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It Is Time To Legalize Heroin

 
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I don't see how you can ignore the statistics. Countless are dead and dying as a result of heroin.

You're a junkie. Go seek help before you lose your light to it. You're high right now aren't you?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18475264


If you actually cared to read the thread you'll see that I've never actually tried heroin. And what would it matter if I were high? You still can't seem to level a decent argument. Really it would be embarrassing to YOU, not me, if were high right now, don'tcha think?

Have you looked at the "statistics" for alcohol, by the way?

Alcohol:
o 140 million Americans use alcohol

o 18 million of these abuse alcohol or are alcoholics.

o 100,000 deaths are due to alcohol, and an additional
100,000 deaths are alcohol related.
Cocaine:

o 12.2 million Americans used cocaine at least once in 1985.

o 250,000 used it weekly.

o In 1986, there were almost 1000 cocaine-induced deaths.


Now let's recalculate.

Deaths per user:
Alcohol = 100,000/140,000,000 = .07 % or 70 per 100,000
Cocaine = 1,000/ 12,200,000 = .008 % or 8 per 100,000

Deaths per abuser:
Alcohol = 100,000/18,000,000 = .56 % or 56 per 10,000
Cocaine = 1,000/ 250,000 = .40 % or 40 per 10,000


So even considering abusers, with advantage to alcohol (probably
should be over 1%), cocaine is still healthier.


By the way, you reported earlier the number 6000 for
illegal drug deaths. But:

o National Council on Alcoholism estimated that in 1985
all illegal drugs combined killed 3562 Americans


[link to www.erowid.org]

Eat it, ceiling fan.

to continue with the fast food metaphor... make your own food. heroin is a material thing and there is death inherently linked with it. how selfish, to even worry about or consider the implications of drug use or legalization of it when there are actual issues such as the well being of our planet. junkies are selfish monstrosities.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24470710


...?

They can't grow their own poppies?

Currently, men with guns will come and get you if you try.
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I don't see how you can ignore the statistics. Countless are dead and dying as a result of heroin.

You're a junkie. Go seek help before you lose your light to it. You're high right now aren't you?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18475264


If you actually cared to read the thread you'll see that I've never actually tried heroin. And what would it matter if I were high? You still can't seem to level a decent argument. Really it would be embarrassing to YOU, not me, if were high right now, don'tcha think?

Have you looked at the "statistics" for alcohol, by the way?

Alcohol:
o 140 million Americans use alcohol

o 18 million of these abuse alcohol or are alcoholics.

o 100,000 deaths are due to alcohol, and an additional
100,000 deaths are alcohol related.
Cocaine:

o 12.2 million Americans used cocaine at least once in 1985.

o 250,000 used it weekly.

o In 1986, there were almost 1000 cocaine-induced deaths.


Now let's recalculate.

Deaths per user:
Alcohol = 100,000/140,000,000 = .07 % or 70 per 100,000
Cocaine = 1,000/ 12,200,000 = .008 % or 8 per 100,000

Deaths per abuser:
Alcohol = 100,000/18,000,000 = .56 % or 56 per 10,000
Cocaine = 1,000/ 250,000 = .40 % or 40 per 10,000


So even considering abusers, with advantage to alcohol (probably
should be over 1%), cocaine is still healthier.


By the way, you reported earlier the number 6000 for
illegal drug deaths. But:

o National Council on Alcoholism estimated that in 1985
all illegal drugs combined killed 3562 Americans


[link to www.erowid.org]

Eat it, ceiling fan.

to continue with the fast food metaphor... make your own food. heroin is a material thing and there is death inherently linked with it. how selfish, to even worry about or consider the implications of drug use or legalization of it when there are actual issues such as the well being of our planet. junkies are selfish monstrosities.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24470710


...?

They can't grow their own poppies?

Currently, men with guns will come and get you if you try.
 Quoting: pi



Why are you discussing alcohol? This post is about Heroin.

Alcohol is very damaging to the body and society as a whole, that doesn't make HEROIN any less damaging.

