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40-DAY FAST: Can Canada Survive?

 
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Bless you folks for having the moxy to react to the evil that has now been exposed. Trying to confuse the actual monsters who gave the orders in killing over 50,000 Mohawk children at their so called schools will not work anymore, all of this is futile at this point, since tribal histories have become more accurate than those who inflicted this evil, known by nations as "blood lust" when edged weapons were the popular item to kill with.

The total death by murder count against Native Americans started with the full blessings of thee church which is over 50,000,000 dead since the foreign ships first arrived.

Marlon Brando, decades ago worked to tell the true stories of these wonderful various tribes, but admitted Hollywood
was being pressured to say nothing about "those damned Indians" Now for a nation that allows a foreign nation to have full rights in this country owes Native Americans "homage" since they are the true owners.

Germans have been paying billions to Israel over an undecided number of WW-II deaths. Why is this not so for the Native American people whose racial deaths far out number all of the others.
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keepin ya down cause your existence represents the true timeline.....to which they have altered erroneously with the ill perspective of finance & trade...
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Christmas Day, 2012

This is the 14th day of Chief Spence's hunger strike.


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From Victoria Island, Ottawa - with a clear view across the river of the Canadian Parliament...


Video: "Mohawk Women Leaders Visit Chief Spence"



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Interview from the 8th day of the hunger strike...

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Death of A Protestor




The Ipperwash Crisis was an Indigenous land dispute that took place in Ipperwash Provincial Park, Ontario in 1995. Several members of the Stoney Point Ojibway band occupied the park in order to assert their claim to nearby land which had been expropriated from them during World War II. During a violent confrontation, the Ontario Provincial Police (OPP) killed unarmed protester DUDLEY GEORGE.

The ensuing controversy was a major event in Canadian politics.

Among the TRU (Tactical Response Unit) members was Acting Sergeant Ken "Tex" Deane, a senior officer in charge of a four-man sniper team with the job of escorting the force's CMU (Crowd Management Unit). Deane was near the park entrance and fired three shots at Dudley George, who was about fifteen feet from the park entrance, and was hit and badly injured. Deane later claimed he had mistaken the elongated dark coloured branch which George was carrying for a rifle.

George's sister Carolyn and brother Pierre attempted to take him to the local hospital for treatment but were arrested and delayed by the OPP for over an hour.

Dudley George was declared dead at 12:20 a.m. on September 7, 1995, at nearby Strathroy Middlesex General Hospital, in Strathroy, Ontario.

Acting Sergeant Ken Deane was convicted of criminal negligence causing death. Deane's defence was that he had believed that Dudley George was carrying a rifle. The judge rejected Deane's claim, stating:

"I find, sir, that you were not honest in presenting this version of events to the Ontario Provincial Police investigators. You were not honest in presenting this version of events to the Special Investigations Unit of the Province of Ontario. You were not honest in maintaining this ruse before this court." He sentenced Deane to a conditional sentence two years less a day to be served in the community (not in custody).

Deane hung on to his job for 5½ years after the criminal conviction, as he unsuccessfully appealed the verdict to the Ontario Court of Appeal and the Supreme Court of Canada. After a subsequent Police Act Hearing, Deane was convicted of Discredible Conduct and ordered to resign in 7 days or be fired. He later worked at an Ontario Hydro nuclear station in security.

Ken Deane died on February 25, 2006, in a car accident, when his vehicle collided with a truck near Prescott. Deane was on his way to testify in the inquiry.

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Sorry to disappoint you 13th Century but the media being swallowed is by you.

Idle No More is being orchestrated from the shadows by the usual suspects along the lines of Occupy or Sustainable Forestry although if you didn't live in BC during the 90s you probably don't remember that one. This is a fake movement designed to remove lands and resources that actually belong to all of us. The native people are just being used as a stepping stone.

The true native relationship to the land is that nobody owns the earth and that's why they used to kill each other with impunity for trespassing on tribal lands.

Remember the sacred wheel.

Love to read the whole thread and comment further but my computer time for the day has run up so have a Merry Christmas anyway!
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Harper wasn't around when this shit happened. He didn't do it.

