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It Is Time To Legalize Heroin

 
pi (OP)
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PERFECT. Thank you very much. hf

However, if they ban McDonald's, they might end up promoting Burger King as a "non-addictive substitute." 1rof1

peace

Though they might just switch to Burger King... rolleyes
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Hehe, that last line was in my blind spot.
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doesn't our brain produce the DMT drug ? abduct
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yes... at birth, significant events, and death....

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Or nearly 'on demand' when one learns to activate that part of the their brain in meditation.

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Drug addicts and abusers should be treated as patients not criminals. Everything should be taken only in moderation. Legalize Marijuana!
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doesn't our brain produce the DMT drug ? abduct
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yes... at birth, significant events, and death....

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Or nearly 'on demand' when one learns to activate that part of the their brain in meditation.

:)
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Yes... which is why the Monoamine Oxidases seek out and destroy DMT as a first priority... the common target being 5-HT. Which is also why we can't ingest DMT and expect it to work on us... unless a "secret", ancient recipe is employed... ;)

Now how on Earth would they have figured THAT one out? Two nausea-inducing plants, neither of which are effective on their own... trial and error seems unlikely...

Hi Seer... peace
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I guess in great libertarian stide and in the interest of free market capitalism we should legalize all controlled substances.

I don't agree with hard drug usage as a lifestyle though. Natually controlling the substance has done much to create these lifstyles though as people who choose to use also choose to skirt the edges of "normal society" -however, even with legalization there would be a line that users draw for themselves by other choices they make in life and how much their drug use effects them and their loved ones.

All of that aside, the biggest obstacles to legalization are going to be the Pharmaseuticles industry who banks billions on drug regulation - remember the "reason" heroin was regulated to begin with was to stop soda jerks from advertising miracle cures with the stuff. Now there is an industry that advertises miracles "legally" and their grip is not going to be loosesned easily.

Another group that the illegalization feeds is the DEA themselves who rely on these laws to exist. Also, probably won't go quietly.
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I guess in great libertarian stide and in the interest of free market capitalism we should legalize all controlled substances.

I don't agree with hard drug usage as a lifestyle though. Natually controlling the substance has done much to create these lifstyles though as people who choose to use also choose to skirt the edges of "normal society" -however, even with legalization there would be a line that users draw for themselves by other choices they make in life and how much their drug use effects them and their loved ones.

All of that aside, the biggest obstacles to legalization are going to be the Pharmaseuticles industry who banks billions on drug regulation - remember the "reason" heroin was regulated to begin with was to stop soda jerks from advertising miracle cures with the stuff. Now there is an industry that advertises miracles "legally" and their grip is not going to be loosesned easily.

Another group that the illegalization feeds is the DEA themselves who rely on these laws to exist. Also, probably won't go quietly.
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Agreed dude. The underpinnings of the "hard drugs" lifestyle come from the fact that users feel the need to hide the fact that they use, and also, that it often takes a good chunk out of someone's day to "score" hard drugs.

If they didn't have to worry about where their next fix was to come from, they would "magically transform" into ordinary, valued citizens, trust me. It's already happening in the European countries where they prescribe free heroin.
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OH CANADA!
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was this the plan all along? why the massive amounts of heroin around these days back 10,15 years ago it was a lot harder to find. now its flooding. why? I don't agree that the government should tell us what to put in our bodies, but heroin is bad shit. real bad.
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Yes... which is why the Monoamine Oxidases seek out and destroy DMT as a first priority... the common target being 5-HT. Which is also why we can't ingest DMT and expect it to work on us... unless a "secret", ancient recipe is employed... ;)

Now how on Earth would they have figured THAT one out? Two nausea-inducing plants, neither of which are effective on their own... trial and error seems unlikely...

Hi Seer... peace
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:)

Your knowledge continues to impress me.



I would like to discuss something with you I saw you mention last night, regarding the (left/right) kundalini.

As I have been looking for others who can identify with the l/r phenomena and I am having a hard time finding them or at least discussing it with someone who has experienced it extensively.

It is a sensitive topic however, so I was hoping I could find a way to discuss it with you privately.

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I would like to discuss something with you I saw you mention last night, regarding the (left/right) kundalini.

As I have been looking for others who can identify with the l/r phenomena and I am having a hard time finding them or at least discussing it with someone who has experienced it extensively.

