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It is straight up Fucking Useless in Arguing with these dipshits!.. split the country in 2 and the crybaby liberal anti gun shmucks can live on one side and then com crawling to our fences looking to be defended against the hoards of criminals that know they are now unarmed!
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Thread: What do you think about my idea on the new gun legislation

one thread not enough?

and my comment from the other thread still stands.


4 words...

shall not be infringed.


sorry.
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your right is not infringed. You have every right to own a firearm.

But in doing so, you have every responsibility to your community to do so Legally...
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It is straight up Fucking Useless in Arguing with these dipshits!.. split the country in 2 and the crybaby liberal anti gun shmucks can live on one side and then com crawling to our fences looking to be defended against the hoards of criminals that know they are now unarmed!
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Um.

can you read...

Im not saying disarm america...

Im saying monitor arms in america...
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Thread: What do you think about my idea on the new gun legislation

one thread not enough?

and my comment from the other thread still stands.


4 words...

shall not be infringed.


sorry.
 Quoting: Anonymous Cowherder

 Quoting: Anonymous Cowherder


your right is not infringed. You have every right to own a firearm.

But in doing so, you have every responsibility to your community to do so Legally...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23231420


yes, it would be infringed upon you moronic jackass!

now stop spamming the board with this inanity!
I'm a Libertarian Constitutionalist.

I don't give a shit what you do with your own life, whether you make it a success or a failure, that is the outcome of the choices you make, but please take responsibility for yourself and don't make ME pay for YOUR choices and we're all good.

Repeal the 17th Amendment and the Apportionment Act of 1911!

Thread: First steps down the road to a return to the Constitutional Republic that we were intended to be.

Restore the Republic.

It's a flower, not something to be feared.

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Get a ccw permit op and move on.45autokarma
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this isnt about me...

Its about the entire world community.

Putting a stop to illegal weapon purchasing, and firearm related crimes.
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How about we just put a microchip in everyone's forehead and wrist that tracks everything that everyone purchases period?
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This isn't about tracking people, its about tracking weapons...

We do this to keep people safe. Not to infringe their rights of privacy...

If you own a gun you already committed to storing it securely, and using it within the realm of the law.

Whats so different Are you scared that you couldn't abide by keeping your end of the bargain?
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No I was being sarcastic because I believe your whole idea is pretty much a step in the direction of the mark of the beast. Its not like we aren't already half way there with cell phones that monitor our locations and electronic transactions that can be tracked - but it is the forced implementation of these systems that I think crosses the line drawn in the book of Revalations and is an afront to the human spirit. It is most important to have a society of people who will do the right thing when no one is watching. Implementing a system such that you prescribe will create a society that doesn't know what to do unless it is being watched and forced to act right. What will happen when the system fails and people realize they aren't being watched? COMPLETE CHAOS that is what.
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Thread: What do you think about my idea on the new gun legislation

one thread not enough?

and my comment from the other thread still stands.


4 words...

shall not be infringed.


sorry.
 Quoting: Anonymous Cowherder

 Quoting: Anonymous Cowherder


your right is not infringed. You have every right to own a firearm.

But in doing so, you have every responsibility to your community to do so Legally...
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yes, it would be infringed upon you moronic jackass!

now stop spamming the board with this inanity!
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Actually it in no way infringes your right...

You would have every right to bear an Arm. Which is your legal right to do...

This in no way conflicts with legal firearm ownership.
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Thread: What do you think about my idea on the new gun legislation

one thread not enough?

and my comment from the other thread still stands.


...

 Quoting: Anonymous Cowherder


your right is not infringed. You have every right to own a firearm.

But in doing so, you have every responsibility to your community to do so Legally...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23231420


yes, it would be infringed upon you moronic jackass!

now stop spamming the board with this inanity!
 Quoting: Anonymous Cowherder


Actually it in no way infringes your right...

You would have every right to bear an Arm. Which is your legal right to do...

This in no way conflicts with legal firearm ownership.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23231420


now it's "bear AN ARM", huh? seems your slipping down your own slope.
I'm a Libertarian Constitutionalist.