I don't like the bill they are trying to pass. Land grabs are never good wothout consulting anybody. Soon they will be doing it to the rest of us.

Alot of the bands got money over the school issue's here in BC. Some of the children of the parents that were in the schools also got money because they themselves were affected by their parents behavior after the fact. Some of these kids got 100k.

Some of the other bands that got money were corupt and the money never got to where it was supposed to go. Criminals on all levels including the band leaders themselves. Criminals are everywhere in every level of society. Give people in power money that are in a position of power and they always abuse it.

The government should be cutting checks to the individuals themselves not the bands.

Some of these people that got payments did well with the money. Others blew it on drugs and booze and new vehicles that they smashed up after they got drunk. Its a vicious circle. They are no different than anybody else I guess. You give lots of money to drug addicts and alcoholics and it gets pissed away. Their money their right to do with it what they want but it does not help their cause.

Alot of the money given to the bands over the years has been squandered by band members.How shall that problem be addressed. They wanted self government and got it and now their own people are screwing them.
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Comment posted above:

"Alot of the money given to the bands over the years has been squandered by band members. How shall that problem be addressed. They wanted self government and got it and now their own people are screwing them."

As I have pointed out more than once in this Thread, this comment reflects the common misconceptions and misunderstandings of the Canadian public, who think the First Nations peoples are self-governing and who don't know anything about what THE INDIAN ACT actually says.

They parrot the lies of the Canadian media:

Clueless on GLP
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Another history lesson, another death - this time of a Quebec police officer (SQ) - (Murdered by Friendly Fire, perhaps?)








The Oka Crisis was a land dispute between a group of Mohawk people and the town of Oka, Quebec, Canada, which began on July 11, 1990 and lasted until September 26, 1990. One person died as a result, SQ Corporal Marcel Lemay.

The dispute was the first well-publicized violent conflict between First Nations and the Canadian government in the late 20th century.

The crisis developed from a local dispute between the town of Oka and the Mohawk community of Kanesatake. The town of Oka was developing plans to expand a golf course and residential development onto land which had traditionally been used by the Mohawk. It included pineland and a burial ground, marked by standing tombstones of their ancestors. The Mohawks had filed a land claim for the sacred grove and burial ground near Kanesatake, but their claim had been rejected in 1986.

The immediate cause of the crisis was the 1989 announcement by the mayor of Oka, Jean Ouellette, that the remainder of the pines would be cleared to expand the private, members-only golf club course to eighteen holes. In addition, he had approved development of sixty luxury condominiums in a section of the pines. As the Office of Native Claims had rejected the Mohawk claim on the land three years earlier, his office did not consult the Mohawk on the plans. No environmental or historic preservation review was undertaken. Not all the people in Oka approved of the plans, but opponents found the mayor's office unwilling to discuss them.

As a protest against a court decision to allow the golf course construction to proceed, some members of the Mohawk community erected a barricade blocking access to the area. Mayor Ouellette demanded compliance with the court order, but the protesters refused.

Quebec's Ministry of Native Affairs John Ciaccia wrote a letter of support for the natives, stating that "these people have seen their lands disappear without having been consulted or compensated, and that, in my opinion, is unfair and unjust, especially over a golf course."

On July 11, the mayor asked the Sûreté du Québec (SQ), Quebec's provincial police force, to intervene with the Mohawk protest. He claimed there had been criminal activity at the barricade.

The Mohawk people, in accordance with the Constitution of the Iroquois Confederacy, asked the women, the caretakers of the land and "progenitors of the nation", whether or not the arsenal which the warriors had amassed should remain. The women of the Mohawk Nation decided that the weapons should only be used if the SQ fired on the barricade and to use them as defensively as possible.

A police emergency response team swiftly attacked the barricade by deploying tear gas canisters and flash bang grenades in an attempt to create confusion in the Mohawk ranks. It is unclear whether the police or Mohawks opened fire with gunshots first, but after a 15-minute gun battle, the police fell back, abandoning six cruisers and a bulldozer. The police's tear gas blew back at them.

