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It Is Time To Legalize Heroin

 
Dapurps

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You missed my point.
 Quoting: Dapurps


You have none. You're interested in self deception. That is the crux of your point.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18475264


Instead of picking on your average addicts go stand against the pharma companies putting kids on Ritalin and meth and anti-depressants. Mister tough guy know it all.
 Quoting: Dapurps


I'm very much against big pharma. I think they are evil bastards. I think this entire western society is run by evil bastards. I do not support a shred of it.

It does not mean I support the destruction of my own body, and self deception.

Everything is a choice, and you choose to lie to yourself, and then rationalize your lies by shifting the blame to other things... at the end of the day.. its still just you.. trying to stay as fucked up as possible, and society has nothing to do with it. If it did.. everyone would be on heroin.. but people make better choices don't they?
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Well the pharma kills more people then the people that grow those poppies so stop being a narcissist. Focus on your life because that's all that matters. In the end even though im an addict i will be happier then you because you be-little people. Anyways its 4:30 am here so peace. Find someone else to belittle.
"What you perceive to be becomes your reality."

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I'm very much against big pharma. I think they are evil bastards. I think this entire western society is run by evil bastards. I do not support a shred of it.

It does not mean I support the destruction of my own body, and self deception.

Everything is a choice, and you choose to lie to yourself, and then rationalize your lies by shifting the blame to other things... at the end of the day.. its still just you.. trying to stay as fucked up as possible, and society has nothing to do with it. If it did.. everyone would be on heroin.. but people make better choices don't they?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18475264


Heroin is a victim of big pharma. Sch 1 mean anything to you?

And seriously? People are not all of one mould. BIGOT.
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Remember that there have been many historical opium addicts that have produced great works of art.

Look at modern music... I mean, really... ;)
 Quoting: pi


Absolutely.

The Muse is much stronger when one feels in Touch.

However..one must balance hedonism with service. To serve Self primarily is a bastardization of the Will of the Perfection.

Genius just IS.

One must learn to transmute the waters properly.




:)
 Quoting: Seer777


Hmmm....

What if someone has rage constantly building within them?

They want to create, yet rage clouds their vision...

Not disagreeing of course... the mind is always in control.
 Quoting: pi


Rage?

What is that?







































It's loneliness.




What IS the meaning of Life?

To Touch.

universe
Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body...
~Seneca
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You have none. You're interested in self deception. That is the crux of your point.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18475264


Instead of picking on your average addicts go stand against the pharma companies putting kids on Ritalin and meth and anti-depressants. Mister tough guy know it all.
 Quoting: Dapurps


I'm very much against big pharma. I think they are evil bastards. I think this entire western society is run by evil bastards. I do not support a shred of it.

It does not mean I support the destruction of my own body, and self deception.

Everything is a choice, and you choose to lie to yourself, and then rationalize your lies by shifting the blame to other things... at the end of the day.. its still just you.. trying to stay as fucked up as possible, and society has nothing to do with it. If it did.. everyone would be on heroin.. but people make better choices don't they?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18475264


Well the pharma kills more people then the people that grow those poppies so stop being a narcissist. Focus on your life because that's all that matters. In the end even though im an addict i will be happier then you because you be-little people. Anyways its 4:30 am here so peace. Find someone else to belittle.
 Quoting: Dapurps


Once again. You're shifting the blame/view elsewhere because you can't deal with your own self deception. You use the actions of evil bastards as an excuse to carry out evil against yourself.
pi

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Then chuck in someone who breathes the petroleum-laced air that we have in our cities and try it.

Neither opiates nor cannabis have ever been documented to damage the body in any way...

You did read the post right?

Cause so far you've went along and bitched about every part, without coming up with any info to go along with your abuse.
 Quoting: pi


You're delusional.

Heroin addicts need heroin in order to function, to simply get up and get going. Some of them will lie motionless until they shoot up so that they can get up.. and you still don't think it does any damage to the body?

elohel
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18475264


They need it to FUNCTION now and you'd still have them without it?

