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Anonymous Coward User ID: 24341025 United States 12/23/2012 07:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | FUCK YEAH! That's why we need a Libertarian style government...no stupid fucking "drug prohibitions" at all! Nanny government is for insecure fucking pussies who are too stupid, incapable, and ignorant to care for themselves without someone telling them what's "bad" or "good" to injest. FUCK YOU DRUG PROHIBITION SUPPORTERS! |
pi (OP) User ID: 20063747 Canada 12/23/2012 07:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | FUCK YEAH! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24341025 That's why we need a Libertarian style government...no stupid fucking "drug prohibitions" at all! Nanny government is for insecure fucking pussies who are too stupid, incapable, and ignorant to care for themselves without someone telling them what's "bad" or "good" to injest. FUCK YOU DRUG PROHIBITION SUPPORTERS! They treat us like we are children. True self-ownership is impossible so long as prohibition stands. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 24341025 United States 12/23/2012 07:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | FUCK YEAH! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24341025 That's why we need a Libertarian style government...no stupid fucking "drug prohibitions" at all! Nanny government is for insecure fucking pussies who are too stupid, incapable, and ignorant to care for themselves without someone telling them what's "bad" or "good" to injest. FUCK YOU DRUG PROHIBITION SUPPORTERS! They treat us like we are children. True self-ownership is impossible so long as prohibition stands. I hear downtown eastside Vancouver has good shit if you have the right hook. |
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pi (OP) User ID: 20063747 Canada 12/23/2012 07:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I hear downtown eastside Vancouver has good shit if you have the right hook. Heh, I've heard that too, thanks for the tip... To be honest dude? I've never tried heroin. Dillies and oxy were my game. But sadly I don't see myself 'opiated' for a good long time, need my energies to be fully alive and blazing as it were... |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 24341025 United States 12/23/2012 07:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I hear downtown eastside Vancouver has good shit if you have the right hook. Heh, I've heard that too, thanks for the tip... To be honest dude? I've never tried heroin. Dillies and oxy were my game. But sadly I don't see myself 'opiated' for a good long time, need my energies to be fully alive and blazing as it were... Dillies have a nice heroinesque rush, but crap out way too fast. Ch White from Vancouver = soft, pillowy, teddy bear hugs all night long... |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 24341025 United States 12/23/2012 07:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Dillies have a nice heroinesque rush, but crap out way too fast. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24341025 Ch White from Vancouver = soft, pillowy, teddy bear hugs all night long... Yeah in the media they call dilaudid "synthetic heroin" LOL That's an interesting bit... can't china white be iffy though? Find yourself an Asian hook...don't deal with black guys for your shit (not racist, just my experience) |
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pi (OP) User ID: 20063747 Canada 12/23/2012 07:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Heroin will rape you so hard. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1333814 Amphetamine would be a better legal alternative. All drugs should be legal, but amps change people like no other drug I've ever seen. With heavy use yes, what we need is education, and people need to be aware of harm reduction. Fish oil for example is capable of abolishing the deficits caused by overuse of amphetamine, methamphetamine, and MDMA. Partially due to its powerful antioxidant properties. |
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pi (OP) User ID: 20063747 Canada 12/23/2012 08:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nah. It's really not. It's a product of shortened cocaine supply. It's an attempt to maximize profit on a choked off supply chain. The below is from a pretty good site. [link to cocaine.org] "As a rule of thumb, it is profoundly unwise to take crack-cocaine. The brain has evolved a truly vicious set of negative feedback mechanisms. Their functional effect is to stop us from being truly happy for long. Nature is cruelly parsimonious with pleasure. The initial short-lived euphoria of a reinforcer as uniquely powerful as crack will be followed by a "crash". This involves anxiety, anhedonia, depression, irritability, extreme fatigue and possibly paranoia. Physical health may deteriorate. An intense craving for more cocaine develops. In heavy users, stereotyped compulsive and repetitive patterns of behaviour may occur. ... There is perhaps a single predictable time of life when taking crack-cocaine is sensible, harmless and both emotionally and intellectually satisfying. Indeed, for such an occasion it may be