I don't give a shit what you do with your own life, whether you make it a success or a failure, that is the outcome of the choices you make, but please take responsibility for yourself and don't make ME pay for YOUR choices and we're all good.

Repeal the 17th Amendment and the Apportionment Act of 1911!

Thread: First steps down the road to a return to the Constitutional Republic that we were intended to be.

Restore the Republic.

It's a flower, not something to be feared.

cow - Moo!
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this isnt about me...

Its about the entire world community.

Putting a stop to illegal weapon purchasing, and firearm related crimes.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23231420


How about we just put a microchip in everyone's forehead and wrist that tracks everything that everyone purchases period?
 Quoting: Undestroyer


This isn't about tracking people, its about tracking weapons...

We do this to keep people safe. Not to infringe their rights of privacy...

If you own a gun you already committed to storing it securely, and using it within the realm of the law.

Whats so different Are you scared that you couldn't abide by keeping your end of the bargain?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23231420


No I was being sarcastic because I believe your whole idea is pretty much a step in the direction of the mark of the beast. Its not like we aren't already half way there with cell phones that monitor our locations and electronic transactions that can be tracked - but it is the forced implementation of these systems that I think crosses the line drawn in the book of Revalations and is an afront to the human spirit. It is most important to have a society of people who will do the right thing when no one is watching. Implementing a system such that you prescribe will create a society that doesn't know what to do unless it is being watched and forced to act right. What will happen when the system fails and people realize they aren't being watched? COMPLETE CHAOS that is what.
 Quoting: Undestroyer


while I agree that it would be nice if everyone played ball without creating problems for others...

Your very post points out a completely different topic. Being monitored, is very different than a Dangerous object being monitored.

Its really just my opinion, I just prefer to debate on the subject to really ask Why this would be a bad idea for society to do...

The real point is to make progress so that society can function without rights being trampled, and peoples personal privacy not being invaded... Its about making a failed system a better system. And in the end a working system.

Does this post really corrupt the existing system, or does it is it creating a new more sophisticated system which would be better for the greater good (we the people).?
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I've got a better idea OP why not chip the people that way everyone can be tracked to a pin point location? That way it doesn't matter what crime is committed with what means you always know who's involved.

The idea works for guns, knives, cars what ever is the vector the authorities will know who did the crime and who else was involved.

But I suspect you wouldn't like this would you OP? After all then they could bust YOU for crimes as well AAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
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your right is not infringed. You have every right to own a firearm.

But in doing so, you have every responsibility to your community to do so Legally...
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yes, it would be infringed upon you moronic jackass!

now stop spamming the board with this inanity!
 Quoting: Anonymous Cowherder


Actually it in no way infringes your right...

You would have every right to bear an Arm. Which is your legal right to do...

This in no way conflicts with legal firearm ownership.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23231420


now it's "bear AN ARM", huh? seems your slipping down your own slope.
 Quoting: Anonymous Cowherder


How ever many firearms you choose to own is your prerogative my friend. I only ask that you abide by doing so Legally.
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I've got a better idea OP why not chip the people that way everyone can be tracked to a pin point location? That way it doesn't matter what crime is committed with what means you always know who's involved.

The idea works for guns, knives, cars what ever is the vector the authorities will know who did the crime and who else was involved.

But I suspect you wouldn't like this would you OP? After all then they could bust YOU for crimes as well AAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
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I disagree.

I do not seek to imprison people I seek to better failed systems of governance. Which in turn frees people more than they already are...

The main question is would this system improve humanity?

Its only a rational question that truly deserves a rational answer. Nothing more nothing less.
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How about we do what the NRA say's.

Well I don't know if that will work either.
Because all I saw at the gun shop was women.
And alot of women at that.
So that tells me that it don't matter what law is made
you aint gonna fuck with a woman's children.

So it would probably be a bad idea to approach those women you see harmless jogging around schools now.

Way to go girls.
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How about we do what the NRA say's.

Well I don't know if that will work either.
Because all I saw at the gun shop was women.
And alot of women at that.
So that tells me that it don't matter what law is made
you aint gonna fuck with a woman's children.

So it would probably be a bad idea to approach those women you see harmless jogging around schools now.