Have you any idea how many people have died due to the trade of heroin? How many are dying on the streets right now? how many people's bodies are deteriorating from the abuse of this narcotic?

You're delusional.

First of all, heroin !=Poppy. Heroin is the lab processed concentrate from the poppy, it is NOT a safe or natural way to ingest the drug.

If you were to argue for the legalization of the poppy, and people harvested their own opium to smoke.. I would not have an issue with that... but HEROIN, the powder form is a drug which has created nothing but death and disease, and decay. You are lying to yourself. You are a fucking stupid junkie and you annoy me.
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Well absolutely.

But not everyone has the ability, or the time. Nor will they listen if you attempt to explain it.

The other thing... if people could by it like Tylenol... would anyone be doing "immoral" things to get it?

Especially if we assume that they were made poor due to the drug expense in the first place?

Remember heroin ought to be cheaper than flour.

Yet it is the only opioid in the USA that is in Sch. 1!


 Quoting: pi


The 'ability' is the point.


Without discipline of oneSelf to resist temptation, it is hedonism. Self pleasure.

And if the pleasure is good enough, no need to ever leave it.


One will let themselves starve to death, or sacrifice ALL attachment to life to serve that Self pleasure.

It seems MOST unfortunately, are not capable of resisting the Temptation...Chasing the dragon becoming all consuming.



To create a world of drug addicts reminds me of A Brave New World.

They called it 'Soma'.

I believe we have one of an identical name.


hmm
 Quoting: Seer777


That's very interesting Seer. I've thought a lot about the concept of Soma. However, I don't think Soma is intended to be what made them the way they are.

However. The important thing is...

No animal will ever choose drugs over food. Even in the deepest throes of dependence.

They lied to you dear... ;) Google "Rat Park". Of course they'll dose themselves to death when they've literally nothing to do but sit in a glass tank all day!

When one is drenched in a sea of black tar, all the time...

Wouldn't escaping become the only true goal after a while?

Everything gets boring, after all..

And narcotic bliss happens to be one of the most boring things on the planet... I mean really? What fun is there to be had?

If, on the other hand, madness is consuming them...

Then perhaps a little no-contest motherly love will carry them through.

And maybe, when they are drenched in tar...

Seeing a flash of light, becomes all the more meaningful...

That's my story anyhow... ;)
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Why are you discussing alcohol? This post is about Heroin.

Alcohol is very damaging to the body and society as a whole, that doesn't make HEROIN any less damaging.

Have you any idea how many people have died due to the trade of heroin? How many are dying on the streets right now? how many people's bodies are deteriorating from the abuse of this narcotic?

You're delusional.

First of all, heroin !=Poppy. Heroin is the lab processed concentrate from the poppy, it is NOT a safe or natural way to ingest the drug.

If you were to argue for the legalization of the poppy, and people harvested their own opium to smoke.. I would not have an issue with that... but HEROIN, the powder form is a drug which has created nothing but death and disease, and decay. You are lying to yourself. You are a fucking stupid junkie and you annoy me.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18475264


....SIGH....

READ THE POST...

I am not a junkie by the way... I'm clean... so FUCK YOU and the horse you rode in on.
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I just relapsed on Heroin a week ago after being clean for 4 months. Should it be legalized? Fuck yes so i know what im getting and so im not paying 40$ per point.
"What you perceive to be becomes your reality."

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Why are you discussing alcohol? This post is about Heroin.

Alcohol is very damaging to the body and society as a whole, that doesn't make HEROIN any less damaging.

Have you any idea how many people have died due to the trade of heroin? How many are dying on the streets right now? how many people's bodies are deteriorating from the abuse of this narcotic?

You're delusional.

First of all, heroin !=Poppy. Heroin is the lab processed concentrate from the poppy, it is NOT a safe or natural way to ingest the drug.

If you were to argue for the legalization of the poppy, and people harvested their own opium to smoke.. I would not have an issue with that... but HEROIN, the powder form is a drug which has created nothing but death and disease, and decay. You are lying to yourself. You are a fucking stupid junkie and you annoy me.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18475264


....SIGH....

