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40-DAY FAST: Can Canada Survive?

 
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First nations first hf
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So I will play devils advocate...millions upon millions of dollars was given to many NI (Native Indians). They were able to build schools, homes, basically were given a means to create their own infrastructure but with money comes power and responsibility. Yet somehow, with several advantages that were given to NI's they always manage to come back and sue the government for more money or land. Before taking this route how about doing a thorough cleaning in house first! With all this money came corruption on native lands. Violence, drugs, organized crime so on and so forth, but this is what NI's wanted. They were given a chance and they blew it! Get your shit together first before wanting to make other changes or else it's pointless!
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So I will play devils advocate...millions upon millions of dollars was given to many NI (Native Indians). They were able to build schools, homes, basically were given a means to create their own infrastructure but with money comes power and responsibility. Yet somehow, with several advantages that were given to NI's they always manage to come back and sue the government for more money or land. Before taking this route how about doing a thorough cleaning in house first! With all this money came corruption on native lands. Violence, drugs, organized crime so on and so forth, but this is what NI's wanted. They were given a chance and they blew it! Get your shit together first before wanting to make other changes or else it's pointless!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 744032


Sorry to tell you, but you are not informed about the true legal limitations the Canadian government put on the people on the reserves, so that they were not able to start businesses and develop viable economies for their own communities.

As a result, crime was the only way to make a living, and corruption was the only way to get ahead.

Comparison: the ghettos of Harlem and Detroit.

Taking the pill offered you by the mass media in Canada is something you will have to stop. There will be withdrawal symptoms.

But it's worth it.

Thank you for commenting.

hf
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Fuck. Stop calling us INDIANS!! We're not Asian ffs!
 Quoting: Eeeric


Sorry for using "Indians" - but not all Americans are used to other terms.

My bad.

But everybody in the USA knows about COWBOYS & INDIANS.
 Quoting: 13th-Century


Indigenous is just fine. I hate how ignorant and disrespectful most people still are.
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What would you like to be called?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30784274


Mi'kmaq! not micmac.
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Exactly, because the caucasians betrayed their own Christian faith early on... Afterwards, they only had hypocrisy and social conformity and brute force to undergird their societies.

They blasphemed the Holy Spirit.... who is the same Spirit as the Great Spirit in indigenous cultures.

This is why the corrupt religious people who ran the residential schools in Canada enjoyed torturing and murdering Native children.

They saw the light of God in them.

hf
 Quoting: 13th-Century


this has so much truth to it. for a long time I have been thinking that early Christianity (before the church hijacked it) was of the same nature as now so-called pagan or shamanistic (or whatever they like to call it these days) religions and beliefs. early Christian teaching doesn't contradict other spiritual systems, and they share many similarities. but of course, Christianity today, and for the last almost about 1000 years has nothing to do with original Christianity....
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It wasnt 'canada', it was the Catholic Church.
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It wasnt 'canada', it was the Catholic Church.
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Racism is strong in Canada.
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Exactly, because the caucasians betrayed their own Christian faith early on... Afterwards, they only had hypocrisy and social conformity and brute force to undergird their societies.

They blasphemed the Holy Spirit.... who is the same Spirit as the Great Spirit in indigenous cultures.

This is why the corrupt religious people who ran the residential schools in Canada enjoyed torturing and murdering Native children.

They saw the light of God in them.

hf
 Quoting: 13th-Century


this has so much truth to it. for a long time I have been thinking that early Christianity (before the church hijacked it) was of the same nature as now so-called pagan or shamanistic (or whatever they like to call it these days) religions and beliefs. early Christian teaching doesn't contradict other spiritual systems, and they share many similarities. but of course, Christianity today, and for the last almost about 1000 years has nothing to do with original Christianity....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18612185


I was a friend of the late Rev. Andrew Maracle of the Tyendinaga Mohawks, near Napanee, Ontario. He was simultaneously a Christian pastor, and the official "Keeper of the Legends" for all the Mohawks in North America. He taught me these things.
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where I live the natives prefer to be called "mohawks".

nothing else.

I still always call them natives though.
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My prayers are with her and I hope the First Nation Peoples get what they deserve.
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And what, precisely, is that? Seriously, I am getting sick of this "we stole their land" bull shit. Sure, they were here first. Living in the Stone Age. Then "we" came along and out-bred and out-performed them.

This is how evolution and survival of the fittest works. Some native bands are very wealthy and have good self-government. Others are completely corrupt basket cases with horrible finances. There are successful native businesspeople who realize that being dependent on "us" giving them what they "deserve" is folly, and have instead chosen to make their own success.

A final thought: Does anyone mourn the original "indigenous" peoples of say, Great Britain? (hint: the people living there now are not them, for the most part.) Shit changes. Deal with it, adapt or perish.
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Exactly, because the caucasians betrayed their own Christian faith early on... Afterwards, they only had hypocrisy and social conformity and brute force to undergird their societies.