commended. Certain estimable English doctors were once in the habit of administering to terminally-ill cancer patients an elixir known as the "Brompton cocktail". This was a judiciously-blended mixture of cocaine, heroin and alcohol. The results were gratifying not just to the recipient. Relatives of the stricken patient were pleased, too, at the new-found look of spiritual peace and happiness suffusing the features of a loved one as (s)he prepared to meet his or her Maker. Drawing life to a close with a transcendentally orgasmic bang, and not a pathetic and god-forsaken whimper, can turn dying into the culmination of one's existence rather than its present messy and protracted anti-climax. There is another good reason to finish life on a high note. In a predominantly secular society, adopting a hedonistic death-style is much more responsible from an ethical utilitarian perspective. For it promises to spare friends and relations the miseries of vicarious suffering and distress they are liable to undergo at present as they witness one's decline. A few generations hence, the elimination of primitive evolutionary holdovers such as the ageing process and suffering will make the hedonistic death advocated here redundant. In the meanwhile, one is conceived in pleasure and may reasonably hope to die in it." |
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pi (OP) User ID: 20063747 Canada 12/23/2012 08:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes. Also, There is a chemical receptor in the human body, the mu3 opioid receptor. This receptor does NOT respond to endogenous opioid peptides. Only an opiate. ;) Morphine and codeine are always present in the human body. It would appear that TUMORS are able to enhance the endogenous production of morphine... hmm... ;) |
pi (OP) User ID: 20063747 Canada 12/23/2012 08:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No. Heroin takes all the effort out of drugs. It makes it too easy.... sort of like giving random strangers access to an unlimited supply of alcohol for drinking and not to expect they will turn into addicts. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30443180 Make the choice for yourself pal. We won't let you make ours for us. You have no idea what it's like to be addicted, to actually feel like you NEED to use opioids. |
pi (OP) User ID: 20063747 Canada 12/23/2012 08:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is possible... infuse it with Narcan. But then people will be trying advanced kitchen chemistry to get the heroin back out again. It has been tried before with the pharma opioids, and seems to have failed. |
pi (OP) User ID: 20063747 Canada 12/23/2012 08:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Morphine and codeine are always present in the human body. It would appear that TUMORS are able to enhance the endogenous production of morphine... hmm... ;) Quoting: pi 20063747 ... "...I weep rivers for you, my beloved child. It hurts me to say, that I cannot cure you. But I can, at the very least, help to take your pain away..." ... ;) LEGALIZE! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 5327118 United States 12/23/2012 09:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I can't believe the crap that I'm reading, but I guess it shouldn't surprise me considering the site. First, and probably least important, your plumbing couldn't handle the legalization of opiates. The ass-tearing bricks that would be shit...just beyond comprehension. Second, calling heroin non-addictive (or lightly addictive) is about as irresponsible and incorrect as you can get. Its the type of miss-information that can only be provided by someone on the damned drug to begin with. The withdrawals from heroin are second only to alcohol, can kill you, and I wouldn't wish them on anyone. Heroin is a soul-sucking temptress, and once she's latched on you aren't getting away from her. Three outcomes are possible at that point. 1)You manage to get by every day without her, but think of her every moment. 2)You continue using her, living in euphoric bliss until you OD. 3)You realize that you can't get by with her, nor without her, and the game ends prematurely. Every time I hear this crap from an addict I think back on all those I've lost. The final months where there was absolutely no spark behind their dead eyes. The complacent content with being a lifeless slug. The constant wondering by all who loved them if there was ANYTHING they could have done differently that would have helped. The only bonus point in legalizing the drug is that it wouldn't take long for all the Darwin nominees to OD, and they might do so in a timely enough fashion as not to get the next generation hooked. |