READ THE POST...

I am not a junkie by the way... I'm clean... so FUCK YOU and the horse you rode in on.
 Quoting: pi


lol. IF you never tried heroin, how can you advocate its use?

You're a delusional junkie and you need to stop abusing your body. I did read your post. I already told you what I think. It sounds like you're trying to rationalize your abuse. You're high and you wanna share "the love" because the drug has altered your psychology, so you naturally want to advocate the very same thing which brought you such a miraculous sensation.

You're a moron. Plain and simple. When you sober up. You'll feel like shit, and get right back on that junkie horse, until there is nothing left in your bank, or your life that is worth anything, and you'll start sucking dick to get your next fix.

Good luck with that you dumb fuck.
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When one is drenched in a sea of black tar, all the time...

Wouldn't escaping become the only true goal after a while?

Everything gets boring, after all..

And narcotic bliss happens to be one of the most boring things on the planet... I mean really? What fun is there to be had?

If, on the other hand, madness is consuming them...

Then perhaps a little no-contest motherly love will carry them through.

And maybe, when they are drenched in tar...

Seeing a flash of light, becomes all the more meaningful...

That's my story anyhow... ;)
 Quoting: pi


That is beautiful.

You talent with words continues to impress me.

I have never done heroin...also morphine derivatives of pharmaceutical grade, do not 'work' on me. My brother or mother neither.

Strange but true.

:)




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Salvia Divinorum. Enough said.
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lol. IF you never tried heroin, how can you advocate its use?

You're a delusional junkie and you need to stop abusing your body. I did read your post. I already told you what I think. It sounds like you're trying to rationalize your abuse. You're high and you wanna share "the love" because the drug has altered your psychology, so you naturally want to advocate the very same thing which brought you such a miraculous sensation.

You're a moron. Plain and simple. When you sober up. You'll feel like shit, and get right back on that junkie horse, until there is nothing left in your bank, or your life that is worth anything, and you'll start sucking dick to get your next fix.

Good luck with that you dumb fuck.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18475264


I've been addicted to oxycodone and hydromorphone.

I do not advocate the use of heroin by non-addicts.

I do advocate the re-evaluation of opioid indications.

If I'm so delusional, why can't you do anything but ad hominem attacks?

Seriously, dude, have a little respect... not just for me.
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Why are you discussing alcohol? This post is about Heroin.

Alcohol is very damaging to the body and society as a whole, that doesn't make HEROIN any less damaging.

Have you any idea how many people have died due to the trade of heroin? How many are dying on the streets right now? how many people's bodies are deteriorating from the abuse of this narcotic?

You're delusional.

First of all, heroin !=Poppy. Heroin is the lab processed concentrate from the poppy, it is NOT a safe or natural way to ingest the drug.

If you were to argue for the legalization of the poppy, and people harvested their own opium to smoke.. I would not have an issue with that... but HEROIN, the powder form is a drug which has created nothing but death and disease, and decay. You are lying to yourself. You are a fucking stupid junkie and you annoy me.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18475264


The reason Heroin is so deadly and lethal is because it is regulated. Im a heroin addict and have OD many times due to getting heroin with cuts of fentanyl.

Heroin in itself is not very harmful. Its the lifestyle and stigma attached to heroin which bring people down. Look at places where it's legalized and the statistic are great.

You have the same mentality as a libtard trying to outlaw guns.

Last Edited by Dapurps on 12/29/2012 03:03 AM
"What you perceive to be becomes your reality."

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12 '0's' FTW...


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Salvia Divinorum. Enough said.
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Interesting.

Salvia is also an opioid, though an atypical one.

It only hits the kappa or "pain" receptors. It is in fact the most specific drug on the planet, and the most potent natural psychoactive BY FAR. Only LSD is a more potent hallucinogen!

It might be useful for treating addiction to opiates, however, Ibogaine seems to hold more promise, as well as good ol fashioned DMT and ayahuasca.
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Heroin was the brand name for morphine when marketed and sold by Bayer. stoned
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lol. IF you never tried heroin, how can you advocate its use?