Although an initial account reported that 31-year-old SQ Corporal Marcel Lemay had been shot in the face during the firefight, a later inquest determined that the bullet which struck and eventually killed him, impacted on his "left side below the armpit, an area not covered by [his] bullet-proof vest".

Then the Canadian army arrived.

On August 20, a company of the Quebec-based Royal 22nd Regiment, (known as the "Van Doos," an Anglicized pronunciation of the French "Vingt-deux," or number 22) led by Major Alain Tremblay, took over three barricades and arrived at the final blockade leading to the disputed area, and reduced the size, from 1.5 kilometers to 5 meters, of a no man's land originally implemented by the Sûreté du Québec to the barricade at the Pines. Additional troops and mechanized equipment mobilized at staging areas around Montreal, while reconnaissance aircraft staged air photo missions over Mohawk territory to gather intelligence. Despite high tensions between military and native forces, no shots were exchanged.

On August 29, at the Mercier Bridge blockade, the Mohawks negotiated an end to their protest with Lieutenant-Colonel Robin Gagnon, the 'Van Doo' commander responsible for monitoring the blockades along the south shore of the St. Lawrence River west of Montreal. This action further resulted in the resolution of the original siege on the Kahnawake reserve.

Mohawks at Oka, however, felt betrayed at the loss of their most effective bargaining chip in the Mercier Bridge: once traffic began flowing again, the Quebec government rejected further negotiations pursuant to their original dispute concerning the Oka golf course expansion. September 25 witnessed the final engagement of the crisis: a Mohawk warrior walked around the perimeter of the blockade area with a long stick, setting off flares that had been originally installed by the Canadian Forces to alert them to individuals fleeing the area. The army turned a water hose on this man, but it lacked enough pressure to disperse the crowd surrounding him. This crowd taunted the soldiers and began throwing water balloons at them, but the incident did not escalate further.

The following day the Mohawks laid down their arms, dismantled their guns and threw them in a fire, ceremonially burning tobacco and returning to the reserve. Many, however, were detained by the Canadian Forces and arrested by the SQ.

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Chief Theresa Spence interviewed in Attawapiskat by Member of Parliament Charlie Angus, ONE YEAR AGO - November 2011... This is what her community looks like.

The Canadian government moved in some mobile homes after the crisis last winter, but basic infrastructure is still incomplete for many, many people.

Third World Conditions, from Canada to its Aboriginals:

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Comment posted above:

"Alot of the money given to the bands over the years has been squandered by band members. How shall that problem be addressed. They wanted self government and got it and now their own people are screwing them."

As I have pointed out more than once in this Thread, this comment reflects the common misconceptions and misunderstandings of the Canadian public, who think the First Nations peoples are self-governing and who don't know anything about what THE INDIAN ACT actually says.

They parrot the lies of the Canadian media:

:Clueless on GLP:
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Not so fast. This has taken place. I have seen it first hand in the small town where I live. Band members gaining land and building big homes and collecting and paying themselves big paychecks. In this town they finally had an internal audit and everybody concerned quit but never lost their holdings. The chiefs and council members always do better than the whole.

This may or may not be an isolated incident. I have heard this complaint by other members of other bands in the area. We have quite a few in the Okanogan and area.

I have dealings with these people as I have leased their lands for hay crops and bought alot of livestock over the years from them.

They go to their own bands for help to build or for land to build on and get nowhere. Some have left their roots and moved on as Canadians and done better for themselves.

Alot of Council members here over the years ended up with the value lands along the lakes that they now lease out long term and people build lakeshore homes and resorts on the leased land. They are getting richer and then there's the ones that live on the other side of the road is squaller. How does that work...?

Its the younger generations coming up now that are the most at risk. Unless they inherit their parents holdings it does not seem like the rest of them have a future.
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With great fanfare, the Canadian government announced the arrival of 22 modular homes in February 2012. These were set up, with plumbing and electricity, over the summer. The ground was frozen when they arrived, so the community went through the whole winter 2011-2012 without any improvement to the housing problem.

As of September 2012, 50 people are still living in the long construction camp trailer shown in the above video.