Way to go girls.
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I agree with this...

I think every american should own a firearm. (or more if they choose). (but owning it responsibly is the condition of this thought), Which would mean acting in a law abiding mentality, at all times.

firearm ownership is a privileged. However with any given privileged comes a greater responsibility...
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you obviously put a lot of time in thinking about that... but dude...

what is the statistic? less than 1 in 10 guns used in a violent crime are even legally owned to begin with? may be more, may be less but that's an anictdotal at best. so what happens when 10 violent crimes are committed by guys illegally owning the fire arm and the one crime with a tracking device is still used? you've just introduced a law as effective as the gun free zone... except that you've also made life harder for the 80 million gun owners in this country who's guns weren't used in a crime... BY THE CRIMINAL.

What kind of money are you looking at to create such a gun tracking system? who pays for it? probably the gun purchasers/owners who obtain the equipment legally... great. another tax that punishes legal citizens and the criminals illegally purchasing firearms don't pay a cent...

what of the thousand yard guns that are out there? so now you can't have a firearm within a thousand yards of a gun free zone?

automatic execution?? come on man. in a country where a child raping murderer spents dies of old age before being executed but we're now going to come down hard on possession of a firearm while not actually committing a violent crime? execution for a victimless crime? well... maybe in america soon. this place will pin your ass to the wall for not paying taxes if you're a guy like me but at the same time give another guy one of the highest seats in the administration for the same crime... whatever...

people should be responsible for their firearms... they should protect them and their right to own/use them. they should do whatever they can to prevent theft and loss. but we live in the real world. people steel. people lose shit. so you're going to give some 72 year old blue haired grandma life in prison because her 24 year old grandson stole her gun to pawn for hell of drugs? she did nothing.

your fear of firearms. your irrational fear of metal and wood and lead and brass is no case for any government intervention on my life. why is it, that the first thing the irrationally afraid go to is extreme steps like the ones you wrote?

punish the criminal. there are already laws for that and crime is down in vast swaths across our country. and firearm ownership is up! man, there are so many points you made that are text book ridiculous. punish the criminal, not the society.

i'm afraid of the way you abuse free speach. there should be a law against that. we should force 310 million americans to only speek in a way that makes me and 60 million other americans comfortable.

we should just track everyone as a matter of fact. anyone with a gun, anyone with a pen and paper or speaks on forums. we should also have high school educated government employees search everyone trying to fly, use a train, bus or drives, go to school. we should track anyone without health insurance and fine them every year. we should pay 3rd world countries to never build any kind of infrastructure and at the same time deny federal funding for states who disagree with the federal laws. we should have federally funded highways and power plants... america's a mess right now bud. but not because free law abiding citizens own firearms and criminals SOMETIMES steel them to use in crimes.
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How about we do what the NRA say's.

Well I don't know if that will work either.
Because all I saw at the gun shop was women.
And alot of women at that.
So that tells me that it don't matter what law is made
you aint gonna fuck with a woman's children.

So it would probably be a bad idea to approach those women you see harmless jogging around schools now.

Way to go girls.
Two thumbs up from DooMCooN.rockon
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I agree with this...

I think every american should own a firearm. (or more if they choose). (but owning it responsibly is the condition of this thought), Which would mean acting in a law abiding mentality, at all times.

firearm ownership is a privileged. However with any given privileged comes a greater responsibility...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23231420


I also think that any firearm owner that seeks to hide the use of a firearm in any way could be considered as suspicious. being they have a simple design (sport, collection, personal protection, hunting; ect)...

What is so bad about placing a microchip in them to ensure that they are being used responsibly?
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How about we just put a microchip in everyone's forehead and wrist that tracks everything that everyone purchases period?
 Quoting: Undestroyer


This isn't about tracking people, its about tracking weapons...

We do this to keep people safe. Not to infringe their rights of privacy...

If you own a gun you already committed to storing it securely, and using it within the realm of the law.