You're a delusional junkie and you need to stop abusing your body. I did read your post. I already told you what I think. It sounds like you're trying to rationalize your abuse. You're high and you wanna share "the love" because the drug has altered your psychology, so you naturally want to advocate the very same thing which brought you such a miraculous sensation.

You're a moron. Plain and simple. When you sober up. You'll feel like shit, and get right back on that junkie horse, until there is nothing left in your bank, or your life that is worth anything, and you'll start sucking dick to get your next fix.

Good luck with that you dumb fuck.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18475264


I've been addicted to oxycodone and hydromorphone.

I do not advocate the use of heroin by non-addicts.

I do advocate the re-evaluation of opioid indications.

If I'm so delusional, why can't you do anything but ad hominem attacks?

Seriously, dude, have a little respect... not just for me.
 Quoting: pi


How can I possibly show you any respect when you are choosing to ignore the countless lives that have been lost due to this drug.

You sound like an idiot, sorry, but that's how you present yourself. If you want respect, start acting like a grown up.

lol @ I do not advocate the use or heroin by non-addicts.

As if being an addict is A-OK in your junkie world.

Honestly, what the fuck is wrong with your brain?
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Heroin was the brand name for morphine when marketed and sold by Bayer. stoned
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Heroin has a single difference in chemical structure then Morphine that allows it to pass thru the blood barrier faster.
"What you perceive to be becomes your reality."

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Why are you discussing alcohol? This post is about Heroin.

Alcohol is very damaging to the body and society as a whole, that doesn't make HEROIN any less damaging.

Have you any idea how many people have died due to the trade of heroin? How many are dying on the streets right now? how many people's bodies are deteriorating from the abuse of this narcotic?

You're delusional.

First of all, heroin !=Poppy. Heroin is the lab processed concentrate from the poppy, it is NOT a safe or natural way to ingest the drug.

If you were to argue for the legalization of the poppy, and people harvested their own opium to smoke.. I would not have an issue with that... but HEROIN, the powder form is a drug which has created nothing but death and disease, and decay. You are lying to yourself. You are a fucking stupid junkie and you annoy me.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18475264


The reason Heroin is so deadly and lethal is because it is regulated. Im a heroin addict and have OD many times due to getting heroin with cuts of fentanyl.

Heroin in itself is not very harmful. Its the lifestyle and stigma attached to heroin which bring people down. Look at places where it's legalized and the statistic are great.

You have the same mentality as a libtard trying to outlaw guns.
 Quoting: Dapurps


The problem with you junkies is that you can't look past your own high.

Nevermind how great you think heroin makes you feel or how little harm you think it creates in places where it is legal... what about the places where it is grown? where land is being used for smack instead of for crops?

Oh sure, since you can get high.. fuck a family somewhere else that can't eat.. cause your lazy fat ass has to feel good right?

You and your junkie friends feed a blood bath that you continue to ignore. The drug trade costs lives, many many lives. People can't eat so you can get high. People die so you can get high, but who gives a fuck right?
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I have never done heroin...also morphine derivatives of pharmaceutical grade, do not 'work' on me. My brother or mother neither.

Strange but true.

:)
 Quoting: Seer777


Interesting... my mom is allergic to morphine.

How do you mean, they "don't work"?

I mean, for example, opiates have two pretty predictable effects on me...

1) Stimulation and sleeplessness. I would stay awake for DAYS using dilaudid.
2) Re-regulation of bowel movements...

Many heroin addicts display these sorts of "paradoxical" symptoms, yet I have not yet seen it explained in medical literature.

To be honest, I don't wonder why... ;)
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I just relapsed on Heroin a week ago after being clean for 4 months. Should it be legalized? Fuck yes so i know what im getting and so im not paying 40$ per point.
 Quoting: Dapurps


This is sad but don/t give up,
a so called "Relapse" is nothing to worry,
it is just a Symptom of Addiction!

I thought so when i read your Reply in the other Addiction-Thread,
stop to read something like this.