"There remain dozens of families and individuals living in unsafe conditions at Attawapiskat. The First Nation has requested Canada’s assistance, through the Department of Aboriginal Affairs, in securing safe housing for all its members, in the short term, and in the long term”.

"...There are also signs that the problems faced in Attawapiskat will continue. An application to help by financing the construction of thirty homes in Attawapiskat was not approved because the Minister of Aboriginal Affairs, John Duncan has refused to sign off on an agreement between Attawapiskat and Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation."

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Attawapiskat, June 2012

Groundbreaking of the community's first school, after 12 years of lobbying...

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Comment posted above:

"Alot of the money given to the bands over the years has been squandered by band members. How shall that problem be addressed. They wanted self government and got it and now their own people are screwing them."

As I have pointed out more than once in this Thread, this comment reflects the common misconceptions and misunderstandings of the Canadian public, who think the First Nations peoples are self-governing and who don't know anything about what THE INDIAN ACT actually says.

They parrot the lies of the Canadian media:

Clueless on GLP
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Not so fast. This has taken place. I have seen it first hand in the small town where I live. Band members gaining land and building big homes and collecting and paying themselves big paychecks. In this town they finally had an internal audit and everybody concerned quit but never lost their holdings. The chiefs and council members always do better than the whole.

This may or may not be an isolated incident. I have heard this complaint by other members of other bands in the area. We have quite a few in the Okanogan and area.

I have dealings with these people as I have leased their lands for hay crops and bought alot of livestock over the years from them.

They go to their own bands for help to build or for land to build on and get nowhere. Some have left their roots and moved on as Canadians and done better for themselves.

Alot of Council members here over the years ended up with the value lands along the lakes that they now lease out long term and people build lakeshore homes and resorts on the leased land. They are getting richer and then there's the ones that live on the other side of the road is squaller. How does that work...?

Its the younger generations coming up now that are the most at risk. Unless they inherit their parents holdings it does not seem like the rest of them have a future.
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I seem to remember your exact comment appearing on the CBC forums last year during the Attawapiskat crisis. The "leased their lands for hay crops" stuck in my mind at the time. And so here you are again!

I pointed out the bigger picture to someone else earlier on this thread last night. I will repeat it for you. I am sure you have an axe to grind, and have passed around your diatribe many times, for whatever reason -- but for those who are interested in the issues, the explanation of corruption on the Reserves is not hard to understand.

As the system now operates, First Nations peoples are at each other's throats, with no opportunity to raise themselves up by their own hard work and enterprise... They can only scramble for handouts, 'authority' positions on the Band Council, and then double-cross each other, as manipulated by the federal government. Divide and conquer has been Canada's game for over a hundred years.

Under the Indian Act, these people cannot even be recognized legally to enter into a contract, such as a business loan.

So you have the phenomenon of the crab pot.... As soon as one of them starts climbing out of the trap, the others claw him back down again.

Also, according to First Nations advocate Kevin Annett, certain families on the Reserves escaped having their children sent to those Residential Schools by maintaining silence on certain issues, bribery, toadyism, informing on others, etc.

The Canadian government thus split the Aboriginal communities into two classes, opposed to one another... There are the haves, and the have-nots.

You correctly observed those living in squalor right across from the well-to-do.

Divide and conquer.

And control.

When the Indian Act is thrown out, and true self-government is given to First Nations Peoples, the whole playing field will level out.

Thanks for your comment, whatever your motives are.
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Sorry not me leaving comments on CBC. Never have. Alot of people lease lands around here from the bands. In fact thousands of acres are leased for all sorts of crops and they get paided very well. There are waiting lists to lease land from the bands. I myself do not anymore. Downsized as with all the problems in the Cattle industry and the packing houses controlling the prices. By the time the work was done and bills paid was lucky to break even.

Don't be so quick to jump to conclusions about anybody. I'm on their side. Their are major issue's and nobody should have to live like that but they do have some internal issue's to work out. I hope they figure things out for themselves. I hope the government steps up to the plate and does the right thing.