It is a sensitive topic however, so I was hoping I could find a way to discuss it with you privately.
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I made a new g-mail account, pi1178711@gmail.com.

Give me a shout!

BTW let me know when you send the email, I'm a bit paranoid regarding dropped communications from technical error. LOL.

peace
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BTW let me know when you send the email
, I'm a bit paranoid regarding dropped communications from technical error. LOL.

peace
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BTW let me know when you send the email
, I'm a bit paranoid regarding dropped communications from technical error. LOL.

peace
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:)
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Account activated FINALLY lol.

Anyways, give me a bit to collect my thoughts, but, I've had something in mind for quite a while now, that you may find to be of some explanation.


Fairy Blue, to you peace
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Account activated FINALLY lol.

Anyways, give me a bit to collect my thoughts, but, I've had something in mind for quite a while now, that you may find to be of some explanation.


Fairy Blue, to you peace
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Excellent.

I look forward to hearing from you.



Perhaps someone will be kind enough to upgrade you.

:)


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You know nothing about the issue.

Opiates ARE "lightly addictive" (what a nonsense term) compared to alcohol, cocaine and benzodiazepines. Look it up.

OD's are caused by sudden changes in purity in the illicit supply. If the dose is known, the risk of OD is almost zero. Opiate users do not want to DIE. They just want to be well.

Plus you can carry an antidote. Narcan. But thanks to scum sucker "zero tolerance" policies, the PTB would rather you DIE than get clean. FUCK THEM.

And by the way that stupid little jab about constipation... well guess what jack-ass... people who are genetically inclined to use opiates suffer this to a far less extent than others. FURTHERMORE, all addicts become tolerant to this after a time. The shit doesn't just build and build and build, you idiot. Some people are opiate dependent for many decades. You're trying to tell me they have a 100 pound lump of shit in their bowels?

Maybe for ONCE you could open your mind.

fuckoff2
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Please continue to spout your crap. It's fine if you want to believe this drivel, but I do feel for anyone else who actually believes it. Opiates are HIGHLY addictive. Over a relatively short time, opiates change the way your brain operates at a chemical level. You physically need components of the drug to function.

Purity differences can be a contributing factor to OD, sure. Bottom line though and OD is cased by tolerance, and the user needing more and more of the drug to continue the high at a level equal to the time before.

If you want to carry around Narcan to counter balance your flirtation with death, go ahead. Just remember you are basically putting yourself into an instant detox. Narcan is an opioid antagonist. You are taking your body from the height of a high to a complete starvation of the drug. That's about the worst thing I can imagine any addict wanting to go through.


Bottom line, I see 100 of ~you~ a year. You have the addiction "under control". Nothing wrong with the way you live life, everything is peachy. You have it all figured out, you have all the answers. Only one problem with that, 20% of ~you~ don't make it through a year alive. %60 don't make it 2 years.

Like I said in the beginning of this post, believe what you want. I'm only trying to help...even though you, and the 99 people I will see just like you this year, don't seem to want it.
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Pretty agree, as most of the drugs, what is really dangerous are the cutting agents.
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That is some moronic shit babble. Only can an addict conjure up such bullshit. Try living with yourself- you have NO IDEA how fucking annoying it is to live with an opiate addict. Nothing but lying, coniving, concocting, stealing, and 'jonesing' 24 hours a day 7 days a week. They are only pleasant when high, then sleeping or raging the rest the time. Nothing in life can be done or enjoyed without the aid of pills. I want to kill myself half the time just to escape the madness and I'm not the addict. Plus to top it all off, if you love someone this will absolutely rip your heart out of your body watching an itteligent, caring, beautiful person become a souless slave to the PILL. I never believed in demon possession or any of that but I tend to wonder as a direct result of witnessing opiate addiction could this possibly be whats happening? Anyways, keep fooling yourself you pathetic addict, no, no one around you is suffering, it's all good..peace out
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They treat us like we are children.

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a junkie without dope is like a sick horese.
what do ya do with a sick horse?
Shoot it ! bang bang
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Heroin will rape you so hard.

Amphetamine would be a better legal alternative.
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Ridiculous, you and the OP. This shit(either drug) kills people.
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You know nothing about the issue.
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Please continue to spout your crap. It's fine if you want to believe this drivel, but I do feel for anyone else who actually believes it. Opiates are HIGHLY addictive. Over a relatively short time, opiates change the way your brain operates at a chemical level. You physically need components of the drug to function.