Tsk tsk tsk...
 Quoting: pi


Nice way to avoid the question. Like I said. You're delusional. If heroin did no damage to the body, you'd be able to do it for 20 years, and walk away without a scratch.. but CLEARLY, that is not the case..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18475264


IN MODERN MEDICINE,

Opiates are not considered damaging in any way.

DID. YOU. READ. THE. POST.

By the way you've avoided every single question I've asked you. Show a little respect.
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Instead of picking on your average addicts go stand against the pharma companies putting kids on Ritalin and meth and anti-depressants. Mister tough guy know it all.
 Quoting: Dapurps


I'm very much against big pharma. I think they are evil bastards. I think this entire western society is run by evil bastards. I do not support a shred of it.

It does not mean I support the destruction of my own body, and self deception.

Everything is a choice, and you choose to lie to yourself, and then rationalize your lies by shifting the blame to other things... at the end of the day.. its still just you.. trying to stay as fucked up as possible, and society has nothing to do with it. If it did.. everyone would be on heroin.. but people make better choices don't they?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18475264


Well the pharma kills more people then the people that grow those poppies so stop being a narcissist. Focus on your life because that's all that matters. In the end even though im an addict i will be happier then you because you be-little people. Anyways its 4:30 am here so peace. Find someone else to belittle.
 Quoting: Dapurps


Once again. You're shifting the blame/view elsewhere because you can't deal with your own self deception. You use the actions of evil bastards as an excuse to carry out evil against yourself.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18475264


Anyways. I'm out of here. I apologize for the name calling, but not for anything else I said. At the end of the day, I wish the "Addicts" in here well.. but for anyone who is of rational reasoning.. you can see how they avoid questions, and continue to ignore reality, and weave lies to excuse their choices. Nothing new under the sun.
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Hmmm....

What if someone has rage constantly building within them?

They want to create, yet rage clouds their vision...

Not disagreeing of course... the mind is always in control.
 Quoting: pi


Rage?

What is that?

It's loneliness.

What IS the meaning of Life?

To Touch.
 Quoting: Seer777


...

No one should ever have to feel like they are in a black pit of despair.

If someone has decided that opiates will be their saviour, so be it. Why can't society do any better? Why does anyone feel rage or loneliness?

It's not right. Never. Better an addict than a stat on a suicide report...
pi

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Anyways. I'm out of here. I apologize for the name calling, but not for anything else I said. At the end of the day, I wish the "Addicts" in here well.. but for anyone who is of rational reasoning.. you can see how they avoid questions, and continue to ignore reality, and weave lies to excuse their choices. Nothing new under the sun.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18475264


Yes it's just STUNNING how well you've shown that...

Be careful around mirrors.

If you make another abusive post I will report it. Enough is enough.
pi

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Seriously. Could anyone, for just one minute, consider what the consequences would be if my original post is true?

Looks like prohibition will be the hardest nut yet for the force of change.
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Remember that there have been many historical opium addicts that have produced great works of art.

Look at modern music... I mean, really... ;)
 Quoting: pi


Absolutely.

The Muse is much stronger when one feels in Touch.

However..one must balance hedonism with service. To serve Self primarily is a bastardization of the Will of the Perfection.

Genius just IS.

One must learn to transmute the waters properly.




:)
 Quoting: Seer777


Hmmm....

What if someone has rage constantly building within them?

They want to create, yet rage clouds their vision...

Not disagreeing of course... the mind is always in control.
 Quoting: pi


Rage?

What is that?







































It's loneliness.




What IS the meaning of Life?

To Touch.

universe
 Quoting: Seer777


Off topic, but is this bottom picture an image of the observable universe?

It makes me think that we are nothing but cell structures within a larger cell structure...
pi

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12/29/2012 04:37 AM
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universe
 Quoting: Seer777


Off topic, but is this bottom picture an image of the observable universe?

It makes me think that we are nothing but cell structures within a larger cell structure...
 Quoting: 404error


Hmm... now that's a tough one I think...