I have several Native Freinds myself that I have shared a good many meal with and that have helped me and I have helped them.
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Sorry not me leaving comments on CBC. Never have. Alot of people lease lands around here from the bands. In fact thousands of acres are leased for all sorts of crops and they get paided very well. There are waiting lists to lease land from the bands. I myself do not anymore. Downsized as with all the problems in the Cattle industry and the packing houses controlling the prices. By the time the work was done and bills paid was lucky to break even.

Don't be so quick to jump to conclusions about anybody. I'm on their side. Their are major issue's and nobody should have to live like that but they do have some internal issue's to work out. I hope they figure things out for themselves. I hope the government steps up to the plate and does the right thing.

I have several Native Freinds myself that I have shared a good many meal with and that have helped me and I have helped them.
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Fair enough. Must have been somebody else. Thanks.
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TWENTY YEARS AFTER ELIJAH HARPER,

HAD HIS OWN EAGLE FEATHER.

... TODAY CHIEF THERESA SPENCE IS ON A HUNGER STRIKE,

CLUTCHING ANOTHER EAGLE FEATHER.


To know the significance of the Eagle Feather, we have to go back to 1990 and how one First Nations leader, a member of the Manitoba Provincial Parliament named Elijah Harper, stopped the Canadian government in its tracks.

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The Native peoples of Canada have always played a vital role in its history--from Native Leaders like Tecumseh who defended Canada against the U.S. in the War of 1812 to the revolutionary Métis leader Louis Riel who is recognized as the Father of Manitoba.

In modern Canadian history, Elijah Harper made his point by quietly saying, "No" in the Manitoba legislature to the Meech Lake Accord which would have recognized Quebec as a "distinct society" but completely ignored any mention of the First Nations peoples.

The debate needed unanimous consent in the Manitoba Legislature.

The Meech Lake Accord was intended to provide a new framework for Canadian Federalism.

Specifically, the Meech Lake Accord was a set of failed amendments to the Constitution of Canada negotiated in 1987 by Prime Minister Brian Mulroney and nine provincial premiers, including Premier of Quebec Robert Bourassa.

It was intended to persuade the government of the Province of Quebec to endorse the 1982 Canadian Constitution and increase support in Quebec for remaining within Canada. However, its rejection had the opposite effect of energizing support for Quebec sovereignty.

For a generation who may not be aware of the political machinations that failed to bring Quebec into the Canadian Constitution but who are interested - In brief, an accord was struck between all Premiers and brokered by then Prime Minister Brian Mulroney that would have enticed Quebec to adopt and be governed by the Canadian Constitution. It included a number of provisions including the recognition of Quebec as a " Distinct Society " within Canada.

But First Nations Peoples were entirely omitted from legal standing in the agreement. They were told, their concerns would be addressed at sometime in the future!

Thanks to Elijah Harper, who later said the Prime Minister tried to buy his vote, Meech Lake went down in flames.

Ultimately, a deal was signed anyway, but then the Premier of Newfoundland changed his mind and withheld a vote in his Legislature.

The deal failed, leaving Quebec out of the Canadian Constitution.

It has never been reintroduced.

After the defeat of the Meech Lake Accord, a Quebec pro-independence political party, the Bloc Québécois, was created.
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Meech Lake Elija

Elijah could not make the wheelers and dealers from Prime Minister Mulroney's Office understand he was not there to deal, just to listen out of politeness. They could not comprehend why he would not be bought when everyone else they had ever encountered was buyable.

But the PMO delegation did not know that, nearly 10 years ago, Elijah Harper had been one of the Canadian chiefs who had gone to London to ask the Queen to make sure aboriginals were as fairly treated in the constitution as those who dared to call themselves the "founding" races of Canada.

They did not know he had refused his invitation to attend the signing ceremony for the Constitution when the Queen came to Ottawa in 1982.

They did not know he has been waiting 10 years for this moment.

They thought he was in this for the short run.

Still, they did wear him down, and Elijah Harper is convinced if it weren't for the EAGLE FEATHER, he might not have lasted.

His older brother, Saul, a trapper and a dedicated follower of the traditional ways, felt he was being told to walk to a clearing near Red Sucker Lake. He got there, and the EAGLE FEATHER was lying in the middle of it.