Purity differences can be a contributing factor to OD, sure. Bottom line though and OD is cased by tolerance, and the user needing more and more of the drug to continue the high at a level equal to the time before.

If you want to carry around Narcan to counter balance your flirtation with death, go ahead. Just remember you are basically putting yourself into an instant detox. Narcan is an opioid antagonist. You are taking your body from the height of a high to a complete starvation of the drug. That's about the worst thing I can imagine any addict wanting to go through.

Bottom line, I see 100 of ~you~ a year. You have the addiction "under control". Nothing wrong with the way you live life, everything is peachy. You have it all figured out, you have all the answers. Only one problem with that, 20% of ~you~ don't make it through a year alive. %60 don't make it 2 years.

Like I said in the beginning of this post, believe what you want. I'm only trying to help...even though you, and the 99 people I will see just like you this year, don't seem to want it.

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Seriously?

I'm not trying to tell people to use opiates.

What I am doing is trying to say how badly prohibition screws things up. And it does. You have yet to refute this.

By the way, there is no tolerance ceiling on opiates. This invalidates the bold text. Do your research before you spout your BS. Let me guess, you're a methadone clinic worker? Or a parole officer? Some authority on drugs that lacks any knowledge about them?

As for the underlined text. It is better than death. Anyone against harm reduction should be thrown in jail. Besides what do you care if a "junkie" suffers?

Puh-lease. I have withdrawn from opiates 4 times and am currently clean. I think I know what I'm talking about. You clearly have no sympathy.

As for the italicized. You know exactly the ideology to blame here. Be responsible. Harm reduction is only good. Like seatbelts.

And if you have to say to people "believe what you will", then clearly you are a shitty teacher.

That is some moronic shit babble. Only can an addict conjure up such bullshit. Try living with yourself- you have NO IDEA how fucking annoying it is to live with an opiate addict. Nothing but lying, coniving, concocting, stealing, and 'jonesing' 24 hours a day 7 days a week. They are only pleasant when high, then sleeping or raging the rest the time. Nothing in life can be done or enjoyed without the aid of pills. I want to kill myself half the time just to escape the madness and I'm not the addict. Plus to top it all off, if you love someone this will absolutely rip your heart out of your body watching an itteligent, caring, beautiful person become a souless slave to the PILL. I never believed in demon possession or any of that but I tend to wonder as a direct result of witnessing opiate addiction could this possibly be whats happening? Anyways, keep fooling yourself you pathetic addict, no, no one around you is suffering, it's all good..peace out
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Eat shit. Did you even read the post? Do you think people would be doing ANY of that if heroin were sold for even ten times what it takes to produce?

They treat us like we are children.

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a junkie without dope is like a sick horese.
what do ya do with a sick horse?
Shoot it ! bang bang
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29006760


See above. EDIT: never mind, I see what ur getting at... LOL

Heroin will rape you so hard.

Amphetamine would be a better legal alternative.
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Ridiculous, you and the OP. This shit(either drug) kills people.
 Quoting: Mwalk


And yet you have no argument to level against me.

Is there any real scientists here that can take this on? It ain't lookin that way...

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though i agree with things like weed being legalized, heroin can fuck you up so bad that it ruins your life and any relationships with friends/family/lover you have.
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though i agree with things like weed being legalized, heroin can fuck you up so bad that it ruins your life and any relationships with friends/family/lover you have.
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Yup, drug topics do tend to be a call to arms for ceiling fans.
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Yup, drug topics do tend to be a call to arms for ceiling fans.
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Why heroin?

Can Man not learn to release these same sensations in oneSelf through meditative practice?


It seems, physically addictive substances such as heroin, cause an unhealthy usage rate. To the point of practicing immoral behavior to obtain said..rush.

Which would be the inherent problem.

hmm
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though i agree with things like weed being legalized, heroin can fuck you up so bad that it ruins your life and any relationships with friends/family/lover you have.
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Legalize it all, regulate it, tax it,educate , and then if they get fucked up on it we treat them as patients and help them instead of locking them up like criminals
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“...what we have here with heroin, is another example of how drugs clearly affect people other than the user, despite his long-winded rationalization that he is only harming himself with his use. It should be obvious to the addicts by now, that their drugs of choice do harm our society, and that a change of lifestyle is in order. Indeed, how could they not be? The mere presence of the drugs is able to inspire symptoms akin to neurosis, psychosis, paranoia, and even imperiousness in everyday citizens; every single person that is naive to the drug is affected, and correlation is positive.”