They blasphemed the Holy Spirit.... who is the same Spirit as the Great Spirit in indigenous cultures.

This is why the corrupt religious people who ran the residential schools in Canada enjoyed torturing and murdering Native children.

They saw the light of God in them.

hf
 Quoting: 13th-Century


this has so much truth to it. for a long time I have been thinking that early Christianity (before the church hijacked it) was of the same nature as now so-called pagan or shamanistic (or whatever they like to call it these days) religions and beliefs. early Christian teaching doesn't contradict other spiritual systems, and they share many similarities. but of course, Christianity today, and for the last almost about 1000 years has nothing to do with original Christianity....
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I was a friend of the late Rev. Andrew Maracle of the Tyendinaga Mohawks, near Napanee, Ontario. He was simultaneously a Christian pastor, and the official "Keeper of the Legends" for all the Mohawks in North America. He taught me these things.
 Quoting: 13th-Century


the deseronto reserve ?
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So I will play devils advocate...millions upon millions of dollars was given to many NI (Native Indians). They were able to build schools, homes, basically were given a means to create their own infrastructure but with money comes power and responsibility. Yet somehow, with several advantages that were given to NI's they always manage to come back and sue the government for more money or land. Before taking this route how about doing a thorough cleaning in house first! With all this money came corruption on native lands. Violence, drugs, organized crime so on and so forth, but this is what NI's wanted. They were given a chance and they blew it! Get your shit together first before wanting to make other changes or else it's pointless!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 744032


Although your accusation may be true in some cases, it is moot concerning this issue. Get with it; this is about the natural resources for ALL Canadians that are being sold at lightning speed to the corporate sleeze for greedy profit on lands that are rightfully Native lands through their treaty rights. How would you like someone to come to your house and fence off your garden and pool and sell it it to your neighbor, with you having no say in the matter? Now, let's think on a larger scale.
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Exactly, because the caucasians betrayed their own Christian faith early on... Afterwards, they only had hypocrisy and social conformity and brute force to undergird their societies.

They blasphemed the Holy Spirit.... who is the same Spirit as the Great Spirit in indigenous cultures.

This is why the corrupt religious people who ran the residential schools in Canada enjoyed torturing and murdering Native children.

They saw the light of God in them.

hf
 Quoting: 13th-Century


this has so much truth to it. for a long time I have been thinking that early Christianity (before the church hijacked it) was of the same nature as now so-called pagan or shamanistic (or whatever they like to call it these days) religions and beliefs. early Christian teaching doesn't contradict other spiritual systems, and they share many similarities. but of course, Christianity today, and for the last almost about 1000 years has nothing to do with original Christianity....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18612185


I was a friend of the late Rev. Andrew Maracle of the Tyendinaga Mohawks, near Napanee, Ontario. He was simultaneously a Christian pastor, and the official "Keeper of the Legends" for all the Mohawks in North America. He taught me these things.
 Quoting: 13th-Century


woa, really interesting. did anybody do a compilation of his teachings? I'd love to read or hear them
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Sorry for using "Indians" - but not all Americans are used to other terms.

My bad.

But everybody in the USA knows about COWBOYS & INDIANS.
 Quoting: 13th-Century


Indigenous is just fine. I hate how ignorant and disrespectful most people still are.
 Quoting: Eeeric


What would you like to be called?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30784274


Indigenous American.
 Quoting: Eeeric


u sound more like a intolerant bitch,

Stephen Harper knows there isn't to much black people here so he'll start a race war with the natives. Its too bad a lot of resources and power lines run through reserve land and a .22 bullet could be all it takes to take down a grid or 2.
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These issues cannot be buried for ever.
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In Alaska, many native women (and more men) come to a bad end, but it's almost always the result of alcohol. The white people are not killing them, unless you want to say since the white man introduced the alcohol they are killing them though no one makes them drink.

They can't help the alcohol problem as it's a biochemical problem, it's just a sad fact.

Some native girls in Anchorage have been killed, but mostly it's native guys who do that.

It's always easier to blame someone else.

The natives were obviously very mistreated in the past, but it's not quite that way anymore.

I'm only speaking for Alaska natives.
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Huddled in an Indian tent with a few close friends to encourage her, fighting the Canadian government on an island in the Ottawa River near Ottawa, in below freezing temperatures, with a wood fire and no solid food -

Chief Theresa Spence of the Attawapiskat First Nation has completed her 13th day of a hunger strike. Only a medical examination would reveal if and when her cells begin to die and when permanent kidney and liver damage will make physical recovery impossible.

Her goal: a personal meeting with Prime Minister Stephen Harper, so that the government of Canada for the first time begins serious negotiation of longstanding treaty disputes, plus the recently enacted omnibus Bill C-45.

The legislation amends the Navigable Waters Protection Act, which will allow the government to approve projects on more than 160 lakes without consulting First Nations. Bill C-45 also makes changes to the Indian Act, including changes to land management procedures on reserves, which will make it easier to lease out land for economic development without consulting band residents.

