Jesus appears to terminallly ill atheist!

Hey thanks, I appreciate that.

Are any of them criminal investigators, or stage magicians?
You know, people you are NOT gullible?

Why is it that your interpretation of NDEs is considered fancyful, rather than solid fact?

It's just one more bit of fiction on top of the pile of fiction you are mistaking for reality.

Here's one.

Moody studied philosophy at the University of Virginia, United States, where he obtained a B.A. (1966), an M.A. (1967) and a Ph.D. (1969) in the subject. He also obtained a Ph.D. in psychology from the University of West Georgia, then known as West Georgia College, where he later became a professor in that topic.[1] In 1976, he was awarded an M.D. from the Medical College of Georgia.

After obtaining his M.D., Moody worked as a forensic psychiatrist in a maximum-security Georgia state hospital. In 1998, Moody was appointed Chair in Consciousness Studies at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas.

As Randi has demonstrated many times, psychologists are a rather gullible lot.

So WHY isn't this SCIENCE FACT rather then RELI-FICTION?
WHY did this shrink's "research" not convince the masses?
Where is his Nobel?


Just for your enlightenment, having academic credentials is no guarantee against being a kook.

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Yes but he didn't have an NDE... so it is totally irrelevant.

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Well said.

Project Alpha proved that scientists can be just as easily fooled by psychic and mystic frauds.

If somebody is claiming proof of the paranormal the best person to investigate is somebody who is experienced in committing such fraud.

Set a thief to catch a thief as they say.

It's not merely psychologists, another NDE researcher is a medical doctor.

The area is a new field of research, due to recent advances in resuscitation methods (bringing people back from clinical death states). In addition, many assume these NDEs are merely hallucinations, imaginations, based on former beliefs / expectations, etc.

However, there's quite a few NDE cases now that contain veridical.

These however aren't in a single book, or presented by one single researcher, hence the reason, why one single researcher has not won any 'prize'.

I feel data is available, but it's from multiple sources. A person hasn't yet combined these very best cases, containing veridical info, in a single book.

There's also various other factors. I can touch upon these, but, it's primarily for serious NDE researchers, and most won't even bother to learn these.

Not necessarily, the point is that Jesus may appear to those from non-Christian backgrounds.

It's really not.

Recorded research into this phenomena dates back as far as the late 1800s.

Dudes like Fawkes, Crookes and other famous paranormal researchers of the day were big into it.

While I concede that work at this time would have been limited by medical tech, in the 20th century people like Sue Blackmore have been doing very good work on the subject for decades.

Serious research has been ongoing since at least the 1970s.

Assuming you have an interest in the field and assuming you are researching objectively (rather than merely seeking testimony that validates your beliefs) I assume you've read her work? (she also did good stuff on OBEs after experiencing one of her own).

Since the early 1990s large (relativity) amounts of studies have been conducted and in general the scientific community is satisfied that a neurological base for the phenomena has been fairly well established.

Very interesting experiments have been conducted, I found this example on wiki... it was shown NDE subjects have increased activity in the left temporal lobe.

In an experiment with one patient, electrical stimulation at the left temporoparietal junction lead to an illusion of another person close to her.

It's not unreasonable to think that a brain subconsciously aware it's dying would cast this phantom "person" as a religious figure or even a dead relative.

Anyway, yeah my point is, it's hardly a new field.

Look for NDEs that specifically contains veridical information.

If you do, that shows your argument and conclusion is false.

I have no argument, did I present an argument?
I didn't intend to, I was merely commenting on your incorrect assertion that this is a new field, particularly considering the most celebrated veridical info NDE stories are quite old.

Anyway it's not my niche but I'm interested so I will have a look, not right now as I'm watching the making of the Alien movies (so awesome) so don't mistake silence for concession lol, but later for sure.

I better find actual evidence, not just testimony and anecdotal accounts from the likes of that kook Beauregard (like that hokey tennis shoe story).

When he fucked up did people say "jesus jesus!"?

Another white american who has had Jesus shoved down his throat since birth lies about being an atheist to get attention.

What's truly disappointing is those who have become so disillusioned from organized religion that they fool themselves into believing that they can be omniscient and know the fate of other peoples' souls when clearly NO ONE on this earth has that knowledge or ability. So by all means, continue to demonstrate your righteousness as you continue to play 'God' and judge other peoples' souls for the sole reason that they do not accept your favorite 'savior'. Carry on trying to manipulate people through the use of their fear response to words like 'hell' because those of us who can see through the charade know exactly why you must resort to psychological manipulation to try and bribe others into accepting your subjective brand of dogma. If you cannot guide/assist/help others without intentionally seeking to invoke negative emotions in them -then you are demonstrating that you are not qualified to be acting as a teacher.



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Astral Projection / OBEs and NDEs are all real, but it has nothing to do with god/jesus. they don't exist

Yes I do realize serious research had been going since the 1970s, hence the reason I had also mentioned Raymond Moody in a previous post, who did serious research into NDEs, in the late 70s.

'New' is a subjective term, and based on conflicting conclusions of NDE researchers and as also stated more enhanced 'resuscitation' methods, this I why I still consider this a 'new' area of research. Since we're now not only examining an NDE, but specifically a clinical death NDE (no heartbeat, respiration, and brainwave activity). Did you realize the reported experiences from a NDE, and a clinical death NDE is different? There's a very important difference, that every serious NDE researcher should know.

Yes, I'm also aware of the tennis shoe on top of the hospital account, by Maria.

And as stated, I'm referring to veridical information that also includes previously unknown information about the deceased, not merely information about the environment and surroundings, like the tennis shoe account.

[link to www.youtube.com]

Let me guess he has a book coming out in a few days

Nope, and there are other atheists, who also reported seeing Jesus, and also aren't selling any books.

I had an an NDE once and came across veridical information and I didn't see Jesus, I saw Zeus. That experience changed my lifefor the better and now I live for Zeus

'If they do not listen to Moses and
the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.'"

have some decency!

Riiight, what was the veridical information?

Thank you

Its too an emotional experience to be sharing with complete strangers over the internet hope you understand


Zeus be praised ,master of Odin and Poseidon and one with Jupiter