Whats so different Are you scared that you couldn't abide by keeping your end of the bargain?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23231420


No I was being sarcastic because I believe your whole idea is pretty much a step in the direction of the mark of the beast. Its not like we aren't already half way there with cell phones that monitor our locations and electronic transactions that can be tracked - but it is the forced implementation of these systems that I think crosses the line drawn in the book of Revalations and is an afront to the human spirit. It is most important to have a society of people who will do the right thing when no one is watching. Implementing a system such that you prescribe will create a society that doesn't know what to do unless it is being watched and forced to act right. What will happen when the system fails and people realize they aren't being watched? COMPLETE CHAOS that is what.
 Quoting: Undestroyer


while I agree that it would be nice if everyone played ball without creating problems for others...

Your very post points out a completely different topic. Being monitored, is very different than a Dangerous object being monitored.

Its really just my opinion, I just prefer to debate on the subject to really ask Why this would be a bad idea for society to do...

The real point is to make progress so that society can function without rights being trampled, and peoples personal privacy not being invaded... Its about making a failed system a better system. And in the end a working system.

Does this post really corrupt the existing system, or does it is it creating a new more sophisticated system which would be better for the greater good (we the people).?
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Right like I said ^^ "It is most important to have a society of people who will do the right thing when no one is watching. Implementing a system such that you prescribe will create a society that doesn't know what to do unless it is being watched and forced to act right. What will happen when the system fails and people realize they aren't being watched? COMPLETE CHAOS that is what."

The system you propose would fail and would not be for any greater good other than whatever govt agency or company is being paid to provide those services.

IMHO gun education, saftety and as you have mentioned: responsible ownership is paramount in today's world. Even in your proposed monitered world these things will never be 100%. This is sad in its own way but nobody every said that this life would be easy and without challenges.
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I'm sure that the criminals would never think of removing said GPS device.
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Then let them be slain...
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You are such a idiot. There is simply nothing else to be said.
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Just what we need, more government spying on us. I can see how that would work well for them. Then when they actually want to get rid of all guns they will know exactly where they are and how many you have. Hmmm, let's have a drone strike here, and here, and here... It's a terrible idea plain and simple. It's the kind of thing that would be used against the people and not for them. For instance do you think the police or other government agencies would be on that list where you can look up who has guns and where they are? Certainly not. Also, if you want to reduce violence imposing a death sentence isn't the best way to go about that. It's kind of counter productive when you kill the people you are trying to "protect".
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This isn't about tracking people, its about tracking weapons...

We do this to keep people safe. Not to infringe their rights of privacy...

If you own a gun you already committed to storing it securely, and using it within the realm of the law.

Whats so different Are you scared that you couldn't abide by keeping your end of the bargain?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23231420


No I was being sarcastic because I believe your whole idea is pretty much a step in the direction of the mark of the beast. Its not like we aren't already half way there with cell phones that monitor our locations and electronic transactions that can be tracked - but it is the forced implementation of these systems that I think crosses the line drawn in the book of Revalations and is an afront to the human spirit. It is most important to have a society of people who will do the right thing when no one is watching. Implementing a system such that you prescribe will create a society that doesn't know what to do unless it is being watched and forced to act right. What will happen when the system fails and people realize they aren't being watched? COMPLETE CHAOS that is what.
 Quoting: Undestroyer


while I agree that it would be nice if everyone played ball without creating problems for others...

Your very post points out a completely different topic. Being monitored, is very different than a Dangerous object being monitored.

Its really just my opinion, I just prefer to debate on the subject to really ask Why this would be a bad idea for society to do...

The real point is to make progress so that society can function without rights being trampled, and peoples personal privacy not being invaded... Its about making a failed system a better system. And in the end a working system.

Does this post really corrupt the existing system, or does it is it creating a new more sophisticated system which would be better for the greater good (we the people).?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23231420


Right like I said ^^ "It is most important to have a society of people who will do the right thing when no one is watching. Implementing a system such that you prescribe will create a society that doesn't know what to do unless it is being watched and forced to act right. What will happen when the system fails and people realize they aren't being watched? COMPLETE CHAOS that is what."

The system you propose would fail and would not be for any greater good other than whatever govt agency or company is being paid to provide those services.