The impact of these changes will be devastating for many First Nations communities, fearful of pollution of land and water.

There is also continuing frustration over a lack of action in the cases of more than 600 aboriginal women who have been murdered or gone missing in the past 20 years.

IDLE NO MORE protests have spread across Canada, involving tens of thousands of protestors. Supporting flash mobs, round dances, and demonstrations have already spread to Europe and several locations in the USA.

The Canadian National Railroad tracks between Sarnia, Ontario, and the USA border have been shut down now for 3 days.

Canada's aboriginal people are largely disenfranchised, on reserve or off reserve, because of 19th-century racist legislation which accords them the same legal status as dependent children. The government continues a very divisive disinfo campaign against the efforts of Native groups, choosing to demonize them to gain political traction.

As a matter of record, the meaning and intent of the original treaties signed with Indian Nations in Canada have been ignored for generations.

The now infamous "residential schools" programs across the country, which lasted into the 1980's, have been proven by scholars to have been nothing but an institutionalized policy of genocide, facilitated by the Catholic Church, the Church of England (Anglican), and the United Church of Canada, with collaboration between the RCMP and the highest levels of the Canadian government.

The location of mass graves are now known, where children deliberately infected with TB were buried by the thousands. Shocking tales of murder, sexual abuse, and even medical experimentation are now being documented in Brussels by the International Common Law Court.

[link to itccs.org]

(Article written by OP after reading on this issue, and related background information, over the course of several years.)
 Quoting: 13th-Century


clappa
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Fuck it.. who even cares about those dirt gas huffing nates?
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To answer you...

"woa, really interesting. did anybody do a compilation of his teachings? I'd love to read or hear them"

Sorry, no. His children went their separate ways, and there aren't even tapes of his sermons, even though he travelled through Canada and the USA for years. His wife passed away from Alzheimer's, following his death.

I was told there were many demonic attacks against his family.

Satan is the father of lies, and hates a truthteller.
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Fuck it.. who even cares about those dirt gas huffing nates?
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bet ur grandma was gangbanged by a group of drunkin indians hey there partner
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colorbump for later!
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Fuck it.. who even cares about those dirt gas huffing nates?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19755366


Reality check. Do you know why Native youth turned to gas sniffing? First, it is cheap and available, but it is also because in an abusive situation, if they drink too much and pass out, they awaken to being raped. If they sniff, they keep conscious. It's a bleak existence for many of these youth as they are hidden away on reserves that you can only fly into, there are no roads out. This was a purposeful way of keeping the hideous truth of Canadian atrocities being tucked away, out of sight. Tell me, how would you cope?
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Glad to see the natives fighting back. It's really disgusting reading about the history of Native American contact with the United States and Canadian governments. Just one screwjob after another of stealing everything they have and need to live.
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Fuck. Stop calling us INDIANS!! We're not Asian ffs!
 Quoting: Eeeric


Sorry for using "Indians" - but not all Americans are used to other terms.

My bad.

But everybody in the USA knows about COWBOYS & INDIANS.
 Quoting: 13th-Century


Indigenous is just fine. I hate how ignorant and disrespectful most people still are.
 Quoting: Eeeric


What would you like to be called?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30784274



Why don't you just call yourselves the 'people who massacred and drove off the tribe that was there before us'

And Canadians could call themselves 'the slightly more civilised tribe that allowed the previous residents to live alongside them instead of massacring them all' - but are now wishing they had obsreved the wisdom of ages past - that dead men dont come back to bite you on the ass!
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You think this shit government only hates natives? The government hates everybody- I'm white, male, and deaf- you think I have it easy? BULLSHIT. The only thing that keeps me off the streets is the love of my family.

All we have is our family- get your houses in order because its the only thing that keeps you from being eaten by the beast.

I'm all for idle no more, but do you think this satanic government will even care?

I feel for your cause I truly do, but the government or corporation or church is not the answer. Family and guns are.

Get some.
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Are you people forgetting that the reset button has been pushed and civilization along with everything else is collapsing? If you don't know the hunter-gather way of living you'er gonna be their "sweet revenge"
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You think this shit government only hates natives? The government hates everybody- I'm white, male, and deaf- you think I have it easy? BULLSHIT. The only thing that keeps me off the streets is the love of my family.

All we have is our family- get your houses in order because its the only thing that keeps you from being eaten by the beast.

I'm all for idle no more, but do you think this satanic government will even care?

I feel for your cause I truly do, but the government or corporation or church is not the answer. Family and guns are.

Get some.
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Get out there, my brother and make yourself heard!!! All Canadians need to do this, let's allow the Natives to do the same!
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Are you people forgetting that the reset button has been pushed and civilization along with everything else is collapsing? If you don't know the hunter-gather way of living you'er gonna be their "sweet revenge"
 Quoting: crowsho


No doubt and they think their technology is going to save them. They will be begging their governments to 'take care of them too', most already are and are worse than the Natives on the reserves. 1rof1

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