You must clean up your Mind and this need years,
also do not stay alone, Isolation is the first Step
back to a 100% addictive Behaviour!
---------------

I am against a "Legalisation" of Heroin, Cocaine, Meth, etc.
but i am for a Decriminalization and a PhD need to have
the legal right and the ability to prescribe this Drugs like
we can see it in Europe!

Heroin is not the Devil but it is also not a harmless Drug
because of the Way how a Patient use it, the IV Route always create Problems, Diseases and Death!
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lol. IF you never tried heroin, how can you advocate its use?

You're a delusional junkie and you need to stop abusing your body. I did read your post. I already told you what I think. It sounds like you're trying to rationalize your abuse. You're high and you wanna share "the love" because the drug has altered your psychology, so you naturally want to advocate the very same thing which brought you such a miraculous sensation.

You're a moron. Plain and simple. When you sober up. You'll feel like shit, and get right back on that junkie horse, until there is nothing left in your bank, or your life that is worth anything, and you'll start sucking dick to get your next fix.

Good luck with that you dumb fuck.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18475264


I've been addicted to oxycodone and hydromorphone.

I do not advocate the use of heroin by non-addicts.

I do advocate the re-evaluation of opioid indications.

If I'm so delusional, why can't you do anything but ad hominem attacks?

Seriously, dude, have a little respect... not just for me.
 Quoting: pi


How can I possibly show you any respect when you are choosing to ignore the countless lives that have been lost due to this drug.

You sound like an idiot, sorry, but that's how you present yourself. If you want respect, start acting like a grown up.

lol @ I do not advocate the use or heroin by non-addicts.

As if being an addict is A-OK in your junkie world.

Honestly, what the fuck is wrong with your brain?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18475264


Let's ban alcohol then, it's way worse than heroin.

Why not?

OHHH WAIT.... tried that one already...
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lol. IF you never tried heroin, how can you advocate its use?

You're a delusional junkie and you need to stop abusing your body. I did read your post. I already told you what I think. It sounds like you're trying to rationalize your abuse. You're high and you wanna share "the love" because the drug has altered your psychology, so you naturally want to advocate the very same thing which brought you such a miraculous sensation.

You're a moron. Plain and simple. When you sober up. You'll feel like shit, and get right back on that junkie horse, until there is nothing left in your bank, or your life that is worth anything, and you'll start sucking dick to get your next fix.

Good luck with that you dumb fuck.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18475264


I've been addicted to oxycodone and hydromorphone.

I do not advocate the use of heroin by non-addicts.

I do advocate the re-evaluation of opioid indications.

If I'm so delusional, why can't you do anything but ad hominem attacks?

Seriously, dude, have a little respect... not just for me.
 Quoting: pi


How can I possibly show you any respect when you are choosing to ignore the countless lives that have been lost due to this drug.

You sound like an idiot, sorry, but that's how you present yourself. If you want respect, start acting like a grown up.

lol @ I do not advocate the use or heroin by non-addicts.

As if being an addict is A-OK in your junkie world.

Honestly, what the fuck is wrong with your brain?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18475264


Let's ban alcohol then, it's way worse than heroin.

Why not?

OHHH WAIT.... tried that one already...
 Quoting: pi


You can't even stay on topic. You refuse to face the facts because it destroys your junkie world. Naturally, you feel the need to point the finger somewhere else so that you can continue supporting the blood bath that makes you feel so great.

Stupid fucking junkie.
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Why are you discussing alcohol? This post is about Heroin.

Alcohol is very damaging to the body and society as a whole, that doesn't make HEROIN any less damaging.

Have you any idea how many people have died due to the trade of heroin? How many are dying on the streets right now? how many people's bodies are deteriorating from the abuse of this narcotic?

You're delusional.

First of all, heroin !=Poppy. Heroin is the lab processed concentrate from the poppy, it is NOT a safe or natural way to ingest the drug.

