthias Rath is part of this also gets them ringing. He's probably the most aggressive quack out there.

Feel free to believe it if you wish. Feel free to use this yourself but please don't take up anyone else's time when it doesn't work and you need proper medical attention.
Take a vit C tablet instead.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31741081


Every-time you exercise you kill muscle tissue, especially when overdoing it. But you grow NEW muscle tissue to replace the OLD DEAD muscle tissue. This is normal and happens all throughout the body. You don't just have dead muscle tissue forever and never recovery. The body DOES recovery more quickly from injury if you have enough vitamin C.
 Quoting: Veresanctus


I'm not talking about individual muscle cells or fibres here as you obviously are. Cardiac muscle is different to skeletal muscle at a cellular level anyway and in several other ways.
I'm talking about a relatively large portion of cardiac muscle dying called necrosis.

Have a look at this explanation of the physiology of an MI (pay attention to the first line where it say "irreversible..."

[link to www.cvphysiology.com]

Now tell me again how vitamin C will bring this dead tissue back to life please.

Then please realise what's written on that site is utter nonsense and fabrication.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31741081


I didn't say Vitamin C would rebuild the heart muscle I said the body would if it has what it needs to do so..

Look, if it wasn't possible then THIS would not work, but it does... [link to www.healthfiend.com]


BUMP for LIVES!bump
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"For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another." -- Galatians 5:14-26
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linus pauling didn't agree with you.
 Quoting: s. d. butler


I didn't agree with him either.
There's no denying he was a brilliant chemist but that doesn't translate into being a brilliant physician.

His studies were very amateurish and easily picked apart as his methodology was flawed to the extreme.
Believe it or not (it's easily researched) this pioneer of natural "medicine" was funded By Roche pharmaceuticals.

Just looking at the 1st testimonial on the Vit C foundation site...
When you have a heart attack (myocardial infarction) the heart muscle dies. Muscle death can not be reversed so when it says "his cardiologist did an EKG and called him up, excitedly, telling him that it looked as if he had never even had a heart attack (He has had 3!!!)." that's just total fabrication as an MI will show up on an ecg (EKG) for quite some time after one (we're talking months here).
It is impossible to bring dead muscle back to life (unless of course you're Frankenstein).

Putting a blatant lie on the front page of a website like that just immediately rings alarm bells.

The fact that he colluded with Matthias Rath is part of this also gets them ringing. He's probably the most aggressive quack out there.

Feel free to believe it if you wish. Feel free to use this yourself but please don't take up anyone else's time when it doesn't work and you need proper medical attention.
Take a vit C tablet instead.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31741081


Every-time you exercise you kill muscle tissue, especially when overdoing it. But you grow NEW muscle tissue to replace the OLD DEAD muscle tissue. This is normal and happens all throughout the body. You don't just have dead muscle tissue forever and never recovery. The body DOES recovery more quickly from injury if you have enough vitamin C.
 Quoting: Veresanctus


I'm not talking about individual muscle cells or fibres here as you obviously are. Cardiac muscle is different to skeletal muscle at a cellular level anyway and in several other ways.
I'm talking about a relatively large portion of cardiac muscle dying called necrosis.

Have a look at this explanation of the physiology of an MI (pay attention to the first line where it say "irreversible..."

[link to www.cvphysiology.com]

Now tell me again how vitamin C will bring this dead tissue back to life please.

Then please realise what's written on that site is utter nonsense and fabrication.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31741081


"Cardiac Cell Regeneration – Not too long ago, it was believed that cardiac tissue was uniquely incapable of being regenerated. A new, but rapidly growing body of experimental research now indicates that this is simply not true, and there is a class of heart-tissue regenerating compounds known as neocardiogenic substances. Neocardiogenic substances are able to stimulate the formation of cardiac progenitor cells which can differentiate into healthy heart tissue, and they include the following:

Resveratrol
Siberian Ginseng (Eleuthero)
Red Wine Extract
Geum Japonicum
N-acetyl-cysteine


Another remarkable example of cardiac cell regeneration is through what is known as fetomaternal trafficking of stem cells through the placenta. In a recent article we discussed the amazing process known as "fetal microchimerism" by which the fetus contributes stem cells to the mother which are capable of regenerating her damaged heart cells, and possibly a wide range of other cell types."
[link to www.greenmedinfo.com]
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"For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another." -- Galatians 5:14-26

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