Saul Harper gave it to Darryl Harper, a younger brother, and Darryl immediately brought it down to Winnipeg where he gave it to Elijah.

When Elijah Harper rose to speak against the accord in the legislature, he was carefully holding the EAGLE FEATHER. He spoke and then sat to a standing ovation, gently placing the feather in his pocket.

Meech Lake Elija


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Chief Theresa Spence interviewed in Attawapiskat by Member of Parliament Charlie Angus, ONE YEAR AGO - November 2011... This is what her community looks like.

The Canadian government moved in some mobile homes after the crisis last winter, but basic infrastructure is still incomplete for many, many people.

Third World Conditions, from Canada to its Aboriginals:


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I can't afford my own house, why the fuck should they get a free one?

There are regular public that are homeless and hungry too.

If you don't like living on the reserve then move!!

NO MORE FREE HAND OUTS!!
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OKA was more than 20 years ago, but the kids who saw their families in this crisis, and their relatives put in jail, are a new generation.

And perhaps the Canadian government is just waiting to give them their turn.

Prime Minister Harper is not reaching out to help, he dishes out insults instead.

And the programmed Canadians are pretty confused, as you can tell from reactions to this Thread.

As for the bureaucrats in power, they are tired of having to deal with First Nations Peoples who are always questioning their "environmental reports" everytime the government and big global corporations are planning to make another poisonous eyesore, out there in the boonies.

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Chief Theresa Spence interviewed in Attawapiskat by Member of Parliament Charlie Angus, ONE YEAR AGO - November 2011... This is what her community looks like.

The Canadian government moved in some mobile homes after the crisis last winter, but basic infrastructure is still incomplete for many, many people.

Third World Conditions, from Canada to its Aboriginals:


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I can't afford my own house, why the fuck should they get a free one?

There are regular public that are homeless and hungry too.

If you don't like living on the reserve then move!!

NO MORE FREE HAND OUTS!!
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Well, let me put it this way. You can't afford your own house because the value of it is so vastly inflated... because the bank owns you body and soul... because the real estate system is a scam, run by criminals.... and their first crime was stealing the land from the First Nations Aboriginals.
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Its actualy over 22% French get your facts straight.
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yes maybe, but 10% of them french people now live in english towns & no longer speak the french language inside their homes... they just have the french surname

the 12% I was talking about live in french towns (most in quebec city itself) & still speak french inside their own homes ... & also these people would prefer the whole world be french. They think they are better then all others of the world who are not pure french & they also denounce anything that is not pure french as not "good enough"
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See how much uneducated you are ?? French not only live in Quebec but everywhere in canada, im french and we still only talk French at home..1/3 of NB is French did you know that ? i bet you didnt eh. And i quebec since i am close i can affirme you that 99% talk French and not only in the city of quebec but in the whole province...Now its time to get more educated before posting stupidities like these ty.
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I live on montreal west island.

most people who live here cant even speak french.
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Well if you live in Montreal your not a 100% Canadian either your mom or dad is a foregner, i have 2 brothers living in Montreal both speak french and my ex wife is from quebec all her family is speacks French
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:Chief Spence:
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Well if shes on a hunger strike it could last years check how fat she is..
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Another history lesson, another death - this time of a Quebec police officer (SQ) - (Murdered by Friendly Fire, perhaps?)








The Oka Crisis was a land dispute between a group of Mohawk people and the town of Oka, Quebec, Canada, which began on July 11, 1990 and lasted until September 26, 1990. One person died as a result, SQ Corporal Marcel Lemay.

The dispute was the first well-publicized violent conflict between First Nations and the Canadian government in the late 20th century.

The crisis developed from a local dispute between the town of Oka and the Mohawk community of Kanesatake. The town of Oka was developing plans to expand a golf course and residential development onto land which had traditionally been used by the Mohawk. It included pineland and a burial ground, marked by standing tombstones of their ancestors. The Mohawks had filed a land claim for the sacred grove and burial ground near Kanesatake, but their claim had been rejected in 1986.