If you were to argue for the legalization of the poppy, and people harvested their own opium to smoke.. I would not have an issue with that... but HEROIN, the powder form is a drug which has created nothing but death and disease, and decay. You are lying to yourself. You are a fucking stupid junkie and you annoy me.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18475264


The reason Heroin is so deadly and lethal is because it is regulated. Im a heroin addict and have OD many times due to getting heroin with cuts of fentanyl.

Heroin in itself is not very harmful. Its the lifestyle and stigma attached to heroin which bring people down. Look at places where it's legalized and the statistic are great.

You have the same mentality as a libtard trying to outlaw guns.
 Quoting: Dapurps


The problem with you junkies is that you can't look past your own high.

Nevermind how great you think heroin makes you feel or how little harm you think it creates in places where it is legal... what about the places where it is grown? where land is being used for smack instead of for crops?

Oh sure, since you can get high.. fuck a family somewhere else that can't eat.. cause your lazy fat ass has to feel good right?

You and your junkie friends feed a blood bath that you continue to ignore. The drug trade costs lives, many many lives. People can't eat so you can get high. People die so you can get high, but who gives a fuck right?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18475264


Can you please shut the fuck up. Im very open on this forum about my addiction and the selfishness of it. I've shared my story of how broken i am because of my addiction and can guarantee i know more about addiction then you ever will.

With that said its people like you that drive some addicts even deeper. We all have something in our lives that isn't right. But for us who struggle with addiction to be treated like scums is just wrong. The stigma is what kills addicts.

Look at where its legal and you see that people are able to take a set amount thru out the day and carry on with their lives.

You know nothing.

Last Edited by Dapurps on 12/29/2012 03:12 AM
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I just relapsed on Heroin a week ago after being clean for 4 months. Should it be legalized? Fuck yes so i know what im getting and so im not paying 40$ per point.
 Quoting: Dapurps


This is sad but don/t give up,
a so called "Relapse" is nothing to worry,
it is just a Symptom of Addiction!

I thought so when i read your Reply in the other Addiction-Thread,
stop to read something like this.

You must clean up your Mind and this need years,
also do not stay alone, Isolation is the first Step
back to a 100% addictive Behaviour!
---------------

I am against a "Legalisation" of Heroin, Cocaine, Meth, etc.
but i am for a Decriminalization and a PhD need to have
the legal right and the ability to prescribe this Drugs like
we can see it in Europe!

Heroin is not the Devil but it is also not a harmless Drug
because of the Way how a Patient use it, the IV Route always create Problems, Diseases and Death!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30887249


I could support this, if the "opiophobia" was lifted first.

But definitely agree, anyone who TRULY wants off heroin, or any drug for that matter, WILL get off eventually.
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I have never done heroin...also morphine derivatives of pharmaceutical grade, do not 'work' on me. My brother or mother neither.

Strange but true.

:)
 Quoting: Seer777


Interesting... my mom is allergic to morphine.

How do you mean, they "don't work"?

I mean, for example, opiates have two pretty predictable effects on me...

1) Stimulation and sleeplessness. I would stay awake for DAYS using dilaudid.
2) Re-regulation of bowel movements...

Many heroin addicts display these sorts of "paradoxical" symptoms, yet I have not yet seen it explained in medical literature.

To be honest, I don't wonder why... ;)
 Quoting: pi


Ca. 7-10% of the White Population report this,
they cant metabolize it, they have no CYP2D6.
For the Black People this numbers are even higher!
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You can't even stay on topic. You refuse to face the facts because it destroys your junkie world. Naturally, you feel the need to point the finger somewhere else so that you can continue supporting the blood bath that makes you feel so great.

Stupid fucking junkie.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18475264


Want to call me a "junkie" a few more times?

Come on, give it a shot! Maybe it'll make you seem like you are more than a raisin-brained bigot!
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Why are you discussing alcohol? This post is about Heroin.

Alcohol is very damaging to the body and society as a whole, that doesn't make HEROIN any less damaging.

Have you any idea how many people have died due to the trade of heroin? How many are dying on the streets right now? how many people's bodies are deteriorating from the abuse of this narcotic?

You're delusional.