Both perhaps?

;)
pi

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Amphetamines are terrible for virtually every function of the body, of course it's not safe for kids. And it's disgusting that unsuspecting parents would be pushed these drugs with their kids at such a young and vital age.

I was put on legal Amphetamine when I had faith in the health system, right around the time I was put on an antipsychotic for insomnia. I was a kid and they had me taking schizophrenic-level doses of Seroquel because I couldn't sleep and was anxious. Well, I was a zombie for a few years, I didn't feel any emotions. I slept plenty but never felt rested. Then they thought it would be wise to give me speed at the same time so I could have enough energy for school. I was taking a god damn pharmaceutical speedball.. And I remember what my Psychiatrist told me I'd be taking these drugs for the rest of my life once I started taking them...

So I don't put too much faith in these pseudo-doctors anymore.
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Me neither...

Funny sometimes how life works.
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Hmmm....

What if someone has rage constantly building within them?

They want to create, yet rage clouds their vision...

Not disagreeing of course... the mind is always in control.
 Quoting: pi


Rage?

What is that?

It's loneliness.

What IS the meaning of Life?

To Touch.
 Quoting: Seer777


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No one should ever have to feel like they are in a black pit of despair.

If someone has decided that opiates will be their saviour, so be it. Why can't society do any better? Why does anyone feel rage or loneliness?

It's not right. Never. Better an addict than a stat on a suicide report...
 Quoting: pi


I hear you.

And I understand. hugs


Depression is rampant.

For good reason.

As society leave lacking those of creative yet meek Natures.


Ones 'checking out' need not be through such extreme means. Marijuana is much more gentle, and generally does not lead to behaviors such as heroin does. Nor the physical withdrawal.

As we know.


We have seen the infants born to mother addicted. And watched them suffer their first days or even weeks of life.

That is unfair.

And disgusting...



Why can't they stop?

Life1123581321


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Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body...
~Seneca
pi

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Mmmm...

Have you ever read the updated reports on "crack babies"?

The point is... while a baby CERTAINLY doesn't deserve to withdraw... really it so far hasn't been shown scientifically to actually cause a measurable change when all is said and done.

Perhaps, with all those unfilled opioid receptors, a withdrawing baby will gain a much more powerful bond with the mother...

The only "recreational" drugs to actually harm a fetus appear to be the GABA-ergics... alcohol, benzodiazepines, etc.

What if...

An alcoholic, pregnant mother chose to use heroin to withdraw from alcohol?

Cause it can be used for that after all... but for the stranglehold on study and indication to ONLY matters of "physical" pain.
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Mmmm...

Have you ever read the updated reports on "crack babies"?

The point is... while a baby CERTAINLY doesn't deserve to withdraw... really it so far hasn't been shown scientifically to actually cause a measurable change when all is said and done.

Perhaps, with all those unfilled opioid receptors, a withdrawing baby will gain a much more powerful bond with the mother...

The only "recreational" drugs to actually harm a fetus appear to be the GABA-ergics... alcohol, benzodiazepines, etc.

What if...

An alcoholic, pregnant mother chose to use heroin to withdraw from alcohol?

Cause it can be used for that after all... but for the stranglehold on study and indication to ONLY matters of "physical" pain.
 Quoting: pi



Alcohol is just as bad...if not much worse as far as potential long term fetal effect.


Addiction either way is the point here love.

Some substance much more so than others...

Heroin being one of those.

To the point of 'not caring' about anything else really...


Some...most do not have your strength of character and will fold within the throes of bliss.

To their very death and all that surrounds them.



It is easy to project ones wisdom on those who hold it not.

I know you understand.

:)

TreeofLifeKeyhol

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pi

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Mmmm...

Have you ever read the updated reports on "crack babies"?

The point is... while a baby CERTAINLY doesn't deserve to withdraw... really it so far hasn't been shown scientifically to actually cause a measurable change when all is said and done.

Perhaps, with all those unfilled opioid receptors, a withdrawing baby will gain a much more powerful bond with the mother...