-Source unknown.

I intended to begin with a list of reasons why opiate drugs are not as harmful as they are portrayed to be, before realizing that there hasn’t ever been a serious, well-thought out point made against them being absolutely safe.

In medical literature, opioids are recognized as having no potential for physiological damage of any kind. Period. No where can there be found a single recognized negative side-effect of narcotic usage, with one exception; constipation. That’s it. One does not open a doorway to hell via opioid usage, nor does one conjure a demon, or even damage one’s brain.

Indeed, even the many reefer-madness style objections to drug use are entirely absent when one considers anti-opiate propaganda; it should be noted especially, that the modern “gateway theory” once ran in reverse; that is, an argument once leveled against opiate use was that it might lead to usage of the demon of the day, which was cannabis.

Opiates are not said to lead to insanity or violence in and of themselves; really the only reasonable arguments for their prohibition that have been brought forth are the tremendous expense of heroin or painkiller pill habitual use. These are valid concerns in and of themselves; black market heroin is notoriously expensive to purchase and risky to use due to adulterants, and pill dealers typically charge a significant markup, over and above the markup of the company that produced the pill.

Realistically however, all prohibitionist arguments directed at the cost of a habit are null and void for a very simple reason; without the draconian laws choking off the production of opioids, the cost of a heroin habit, even a very heavy one, would be utterly insignificant compared with current standards.

Heroin happens to be one of the cheapest substances in the entire world to produce, and it is even cheaper than morphine and opium extracts due to the comparative ease of extracting acetates of morphine from opium tar. Indeed, heroin isn’t even the strongest opioid produced in the acetylation of opium; 6-monoacetylmorphine is reckoned to be more potent and bioavailable, and some users of black market heroin actually prefer the hideous mexican product known as black tar heroin, almost certainly due to the increased presence of 6-MAM compared to “regular” diacetylmorphine.

Without any of the advances inherent in North American agricultural production, - vastly increased scale of manpower, machinery, processing facilities, and chemical fertilizers, herbicides, and pesticides - farmers and chemists in Afghanistan are capable of producing a kilogram of purified diacetylmorphine for... (drum roll...) nine-hundred American dollars. A kilogram.

This heroin will be sold on the street for at least $100,000. This means that because of prohibition, habitual opiate use is at least 100 times more expensive than it needs to be. A markup of 10,000%. Imagine paying $500 for a gallon of milk, or better yet, $5000 for a tank of gasoline.

And let’s be honest with ourselves; making gasoline illegal, indeed even turning the entire DEA military squads against the industry in a hostile liquidation, would not only produce a reptilian-style evil grin of revenge on the author’s face, but be a far more responsible use of the government than chasing sickly heroin addicts.

Think about it for just one second: what percentage of existential level threats facing humanity are due entirely to the use of petroleum? How many species of plants and animals, many of which could have yielded secrets to better mankind, have been wiped off the face of the planet by the use of oil? The scale and volume of pollution produced by burned petrol products, let alone the vast volume of toxic, biologically nearly invincible, useless, and hideous plastic trash that is produced, penetrates to the farthest reaches of the food chain and ecosystem.

Even human babies, indeed especially human babies, cannot escape being poisoned, even if only on a hormonal or genetic level. No big deal, right? After all, we may have the antidote, the plant that could swoop in and save us all from the vulture talons of petroleum... getting it off schedule 1 might take some work though.

Of course, one cannot mention opioids and not also mention the practice of co-administering opioids with a more chemically-stable derivative of naloxone, called naltrexone. The dose of naltrexone is kept very small, indeed so small - that while naltrexone is sometimes (cruelly) prescribed as an anti-addictive to alcoholics and psychostimulant dependent individuals, in addition to opioid addicts, and is thus available in pill form - that the dose cannot be accurately measured by end-users, unless using a liquid solution for dosing.

In any case, when supplied at trace levels alongside triple-opioid agonists, the analgesic potency rises, and the development of tolerance is not observed down to a cellular level. Your eyes do not deceive you, dear reader: it has been known for some time that opioid dependence is an avoidable phenomenon.