IMHO gun education, saftety and as you have mentioned: responsible ownership is paramount in today's world. Even in your proposed monitered world these things will never be 100%. This is sad in its own way but nobody every said that this life would be easy and without challenges.
 Quoting: Undestroyer


I agree again.

I would hope that the system did not fail. In my opinion that would be because people abandoned both the government and the system; But in my opinion it would be gun owners to be fearful of in a total system collapse regardless of whether or not this invention was applied; Wouldn't you agree ?
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No I was being sarcastic because I believe your whole idea is pretty much a step in the direction of the mark of the beast. Its not like we aren't already half way there with cell phones that monitor our locations and electronic transactions that can be tracked - but it is the forced implementation of these systems that I think crosses the line drawn in the book of Revalations and is an afront to the human spirit. It is most important to have a society of people who will do the right thing when no one is watching. Implementing a system such that you prescribe will create a society that doesn't know what to do unless it is being watched and forced to act right. What will happen when the system fails and people realize they aren't being watched? COMPLETE CHAOS that is what.
 Quoting: Undestroyer


while I agree that it would be nice if everyone played ball without creating problems for others...

Your very post points out a completely different topic. Being monitored, is very different than a Dangerous object being monitored.

Its really just my opinion, I just prefer to debate on the subject to really ask Why this would be a bad idea for society to do...

The real point is to make progress so that society can function without rights being trampled, and peoples personal privacy not being invaded... Its about making a failed system a better system. And in the end a working system.

Does this post really corrupt the existing system, or does it is it creating a new more sophisticated system which would be better for the greater good (we the people).?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23231420


Right like I said ^^ "It is most important to have a society of people who will do the right thing when no one is watching. Implementing a system such that you prescribe will create a society that doesn't know what to do unless it is being watched and forced to act right. What will happen when the system fails and people realize they aren't being watched? COMPLETE CHAOS that is what."

The system you propose would fail and would not be for any greater good other than whatever govt agency or company is being paid to provide those services.

IMHO gun education, saftety and as you have mentioned: responsible ownership is paramount in today's world. Even in your proposed monitered world these things will never be 100%. This is sad in its own way but nobody every said that this life would be easy and without challenges.
 Quoting: Undestroyer


I agree again.

I would hope that the system did not fail. In my opinion that would be because people abandoned both the government and the system; But in my opinion it would be gun owners to be fearful of in a total system collapse regardless of whether or not this invention was applied; Wouldn't you agree ?
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No I do not agree. I think you are asking that it is gun owners that we should fear in the event of systematic collapse right? Yea I don't agree with that. I think that it is responsible good gun owners who will hold things together when/if SHTF.

Granted they will be defending against other gunowners but seriously anyone who is not helping their neighbor or being compassionate towards others in the event of a major systematic collapse would be putting themselves out on a dangerous limb imho.
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Yeah, Lets give even more control over to the government because everything they touch turns out great! Fucking retard! Kill people because they have a gun with no gps device? Are you off your fucking meds little Stalin?
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hypothetical situations...

a person gets shot in a park. no witnesses and "gps tracking" shows no weapons actually in the park at the time of the shooting. the coroner deems the fatal shot came from a 9mm handgun, narrowing down the search.

there are 75 homes that border the park within range of a 9mm and 30 of those homes have 9mm handguns registered to residents, all on the properties at the time of the shooting, as per gps records.

the police now search everyone of those 30 homes looking for the weapon that was used, but in their haste to find the murderer they neglect to get a search warrant since gps has already shown that the guns were present anyway.

none turn out to have been the weapon used, but in the interim 30 families have been subjected to an illegal search, infringing upon their rights to privacy. also, one of the homeowners voiced his opposition to the search and is now under arrest for obstruction and resisting arrest.

3 days later, a man with a "gps enabled firing pin", which only activates when the trigger is pulled gets home from the firing range. he sits down to dinner, then goes to his garage to clean and oil his handgun. after doing so, he dry fires the weapon, triggering the gps. police are notified of a "discharge" in a home and respond as if to an active shooter/domestic violence situation. the man hears sirens and tires screeching, as does his wife. she opens the door, holding a pair of kitchen tongs in her hand that she was washing from dinner. it is dark out, an officer sees the glint of metal in her hand and opens fire. she dies instantly. the man comes inside to see his wife shot, starts screaming and runs to her side, in the confusion he is shot also as police thought he was charging them.

so now 2 are dead and one in jail because of this infringement.

hypothetical? yes. impossible? no.