The only "recreational" drugs to actually harm a fetus appear to be the GABA-ergics... alcohol, benzodiazepines, etc.

What if...

An alcoholic, pregnant mother chose to use heroin to withdraw from alcohol?

Cause it can be used for that after all... but for the stranglehold on study and indication to ONLY matters of "physical" pain.
 Quoting: pi



Alcohol is just as bad...if not much worse as far as potential long term fetal effect.


Addiction either way is the point here love.

Some substance much more so than others...

Heroin being one of those.

To the point of 'not caring' about anything else really...


Some...most do not have your strength of character and will fold within the throes of bliss.

To their very death and all that surrounds them.



It is easy to project ones wisdom on those who hold it not.

I know you understand.

:)

TreeofLifeKeyhol
 Quoting: Seer777


...

...

SIGH... Always light-years ahead. tounge

I still think that prohibition is not the answer.

Education, is what we need. Truthful education. The full effects, not just the bad ones, must be made available I feel.

Drugs must be shown to be a trade-off, powerful tools that carry a price for use; and not as "selling one's soul".

Kids clearly don't buy the "drugs are bad" schtick, and cannabis will forever guarantee this.

But if it were a matter of free will, and not peer pressure, OR of the forbidden fruit, then people would make the choice that suits them. I'm sure of it.
pi

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Alcohol is just as bad...if not much worse as far as potential long term fetal effect.
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By the way... that's what I was getting at. tounge
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But if it were a matter of free will, and not peer pressure, OR of the forbidden fruit, then people would make the choice that suits them. I'm sure of it.
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As each do with every breath...

:)



It was a delight talking with you tonight, pi.

I'm going to retire, as it it is much later than I am use to staying up.


Strange.

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But if it were a matter of free will, and not peer pressure, OR of the forbidden fruit, then people would make the choice that suits them. I'm sure of it.
 Quoting: pi


As each do with every breath...

:)



It was a delight talking with you tonight, pi.

I'm going to retire, as it it is much later than I am use to staying up.


Strange.

tounge
 Quoting: Seer777


See ya... :)
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Seriously. Could anyone, for just one minute, consider what the consequences would be if my original post is true?

Looks like prohibition will be the hardest nut yet for the force of change.
 Quoting: pi
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That is some moronic shit babble. Only can an addict conjure up such bullshit. Try living with yourself- you have NO IDEA how fucking annoying it is to live with an opiate addict. Nothing but lying, coniving, concocting, stealing, and 'jonesing' 24 hours a day 7 days a week. They are only pleasant when high, then sleeping or raging the rest the time. Nothing in life can be done or enjoyed without the aid of pills. I want to kill myself half the time just to escape the madness and I'm not the addict. Plus to top it all off, if you love someone this will absolutely rip your heart out of your body watching an itteligent, caring, beautiful person become a souless slave to the PILL. I never believed in demon possession or any of that but I tend to wonder as a direct result of witnessing opiate addiction could this possibly be whats happening? Anyways, keep fooling yourself you pathetic addict, no, no one around you is suffering, it's all good..peace out
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Thanks for making the case for legalization so obvious. Peace out, moron.
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Heroin was the brand name for morphine when marketed and sold by Bayer. stoned
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Wrong. Heroin was the brand name for ACETYLATED morphine.
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Heroin was the brand name for morphine when marketed and sold by Bayer. stoned
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Wrong. Heroin was the brand name for ACETYLATED morphine.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41192566


true

Heroin happens to be one of the cheapest substances in the entire world to produce, and it is even cheaper than morphine and opium extracts due to the comparative ease of extracting acetates of morphine from opium tar. Indeed, heroin isn’t even the strongest opioid produced in the acetylation of opium; 6-monoacetylmorphine is reckoned to be more potent and bioavailable, and some users of black market heroin actually prefer the hideous mexican product known as black tar heroin, almost certainly due to the increased presence of 6-MAM compared to “regular” diacetylmorphine.
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