The immediate cause of the crisis was the 1989 announcement by the mayor of Oka, Jean Ouellette, that the remainder of the pines would be cleared to expand the private, members-only golf club course to eighteen holes. In addition, he had approved development of sixty luxury condominiums in a section of the pines. As the Office of Native Claims had rejected the Mohawk claim on the land three years earlier, his office did not consult the Mohawk on the plans. No environmental or historic preservation review was undertaken. Not all the people in Oka approved of the plans, but opponents found the mayor's office unwilling to discuss them.

As a protest against a court decision to allow the golf course construction to proceed, some members of the Mohawk community erected a barricade blocking access to the area. Mayor Ouellette demanded compliance with the court order, but the protesters refused.

Quebec's Ministry of Native Affairs John Ciaccia wrote a letter of support for the natives, stating that "these people have seen their lands disappear without having been consulted or compensated, and that, in my opinion, is unfair and unjust, especially over a golf course."

On July 11, the mayor asked the Sûreté du Québec (SQ), Quebec's provincial police force, to intervene with the Mohawk protest. He claimed there had been criminal activity at the barricade.

The Mohawk people, in accordance with the Constitution of the Iroquois Confederacy, asked the women, the caretakers of the land and "progenitors of the nation", whether or not the arsenal which the warriors had amassed should remain. The women of the Mohawk Nation decided that the weapons should only be used if the SQ fired on the barricade and to use them as defensively as possible.

A police emergency response team swiftly attacked the barricade by deploying tear gas canisters and flash bang grenades in an attempt to create confusion in the Mohawk ranks. It is unclear whether the police or Mohawks opened fire with gunshots first, but after a 15-minute gun battle, the police fell back, abandoning six cruisers and a bulldozer. The police's tear gas blew back at them.

Although an initial account reported that 31-year-old SQ Corporal Marcel Lemay had been shot in the face during the firefight, a later inquest determined that the bullet which struck and eventually killed him, impacted on his "left side below the armpit, an area not covered by [his] bullet-proof vest".

Then the Canadian army arrived.

On August 20, a company of the Quebec-based Royal 22nd Regiment, (known as the "Van Doos," an Anglicized pronunciation of the French "Vingt-deux," or number 22) led by Major Alain Tremblay, took over three barricades and arrived at the final blockade leading to the disputed area, and reduced the size, from 1.5 kilometers to 5 meters, of a no man's land originally implemented by the Sûreté du Québec to the barricade at the Pines. Additional troops and mechanized equipment mobilized at staging areas around Montreal, while reconnaissance aircraft staged air photo missions over Mohawk territory to gather intelligence. Despite high tensions between military and native forces, no shots were exchanged.

On August 29, at the Mercier Bridge blockade, the Mohawks negotiated an end to their protest with Lieutenant-Colonel Robin Gagnon, the 'Van Doo' commander responsible for monitoring the blockades along the south shore of the St. Lawrence River west of Montreal. This action further resulted in the resolution of the original siege on the Kahnawake reserve.

Mohawks at Oka, however, felt betrayed at the loss of their most effective bargaining chip in the Mercier Bridge: once traffic began flowing again, the Quebec government rejected further negotiations pursuant to their original dispute concerning the Oka golf course expansion. September 25 witnessed the final engagement of the crisis: a Mohawk warrior walked around the perimeter of the blockade area with a long stick, setting off flares that had been originally installed by the Canadian Forces to alert them to individuals fleeing the area. The army turned a water hose on this man, but it lacked enough pressure to disperse the crowd surrounding him. This crowd taunted the soldiers and began throwing water balloons at them, but the incident did not escalate further.

The following day the Mohawks laid down their arms, dismantled their guns and threw them in a fire, ceremonially burning tobacco and returning to the reserve. Many, however, were detained by the Canadian Forces and arrested by the SQ.

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[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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wow so many Indians killed by US CANADIANS eh way to try to get sypmathie from US BAD CANADIANS.The thing is people are tired of hearing each one of you crying for nothing , tired of the abuse we middle class payers have pay to make you live. I have never seen an Indian child underweight, people are dying from hunger and are homless all over Canada and you guys cry ?? GET A LIFE..GO TO WORK like we do no more Gravy for you.
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What I have gleaned here is that we have a band that within its lands/rez there is the worlds largest Diamond mine,these pepole are being decimated to take it from them,this is nothing but Greed at work!These people are being screwed big time!I intend to get to the bottom of this problem.