pi (OP) User ID: 20063747 Canada 12/23/2012 10:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I can't believe the crap that I'm reading, but I guess it shouldn't surprise me considering the site. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5327118 First, and probably least important, your plumbing couldn't handle the legalization of opiates. The ass-tearing bricks that would be shit...just beyond comprehension. Second, calling heroin non-addictive (or lightly addictive) is about as irresponsible and incorrect as you can get. Its the type of miss-information that can only be provided by someone on the damned drug to begin with. The withdrawals from heroin are second only to alcohol, can kill you, and I wouldn't wish them on anyone. Heroin is a soul-sucking temptress, and once she's latched on you aren't getting away from her. Three outcomes are possible at that point. 1)You manage to get by every day without her, but think of her every moment. 2)You continue using her, living in euphoric bliss until you OD. 3)You realize that you can't get by with her, nor without her, and the game ends prematurely. Every time I hear this crap from an addict I think back on all those I've lost. The final months where there was absolutely no spark behind their dead eyes. The complacent content with being a lifeless slug. The constant wondering by all who loved them if there was ANYTHING they could have done differently that would have helped. The only bonus point in legalizing the drug is that it wouldn't take long for all the Darwin nominees to OD, and they might do so in a timely enough fashion as not to get the next generation hooked. ... What a shame, what a shame To judge a life that you can't change The choir sings, the church bells ring So won't you give this man his wings? What a shame to have to beg you to See we're not all the same, what a shame You know nothing about the issue. Opiates ARE "lightly addictive" (what a nonsense term) compared to alcohol, cocaine and benzodiazepines. Look it up. OD's are caused by sudden changes in purity in the illicit supply. If the dose is known, the risk of OD is almost zero. Opiate users do not want to DIE. They just want to be well. Plus you can carry an antidote. Narcan. But thanks to scum sucker "zero tolerance" policies, the PTB would rather you DIE than get clean. FUCK THEM. And by the way that stupid little jab about constipation... well guess what jack-ass... people who are genetically inclined to use opiates suffer this to a far less extent than others. FURTHERMORE, all addicts become tolerant to this after a time. The shit doesn't just build and build and build, you idiot. Some people are opiate dependent for many decades. You're trying to tell me they have a 100 pound lump of shit in their bowels? Maybe for ONCE you could open your mind. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1625979 United States 12/23/2012 10:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here is my take, which I had posted on a similar thread. Argue if you must, but herein the truth of matter lies within sheer ECONOMICS, not IMPOSED MORALITY. You people who throw around the word “addiction” know nothing of the true dynamic, which stem from illicit substances. Addiction is a word which is used to describe a person, whom consumes a commodity which has had its market dynamic destroyed. For example, if tomorrow they made McDonalds illegal; then the day after criminalization, everyone whom ate McDonalds would be considered an addict. This terminology, (addict), is used to label individuals whom engage in any action, which has been deemed unacceptable by “society’s” standards. However, most of you whom buy into the “war on drugs”, DO NOT understand what the real truth is, which lays behind the issue which you so adamantly support. Firstly, your need to impose a personal religious ideology, has no relevance in a topic whose primary basis lies in ECONOMICS. What exactly is the “war on drugs”? Is it the pursuance of imposing the socio-religious-political will of a small percentage of the population, onto the population as a whole? Or, is it the destruction of the functioning market-dynamic of a group of publicly-traded commodities; done so that the final outcome profits only a select few? The truth is, that: 1. Morality cannot be regulated. 2. Once a product has been introduced into the marketplace, there will usually be a demand for said product, until its function becomes non-relevant, or until it is replaced by a superior product. 3. Regulation impacts only SUPPLY for a product, it does not impact DEMAND. 4. The destruction of a fully-functioning market dynamic which is dictated by supply-and-demand will only result in the emergence of a “black market” economy; created to which supply the demand for the now-illicit product. Before the advent of the “social demonization” of what we now call “drugs”, there was in fact a functioning market, in which substances such as cocaine, and heroin were openly traded in a public market environment. In this arrangement, production of these substances was carried out by some form of commercial enterprise. The companies which produced these “illicit substances”, or at least the content, sale and/or distribution of said products; were regulated in some form or another. However, in an attempt to regulate morality, it was decided that these substances should no longer be publicly traded and/or consumed. This act did not take into account, the quelling of the demand for these products. It was simply a commonly held belief that when they became illegal to publicly produce, trade, and/or consume these commodities; that the demand for these products would disappear. Well, as it appears, this was nothing more than fantasy…As it is human behavior which