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hypothetical situations...

a person gets shot in a park. no witnesses and "gps tracking" shows no weapons actually in the park at the time of the shooting. the coroner deems the fatal shot came from a 9mm handgun, narrowing down the search.

there are 75 homes that border the park within range of a 9mm and 30 of those homes have 9mm handguns registered to residents, all on the properties at the time of the shooting, as per gps records.

the police now search everyone of those 30 homes looking for the weapon that was used, but in their haste to find the murderer they neglect to get a search warrant since gps has already shown that the guns were present anyway.

none turn out to have been the weapon used, but in the interim 30 families have been subjected to an illegal search, infringing upon their rights to privacy. also, one of the homeowners voiced his opposition to the search and is now under arrest for obstruction and resisting arrest.

3 days later, a man with a "gps enabled firing pin", which only activates when the trigger is pulled gets home from the firing range. he sits down to dinner, then goes to his garage to clean and oil his handgun. after doing so, he dry fires the weapon, triggering the gps. police are notified of a "discharge" in a home and respond as if to an active shooter/domestic violence situation. the man hears sirens and tires screeching, as does his wife. she opens the door, holding a pair of kitchen tongs in her hand that she was washing from dinner. it is dark out, an officer sees the glint of metal in her hand and opens fire. she dies instantly. the man comes inside to see his wife shot, starts screaming and runs to her side, in the confusion he is shot also as police thought he was charging them.

so now 2 are dead and one in jail because of this infringement.

hypothetical? yes. impossible? no.
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little stalin will no doubt explain this away and assure you that:

1.this will never happen

2. gubmint is benign and only wants to help

3. gubmint would never ever abuse power and the faith and trust of the american people

4. everything gubmint does works perfectly and ---there are NEVER EVER any bad unintended consequences to any utopian feel good idiotic schemes.

5. If there are then it's the fault of the bad people, you know, those hateful freedom lovers. The ones who don't want to be filed,stamped,regulated,numbered,taxed to death,monitored and controlled.

You know, for their own good because mommy gubmint and big brother say so.

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hypothetical situations...

a person gets shot in a park. no witnesses and "gps tracking" shows no weapons actually in the park at the time of the shooting. the coroner deems the fatal shot came from a 9mm handgun, narrowing down the search.

there are 75 homes that border the park within range of a 9mm and 30 of those homes have 9mm handguns registered to residents, all on the properties at the time of the shooting, as per gps records.

the police now search everyone of those 30 homes looking for the weapon that was used, but in their haste to find the murderer they neglect to get a search warrant since gps has already shown that the guns were present anyway.

none turn out to have been the weapon used, but in the interim 30 families have been subjected to an illegal search, infringing upon their rights to privacy. also, one of the homeowners voiced his opposition to the search and is now under arrest for obstruction and resisting arrest.

3 days later, a man with a "gps enabled firing pin", which only activates when the trigger is pulled gets home from the firing range. he sits down to dinner, then goes to his garage to clean and oil his handgun. after doing so, he dry fires the weapon, triggering the gps. police are notified of a "discharge" in a home and respond as if to an active shooter/domestic violence situation. the man hears sirens and tires screeching, as does his wife. she opens the door, holding a pair of kitchen tongs in her hand that she was washing from dinner. it is dark out, an officer sees the glint of metal in her hand and opens fire. she dies instantly. the man comes inside to see his wife shot, starts screaming and runs to her side, in the confusion he is shot also as police thought he was charging them.

so now 2 are dead and one in jail because of this infringement.

hypothetical? yes. impossible? no.
 Quoting: Anonymous Cowherder


little stalin will no doubt explain this away and assure you that:

1.this will never happen

2. gubmint is benign and only wants to help

3. gubmint would never ever abuse power and the faith and trust of the american people

4. everything gubmint does works perfectly and ---there are NEVER EVER any bad unintended consequences to any utopian feel good idiotic schemes.