There are more routes to zero-tolerance on the horizon, yet despite the well-publicized “growing” “problem” of prescription drug “abuse” (the word combination barely stays visible on the screen it is such a product of deception), the methods receive little attention from researchers. Luckily, on the sidelines, we are well aware that the only serious objection to liberal opioid use, the black magic of “addiction”, is now a non-issue. The dragon is decidedly slain, yet the beast somehow remains...

It should be noted that this essay is intended to apply mostly to those who are chronically dependent, or a chronic “chipper”; the latter referring to the majority of “recreational” opioid users who are not physiologically dependent on opioids, but who do partake regularly of them, typically at a frequency of around 1-2 doses per week. Addicts are in the minority despite the public opinion that heroin and other opioids are “highly addictive”.

Most people who use opioids, even outside of doctor’s prescriptions, do not become addicted. It is probable that as little as a third of the population is vulnerable to physiological addiction to opioids; when true addiction - that is, a strong psychological pull to obtain and use heroin and other opioids - is taken into consideration, it is likely that the percentage shrinks to around 10%. That is to say, any person that tries heroin, dilaudid, morphine, etc., even with an accelerated route of administration (insufflation, smoking, IV/IM injection, rectal), is unlikely to become addicted, and as many as half the people that intentionally use heroin will actually dislike it, displaying only side-effects of a high dose such as severe itching, nausea, and profound sedation.

Indeed, for opioid addiction to develop a very specific set of genetic/psychological markers must be present, and it would appear that “addicts” are actually driven to addiction as a starving animal is to food. The opioid addict is essentially attempting to “replace” certain aspects of neurotransmission that non-addicts tend to take for granted, and thus opioid addiction/dependence seems like a mindless vice in the eyes of a non-addict.

Additionally, it should be noted that in several areas outside the US, such as several European Union nations and Great Britain, heroin (referred to as diamorphine typically) is legal for medical use alongside other strong opioids, and is prescribed to addicts for free. Reminiscent of how methadone clinics are run in North America, addicts will register and be urine tested for the presence of opioids in order to confirm addiction. Then, up to several times per day, the addicts are given a measured dose of medical-grade heroin (or more rarely hydromorphone or oxymorphone) and a clean hypodermic syringe; they will then inject the drug under medical supervision, and be on their way.

It is rare in this situation for the individuals to be either jobless or homeless: this system of prescribed heroin to addicts is highly successful, more so than North American methadone clinics, and the societal well-being of the addict does not fall under attack. Users will often inject heroin then be off on their way to work; contrary to certain popular beliefs, a heroin addict typically is not incapacitated to any degree by his or her daily usage.

Indeed, in scientific tests of various aspects of alertness, awareness and cognition, morphine and heroin do not impair users at all, even if they are non-tolerant or naive to opioids. Alcohol, benzodiazepines, antidepressants and even cannabis are all considered to be a greater impairment to normal functioning. To seasoned addicts, opioids often function as a “smart drug”, actually causing a sharp increase in awareness and thinking capability, as well as significant bursts of energy.

“Narcotic”... yeah right.

...also...

1) "What's happening is that 8% of the world's people use 35% of the world's petroleum, and are ready to blow everybody off the map to keep it that way. This is nothing more than a manifestation of junkie psychology on a mass scale. We're addicted, they got it, we're happy to pay for it, but if they won't sell it we'll break into their house and take it, because by god it will go into our right arm. That's the plan."

2) "We're playing with half a deck as long as we tolerate that the cardinals of government and science should dictate where human curiousity can legitimately send its attention and where it can not. It's an essentially preposterous situation. It is essentially a civil rights issue, because what we're talking about here is the repression of a religious sensibility. In fact, not a religious sensibility, THE religious sensibility. Not built on some con game spun out by eunichs, but based on the symbiotic relationship that was in place for our species for fifty thousand years before the advent of history, writing, priestcraft and propaganda. So it's a clarion call to recover a birthright."

TERENCE McKENNA
1946-2000


One final note: the poppy does not represent DEATH.

It represents LOVE.