dictates the need for the procurement of a product, no matter what is done to eradicate its supply. Destroying the legal market for any product will only create a “black-market” condition, in order to supply the demand for the illicit product. With criminalization, you take the ability to regulate a commodity’s market out of the public’s hands; and place it under the control of nefarious entities. THERE WILL ALWAYS BE DEMAND NO MATTER WHAT!!! Do you wish to let the supply be controlled by illegal, unregulated entities which operate beyond the rule of law? Just as we have now, wherein the entire economic cycle is controlled by a singular group of nefarious entities? Or would you rather that the industry be controlled within a law-abiding atmosphere, whereby taxes and other regulatory monies may be collected from a LEGALLY-FUNCTIONING MARKET DYNAMIC??? If the made McDonalds illegal tomorrow, how many McDonalds “junkies and/or addicts” would there be in the world? Do you think that making McDonalds illegal would have ANY effect on its relative demand? |
pi (OP) User ID: 20063747 Canada 12/23/2012 10:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here is my take, which I had posted on a similar thread. Argue if you must, but herein the truth of matter lies within sheer ECONOMICS, not IMPOSED MORALITY. Quoting: FiRe_DrAgOn You people who throw around the word “addiction” know nothing of the true dynamic, which stem from illicit substances. Addiction is a word which is used to describe a person, whom consumes a commodity which has had its market dynamic destroyed. For example, if tomorrow they made McDonalds illegal; then the day after criminalization, everyone whom ate McDonalds would be considered an addict. This terminology, (addict), is used to label individuals whom engage in any action, which has been deemed unacceptable by “society’s” standards. However, most of you whom buy into the “war on drugs”, DO NOT understand what the real truth is, which lays behind the issue which you so adamantly support. Firstly, your need to impose a personal religious ideology, has no relevance in a topic whose primary basis lies in ECONOMICS. What exactly is the “war on drugs”? Is it the pursuance of imposing the socio-religious-political will of a small percentage of the population, onto the population as a whole? Or, is it the destruction of the functioning market-dynamic of a group of publicly-traded commodities; done so that the final outcome profits only a select few? The truth is, that: 1. Morality cannot be regulated. 2. Once a product has been introduced into the marketplace, there will usually be a demand for said product, until its function becomes non-relevant, or until it is replaced by a superior product. 3. Regulation impacts only SUPPLY for a product, it does not impact DEMAND. 4. The destruction of a fully-functioning market dynamic which is dictated by supply-and-demand will only result in the emergence of a “black market” economy; created to which supply the demand for the now-illicit product. Before the advent of the “social demonization” of what we now call “drugs”, there was in fact a functioning market, in which substances such as cocaine, and heroin were openly traded in a public market environment. In this arrangement, production of these substances was carried out by some form of commercial enterprise. The companies which produced these “illicit substances”, or at least the content, sale and/or distribution of said products; were regulated in some form or another. However, in an attempt to regulate morality, it was decided that these substances should no longer be publicly traded and/or consumed. This act did not take into account, the quelling of the demand for these products. It was simply a commonly held belief that when they became illegal to publicly produce, trade, and/or consume these commodities; that the demand for these products would disappear. Well, as it appears, this was nothing more than fantasy…As it is human behavior which dictates the need for the procurement of a product, no matter what is done to eradicate its supply. Destroying the legal market for any product will only create a “black-market” condition, in order to supply the demand for the illicit product. With criminalization, you take the ability to regulate a commodity’s market out of the public’s hands; and place it under the control of nefarious entities. THERE WILL ALWAYS BE DEMAND NO MATTER WHAT!!! Do you wish to let the supply be controlled by illegal, unregulated entities which operate beyond the rule of law? Just as we have now, wherein the entire economic cycle is controlled by a singular group of nefarious entities? Or would you rather that the industry be controlled within a law-abiding atmosphere, whereby taxes and other regulatory monies may be collected from a LEGALLY-FUNCTIONING MARKET DYNAMIC??? If the made McDonalds illegal tomorrow, how many McDonalds “junkies and/or addicts” would there be in the world? Do you think that making McDonalds illegal would have ANY effect on its relative demand? PERFECT. Thank you very much. However, if they ban McDonald's, they might end up promoting Burger King as a "non-addictive substitute." Though they might just switch to Burger King... |