First of all, heroin !=Poppy. Heroin is the lab processed concentrate from the poppy, it is NOT a safe or natural way to ingest the drug.

If you were to argue for the legalization of the poppy, and people harvested their own opium to smoke.. I would not have an issue with that... but HEROIN, the powder form is a drug which has created nothing but death and disease, and decay. You are lying to yourself. You are a fucking stupid junkie and you annoy me.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18475264


The reason Heroin is so deadly and lethal is because it is regulated. Im a heroin addict and have OD many times due to getting heroin with cuts of fentanyl.

Heroin in itself is not very harmful. Its the lifestyle and stigma attached to heroin which bring people down. Look at places where it's legalized and the statistic are great.

You have the same mentality as a libtard trying to outlaw guns.
 Quoting: Dapurps


The problem with you junkies is that you can't look past your own high.

Nevermind how great you think heroin makes you feel or how little harm you think it creates in places where it is legal... what about the places where it is grown? where land is being used for smack instead of for crops?

Oh sure, since you can get high.. fuck a family somewhere else that can't eat.. cause your lazy fat ass has to feel good right?

You and your junkie friends feed a blood bath that you continue to ignore. The drug trade costs lives, many many lives. People can't eat so you can get high. People die so you can get high, but who gives a fuck right?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18475264


Can you please shut the fuck up. Im very open on this forum about my addiction and the selfishness of it. I've shared my story of how broken i am because of my addiction and can guarantee i know more about addiction then you ever will.

With that said its people like you that drive some addicts even deeper. We all have something in our lives that isn't right. But for us who struggle with addiction to be treated like scums is just wrong. The stigma is what kills addicts.

Look at where its legal and you see that people are able to take a set amount thru out the day and carry on with their lives.

You know nothing.
 Quoting: Dapurps


Oh boo hoo. You're an addict. Boo hoo.

You made your bed, now sleep in it.

Secondly.

You still refuse to ignore THE PLACES SMACK IS MADE/GROWN FOR YOU.

That is where most of the death occurs.

Who cares if its fucking legal in Timbuktu and everyone feels great... the number of lives that it took for smack to get to Timbuktu is the problem. The number of people dying from starvation, under the regime of insane maniacal fucks who grow and sell it to countries where it is legal.

Stop ignoring the facts.

Finally, fuck your addiction asshole.

Stop feeling sorry for yourself. Get a grip. You live in the west, you have all the privilege in the world, you can sit on your fat ass and type on the internet, and you wanna cry about your addiction?

You pathetic little turd. Cry for the people that died so you can get your smack you fucking moron.
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Salvia Divinorum. Enough said.
 Quoting: 404error


Interesting.

Salvia is also an opioid, though an atypical one.

It only hits the kappa or "pain" receptors. It is in fact the most specific drug on the planet, and the most potent natural psychoactive BY FAR. Only LSD is a more potent hallucinogen!

It might be useful for treating addiction to opiates, however, Ibogaine seems to hold more promise, as well as good ol fashioned DMT and ayahuasca.
 Quoting: pi


Indeed.

Here in Australia, it is completely illegal, coming under the same classification as crystal meth. Sigh.

I'll never do synthetic or semi synthetic drugs, but anything that comes from our mother earth is always worth a try in my opinion~
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I have never done heroin...also morphine derivatives of pharmaceutical grade, do not 'work' on me. My brother or mother neither.

Strange but true.

:)
 Quoting: Seer777


Interesting... my mom is allergic to morphine.

How do you mean, they "don't work"?

I mean, for example, opiates have two pretty predictable effects on me...

1) Stimulation and sleeplessness. I would stay awake for DAYS using dilaudid.
2) Re-regulation of bowel movements...

Many heroin addicts display these sorts of "paradoxical" symptoms, yet I have not yet seen it explained in medical literature.

To be honest, I don't wonder why... ;)
 Quoting: pi


As in...no discernible effect.


Unless given too much, like in a type of medical situation where it becomes hard to 'come out of' requiring much more 'anti-drug' to pull out then per usual.

Does that make sense?