All love is deadly in its own twisted ways. Poppy’s life cycle ends as a great big ball of seeds (that are nutritious for us to eat, and do not contain morphine or codeine), that if SLICED delicately, will bleed a concentrated blood: a white latex which if dried, flamed and inhaled, infuses the user with the distilled motherly bliss of GAIA... of all the plants of the world, only Papaver somniferum forever bears Her crown, from bloom, to tired husk....

She did warn us, after all. What could be more perilous than a beautiful woman in a bright red dress... ;)

And only love can truly stop the madness. Of GAIA’s bloodlines, only the opiate will soothe the left channel kundalini, and seduce the right channel into slumber.

For the love of heaven, why would they work so hard to keep this sacred medicine away from us? To render it a demon in the public eye?

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lol. you sound like a junkie looking for a way to rationalize his use.

go to the streets and read this little essay to all the people who fuck, cheat, and steal so they can get their next fix of heroin you stupid dip shit.
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Yup, drug topics do tend to be a call to arms for ceiling fans.
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Why heroin?

Can Man not learn to release these same sensations in oneSelf through meditative practice?


It seems, physically addictive substances such as heroin, cause an unhealthy usage rate. To the point of practicing immoral behavior to obtain said..rush.

Which would be the inherent problem.

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Well absolutely.

But not everyone has the ability, or the time. Nor will they listen if you attempt to explain it.

The other thing... if people could by it like Tylenol... would anyone be doing "immoral" things to get it?

Especially if we assume that they were made poor due to the drug expense in the first place?

Remember heroin ought to be cheaper than flour.

Yet it is the only opioid in the USA that is in Sch. 1!

lol. you sound like a junkie looking for a way to rationalize his use.

go to the streets and read this little essay to all the people who fuck, cheat, and steal so they can get their next fix of heroin you stupid dip shit.
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Yah that's sort of the thought that the post brutally undermines. Keep trying ceiling fans.
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Yup, drug topics do tend to be a call to arms for ceiling fans.
 Quoting: pi


Why heroin?

Can Man not learn to release these same sensations in oneSelf through meditative practice?


It seems, physically addictive substances such as heroin, cause an unhealthy usage rate. To the point of practicing immoral behavior to obtain said..rush.

Which would be the inherent problem.

hmm
 Quoting: Seer777


Well absolutely.

But not everyone has the ability, or the time. Nor will they listen if you attempt to explain it.

The other thing... if people could by it like Tylenol... would anyone be doing "immoral" things to get it?

Especially if we assume that they were made poor due to the drug expense in the first place?

Remember heroin ought to be cheaper than flour.

Yet it is the only opioid in the USA that is in Sch. 1!

lol. you sound like a junkie looking for a way to rationalize his use.

go to the streets and read this little essay to all the people who fuck, cheat, and steal so they can get their next fix of heroin you stupid dip shit.
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Yah that's sort of the thought that the post brutally undermines. Keep trying ceiling fans.
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I don't see how you can ignore the statistics. Countless are dead and dying as a result of heroin.

You're a junkie. Go seek help before you lose your light to it. You're high right now aren't you?
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to continue with the fast food metaphor... make your own food. heroin is a material thing and there is death inherently linked with it. how selfish, to even worry about or consider the implications of drug use or legalization of it when there are actual issues such as the well being of our planet. junkies are selfish monstrosities.
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to continue with the fast food metaphor... make your own food. heroin is a material thing and there is death inherently linked with it. how selfish, to even worry about or consider the implications of drug use or legalization of it when there are actual issues such as the well being of our planet. junkies are selfish monstrosities.
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Well absolutely.

But not everyone has the ability, or the time. Nor will they listen if you attempt to explain it.

The other thing... if people could by it like Tylenol... would anyone be doing "immoral" things to get it?

Especially if we assume that they were made poor due to the drug expense in the first place?

Remember heroin ought to be cheaper than flour.

Yet it is the only opioid in the USA that is in Sch. 1!


 Quoting: pi


The 'ability' is the point.


Without discipline of oneSelf to resist temptation, it is hedonism. Self pleasure.

And if the pleasure is good enough, no need to ever leave it.


One will let themselves starve to death, or sacrifice ALL attachment to life to serve that Self pleasure.

It seems MOST unfortunately, are not capable of resisting the Temptation...Chasing the dragon becoming all consuming.



To create a world of drug addicts reminds me of A Brave New World.

They called it 'Soma'.

I believe we have one of an identical name.


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Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body...
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