5. If there are then it's the fault of the bad people, you know, those hateful freedom lovers. The ones who don't want to be filed,stamped,regulated,numbered,taxed to death,monitored and controlled.

You know, for their own good because mommy gubmint and big brother say so.
 Quoting: s. d. butler


indubitably.
I'm a Libertarian Constitutionalist.

I don't give a shit what you do with your own life, whether you make it a success or a failure, that is the outcome of the choices you make, but please take responsibility for yourself and don't make ME pay for YOUR choices and we're all good.

Repeal the 17th Amendment and the Apportionment Act of 1911!

Thread: First steps down the road to a return to the Constitutional Republic that we were intended to be.

Restore the Republic.

It's a flower, not something to be feared.

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Ok here is my idea...
Place gps units on all firearms. (old and new)...
Make it illegal for any person possessing an un-traceable firearm or firearm that is unregistered to them a Class A felony; With a guarantee for a sentence reflecting LIFE IN PRISON, or equally Leading to a direct execution "with no exceptions"...
Basically I don't care if anyone owns anywhere between 1 gun, or 100 guns...
But I don't think just anyone should have a gun and go unnoticed by police, schools, and the general population...
Now, if guns were given active gps units, we would be able to track their whereabouts in real time. Leading to less firearm related deaths, fatalities, and both small and large crimes. Think about it, a squad car could posses a link to a live satellite feed showing the location of all firearms in the area; Not only that government approved dispatch centers would have the ability to track a person carrying multiple guns at a time and could send a patrol unit to intervene the subject to identify the reason the firearms are being moved (likely stopping many crimes prior to their execution).
If police knew where all firearms were everyday citizens would be easier approachable by law enforcement; As police wouldn't have to use deadly force as often due to them having first hand knowledge on weather a suspect is carrying at the time. Or running (yet unarmed)... This would reduce the number of deadly force incidents on all unarmed suspects!
Guns are dangerous. I will agree with that; But Guns are also good self defense systems, as well as collector items, and survival tools...
How do we apply them to a structured society if they are among society with no management?
The problem isn't about whether people should, or shouldn't have the right to bear arms. The problem is gun crime.
The problem is stolen weapons, and untraceable firearms killing people everyday...
Would you except a stolen firearm if you knew the penalty for possessing it was "life in prison with no parole".
And would you accept or even steal a firearm with an active gps unit on it?
And would you accept a non gps traceable weapon (again) knowing prior to accepting it; That being caught with its possession is an automatic execution...
(I doubt many people would). Taking the above into account, and add a firearm / live tracking dispatch center, into the equation. The few that would choose to commit the above infractions, would be easily traceable and likely questioned before they had time to commit any potential crimes...
This does not imply that anyone's rights are taken away from them. (own a 1000 guns or a million guns for all I care; But you need to be responsible for them at all costs. If you abuse keeping your firearm in a safe place you in my opinion are just as guilty as the offender that commits a crime with your firearm in my eyes)..
What this revision of firearm laws would do is make both the owners, and the potential thief's more responsible and less likely to commit to gun related crimes, and mishandling...
I am not worried about gun owners. I am worried about gun crimes and that people that have them in their possession are not being monitored leading to a multiliplude of problems in our society.
I live in a city, I am nervous about how easily a firearm could be possessed both illegally and legally...
We need to address this problem with a solution. We need to know that measures are taken, and people are being held accountable for their actions...
We do not need to un-arm american citizens. We need to re-arm american standards.
also once gps units are implanted on firearms, police would have an active amount of leads on all firearms located in an area of a firearm related crime. ( Helping them to triangulate potential suspects, and protect the people you love).
Sure you would have to be a more responsible "gun owner". But That shouldn't be a huge request coming from an unarmed citizen.
You want the right to bear arms. Then Bear them the right way. Or choose not to own one in the first place. It shouldn't be me or my loved ones lives paying the price for the 'mistakes' of Gun owners. It should be the gun owners that have to suffer for abusing the responsibilities in owning a gun...
UNFUCK AMERICA!
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Shove your idea and your GPS up your arse

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