Idle No More......................................sheep
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Thank you for one of the most fascinating documentaries I have ever watched!!! Yes, I sat through all 1 hour+ of it.

While some may say that discussion of the earliest European Ice Age settlement of the Americas is "off topic", I would point out that it grounds for commonality and fellow feeling between Native and Euro-heritage peoples.

The documentary is well worth watching.

For those of us who are of primarily Euro-heritage ancestry, it points out that our own ancestors were shamanic hunter-gatherers with much more in common with, than different from, Native Americans.

It a a very human story, our combined human story.
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I will watch it, and you have made a good point. We are together in this, more than we know!
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NOBODY CARES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ALL WE WHITEY's CARE ABOUT IS....

LOW TAXES
MORE GUNS

The More you crap on Harper, the more we wanna Crap on you.


Now FUCK OFF

thx
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In a Time of Universal Deceit, Telling the Truth is a Revolutionary Act - George Orwell

Rachel Maddow is HOT!!! - Seriously I'd hit it.

A VOTE FOR JUSTIN TRUDEAU IN 2015, WOULD BE THE MOST COWARDLY & IRRESPONSIBLE THING A CANADIAN CITIZEN COULD DO TO THEIR OWN PEOPLE. GUN GRABBERS ARE THE COMMON ENEMY OF ALL PEOPLE.

GUN CONTROL HAS RESULTED IN THE SLAUGHTER OF 262 MILLION CITIZENS BY THEIR GOVERNMENTS OVER THE PAST 100 YEARS.

THE LIBERAL PARTY OF CANADA & THE NDP ENDORSE GUN CONTROL, AN ESSENTIAL POLICY OF HITLER, STALIN, MAO, POL POT, EDI AMIN, QADDAFI, SADDAM, ASSAD, & EVERY OTHER TYRANNICAL GOVERNMENT THIS PAST CENTURY.

CANADIANS MUST NEVER FORGET THE BETRAYAL OF BILLS C-68 & C-17. WE MUST NOT REST UNTIL THEY ARE FULLY REPEALED.

C-19 WAS A GOOD START......BUT JUST A START. GET OFF YOUR COLLECTIVE ASSES AND MAKE AN IMPACT. WE HAVE 26 MONTHS.

I, THEE BOB, SWEAR ON THE ALTER OF GOD TO FIGHT ALL FORMS OF CANADIAN TYRANNY AND SAVE MY COUNTRY FROM THE EVILS OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER. I WILL NEVER HAND IN MY GUNS. EVER. I AM A FREE MAN, I WILL NOT BE THE BITCH OF THE SOCIALIST ESTABLISHMENT. LEAVE ME ALONE.
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According to Canadian law, "criminal negligence" which results in death falls under the crime category of manslaughter.

And, in turn, manslaughter is a category of homocide, as strictly defined below:

"...when the homicide was the result of an act or a failure to act that showed wanton or reckless disregard for the lives of others. An act is generally considered negligent if a reasonable person would have foreseen that the action would endanger a life. A failure to act can only be considered negligence if a person had a duty imposed by law to act."

Wouldn't it be strange to discover that Prime Minister Stephen Harper is not a reasonable person?

And as the leader of Canada, does he not have "a duty imposed by law to act?"

As the initial statement made by Chief Theresa Spence in Ottawa made it clear that she is "willing to die" in order to obtain Harper's personal involvement in the revamping of how Canada abides by the treaties with First Nations peoples, and to which the British Crown is also obligated... we may witness a tragedy here.

Prime Minister Brian Mulroney thought he could buy off Elijah Harper 20 years ago. But Elijah Harper wasn't bluffing.

The Meech Lake Accords represented years of negotiations by "White Canada." Their plans went down the toilet.

Theresa Spence is not going to back down either.

GOODBYE CANADA - The country will end up in the toilet, if she dies.

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