I have been given morphine, enough times to know it has no effect at regular or even high dosage.


Morphine allergy?

Perhaps.

I know my mother is listed as such.

hmm
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You can't even stay on topic. You refuse to face the facts because it destroys your junkie world. Naturally, you feel the need to point the finger somewhere else so that you can continue supporting the blood bath that makes you feel so great.

Stupid fucking junkie.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18475264


Want to call me a "junkie" a few more times?

Come on, give it a shot! Maybe it'll make you seem like you are more than a raisin-brained bigot!
 Quoting: pi


The day you recognize the countless lives that your addiction costs the world, is the day I'll treat you with some respect. You won't even acknowledge those people, that's how selfish and fucking stupid you are.
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Salvia Divinorum. Enough said.
 Quoting: 404error


Interesting.

Salvia is also an opioid, though an atypical one.

It only hits the kappa or "pain" receptors. It is in fact the most specific drug on the planet, and the most potent natural psychoactive BY FAR. Only LSD is a more potent hallucinogen!

It might be useful for treating addiction to opiates, however, Ibogaine seems to hold more promise, as well as good ol fashioned DMT and ayahuasca.
 Quoting: pi


Indeed.

Here in Australia, it is completely illegal, coming under the same classification as crystal meth. Sigh.

I'll never do synthetic or semi synthetic drugs, but anything that comes from our mother earth is always worth a try in my opinion~
 Quoting: 404error


lol!

Meth and Heroin do not come from other earth. They are made in a lab you idiot.
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The reason Heroin is so deadly and lethal is because it is regulated. Im a heroin addict and have OD many times due to getting heroin with cuts of fentanyl.

Heroin in itself is not very harmful. Its the lifestyle and stigma attached to heroin which bring people down. Look at places where it's legalized and the statistic are great.

You have the same mentality as a libtard trying to outlaw guns.
 Quoting: Dapurps


The problem with you junkies is that you can't look past your own high.

Nevermind how great you think heroin makes you feel or how little harm you think it creates in places where it is legal... what about the places where it is grown? where land is being used for smack instead of for crops?

Oh sure, since you can get high.. fuck a family somewhere else that can't eat.. cause your lazy fat ass has to feel good right?

You and your junkie friends feed a blood bath that you continue to ignore. The drug trade costs lives, many many lives. People can't eat so you can get high. People die so you can get high, but who gives a fuck right?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18475264


Can you please shut the fuck up. Im very open on this forum about my addiction and the selfishness of it. I've shared my story of how broken i am because of my addiction and can guarantee i know more about addiction then you ever will.

With that said its people like you that drive some addicts even deeper. We all have something in our lives that isn't right. But for us who struggle with addiction to be treated like scums is just wrong. The stigma is what kills addicts.

Look at where its legal and you see that people are able to take a set amount thru out the day and carry on with their lives.

You know nothing.
 Quoting: Dapurps


Oh boo hoo. You're an addict. Boo hoo.

You made your bed, now sleep in it.

Secondly.

You still refuse to ignore THE PLACES SMACK IS MADE/GROWN FOR YOU.

That is where most of the death occurs.

Who cares if its fucking legal in Timbuktu and everyone feels great... the number of lives that it took for smack to get to Timbuktu is the problem. The number of people dying from starvation, under the regime of insane maniacal fucks who grow and sell it to countries where it is legal.

Stop ignoring the facts.

Finally, fuck your addiction asshole.

Stop feeling sorry for yourself. Get a grip. You live in the west, you have all the privilege in the world, you can sit on your fat ass and type on the internet, and you wanna cry about your addiction?

You pathetic little turd. Cry for the people that died so you can get your smack you fucking moron.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18475264


Do you shop at walmart. Does it bother you that you shop at a store where people make barely enough to live.

Have you ever bought a diamond with it possibly being a blood diamond.

Im guessing you'll say no to both of those since your perfect.

And fuck my addiction? how can someone possibly say that without knowing the person. IMO i'd rather live on the streets a junkie then have a heart like yours.
"What you perceive to be becomes your reality."

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